hahahah how SE got balls and i love it (happy thread please)

Jump can't be used strategically. How bout a Boss that slams into the ground creating a quake like effect where the ground is torn apart. A. you could jump to avoid a fissure or. B. you stand there and take huge damage.

How bout fighting another boss. you do enough damage to him that he slumps down. A damage dealer could take a running start, jump, and slam their weapon into the bosses head.

So why are we agains jumping? Sounds like you have no imaginations or no experience outside FFXI

the word troll is derived from "stroll".... you know, i do complain a lot, but the amount of care the team puts forth makes me worry about it... mostly i complain at my peers.... it is all you fault =p

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So why are we agains jumping? Sounds like you have no imaginations or no experience outside FFXI

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People need to lay off this logic -- Most MMOs with jump you can't do platforming or avoid attacks etc etc. Only A FEW MMOs actually put jump to use. You still get stuck in geometry with jumps in a lot of MMOs which means all it is is an animation and nothing more. You can jump up and over a boss but guess what? it will still hit you even while you're jumping.

So people don't lack imagination or have limited MMO experience -- people with real MMO experience knows it has an actual use in very few MMOs. It really can't be used strategically unless they include it into battle mechanics.

If you want a jump oriented battle system:

http://www.falcom.co.jp/ys_portal/index.html

/huh people doubting jump: colision detection revamp is superficiAL, caplock sticky. invisible walls in xiv are called cliffs. get wit prog. jump is ff tradition, just keep it regular & we're good. addition > omission & ys? i forget, which button jumped? only played nes

Who's to say they aren't adding it into the battle mechanics? Have you got information the rest of us don't know?

The thread has been derailed into a jump vs no jump argument and i gave at least 2 ways on how they could add it. They could even steal ideas from SP games if they wanted to. Jumping can be fun, it can add strategy but all anyone is focused on is whether or not people are gonna be bunny hopping. Get over it. Play other games and see other ppls ideas on what makes games fun.

I don't care whther they add it or not. I am not going to go to another game because they have or haven't added jump. But just like collision detection could add strategy, so could jump.

i miss squaresoft logo, but xiv team gets more praise when patch takes days

ARE WE SPOSED TO JUST woops edamn stick, are we supposed to pretend to have squareenix testi-envi to keep thread on track? im confused

my little bro and i were talking and he thinks game needs something like assassins creed. i wouldnt mind getting pushed around for the sake of awesome, how bout you? sorry its hard to just be all like 'ffxiv is leet for this, etcetcetc' if that were the case id be playing right now. i mean the game is good, but i can only grind behests so much before my eyeballs start to hurt & i begin wonddering what dimension my animations went to.. but im totally happy... seriously.

I can't tell what that guy is saying BUT HAPPY YEAH

=| jump should be ability like everything elsse... it just makes sense that way. need martial artist disciple. tumble jump dodge etc. think RPG! wow jump is blatant departure from RPG mechanic all around, probably why no1 likes iddea... sory im typing on stick keys & ps3 interface randomly ddeletes my entire paragraph, so dontcaremuch...HAPPY

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=| jump should be ability like everything elsse... it just makes sense that way. need martial artist disciple. tumble jump dodge etc. think RPG! wow jump is blatant departure from RPG mechanic all around, probably why no1 likes iddea... sory im typing on stick keys & ps3 interface randomly ddeletes my entire paragraph, so dontcaremuch...HAPPY

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You need special training to be able to jump? I must be a natural born martial arts expert and/or ninja then.

wouldn't exactly be 'special' but yeah, you got it. we need 'special training' (as you put it) to run faster than normal, so makes sense for jump, but obviously should be level 1 action... think of the system as is, martial art could be innate, but still.. point being the action bar is devoted to actions (devoted) & the ps3 controller is short on buttons AS IS... try gamepad much? role playing games have a surplus of actions, confirm cancel are also devoted functions... we're running out of space... fat people don't really jump, and some people are clumbsy.. like me with words. did i mention its a role playing game? the whole game genre is built upon experience points adding up to equate your skillz..... jump button is like a slap in the face to those in the know. the correct favorable addition is a jump ability associated with a class, even if that class is available from th get go without distinction (martial).

Jumping is not a special ability. It's something every person is born with and can learn, unless disabled. It's like saying running/walking should be a class skill. It doesn't make sense.

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Jumping is not a special ability. It's something every person is born with and can learn, unless disabled. It's like saying running/walking should be a class skill. It doesn't make sense.

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Quickstride is a skill you learn to run super fast. I guess all class should have a move-fast skill that they learn at rank 1, amirite? I mean, who doesn't know how to sprint; you basically sprint once you are born; however, at least I did.

anyway. the final fantasy series have had jumping in their cgi's for quite some time. Hell, tidus and co were sliding along support beams like they were surfing it in one scene. Lightning jumped huge distances only to land safely. Hell, she bounced off walls slaying guards in a train in the first chapter. Versus 13 has the guy teleporting in and out slashing enemies up the side of the building.

Add that shit to your gameplay already.

I could understand in the past we had hardware limitations. But we see this sort of stuff in other games.

the point about jumping being something everyone can do is true, im not saying we shoul dhave to work to get it, however there is too much opprotunity to add something VERY special alongside jumping.. its funy that my post got the reply about being a natural born martial artist/ninja... funny because it is true! picking a discipline in the character creation screen is kind of a drag (but doesnt need to go in my mind by necessity)... what i think would be ideal is your first class is martial & everyone has it. Why just add jump when you can make jump a level 1 martial skill? The more you jump the more martial SP & eventually you unlock advanced abilities... its an opprotunity to NOT just do what everyone 3expects and provide a more engrosing gameplay mechanic to an already worn out function. there is no denying the fact that a lot of people would rather not jump, but to convince them you must make it special & i think what i'm proposing is pretty much leet.

my ps3 only lets me type so much, so sorry multi-posting... i don't know why, but a lot of mmo players seem to be deprived. enjoy a casual game of D&D, see the light, you'll probably agree with me. the part of the game that keeps us coming back is the part that rewards us for doing. there is no reason not to apply this everywhere possible, in fact it would be a damn shame not to. Honestly, what is it about me saying it that turns people off? Admit it! why else would you spend your time grinding to the cap? ITs rewarding, but plain-ol-jump is the pitts... jump with a cause a reason and method... thats what you really want, thats why wow noobs wont stop... they are searchintg for something they'll never find... depth of pounce got left behind

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Jumping is not a special ability. It's something every person is born with and can learn, unless disabled. It's like saying running/walking should be a class skill. It doesn't make sense.

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Pretty sure in the FF universe Jump is looked more towards the Dragoon/Dragon Knight ability rather than the 'natural function' which is the 'should be a skill' argument is basically boiled down to -- the natural jump were always automated jumps anyway.

& if you don't know how to play D&D, rejoice! I'm telling you. Forget the books, heck forget the dice if uo have to! Just sit down with friends and imagine your fantasy, if your into that, you should play god first but take turns being god, god just flips a coin & may choose to talktalktalk (gods character can play too). set limits, like 3 special skills to start, one extra per level. Things anyone can do are implied but don't forget attributes (the six in XIV are fine) be fair to npcs, random attribtes are fine! challenge the characters. use common sense, attributs apply to everything, always use coin/dice to determine success/failure then again for effect (how well you fail/win),you wish to Jump? how far? FLip (sucess!) flip again (but not far enough) "Jump halfway to you doom!" you really only need to write down some numbers & skills, dnd rules are anti-play-NOW. close your eyes, its a creative exercize!

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Jumping is not a special ability... It doesn't make sense.

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& I suppose you think a 'jump button' isn't special at all.. Now you're not making any sense! How about esc/cancel cancel spells & jump gets a facelift? You're not seeing my idea here.. Why add a special jump button, when martial arts can replace physical level? LEvel one martial art is JUMP! obviously, whatelse would it be? the awesome is acquiring MORE & various kinds of bodily functions, like TUMBLE, HIGH JUMP, SNEAK, HIDE, heck maybe CLIMB & so on... it would really just be an instant fun animation/interaction class for everyone to enjoy in a similar fasion to skills (disciplines)... get it? ask questions if not. Why just go through the motions when you can take advantage and produce something better? thats what SE wants, thats what we all want! we want people to come to our game, just having what everyone else has isn't enough, you have to innovate!

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& I suppose you think a 'jump button' isn't special at all.. Now you're not making any sense! How about esc/cancel cancel spells & jump gets a facelift? You're not seeing my idea here.. Why add a special jump button, when martial arts can replace physical level? LEvel one martial art is JUMP! obviously, whatelse would it be? the awesome is acquiring MORE & various kinds of bodily functions, like TUMBLE, HIGH JUMP, heck maybe CLIMB... it would really just be an instant fun animation/interaction class for everyone to enjoy in a similar fasion to skills (disciplines)... get it? ask questions if not. Why just go through the motions when you can take advantage and produce something better? thats what SE wants, thats what we all want! we want people to come to our game, just having what everyone else has isn't enough, you have to innovate!

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You don't give buttons to "special" moves that are used rarely, you give buttons to the most common moves and actions. Since, you know, they're the ones that are accessed most frequently (and usually at a moment's notice).

If we followed your design, you'd have to type out a combo on your keyboard/controller to confirm an action, but self-cast Shock Spikes would have it's own button on the controller.

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First Jumping, Next Swimming!! Bring it on!

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Yay!!!! But wait? Does swimming ADD anything significant to the current gameplay? Oh no!! It probably wouldn't!! Swimming is baaaaad! *gasp!* *flails around*

*cough* No but really I'd love to see swimming content but just like jumping I won't expect it until a dev confirms it, this being SE and considering how conservative they can be about such things. Still it would add a lot to the immersion factor of this being a world and not just a game.

I've got an idea for Randis' next project...
draw a bunch of horses....
Name them "Jump" and "Auction House" and "Gear Swap" (The list could go on and on)

The kicker is that the horses are dead....

Now draw in a bunch of Roegadyn beating the horses with no mercy....

Have a nice day

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You don't give buttons to "special" moves that are used rarely, you give buttons to the most common moves and actions. Since, you know, they're the ones that are accessed most frequently (and usually at a moment's notice).

If we followed your design, you'd have to type out a combo on your keyboard/controller to confirm an action, but self-cast Shock Spikes would have it's own button on the controller.

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you don't know what words mean! According to you, jump is something we're already using and quite frequently, as if the addition of a seperate jump button was something we've all been working around in desperation... There is no reason to jump & no one in their right mind is jumping all over the place IRL. MY way is simple, put jump on the action bar, most of you play with keyboards so you'd just be pressing a number, any number 1-0. Gosh! The action bar is going to change, thats already been said. IWhat exactly are you proposing in contrast with my idea, other than denial?

jumping up/down obsticals is a physical stupidity. have you ever jumped down a hill? perhaps you've tried jumping up a hill? DERP! Do you fancy self inflicted bodily harm? Jump is for fun/effect/gaps/grasp thats right grasp! to reach with your hands what was too high before. no one jumps like you think they do... but if it had to be mapped to a button, id say the passive/active mode switch is best.

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you don't know what words mean! According to you, jump is something we're already using and quite frequently, as if the addition of a seperate jump button was something we've all been working around in desperation... There is no reason to jump & no one in their right mind is jumping all over the place IRL. MY way is simple, put jump on the action bar, most of you play with keyboards so you'd just be pressing a number, any number 1-0. Gosh! The action bar is going to change, thats already been said. IWhat exactly are you proposing in contrast with my idea, other than denial?

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No duh there's no button for a feature that hasn't been implemented yet. Do you even take a moment to read over what you write, or do you just start typing whatever stupid thing comes to mind and hit the "Post Reply" button as soon as you're done? People are asking for jump because it gives a third dimension to the game, which opens up a lot of possibilities in terms of combat and exploration. There is absolutely no reason why a common, innate action that each character comes with should be on the action bar. It's not tied to classes. You don't see emotes on the action bar, do you?

And for the record, I do jump in real life, because I'm not a boring, unfit slob and it's faster to get past an obstacle by climbing or jumping over it than finding another way around. But that has nothing to do with it, because this game is not realistic and will never be. Take your realism and shove it.

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jumping up/down obsticals is a physical stupidity. have you ever jumped down a hill? perhaps you've tried jumping up a hill? Do you fancy delf inflicted bodily harm? Jump is for fun/effect/gaps/grasp thats right grasp! to reach with your hands what was too high before. no one jumps like you think they do... but if it had to be mapped to a button, id say the passive/active mode switch is best.

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Yeah, actually, I have jumped down small hills, slopes and ledges before. It's faster and safer, assuming that you're fit enough to jump.

Don't forget to add PvP is being added. lol Let the trolling begin!

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jumping up/down obsticals is a physical stupidity. have you ever jumped down a hill? perhaps you've tried jumping up a hill?

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Hmm yeah actually???? O.o Have you not? And why not? I've jumped over, hopped over, stepped over, a lot of things in my day. Have you ever been hiking? I'm starting to wonder if some of you guys have ever been in natural environments before, you really can't get around NOT at least hopping over stuff or down stuff. NOBODY walks around a small ledge to get down in real life like we do in FFXIV. I thought the last pathing revision would fix that but it does not, enters jump function.

Again a jump features doesn't have to mean we're going to be able to jump 10 feet in the air, it will probably just be high enough to clear obstacles and probably won't be such a visual eye sore as you are fearing.

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Hmm yeah actually???? O.o Have you not? And why not? I've jumped over, hopped over, stepped over, a lot of things in my day. Have you ever been hiking? I'm starting to wonder if some of you guys have ever been in natural environments before, you really can't get around NOT at least hopping over stuff or down stuff. NOBODY walks around a small ledge to get down in real life like we do in FFXIV.

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I know, right?

If you guys keep bringing up you not jumping IRL, just don't use jump once its implemented. Nobody's forcing you to jump over obstacles. Walk around or find another way like you would IRL.

enter fantasy game; complain about physics.

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enter fantasy game; complain about physics.

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LMAO

My character is physically fit to jump. She just doesn't feel like she needs to though. :P

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LMAO

My character is physically fit to jump. She just doesn't feel like she needs to though. :P

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You'd think the Mi'qote would be the best jumpers... but Roegadyn are extremely nimble.. unlike their less evolved, tailed galka cousins

Gear swapping in middle of battle was completely stupid and I hated that in FFXI. It made no sense, here let me take off my shirt and put on another one while fighting this monster so it can help me boost my stats alittle to help me kill you. Just doesn't make sense, I don't mind carrying multiple gearsets around and switching out when need be but switching in the middle of battle was dumb. I kudos this post with all the things they are bringing to the table, some stuff is also getting removed that I liked but nothing game breaking and it doesn't hurt the game immersion at all.

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You'd think the Mi'qote would be the best jumpers... but Roegadyn are extremely nimble.. unlike their less evolved, tailed galka cousins

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Of course they'd be the best (also best looking) jumpers! ^_^ but what exactly is there to jump on? Besides Lalafells.

I think I understand a reason why they cant add gear swap option and it mainly comes down to the data sent back and forth to comfirm those actions.

Its not that they cant add the option its because they dont have it going outta hand down on there end with the data comfirms.

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I think I understand a reason why they cant add gear swap option and it mainly comes down to the data sent back and forth to comfirm those actions.

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No offense, but I'm guessing they won't add gear swaps because they were rediculous.

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No offense, but I'm guessing they won't add gear swaps because they were rediculous.

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Personal opinion. There's no "one gear to rule them all" in MMOs and XI was one of the few that actually allowed you to micromanage gear for certain situations. In other MMOs, it all came down to if you had the latest raid armor set which is why most MMOs tend to have horrible economies, especially if they have a crafting aspect.

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Personal opinion. There's no "one gear to rule them all" in MMOs and XI was one of the few that actually allowed you to micromanage gear for certain situations. In other MMOs, it all came down to if you had the latest raid armor set which is why most MMOs tend to have horrible economies, especially if they have a crafting aspect.

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I understand what it did, but it's an aweful concept. The fact that it was in the game at all pointed more to poor choices for stats on gear than anything else. I'm glad the devs have confirmed they are not going to allow gear swap mid-battle in this game.

I'm not really a fan of gear swapping, but how did you all do it? Cause i used macros... and last i checked FFXIV has macros.. they are slow as hell, but they work..

Macros was the only way I did lol.