Vote Kick if watching cut scene? Dev Pls Respond

im gonna laugh when the people wanting this feature start getting booted, then it will be too late.

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Originally Posted by indira

im gonna laugh when the people wanting this feature start getting booted, then it will be too late.

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I want this feature... I fully expect to be booted from time to time, it happens. I'm also not going to lose any sleep over it.

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Originally Posted by ChriskoOnAnotherLevel

I do not think you understand how things work, mainly life in general.

The majority of the public wants a vote to kick feature, of course this comes with many limitations to attempt to keep people from abusing, but YOU ARE MISSING THE POINT.

A vote to kick feature serves one purpose and one purpose only, TO KICK a person or persons out of the group due to majority vote.

The reason does not matter, sorry it really does not.

If you are in a group of 8 and NO one else needs to watch CS, sorry but they should have the right to vote kick you. What else would it be for?

I myself do not use the DF to find party members, but with the new features coming up on 2.1 I likely will quite often.

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Sorry if the reason behind the vote kick bothers you, but that is life, grow up a bit.

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Very sad...

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Originally Posted by ChriskoOnAnotherLevel

I do not think you understand how things work, mainly life in general.

The majority of the public wants a vote to kick feature, of course this comes with many limitations to attempt to keep people from abusing, but YOU ARE MISSING THE POINT.

A vote to kick feature serves one purpose and one purpose only, TO KICK a person or persons out of the group due to majority vote.

The reason does not matter, sorry it really does not.

If you are in a group of 8 and NO one else needs to watch CS, sorry but they should have the right to vote kick you. What else would it be for?

I myself do not use the DF to find party members, but with the new features coming up on 2.1 I likely will quite often.

If I get qued with someone who is wasting the parties time by randomly afking and not doing their best to progress the dungeon I should have the right to initiate a vote kick.

Sorry if the reason behind the vote kick bothers you, but that is life, grow up a bit.

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I'm skeptical that SE's reason for the vote kick is due to conflict over watching cut scenes. However, my opinion differs from those who believe the majority should be able to kick whoever they want. We all paid for this game and we all have the right to enjoy it as it was intended. If a person is doing their best, trying to cooperate with the group, but it just not skilled enough or experienced enough in the eyes of the other players, that player still has a right to play. If someone wants to watch the cut scenes and is not delaying excessively, they have that right. If a group of 7 enters the df needing one member, they have no right to demand that that player do what they say. I'm sorry but people enter df to progress normally in the game and a majority does not have the right to tell them they can't. IMO there must be something inappropriate about what the player is doing to deserve to be kicked. And watching cut scenes is not inappropriate. Vote kick is not meant for parties to be selective about who they run with in df.

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Originally Posted by Zakalwe

Very sad...

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How exactly is what he said "sad" he merely pointed out that, if your wants and desires are not inline with those of the rest of the group, then it is their right to remove you. It's the point of a well used kick function.

The way I look at all this is sorta like going to lunch with a group of co-workers, the group decided to get Italian, but you really wanted Chinese. Do you stamp your feet and demand to be accommodated, or do you suck it up and get Italian, or do you decide to just not go with them and find some other group that wants Chinese. Two of those are an adult response, one is what a three year old does.

Basically my opinion is neither side of this debate are right, and neither is wrong as it cuts both ways, both could make a pre-made party that us in line with their values and leave DF to those of us who don't give a crap either way.

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Originally Posted by Zakalwe

Thank you for the apology. Nazi and Racist slurs have no place in even spirited discussions of video game playstyles.

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yay for obligatory political correctness..........
seriously that analogy was just as worthy of being in this discussion as any other analogy i think its ok to at least mention the holocaust over 70 years since it happened

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Originally Posted by Rose_Vilehart

yay for obligatory political correctness..........
seriously that analogy was just as worthy of being in this discussion as any other analogy i think its ok to at least mention the holocaust over 70 years since it happened

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No, no it's not, being booted from a dungeon run by majority vote in a video game is not and never will be analogous to genocide.

These days people are only running through CM and Prae once, for the story, and never again since there's no point when you can just run WP for tomes/myths, so I wouldn't be too worried about people vote kicking people for watching cut-scenes when it's going to be mostly people who haven't done it before or people helping their friends who haven't done it (and said friends are likely to want to watch the cut-scenes).

lol I guess the game is going to be FFXIV A Realm Speed Run

Hm. Why don't they just make the first time they watch the cutscene unskipable? That way people can enjoy watching the CS entirely at least once.

Some of the cutscenes require action from the user to progress. As such a player could AFK during a cutscene and stay in the cutscene. If they disabled it for the cutscenes we'd end up with the same problem, afker's during a cutscene and can't do anything about it.

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Originally Posted by Bufkus

These days people are only running through CM and Prae once, for the story, and never again since there's no point when you can just run WP for tomes/myths, so I wouldn't be too worried about people vote kicking people for watching cut-scenes when it's going to be mostly people who haven't done it before or people helping their friends who haven't done it (and said friends are likely to want to watch the cut-scenes).

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Uh...you should try running CM sometime. Or Praetorium. I regularly try to help new 50's get in, and there's always half a group covered in Darklight/Allagan, wielding Relic +1's that either try to pressure the newbies into skipping all the cutscenes, or simply leave them behind, locking them out of every boss fight.

Smart people run WP for the same tomestones in a shorter period of time, yes. But not everyone who plays XIV is smart.

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Originally Posted by Brises

If a person is doing their best, trying to cooperate with the group, but it just not skilled enough or experienced enough in the eyes of the other players, that player still has a right to play. If someone wants to watch the cut scenes and is not delaying excessively, they have that right.

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All discussions of personal morality aside, that is to say, speaking from a purely technical point of view - do the players that would otherwise be forced to party with the unskilled player not have the same right to play as they so choose?

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Originally Posted by Seidaku

Is it going to be possible for people to initiate a vote kick for people who are watching the cut scenes? If this is going to be possible then let me know so I can just quit right now.

I will not support a game that will throw someone under the bus like this because of impatience from other people.

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Not if he/she is afk... I've seen few ppl just go afk during long CS.

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Originally Posted by AideLee

Not if he/she is afk... I've seen few ppl just go afk during long CS.

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I've seen this also, was in a party where 5 or 6 ppl were watching cutscenes since they were on it for story mode. One guy took an extra 2-3 minutes on every cutscene, not sure what he was doing, but it was clear he was taking longer than the other people who were watching the same cutscenes in full, lol.

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Originally Posted by Lurkios

All discussions of personal morality aside, that is to say, speaking from a purely technical point of view - do the players that would otherwise be forced to party with the unskilled player not have the same right to play as they so choose?

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I would say no, because speed runs are the exception, not the norm. If you have to find even one person through df, that person's right to play at his/her own level needs to be respected. If you can't find a full sr party through FC or shout, something is wrong.

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Originally Posted by Tupsi

Yoshi says a lot of things.

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I haven't seen him lie about things though, he just delivers the bad news with no hesitation, lol.

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Originally Posted by Sajittarius

I've seen this also, was in a party where 5 or 6 ppl were watching cutscenes since they were on it for story mode. One guy took an extra 2-3 minutes on every cutscene, not sure what he was doing, but it was clear he was taking longer than the other people who were watching the same cutscenes in full, lol.

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Maybe his ability to read was not very good? Maybe he is from a country, for that there is no translation in the game and he has to translate it for himself?

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Originally Posted by Milmoko_Gemoko

Surely your systems know when players are in cut-scenes given how it says so in the Party List - cant you simply disable the kick function on players in cut-scene?

I mean Im still on my first run through here and havent even got near the "end" of the current V2 storyline and thats before its expanded with 2.1 so obviously I'm gonna be watchin Dungeon cutscenes when they come up, seems unfair I could get booted for wanting to enjoy the main selling point of the FF games - the story!

Or could you add a Duty Finder option that allows groups to be formed where all players want to watch cut-scenes?

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That wont work. Because if you have an AFK-Leecher in your group, he will be in a cutscene the whole run. And you definitely wanna kick those.

And to your concern: I surely will not vote to kick a player, that is in a dungeon the first time and watches the story. If I wanna farm, i join a speedrun group. If I go DF, I am fine with a slower run. I guess there are enough people who think like that and wont kick either.

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Originally Posted by Despite

Pretty much every dungeon I've been in someone told me to skip the cutscenes.. not ask. Told.

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I have a hard time believing this. I'm not saying you're lying, but I'm certain you're greatly exaggerating.

Either way Both parties are selfish and there is no way anyone can convince me other wise. Like I said we're all assholes.

The fact people are STILL fighting over this shit is just... i cant even wrap my brain around it.

Thank god I never have to step foot in CM ever again unless I'm running a friend through.

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Originally Posted by lilena

Either way Both parties are selfish and there is no way anyone can convince me other wise. Like I said we're all assholes.

The fact people are STILL fighting over this shit is just... i cant even wrap my brain around it.

Thank god I never have to step foot in CM ever again unless I'm running a friend through.

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Selfish for wanting to see the story? Yeah okay.

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Originally Posted by Starlord

Selfish for wanting to see the story? Yeah okay.

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I skipped them, and guess what. It didnt change ONE thing when I went back into the inn and watched all the stuff in the inn.

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Originally Posted by lilena

Either way Both parties are selfish and there is no way anyone can convince me other wise. Like I said we're all assholes.

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Not to the same degree. There's a difference between saying "yes I'll help you get what you need out of this run provided I also get what I need" and saying "my needs are the only thing we're going for here, you have to forgo what you're here for." Watching a cutscene doesn't stop anyone from finishing the run and getting their loot. It may happen a minute later, but it still happens. On the other hand, skipping a cutscene does prevent the story from happening at all.

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Originally Posted by lilena

I skipped them, and guess what. It didnt change ONE thing when I went back into the inn and watched all the stuff in the inn.

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"To you it didn't" to me When I go through the main storyline, I want to "live" it. Waiting till watching it in the inn will feel like it was a dream >.>.

I understand AFTER the first time you see it I feel people should skip, but THEY ARE PAYING FOR IT, so they have every right to watch them in the way that they want to watch them.

Edit: Also, if you really want everybody to skip, you should just form a party yourself with like-minded individuals. That way You don't have to be bothered and the people that want to see the story for the first time can watch it.

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Originally Posted by Lurkios

Everyone in the run is paying for it, "everyone" including those majority who generally have no desire to watch the cutscenes.

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Those people then should make a party and grind away. In the DF, Everyone should be expecting someone to do there story for the first time. If you or anybody doesn't want to do that, simply make a party with people that want to skip the CS period.

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Originally Posted by Starlord

I understand AFTER the first time you see it I feel people should skip, but THEY ARE PAYING FOR IT, so they have every right to watch them in the way that they want to watch them.

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Everyone in the run is paying for it, "everyone" including the majority who generally have no desire to watch the cutscenes.

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Originally Posted by lilena

Either way Both parties are selfish and there is no way anyone can convince me other wise. Like I said we're all assholes.

The fact people are STILL fighting over this shit is just... i cant even wrap my brain around it.

Thank god I never have to step foot in CM ever again unless I'm running a friend through.

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Nice try but no. The content is there for a reason. Skipping it is obviously not its intended design. Maybe the devs need to put a limit to how long a cutscene can last (making the text autoscroll after X seconds) and\or maybe stop the dungeon timer while someone is watching (both are separate issues)... but cutscenes are there to be seen. Skipping is the option. You have no right to demand anyone skip the experience they paid for and have every right to see.

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Originally Posted by Hvinire

That said, as stated by Yoshida previously, we will take abuses of the system seriously and will take action against those using it for malicious purposes.

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Does that mean that people who get kicked will get all the info necessary to be able to report abuse of it? They'll need to know who initiated the kick (by both name and server), who all voted for it (again, both full name and server), and what reason was given. If there's no reason given, or one that isn't accurate, or one that's inherently abusive (like kicking for watching the cutscenes), then it should be both reportable and acted on when reported.

If all the kicked player knows is that by the time they're finished with the opening cutscene, they're out of the dungeon and told they've been kicked from it, then there would be no way to report the abuse, so no way for the GMs to take that action you're claiming will happen.

in response to the dev..too lazy to quote

If all the kicked player knows is that by the time they're finished with the opening cutscene, they're out of the dungeon and told they've been kicked from it, then there would be no way to report the abuse, so no way for the GMs to take that action you're claiming will happen.[/QUOTE]

in many situations you can't even be sure if players abused the system or not....someone is just too slow or w/e and gm decides you abuse the system, awesome

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Originally Posted by lilena

Either way Both parties are selfish and there is no way anyone can convince me other wise. Like I said we're all assholes.

The fact people are STILL fighting over this shit is just... i cant even wrap my brain around it.

Thank god I never have to step foot in CM ever again unless I'm running a friend through.

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Sure hope your friend doesn't dare watch any cut scenes.

this is a joke right? I have played this game and take alot of joy in watching the storyline unfold... and NO ONE has the right to take that from me... if i want to watch the story line i worked hard to see it I WILL its my right.. and i wouldnt mind waiting for someone while they are watching the cutscene.. cuz guess what this is a GAME not a JOB.. should be fun ..thats the point right ?

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Originally Posted by coffeeking

in response to the dev..too lazy to quote

in many situations you can't even be sure if players abused the system or not....someone is just too slow or w/e and gm decides you abuse the system, awesome

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Realistically I don't see how GMs will be able to do anything about the vote to kick. After all you have a majority in the group saying they don't want the kicked person there. GMs, in fact most support structures, have a hard time with vague determinations. I suspect they'll shrug and say that the kicked should requeue and hope for the best.

I just ran a group in Prae where I was using roulette. I am a tank with 86 ilvl. I have done Prae a million times. One player was unresponsive during the run, and was watching every cutscene for several minutes (not PS3 slow loading, I'm talking 5 mins each scene!). I believe this individual was leaching and just saying he was watching cutscenes. I tried to kick, but the party would not. I'm not trying to start a huge war between whether or not this individual should or should not be kicked BUT, I left the instance and gladly took my 30 min punishment. I may get reported, but It's not fair to me or the 7 others in the party that have to wait for some guy to sit there either A)leaching tomes or B) slowly reading each line of text.

There needs to be a way to keep these people seperate. Like an option when you que "Yes, I would like to watch all cutscenes" so a group of 8 can watch them together instead of one guy wasting others time. IMO this is a game issue and not a community one.

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Originally Posted by Trikolas

I just ran a group in Prae where....

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its a main story quest dungeon. what do u expect?

I am fine with cutscene watcher when i mainquest df roulette.
But spending more than 5 mins in a scene make me think you might be afk :)

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Originally Posted by Trikolas

I just ran a group in Prae where I was using roulette. [snip]

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Prae has the longest cutscenes of any dungeon. All together, something in excess of half an hour of them if I remember correctly. I believe you may have made an error in judgement.