Dps jobs share at least 90% of their abilities

I feel like ppl confuse why we are at the state we are rn with balance when in reality it's the 2 minute meta which was put in to help the more casual base align and such as the main problem. Course we can see it doesn't really work because those players don't really think as hard when it comes to things and hit it whenever. But the other part is the player base that is also the cause like Jeeq mentioned.

Also w2g kinda leand more into a stance of "why isn't ff14 ff11" which usually doesn't help

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Originally Posted by Rymi64

I feel like ppl confuse why we are at the state we are rn with balance when in reality it's the 2 minute meta which was put in to help the more casual base align and such as the main problem. Course we can see it doesn't really work because those players don't really think as hard when it comes to things and hit it whenever. But the other part is the player base that is also the cause like Jeeq mentioned.

Also w2g kinda leand more into a stance of "why isn't ff14 ff11" which usually doesn't help

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That's fair, it's just a good discussion though. SE is so worried about high end/world first, yet it's the other 99% that suffer for it. The 1% will always find ways to not include a certain class due to balance reasons no matter what game.

Just like I'll continue to say, the dungeons being optimized by players shouldn't warrant the dungeons being optimized by developers.

When you design the nuance out of your game, you tend to design the fun out as well.

Ugh. All jobs have you walking or running everywhere. Mounts if able to use.

It's all the same!

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Originally Posted by R041

That's fair, it's just a good discussion though. SE is so worried about high end/world first, yet it's the other 99% that suffer for it. The 1% will always find ways to not include a certain class due to balance reasons no matter what game.

Just like I'll continue to say, the dungeons being optimized by players shouldn't warrant the dungeons being optimized by developers.

When you design the nuance out of your game, you tend to design the fun out as well.

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That's the thing though, they don't design it more for the high end they design it for the more casual ppl that's why we are where we are. If they did design for the high end ppl might be on here saying that jobs are to hard and the like.

Dungeons are also have to cater to the more casual which is why they're usually easy. And also designed to be a "in and out" deal which is why they are the way they are.

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Originally Posted by Irenia

Yeah, and iirc it's because they don't want a situation where a DPS is shunned because it doesn't have the correct seasonings, so to speak.

If you look at this particular bit of job design as a way to influence in-game community behavior,it makes more sense.

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And yet jobs are regulary excluded from parties or flat out unable to clear content until the content is nerfed / the job buffed. Seems like their goal isnt working :)

And before you say "But what about the casual playerbase?" They play content so easy that many of them cant even hit their buttons properly and still clear, job balance doesnt matter to them.

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Originally Posted by Rymi64

That's the thing though, they don't design it more for the high end they design it for the more casual ppl that's why we are where we are. If they did design for the high end ppl might be on here saying that jobs are to hard and the like.

Dungeons are also have to cater to the more casual which is why they're usually easy. And also designed to be a "in and out" deal which is why they are the way they are.

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It's somehow the extremes of both, and nothing in-between.

Well.....yeah. I press a button and it gets me closer to my goals. You know FF14 and Mario Kart are a lot alike.

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It's somehow the extremes of both, and nothing in-between.

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What even would be good midcore content anyway? I was thinking time attack instances where the better your time, the better your reward. Also the better you play, the higher rolls you get, and once you roll AND win, you cannot roll again until the reset, but you will accumulate tokens one to five per day, depending on your performance, to exchange for the rewards you would otherwise get at the end. You will only see your results and none of the other players'.

Thoughts?

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Originally Posted by EgilTheStressedMage

What even would be good midcore content anyway? I was thinking time attack instances where the better your time, the better your reward. Also the better you play, the higher rolls you get, and once you roll AND win, you cannot roll again until the reset, but you will accumulate tokens one to five per day, depending on your performance, to exchange for the rewards you would otherwise get at the end. You will only see your results and none of the other players'.

Thoughts?

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That's basically m+ but a bit different, which would be by lightyears a better system than the current system, M+ gives rewards based on level of the key (and in the past depending on the time it's beat in you'd get more chests) and once a week gives a "big reward".

Some system around that in FFXIV would not only make FFXIV a bit more competitive but also more entertaining and fun for those that want a challenge.

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Originally Posted by Vandso

What I want them to make:

A bestmaster job who captures monsters and uses them to fight other monsters;
A geomancer job whose spells have different properities based on the current weather and terrain.

What they would probably make:

A beastmaster job that summons monsters as sfx for their abilities;
A geomancer job that uses weather as sfx for their spells.

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I think SCH in XI has something like what you're looking for, where weather provides great bonuses to one of thier spell sets. SCH also has spells to inflist enemies with certain kinds of weather to ensure they can get those bonuses. I'm not real sure, but I think those weather effects also effect other jobs abilities as well.