[Reminder] Are you ready to cry again? (2° Wave of Alpha invites tomorrow, 3 dec.)

Alpha Test is not to please everyone, its to test certain stuff out and apperently you don't need every single person for that. If you know everything better and can do everything better, pls go ahead and apply to SE.

But there is no point to use these unrealistic theories to complain about not getting in alpha, maybe thats even good cause if you would mess the alpha forums with all your complaints nobody would find the feedback anymore.

Everyone always thinks his feedback is so important and he supports the game so much more then everybody else, wake up thats totally bullshit.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Firon

This guys is just so butt hurt he will just not let it go, if they was gonna invite everyone there would not have been an phase where you need to apply. Everyone knew from the get go that everyone was not getting in so just stop saying they could have done this, they don't need every single player they can muster for this phase if they did it would have been an OPEN alpha.

Yoshi-p has stated he understand everyone wants to give feedback but he does not need everyone's feedback for alpha.

---

translation: "I can't counter what he says so I'll insult him. And will repeat what Yoshida said as a mantra like Yoshida can do no wrong".

Sorry to disappoint: Yes. Yoshida can make mistakes and take wrong decisions. This isn't the first and won't be the last. Despite what some of the most stalwart fanboys think, he's human.

An application would be necessary anyway because not everyone is *interested* in alpha testing. I know several that simply don't have time or consider it a waste of their time as they accumulate no progression from it.

Sending invites to those that aren't interested is a waste of space, so an application would still be useful to gauge interest and to gather data on the testers (rig, connection and so forth).

What they NEED or don't NEED is beyond the point. As Gramul very correctly said, everyone here has been helping them one way or another. That's why they should be given the chance to give their direct feedback on the alpha.

Relationships between a company and customers aren't and shouldn't be based only on what the company needs.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by moriandrio

Alpha Test is not to please everyone, its to test certain stuff out and apperently you don't need every single person for that. If you know everything better and can do everything better, pls go ahead and apply to SE.

But there is no point to use these unrealistic theories to complain about not getting in alpha, maybe thats even good cause if you would mess the alpha forums with all your complaints nobody would find the feedback anymore.

Everyone always thinks his feedback is so important and he supports the game so much more then everybody else, wake up thats totally bullshit.

---

It's refreshing to see that most of those that continue to defend this lopsided selection methods can't really do without personally attacking their counterparts. It easily shows who's right and who knows his arguments are too weak to sustain themselvs.

There's nothing unrealistic about turnovers. It's been done, an SE has all the tools necessary to do them.

Everyone thinks his feedback is important. Guess what? As paying customers, it is.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Abriael

translation: "I can't counter what he says so I'll insult him. And will repeat what Yoshida said as a mantra like Yoshida can do no wrong".

Sorry to disappoint, yes. Yoshida can make mistakes. This isn't the first and won't be the last. Despite what some of the most stalwart fanboys think he's human.

An application would be necessary anyway because not everyone is *interested* in alpha testing. I know several that simply don't have time or consider it a waste of their time as they accumulate no progression from it.

Sending invites to those that aren't interested is a waste of space, so an application would still be useful to gauge interest and to gather data on the testers (rig, connection and so forth).

What they NEED or don't NEED is beyond the point. As Gramul very correctly said, everyone here has been helping them one way or another. That's why they should be given the chance to give their direct feedback on the alpha.

Relationships between a company and customers aren't and shouldn't be based only on what the company needs.

---

They have no obligation to invite everyone!!!! none whats so ever get through your fucking head bro. They invited the amount of people they needed that's all there is to understand. I bet if you get invited Monday your bitching on these forums will stop and everything will be sugar and rainbows for you.

So the alpha test should be based on what you need is that what you are saying? Also what mistake did he make not inviting you? Not the whole player base? I'll say it again if he wanted everyone in the alpha it would have been an open alpha. Its like you never been in a alpha for a game before.

Hey guys Microsoft hates their supporters cause they only let a few select people test their upcoming software!!?!?!?!

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Firon

They have no obligation to invite everyone!!!! none whats so ever get through your fucking head bro. They invited the amount of people they needed that's all there is to understand. I bet if you get invited Monday your bitching on these forums will stop and everything will be sugar and rainbows for you.

---

You'd lose the bet, unless they invited *all* those that hold an active account. This has never been about just me, as much you and a few others try your hardest to shift the debate on a personal level.

I'm sure you'll be able to quote where I said they have the "obligation" to do anything. Please. Do try. Humor me. Add as many exclamation marks as you wish too, if you think it makes your point look more solid.

One thing is pointing out an obligation (which as far as I know no one here did) another is pointing out what would be the right and fair thing to do. No one here is holding SE at a gunpoint. Or saying "SE DO WHAT WE WANT OR ELSE!" We're offering criticism. Criticism doesn't involve necessarily involve obligations.

Quote:

---

So the alpha test should be based on what you need is that what you are saying?

---

All customer relations are based on a compromise between what the company needs and what the customer needs. It's the very basic concept of commerce. But thanks for trying to warp my argument because you can't counter it in its original form.

Quote:

---

so what mistake did he make not inviting you? Not the whole player base? I'll say it again if he wanted everyone in the alpha it would have been an open alpha. Its like you never been in a alpha for a game before.

---

The mistake is having left out many of the active subscribers while inviting inactives. Just like other mistakes he did before, like letting everyone in the final event and ruining it for everyone.

Looks like you don't really know what "Open" means. An "open alpha" would let everyone in, regardless of their active status. An alpha that let only active subscribers in wouldn't have been in any way "open".

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Abriael

You'd lose the bet, unless they invited *all* those that hold an active account. This has never been about just me, as much you and a few others try your hardest to shift the debate on a personal level.

I'm sure you'll be able to quote where I said they have the "obligation" to do anything. Please. Do try. Humor me. Add as many exclamation marks as you wish too, if you think it makes your point look more solid.

One thing is pointing out an obligation (which as far as I know no one here did) another is pointing out what would be the right and fair thing to do. No one here is holding SE at a gunpoint. Or saying "SE DO WHAT WE WANT OR ELSE!" We're offering criticism. Criticism doesn't involve necessarily involve obligations.



All customer relations are based on a compromise between what the company needs and what the customer needs. It's the very basic concept of commerce. But thanks for trying to warp my argument because you can't counter it in its original form.

---

You'r argument still holds no water cause anyone with a half a brain knows anything with a applications does not mean everyone gets in.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Firon

You'r argument still holds no water cause anyone with a half a brain knows anything with a applications does not mean everyone gets in.

---

Regardless of the very limited readability of the above, if I interpreted it correctly, you're making just another false assumption. An application doesn't necessarily involve a selection. Filling the application in itself can easily be *the* method of selection, and it's a method used rather often in this industry and others.

So yeah, there are plenty cases in which everyone that applies gets accepted, especially if that application is open only to a limited audience in itself. Maybe "everyone with half a brain" should look around a bit more.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Abriael

Regardless of the very limited readability of the above, if I interpreted it correctly, you're making just another false assumption. An application doesn't necessarily involve a selection. Filling the application in itself can easily be *the* method of selection, and it's a method used rather often in this industry and others.

So yeah, there are plenty cases in which everyone that applies gets accepted, especially if that application is open only to a limited audience in itself.

---

OK bro you win. /thumbsup I'm tired of going back and forth I mean Ray Charles could not even be this blind.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Firon

You'r argument still holds no water cause anyone with a half a brain knows anything with a applications does not mean everyone gets in.

---

Well, that's assuming Abriael has at least half a brain. lol

But really though, it's gotten quite sad. Abriael is determined to convince the world that SE does not treat their loyal fanbase fairly because not everyone in their fanbase got to experience alpha, despite the clear evidence that makes his argument a steaming fly-covered pile of BS. And what's worse is that there are other people encouraging his rants and temper tantrums. (Likely most of them are more people who also didn't get to experience alpha) Abriael is of the mind that if he and other faboy loyalists of FF14 didn't get into the alpha phase, the game will somehow fail or alpha will not have been done correctly or... you know, the skewed logic of the extremely self-entitled and narcassistic. You know what? I kind of hope he gets invited to beta. Because if he doesn't... Oh god. If you think he's whining now... lol

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by SkyeWindbinder

Well, that's assuming Abriael has at least half a brain. lol

But really though, it's gotten quite sad. Abriael is determined to convince the world that SE does not treat their loyal fanbase fairly because not everyone in their fanbase got to experience alpha, despite the clear evidence that makes his argument a steaming fly-covered pile of BS. And what's worse is that there are other people encouraging his rants and temper tantrums. (Likely most of them are more people who also didn't get to experience alpha) Abriael is of the mind that if he and other faboy loyalists of FF14 didn't get into the alpha phase, the game will somehow fail or alpha will not have been done correctly or... you know, the skewed logic of the extremely self-entitled and narcassistic. You know what? I kind of hope he gets invited to beta. Because if he doesn't... Oh god. If you think he's whining now... lol

---

Nice chain of personal attacks. I see you don't lose that habit. By the way, I believe I already told you that "loyalist" doesn't mean what you think it means. This isn't a civil war, as much some overly aggressive people seem to think of it like one and miss no chance to attack their counterpart on a personal level. The word you're looking for is "loyal". It's not the same thing. You're welcome. No charge.

But hey, since you have "clear evidence", let's see it. Because you never once brought anything that could even remotely be defined "evidence" (which is why you continuously resort to personal attacks. If your argument was anywhere solid, you wouldn't need to).

Also, again, please do quote where I said that if I or others don't get in the alpha the "game will somehow fail". Do humor me.

You can't? Oh... too bad.

As far as applying goes, it'd be best if people saw it like real life when you apply for a job. Sometimes you're qualified, they know you're qualified and you'd do well in the position but there are also a bunch of other qualified people. You might not get it simply because there are so many others who are also able to do the job and have the credentials. On top of that there are office politics which means they' could be going after the person you'd assume would be less qualified (maybe it's a woman, handicapped person, whatever).

All of that is to say that sometimes applying to things isn't a straightforward as it seems or as we'd wish it to be. SE has their own intents with who they actually invite, despite the notion that they really ought to take in dedicated players who they can assume would provide the most useful feedback.

Personally i don't think having played 1.0 should give you any leg up on anything ARR related. Yeah, SE has kind of fibbed about some things but since we can't do anything about it, why not just deal with it? As a business, they're doing what they believe will work for them. When they won't take your money and let you play the retail version, then you can bitch. Until then, you're making a big deal over nothing. Most of all this arguing is really just because some are mad they can't play an incomplete, wire-frame of a game. Silly.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by EinSoFZ

As far as applying goes, it'd be best if people saw it like real life when you apply for a job.

---

Only, this isn't a job. Our position is that of customers, which is very different of that of employees or perspective employees.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Abriael

You'd lose the bet, unless they invited *all* those that hold an active account. This has never been about just me, as much you and a few others try your hardest to shift the debate on a personal level.

I'm sure you'll be able to quote where I said they have the "obligation" to do anything. Please. Do try. Humor me. Add as many exclamation marks as you wish too, if you think it makes your point look more solid.

One thing is pointing out an obligation (which as far as I know no one here did) another is pointing out what would be the right and fair thing to do. No one here is holding SE at a gunpoint. Or saying "SE DO WHAT WE WANT OR ELSE!" We're offering criticism. Criticism doesn't involve necessarily involve obligations.



All customer relations are based on a compromise between what the company needs and what the customer needs. It's the very basic concept of commerce. But thanks for trying to warp my argument because you can't counter it in its original form.

---

I'm sure Yoshi-P won't be loosing any sleep over loosing you as a subscriber and the community won't miss your constant whining either.
It is so abundantly clear to almost anyone reading this that you think alpha is beta. You sir need to learn to admit when you are just plain wrong or even better when to keep it shut in the first place.

And Abby thinks he has a brain. ;) "If I only had a brain" I miss that movie :(.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Thebard

I'm sure Yoshi-P won't be loosing any sleep over loosing you as a subscriber and the community won't miss your constant whining either.

---

You're making a rather large assumption, as I'm personally not going anywhere.
And you think you can talk for "the community". guess what? You can't.

Quote:

---

It is so abundantly clear to almost anyone reading this that you think alpha is beta. You sir need to learn to admit when you are just plain wrong or even better when to keep it shut in the first place.

---

And you may want to learn the fact that you're not in the position to decide what is "plain wrong" or not. I'm sure some would love critics to just "keep it shut". Guess what? That won't happen, because expressing criticism is one of the primary purposes of this forum, no matter how much you dislike it.

But do keep piling the personal attacks on. It only serves to prove my point. I do find it hilarious that some find criticism to a company completely extraneous to them so maddening that they feel the need to rain personal attacks on their counterpart.

It's a constant source of amusement that I can't help but sharing with my colleagues at work. Fun should always be shared.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Abriael

Nice chain of personal attacks. I see you don't lose that habit. By the way, I believe I already told you that "loyalist" doesn't mean what you think it means. This isn't a civil war, as much some overly aggressive people seem to think of it like one and miss no chance to attack their counterpart on a personal level. The word you're looking for is "loyal". It's not the same thing. You're welcome. No charge.

But hey, since you have "clear evidence", let's see it. Because you never once brought anything that could even remotely be defined "evidence" (which is why you continuously resort to personal attacks. If your argument was anywhere solid, you wouldn't need to).

Also, again, please do quote where I said that if I or others don't get in the alpha the "game will somehow fail". Do humor me.

You can't? Oh... too bad.

---

Blah blah blah blah... lol Still the same old song and dance. "Loyalist" is the word I choose to use to describe those who stick wit SE throughout their career of making games. It's called an "exaggeration". What's sad is, you're the only person I actually had to explain that to. It just goes way over your head, doesn't it Abby? (shaking my head in pity) I was actually just kidding about the "half of a brain" thing, but now I wonder...

Your words, your attitude, your butthurt mile-long speeches declaring SE is "doing it wrong" by not letting you and every other loyalist (yep, I said it again) in to test alpha is all the evidennce needed to reveal you as just some guy who's typing long paragraphs and volunteering the "proper definition of words" (thank you, Mr. Dictionary, lol) to make it seem like your argument is more than what it is; Just a chain of rants, accusations, and really really pathetic long bouts of crying over an over ad over and over... You're really not fooling anyone, Abby. Here, I found this on another thread. I think it might help you if you pay attention to it's message...


http://sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphoto...85802542_n.jpg

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Abriael

Only, this isn't a job. Our position is that of customers, which is very different of that of employees or perspective employees.

---

While true, that wasn't my point. First of all I'd argue that we're not even customers yet. Right now, anyone wanting to play or actually playing is just an interested party. Secondly, those of us who are in here clamoring to play and begging have already surrendered our nads to SE. I know that's blunt, but let's keep it real. You aren't going anywhere, I'm not going anywhere and neither are most of the players who will F5 these forums to keep up to date on ARR. When we're in a vice grip like that, they don't actually need to give us the level of respect we might actually be entitled to.

My analogies point was that sometimes you get it, sometimes you don't. Often the reason you don't is pretty stupid, but it's best to just move on; not harp on about your qualifications and promises/expectations. From the start of Alpha, I've told myself that like everything else in life it'll move on and we'll all be playing release. All of these shitstorms will be a faded memory. I have no reason to add to them thinking that way.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by SkyeWindbinder

More personal attacks

---

The funny thing is that if this really was a civil war, I wouldn't be a "loyalist" (you would be), but I digress. But hey, if you decide to select random words and use them for something that is not included in their meaning, more power to you. It doesn't help mutual understanding, but oh well.

What you bring isn't "evidence", it's your (misguided) opinion, that doesn't have any value of evidence anywhere.

Also, your constant use of exaggeration is nothing else than a misrepresentation of my position because you can't counter its original form. I suggest trying to counter my position, not your warped and imaginary version of it, because arguing against something no one argued is rather futile during a discussion.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by EinSoFZ

While true, that wasn't my point. First of all I'd argue that we're not even customers yet

---

Fact is that we are.

Quote:

---

My analogies point was that sometimes you get it, sometimes you don't. Often the reason you don't is pretty stupid, but it's best to just move on; not harp on about your qualifications and promises/expectations.

---

"moving on", "getting over it" and similar are a bad idea in customer/company relationships. It gives the company the very wrong idea that no matter what they do, there'll be no consequence. Which is a very dangerous signal flag to hoist.

But despite our disagreement, I thank you from the bottom of my heart for providing a counterpoint without throwing unnecessary personal assaults. While you provide no giggles to my co-workers, it's pretty refreshing.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Abriael

The funny thing is that if this really was a civil war, I wouldn't be a "loyalist" (you would be), but I digress. But hey, if you decide to select random words and use them for something that is not included in their meaning, more power to you. It doesn't help mutual understanding, but oh well.

What you bring isn't "evidence", it's your (misguided) opinion, that doesn't have any value of evidence anywhere.

Also, your constant use of exaggeration is nothing else than a misrepresentation of my position because you can't counter its original form. I suggest trying to counter my position, not your warped and imaginary version of it, because arguing against something no one argued is rather futile during a discussion.

---

Thank you again, Mr. Dictionary. lol Once again, exaggeration. Live it, learn it, love it. Also, seeing as how you compared yourself not getting into alpha to the sinking of the titanic, I really don't think you're in any position to preach about "meaning" and "comparison of words". You definately have a problem with perspective. :D

Yes, your past rants and your whining attitude are indeed evidence of your butthurt. Them cheeks are just stinging because you didn't get into alpha, lol. Like a little kid who got spanked. So, you're going to continue to cry about it and try to pass your QQing off as some sort of valid argument, when everyone with two eyes, a brain, and the ability to use all three can see what you're all about. Well, you go ahead. Cry till your heart's content. But guess what? It won't change the fact that you didn't get an alpha invite. It won't give you a bigger chance of gettng into beta. And it wn't add anysort of weight or logic to your "argument", such as it is. It will only make people roll their eyes in disdain at your constant riverflow of tears, or just do what I do and point and laugh at you for it.

You think your colleagues at work are laughing? That's nothing. You should have seen how much we laughed at you in chat last night. Our sides were aching! :D The funniest (or perhaps, saddest) thing about it is, you have no idea how ridiculously pathetic you're making yourself look. I tried to help you Abby, but you have to be willing to help yourself. Or you can continue to be the butt of everyone's jokes, either way works out for me.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by SkyeWindbinder

clear evidence that makes his argument a steaming fly-covered pile of BS. And what's worse is that there are other people encouraging his rants and temper tantrums. (Likely most of them are more people who also didn't get to experience alpha)

---

I did get into alpha and still "encourage his rants". Can you imagine that?

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Recycler

I did get into alpha and still "encourage his rants". Can you imagine that?

---

Actually I can, since my words were exactly "likely most of them" which means not all. Nice try, though. lol

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by SkyeWindbinder

Actually I can, since my words were exactly "likely most of them" which means not all. Nice try, though. lol

---

So what damage are his "rants" doing to you?

Man, people STILL attacking this guy? It's like they just want to for the sake of doing it. We get it, you don't agree with him. Yet you still attack him, try to say his opinion, a well thought out one I might add, is "wrong". When you debate opinion vs opinion, you don't start flinging mud in an attempt to scare away or change the opinion of your opposition, it just makes you look childish.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Abriael

Fact is that we are.

---

When they took your last payment for 1.0, you ceased to be a customer in fact. At best we're prospective customers for ARR. I mean, I haven't paid a dime for it yet and if ever I thought they were making the abortion that was 1.0 launch, they'd never get that dime. They're hoping we continue to play their game, so they're trying to make a good product (I guess) but until we've paid up, to me we aren't customers.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Abriael

"moving on", "getting over it" and similar are a bad idea in customer/company relationships. It gives the company the very wrong idea that no matter what they do, there'll be no consequence. Which is a very dangerous signal flag to hoist.

---

Yeah, but this isn't a finished product or anything. Getting all up in arms over nothing makes you look like a child who can't control their emotions. You're mad because you can't play? Show a little class and go about demonstrating that in a mature way. The reason I mentioned how they have nuts in a vicegrip is because when you give yourself to a company so easily (ie: you're a sure thing) they can pretty much assume you'll take the heat and still be there to stay. You think that moving on or accepting it suggests a rather cavalier attitude about customer/company relations, but the truth is that we can only do so much. Since we don't pay yet, it's not like we can say that we don't support this therefore we're not giving more money.

We can play the game. We can provide our feedback. That's really it. Since this IS just alpha, I say we need not start a crusade for justice and equality. If you're Joan of Arc on this one, I think you're just going to get burned at the stake.

Patience is indeed a virtue. Wait for it.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Gramul

So what damage are his "rants" doing to you?

---

I never said they were doing any damage. n act, quite the contrary. I'm Laughing my butt off at them while calling them out for being just a bunch of QQing. No harm done. At least not on my end.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by SkyeWindbinder

Thank you again, Mr. Dictionary. lol Once again, exaggeration. Live it, learn it, love it.

---

I know exaggeration very well, as much as I know that it determines the fact that your arguments are just strawman arguments and as such, completely void. Again, when you'll be able to counter my points, and not your imaginary version of them, do come back.

Quote:

---

Also, seeing as how you compared yourself not getting into alpha to the sinking of the titanic

---

Oh really? where did I? DO quote me, please. Wait. I didn't.

Are you getting so desperate that you're moving from exaggeration and strawman arguments to plain falsehood and lies?

The rest is just another chain of petty personal attacks. So I'll refrain commenting on it. Unfortunately for you, you can't talk for everyone (as much as you'd like to). Let me quote:

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Recycler

That is because he's one of the very few (in fact, I can't think of anyone else right now) who are both willing and capable of presenting a well-founded argument, even with the knowledge that there are people like you who continually try to shut them up with a combination of bashing, silly images, straw man arguments, general nonsense, and more.

I for one did take part in such discussions once upon a time just like Abriael does now, but I grew tired of it. I'm happy he is involved with these forums. His name alone stands for high-quality posts, and I would skip reading entire threads if it wasn't for him.

---

It's quite obvious that there are people that appreciate my posts, and that alone makes the insults of a few misguided individuals that can't express a concept without personal attacks absolutely void of any value in comparison.

To put it down simply, all the virtual ink you waste to insult me is just that, a waste, and it makes you look none the better.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by ispano

Man, people STILL attacking this guy? It's like they just want to for the sake of doing it. We get it, you don't agree with him. Yet you still attack him, try to say his opinion, a well thought out one I might add, is "wrong". When you debate opinion vs opinion, you don't start flinging mud in an attempt to scare away or change the opinion of your opposition, it just makes you look childish.

---

Why, thank you.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by SkyeWindbinder

I never said they were doing any damage. In fact, quite the contrary. I'm Laughing my butt off at them while calling them out for being just a bunch of QQing. No harm done. At least not on my end.

---

Then why are you attacking him over his opinion?

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by EinSoFZ

When they took your last payment for 1.0, you ceased to be a customer in fact.

---

The service hasn't been interrupted (this very forum is part of that service) and the company waived payment unilaterally. This means we're still customers.

Quote:

---

Yeah, but this isn't a finished product or anything. Getting all up in arms over nothing makes you look like a child who can't control their emotions. You're mad because you can't play? Show a little class and go about demonstrating that in a mature way.

---

I sadly withdraw my remark about your ability to make a counterpoint without personal attacks.

Quote:

---

truth is that we can only do so much.

---

Exactly. And I'm doing exactly that much. Offering criticism.

I'm not insulting, attacking, holding anyone at gunpoint, placing bombs on the lawn of SE's offices, threatening to ragequit. I'm just offering criticism, which is, mind you, my prerogative.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Gramul

Then why are you attacking him over his opinion?

---

Can't attack the opinion itself. Attack the person. Old and trite forum trick.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Gramul

Then why are you attacking him over his opinion?

---

I wasn't at first. I simply stated at the beginning that just because he didn't get into alpha doesn't necessarily mean he's been slighted or mistreated. He started to insist he was. I still insisted he didn't. He got ticked off, and started accusing people of "attacking him" and that people who disagreed with him were merely "fanboys of SE/Yoshi". I started laughing at him for it. He QQed and ranted some more. I laughed some more. It's a strange relationship, me and Abby have. lol

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by SkyeWindbinder

I wasn't at first. I simply stated at the beginning that just because he didn't get into alpha doesn't necessarily mean he's been slighted or mistreated. He started to insist he was. I still insisted he didn't. He got ticked off, and started accusing people of "attacking him" and that people who disagreed with him were merely "fanboys of SE/Yoshi". I started laughing at him for it. He QQed and ranted some more. I laughed some more. It's a strange relationship, me and Abby have. lol

---

Then you didn't really understand what he was saying and assumed he was making the argument based on not getting accepted. You insisting that's the reason is just an assumption. And continually doing it can be seen as an attack. Because you're basically calling him a liar when you have no proof of such.

http://img10.imageshack.us/img10/15/...agoonfight.jpg
Black Lagoon

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by SkyeWindbinder

I wasn't at first. I simply stated at the beginning that just because he didn't get into alpha doesn't necessarily mean he's been slighted or mistreated. He started to insist he was. I still insisted he didn't. He got ticked off, and started accusing people of "attacking him" and that people who disagreed with him were merely "fanboys of SE/Yoshi". I started laughing at him for it. He QQed and ranted some more. I laughed some more. It's a strange relationship, me and Abby have. lol

---

So you're just riling him up for personal pleasure? Trying to upset someone so you can laugh at them?

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Gramul

So you're just riling him up for personal pleasure? Trying to upset someone so you can laugh at them?

---

I'm not trying to upset him, he's already upset! lol I'm just laughing at him for it. I know, I know. That makes m a terrible person. But if he'd really learn to just relax and understand his not getting into alpha is not really the end of the freakin world and SE is not picking on him for not letting him in, he'd be better off for it. Until then, yes, he is a small source of entertainment for me. (shrug)

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Abriael

I sadly withdraw my remark about your ability to make a counterpoint without personal attacks.


Can't attack the opinion itself. Attack the person. Old and trite forum trick.

---

Ehhh in my posts I don't refer to individuals on forums. I wasn't literally referring to you, but to the general audience who actually comes here mad as hell they didn't get into alpha and goes about showing their rage in all the wrong ways. Although I laughed so hard at the mere suggestion of what Square-Enix staff "better" do.

I'm sorry you got the wrong impression, but only kids need to boost their argument by using personal attacks. That's my belief on it, so I'd never personally attack someone unless I could attach the term and have everyone agree it described them.

Overall, I just disagree with your interpretation of things and I also don't agree with your reaction. By calling you Joan of Arc, in case you took offense to that, my intention was to show that you'll have done all of this criticism of their methods during alpha for naught at the end of the day.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by SkyeWindbinder

I wasn't at first. I simply stated at the beginning that just because he didn't get into alpha doesn't necessarily mean he's been slighted or mistreated. He started to insist he was. I still insisted he didn't. He got ticked off, and started accusing people of "attacking him" and that people who disagreed with him were merely "fanboys of SE/Yoshi". I started laughing at him for it. He QQed and ranted some more. I laughed some more. It's a strange relationship, me and Abby have. lol

---

More lies and misrepresentation, isn't it?

I never insisted that I was "slighted" or "mistreated". As a matter of fact I never used those terms, or even talked about myself.

I do think that SE isn't considering the feedback of their loyal fanbase enough, but that's pretty far from being "slighted" or "mistreated".

I never got "ticked off", as your petty attacks and insults are nothing more than that. In fact, you never once managed to trick me into repaying you with the same coin, no matter how much you tried.

I never accused "people who disagreed with me" to be "fanboys of SE/Yoshi". I very much dislike accusing people of being "fanboys", because I'm too often defined like that.

I believe I only described starlord as a white knight once, and that's because he was grasping at straws reeeeeeeeeeeally really hard (saying that making "professional videos" is costly, pointing at the extremely simple alpha videos we're getting).

But do go on inventing this new and amazing alter ego of mine. I wonder what lies you'll come up next.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by SkyeWindbinder

I'm not trying to upset him, he's already upset! lol I'm just laughing at him for it. I know, I know. That makes m a terrible person. But if he'd really learn to just relax and understand his not getting into alpha is not really the end of the freakin world and SE is not picking on him for not letting him in, he'd be better off for it. Until then, yes, he is a small source of entertainment for me. (shrug)

---

So you're getting off on his distress.
Schadenfreude.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Abriael

More lies and misrepresentation, isn't it?

I never insisted that I was "slighted" or "mistreated". As a matter of fact I never used those terms, or even talked about myself. I never got "ticked off", as your petty attacks and insults are nothing more than that.

I never accused "people who disagreed with me" to be "fanboys of SE/Yoshi". I very much dislike accusing people of being "fanboys", because I'm too often defined like that.

I believe I only described starlord as a white knight once, and that's because he was grasping at straws reeeeeeeeeeeally really hard (saying that making "professional videos" is costly, pointing at the extremely simple alpha videos we're getting).

But do go on inventing this new and amazing alter ego of mine. I wonder what lies you'll come up next.

---

Yeah yeah yeah, next you'll deny that you're crying and butthurt over not getting into alpha. Then you'll start crying some more and being butthurt over not getting into alpha, then I'll laugh at you for being a butthurt crybaby over not gettng into alpha, then you'll deny you were crying... wash, wrinse, repeat. I know how it goes by now, Abby. The same old song, the same old dance. lol

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by SkyeWindbinder

Yeah yeah yeah, next you'll deny that you're crying and butthurt over not getting into alpha. Then you'll start crying some more and being butthurt over not getting into alpha, then I'll laugh at you for being a butthurt crybaby over not gettng into alpha, then you'll deny you were crying... wash, wrinse, repeat. I know how it goes by now, Abby. The same old song, the same old dance. lol

---

And what would you do if he wasn't doing those things? If what he was arguing was purely legit and all you were doing is making false assumptions?

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Gramul

So you're getting off on his distress.
Schadenfreude.

---

(hangs head) Yes, yes I am. I have no excuse. What can I say? lol

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by EinSoFZ

Ehhh in my posts I don't refer to individuals on forums. I wasn't literally referring to you, but to the general audience who actually comes here mad as hell they didn't get into alpha and goes about showing their rage in all the wrong ways. Although I laughed so hard at the mere suggestion of what Square-Enix staff "better" do.

I'm sorry you got the wrong impression, but only kids need to boost their argument by using personal attacks. That's my belief on it, so I'd never personally attack someone unless I could attach the term and have everyone agree it described them.

Overall, I just disagree with your interpretation of things and I also don't agree with your reaction. By calling you Joan of Arc, in case you took offense to that, my intention was to show that you'll have done all of this criticism of their methods during alpha for naught at the end of the day.

---

Apology accepted. I offer criticism with no expectation or demand of it being considered or adopted. If they will consider it, great. If they won't, at the very least I tried.

Considering how many suggestions i and other gave for this game and the next, and the percentage of them that are actually adopted, we do a TON of things for naught on this forum. It's really no reason not to let our voice be heard.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by SkyeWindbinder

Yeah yeah yeah, next you'll deny that you're crying and butthurt over not getting into alpha. Then you'll start crying some more and being butthurt over not getting into alpha, then I'll laugh at you for being a butthurt crybaby over not gettng into alpha, then you'll deny you were crying... wash, wrinse, repeat. I know how it goes by now, Abby. The same old song, the same old dance. lol

---

I simply denied things you falsely accused me of having done. The forums are open to everyone and my posts are there for everyone to see. So it's pretty evident that now you're resorting to lies to try and misrepresent my person.

That's honestly quite low.