Tales from Duty Finder: Some make you laugh, some make you cry. Let's vent.

I caused a duty finder nightmare for some poor healer this last week. Ported into 50/60 roulette as WAR with two FC mates as BRD and NIN, got Copperbell Mines HM. All three of us know how to speed run this dungeon, so I just went for it. Problem is... I have names off and was distracted by voice chat at the start of the dungeon, so I totally missed the message about the poor PUG White Mage being new to the dungeon (and being a sprout too... I'm so sorry...)

So I start off, pull the first pack and /wave the healer onto the elevator so we can skip the Coblyns. Charge past the next skippable pull without saying anything, then proceed to pull the hell out of everything on the walkways at sprint, leaving the healer scrambling to catch up (by this time, she must have already been like "WTF is going on"). First boss, I have an inkling that she's not up-to-date on what we're doing here, but I also was super tired and didn't want to explain every single thing in a less than 15 minute dungeon. So I dropped a waymarker where I wanted her to stay and just said "Don't move from there." To her credit, we cleared it in one go with only one death, but I'm sure that was a very hectic 1:30 seconds of flame and bomb AOEs... XD

We pull through to the second boss and I make the big mistake of not telling her not to touch the enemies in the room with the miners... Me and the two DPS go sailing past... She hits the enemies instead of running with us. D'oh! By the time I get back to her, she is hella dead, and now has to run back through all the enemies we left untouched on the first go-through. TvT (That went about as well as you might imagine.)

Took a while, but we made it to the second boss. Trying to explain this one is weird anyway, and I was hoping she'd have that innate fear of Bombs we should all have by this point, so I did the incredibly stupid thing and pulled without explaining. She was almost immediately killed by accidentally standing in one of the Bomb's AOEs. We wipe from lack of heals afterward, which all three of us in the voice chat agreed we deserved. I explained enough the second time and we went through just fine.

Finally, the final boss. At this point, I can only assume this healer is silently stewing in a deep-seated rage and hatred for me, confused beyond measure and maybe like all of two clicks from trying to kick me for forcing a speed run and getting her killed so many times... So what do I do? I pull the final boss without explaining anything, that's what I do! (To be honest, at this point I was so amused by our repeated silly failures that I was almost committed to sailing that ship straight into the impending iceberg.)

You can guess what happened! Yes, we wiped. The healer did not know the adds cannot be tanked and ran them away from the DPS and myself. The DPS were lazy about feeding the worm, which the healer clearly did not know how to do... Another well-deserved wipe.

All in all, it took us longer to clear than if I had pulled everything one pack at a time, and I don't think the WHM had any better idea of how to speed run that dungeon at the end than she did at the beginning.

But somehow, after all of that, she comm'd me. The guilt I feel to this moment is haunting.

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Originally Posted by sarehptar

But somehow, after all of that, she comm'd me. The guilt I feel to this moment is haunting.

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Maybe I'm a cold-hearted jerk but I wouldn't feel bad for getting that comm if I personally played well. (And honestly, by 50, you should know NOT to do some of the stuff she did; specifically, running away with adds and standing in bad.) If you all commed her for being a good sport in a hectic dungeon run, then it's fair IMO. And you never know, maybe she didn't mind going into the fights blind. I personally hate it when people spoil mechanics for me before I have a chance to see them myself. When I go into DF and see a newbie I stay quiet and let them see for themselves unless they ask. And for Trials, I'll offer to explain stuff but otherwise I am okay with pulling and seeing what happens. Experience and failure are the best teachers after all.

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Originally Posted by Anarnee

I've noticed this is like the new norm... I think that SE needs to explain somewhere in an obnoxious way how provoke works. I see tanks just WASTE it to pull or when they already have aggro. .__. Then when someone pulls off them they don't have anything...
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Oh! I have an idea. Give all tank classes at least one instance--even if it means adjusting old ones--per set of quests per level range where they have to pull a mob from a range. If they try pulling with Provoke then the mob explodes for 999,999 damage, and the tank is treated to a special duty failure scene where the remaining mobs, and a few GM-looking NPCs come in and point/laugh at the tank's dead body.

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Originally Posted by Hestzhyen

Maybe I'm a cold-hearted jerk but I wouldn't feel bad for getting that comm if I personally played well. (And honestly, by 50, you should know NOT to do some of the stuff she did; specifically, running away with adds and standing in bad.) If you all commed her for being a good sport in a hectic dungeon run, then it's fair IMO. And you never know, maybe she didn't mind going into the fights blind. I personally hate it when people spoil mechanics for me before I have a chance to see them myself. When I go into DF and see a newbie I stay quiet and let them see for themselves unless they ask. And for Trials, I'll offer to explain stuff but otherwise I am okay with pulling and seeing what happens. Experience and failure are the best teachers after all.

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Yeah, I can definitely respect that. I usually ask if I see someone new whether they want explanation. It was just more in this case, it was really obvious she needed tips to prevent wipes, and I could have provided that explanation and prevented those wipes... and I just didn't because the confusion and mishaps were entertaining to us in the voice call. I still do feel bad though, thinking it might not have been as funny from her side! D;

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Originally Posted by VanilleFang

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Always willing to hang out with friendly adamantoise friendlies :)
And as to your story - seems like a common thing with healers anymore.

I had a really fun run earlier! I'm still leveling BRD and decided to make a PF for 50/60. Got a DRK and an AST right away. We landed in Halatali (HM). Tank, myself, and the healer all chimed in that we haven't been there in a while. So what happens? The sprout we were with ended up explaining the fights. Oh, and did I mention that the three of us were all mentors?

Everyone had a really good time and there were a lot of jokes and comments going around. The DRK even added me as a friend afterwards in case I needed help in the future with roulette. Thank you new Cactuar friend!

Today I dived once more into the roulletes and got Tam Tara Deepcroft Hard as summoner.

Joined by a duo of sprouts - thought this was going to be intriguing - to add to that - I was joining a dungeon in progress....yet early start...hmmm

First boss - we kept getting our rear ends handed to us - which is funny cause usually we just burn our way through the boss - and now things are going horribly wrong. We all sit and scratch our heads...and via google we figure out what was missing - had a laugh..pushed through... second boss...did fine....still learning mechanics as we go hahah.

In the end we became a solid group and managed to get through just fine.

just goes to show - even as a seasoned dungeon runner - some of us cant remember jack squat for weird odd ball dungeon mechanics - but when you take the time to be patient and learn with others - you can have a blast doing it.

Just ended up leaving Doma Castle from a Balmung PLD who refused to use CDs and told me I didn't know how to heal because I wasn't stacking all 3 regens on him every pull (he wanted Regen + Med II + Asylum every pull and said he wouldn't need CDs with that). The problem: he couldn't hold hate even without regens, if I had put any on him I would have died since he was too busy complaining and just auto-attacking. I left immediately after the first trash pack after the colossus since he clearly isn't interested in actually doing his job. I've never needed all 3 regens up except when people do that suicidal first-boss to 2nd-boss pull. He also tried to do a double pack pull right at the start and literally died instantly when HG wore off, despite having Asylum + Regen up (with largesse). When you're taking more than your max HP in damage in a single tick, there's nothing I can do to save you.

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Originally Posted by Driskus

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Paladin Yells: ALL YOU NEED TO DO IS SPAM CURE 2 AND REGEN!

Healer: *hits paladin really hard in head with staff to knock him unconscious*

I realllly want to do that.....so bad.
I feel your pain...I really do. LOL
Stacking Asylum? That's a new one..half the time the damn tank doesn't stay put anyway. At least you didn't get told to spam holy WHILE doing all of that... RIP Manapool/cooldowns. :)

Slaved away this weekend and got my 99 susano/lakshmi tokens.

Boy, I'm so glad I don't have to deal with PF for these two instances anymore, and can now focus on Shinryu (and perhaps neo kill).

I'm so tired of these parties.

Lakshmi farm where no one seems to grasp the one relevant mechanic in the entire fight (vril, if anyone is not familiar with the fight), people randomly panicking with aoes and walking out the arena, people rushing to kill adds without vril, double-tank parties where the blue orb cleave still finds its way onto stray healers/DPS (who then have no idea what to do with it, or just don't even notice it's there).

Susano farms where tanks seem to have no idea what tank swaps entail, and when to do them (only grabbing aggro after the MT dies, or insisting that swaps shouldn't be necessary anyway - which is true, but if I wanted a solo tank party I'd have brought a fifth DPS along, not a second tank, damnit), no one moving to drop lightning on the other side of the arena, people not stacking under sword and getting hit by orbs, or repeatedly dropping cloud marker on the safe zone...

I'm just so, so glad I won't have to do either of those anymore. I'm not saying I don't derp, but wow, some of those parties are just anything but farm parties. I'm sure I'm going to have a lot of fun with Shinryu as well, can hardly wait for it. :^)

Not sure if people post PF shenanigans here as well or if it's mostly DF, but well! Just wanted to rant a bit.

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Originally Posted by NephthysVasudan

Paladin Yells: ALL YOU NEED TO DO IS SPAM CURE 2 AND REGEN!

Healer: *hits paladin really hard in head with staff to knock him unconscious*

I realllly want to do that.....so bad.
I feel your pain...I really do. LOL
Stacking Asylum? That's a new one..half the time the damn tank doesn't stay put anyway. At least you didn't get told to spam holy WHILE doing all of that... RIP Manapool/cooldowns. :)

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There's a lot of times I wish I could stun them right along with the mobs so they wouldn't have a choice but to stay in it.

Every level 70 roulette recently i keep encountering healers putting regen on tanks inbetween pulls.
Tanks dont cancel it of course which doesnt help and end result is packs of trash following healer while tank is running ahead to pull more.
Seen one healer with omega savage raid gear do this and then fake dc after dying.
Then another healer rage quit before last boss also.

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Originally Posted by Anarnee

I've noticed this is like the new norm... I think that SE needs to explain somewhere in an obnoxious way how provoke works. I see tanks just WASTE it to pull or when they already have aggro. .__. Then when someone pulls off them they don't have anything...

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Oh! I have an idea. Give all tank classes at least one instance--even if it means adjusting old ones--per set of quests per level range where they have to pull a mob from a range. If they try pulling with Provoke then the mob explodes for 999,999 damage, and the tank is treated to a special duty failure scene where the remaining mobs, and a few GM-looking NPCs come in and point/laugh at the tank's dead body.

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I would just like to point out that sometimes pulling with Provoke can be a good thing, most of the time you shouldn't but there are special cases when it is beneficial.

Provoke has a slightly longer range than Shield Lob/Tomahawk/Unleashed and can be very useful when you want to pull a group of mobs to a very specific spot but they are just out of range for your regular ranged agro grab abilities.

For example, I like to use Provoke to grab the last group of mobs in Temple of the Fist. Basically I tank everything on the stairs, not in the room, so that I can be lower down on the stairs with the mobs between me and the rest of the group being farther up the stairs. This makes it so I can trigger and dodge all the AoE causing fireballs while the rest of the group doesn't have to bother with them at all.
The regular ranged agro ability has too short of a range and I would have to run far into the room to tag them with it, while Provoke I can grab them from the bottom of the stairs, requiring minimal readjusting.

However, yes most tanks that are doing things like pulling bosses with Provoke or throwing it out in the middle of a fight (unless you are doing the Provoke -> Shirk combo with your co-tank) likely do not understand how the ability works and think it works the same as in other MMOs.

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Originally Posted by Metalwrath

Every level 70 roulette recently i keep encountering healers putting regen on tanks inbetween pulls.
Tanks dont cancel it of course which doesnt help and end result is packs of trash following healer while tank is running ahead to pull more.
Seen one healer with omega savage raid gear do this and then fake dc after dying.
Then another healer rage quit before last boss also.

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I've seen this a lot since SB's release. I have even asked some DF healers why they keep doing that and pretty much I have been told that "a good tank should be able to just deal with it".

I don't really mind that much if I get loaded up with a Regen and Med 2 before a boss pull since my agro opener generates enough agro that it won't matter but it can get a bit hairy in large dungeon pulls. If the healer does grab agro in a large pull because of Regen and they sprint to keep up with the tank, avoid taking damage by outpacing the mobs and do a clean pass off at the end of the pull, it's fine. If they stop in the middle of a pull because they pulled agro and let the mobs chew their face off, all while ranting and raving, well they really should reevaluate what they are doing.

I've done two dungeons so far today and both acted as a reminder why I normally refuse to use the DF for any dungeon if I'm not the tank or dont know the tank personally. Why I'm queuing for a dungeon again right now I dont even know myself...

But to start at the beginning: My level 68 samurai needs exp and my orchesterion the songs from Shisui and Bardams so I figured I'll just queue up for those two dungeons for a change (a change being something but Sastasha and Toto-Rak, two dungeons the leveling roulette insists on).
Shisui pops first and the warrior is raising red-flags: Padjal-axe, not one piece of left side equip is higher than 240, a Makai-ring (235) goes great with the primal (230) one! All in all he has about as much HP than I do. With defiance on. Now you'd think "At least they had defiance on!" (a thought I'll have during my next run, wait for it) but it doesnt help much - both me and the MCN (whos rocking a NQ-ilvl255 weapon... seriously does no one know about poetics gear?!) are ripping aggro left and right.
Tank pulls the first two groups and dies - followed by something in party-chat that I didnt quite understand: "i jebaited you by using my def cds all at once" - apparently directed at the healer, but I dont even get what they were trying to say. I get ready to defend that healer though, just in case the tank is trying to blame them. Nothing more happens though, so I resort to suggesting better gear for the tank at the end...
Oh and ofc this warrior "pulled" with provoke. They didnt actually use it to engage the boss but rather hit it 10 seconds into the fight or so when they already had it...

Since I dont wanna see another Shisui, I only queue for Bardams. The tank this time is a DRK... with full shire gear plus this one extra odd ring. Red flag: Someone who bought a jump potion!
And indeed: The DRK cant hold aggro, isnt using CDs, turns off his tankstance after the first death, turns darkside on and off... obviously he lost aggro to me, the RDM and the healer the whole time. Hes also level 67. Even though be bought the jump potion he had 7 more levels to figure out the very basics of tanking. That he didnt annoyed me quite a bit, yet I still gave short, but polite explantions/orders in chat - basic stuff like "turn grit on" and "use your aoe-tank-move". He left without ever having said a word after our second wipe to trash-mobs - a wipe that happend half way to the first boss after about 2 minutes...
And I'd really like to feel sorry for that poor person who had such a horrible experience as tank that they had to leave a dungeon like this... but I cant help but be mad at them for buying a jump potion and then not bothering to figure out their class properly before going into a dungeon. Or at least taking/asking for advice once they're in a dungeon.

Bottomline... thanks PotD, thanks jump potions... for the blessing that those tanks (or any other class aswell) are...

I was queued for leveling roulette for a good long while and it finally popped!

Aurum Vale!!! Now, I don't mind it so I was hopeful I'd gotten a team that would just deal with it. I say hello.

The gate goes down and the healer pops a buff and then poof, suddenly the tank is gone. Then the DPS. Finally the healer.

So I am there by myself. A DPS queues in, and does talk to me but is soon gone too, since the did want to wait.

Finally a tank queues. They only say hello, and the newbie bonus text pops. Then a NIN. At this point I ask my NN for a healer but no luck.

Then finally a healer!!!! It is one of the smoothest runs of AV I've ever had. The Tank had to be an alt cause they new all the tricks of the dungeon. It was not their first time.

I then queued for 50/60 and got a bunch of Sprouts for it, and at the pulls with the ice wind the tank was standing in them. So I told them that they shouldn't cause it does DMG. The healer said they could handle it, but I just politely reminded that they could do more DPS if they didn't have to heal more. (And I only said this cause the healer was like DPS crazed and even pulled extra mobs.)

The second boss was a bit of a mess, but no one died and we beat it pretty quick. But the tank let me explain it to them more after, and it was really nice to see someone so receptive to advice.

It makes me happy to see old dungeons done correctly, and the mechanics not lost in a sea of dps burns.

I mean burning is great and all, but it sometimes is fast if you do it right!!

Queued up for leveling roulette with my WHM and got an in-progress Toto-Rak. There's a DRK and two MNKs in the party, one a sprout and the other an experienced player. I am immediately greeted with this:

https://i.imgur.com/ifRUsgu.jpg

They claimed they couldn't click it off because they were on PS4, which I told them I was on PS4 too and that they needed to use the touchpad. Why I was even helpful at that point, I don't know. I then say "This isn't going to fly when you're at a higher level", and they respond with, "I'm not going to tank at level 70" and then follow up with "I'm a healer main". Ummmmmm, ok. They did have AST at 70, so I don't know why they wouldn't want the benefit of Protect. Obviously it's not as important in lower level duties, but I've never once met a player who complained about having it.

We continue through the duty, with the DRK poorly maintaining aggro and running ahead, leaving at least one DPS trapped behind the webs every time. When we get to the turn where there is an optional room, the tank goes to the room but the two DPS run the other way and I follow them. The three of us continue fighting our way to the boss room and leave the tank to die. I've never let anyone die on purpose before, but that was so satisfying. The tank respawns at the start and is clearly not in a hurry to meet back up with us, so the experienced MNK says "Wanna go?" and I said yes. We beat the boss with the tank just watching and I wanted to commend both the DPS after that. :(

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Originally Posted by NephthysVasudan

Ouuu Your on Adamantoise...I'll come find you....you sound fun hehe. :)

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Well, I do try to be as pleasant as possible lol. But hey, since we're on the same server it's not impossible we'd run into each other eventually :D

A bit more cheerful, I had a Fantastic Soph EX bird farm last night! Thank you, Goob. and I made another today! I just want to remind you that great people lurk in the PF too!
And to my tank, I hope you get your bead!!! :)

I don't normally post, but okay this was a t i m e:


- Load into Brayflox on my BRD alt, because I'm masochistic and I have alts. (To my alt's credit, he is a cute catboy)
- Newbie tank, all fine'n well.
- Newbie MNK (coulda been an alt, idk)
- Mentor Healer (SCH)

So the first half of the dungeon is pretty fine and dandy, tank's doing smaller pulls which I really don't mind at all.

But he got lost a little out before the Eft boss, and that happens, it's w/e.

Mentor healer doesn't say anything (I didn't realize the tank was actually just a bit confused, thought he wanted the back chests with the Ziz bros). But instead of directing, chooses to pull half this entire expanse of mobs and drag them to the tank.

Healer dies instantly, tank is still a bit green so doesn't manage to grab all of them (some of them), and dies almost instantly because the incoming damage was too high for their gear to handle (plus, dead SCH and us other two don't have raises or heals available).

At first, healer plays it off as "I meant to point you in the right direction," cool, w/e, mistakes happen.

Happens again, tank is going the correct way with a little bit of prodding from me stepping in front of him and leading to the next pack (not pulling aggro). Healer is coming up, pulls three side groups of mobs (like, four efts and some pugils) and tries to dump them on the tank after running around in circles for a bit.

We wipe again, I manage to take a couple of the mobs with me. Healer is getting pissy at this point.

So we make the same approach a third time, but the healer is super far back and somehow manages to pull all the efts we skipped and all the pugils we skipped (ignored the bridge and just kinda ran through all the water).

At this wipe, he tries to pin it on the tank claiming the tank should've gone all the way back (with his own pull) and grabbed them all. Sometimes, sure, but this wasn't on the tank from my perspective -- healer should know not to pull all that, should know where to go to not pull all that (a few 70's but nothing to write home about), and this was the third time he did the same thing after being asked not to do so.

So he's tearing into this new tank, and I'm done being quiet and defend him from all that. Like, yeah, he *could* take the pull, but he won't survive it (SCH didn't seem to want to use either faerie anymore, and it's too much incoming damage for the lowishly geared tank to handle from a mechanical standpoint.

So the mentor pitches a fit and refuses to participate until we kick him, calling everyone morons and so on and so forth and...

God, I learned I really hate people like that.

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He meant jew bait. That warrior was basically trolling with the "haha I used all my stuff" bit. That's one nasty bout of bad luck with those runs though. x.x

Just had a run of Cutter's Cry, which was pretty standard fare as far as that dungeon goes. I.e. failed the final boss once b/c people couldn't do blue/violet, etc. What made me both laugh and cry was that the tank kept using the term 'proc' to describe debuffs and DoTs, instead of additional effects that are randomly triggered by abilities.

E.g. "Esuna the proc" when telling the healer to remove the sandworm boss' DoT. Also, "Ok Violet close and blue away, [healer] use selene for easier proc healing." Going by their previous usage, and Selene's aoe esuna ability, I'm assuming they also meant debuff/dot healing here too.

I kept wanting to go full Inigo Montoya on him, but I held back for wanting to complete the dungeon without an argument. XD

https://halfelf.org/wp-content/uploa...013/12/you.jpg

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...I really hope this doesn't start to become a new trend for 2018.

Well, World of Darkness.

WHM hasn't been using his HoTs (until the final boss when he used them after being told to and saying "We have been using them you just don't see it" and said "I don't want to use Medica II", etc. I was playing trash due to a mix of forgetting some of the mechanics and having a friend in meltdown. To the AST in our party, I don't know how coped with all that. I almost took the penalty in frustration at my own poor play.

And another one...
Turns out I've been having a bad past few days. I think the stress of everything is getting to me. I came across as arrogant, narcissistic, and egotistical in Labyrinth of the Ancients, and upset a lot of people. Didn't get kicked, nearly left (since it would have solved the issues). Eh, I aren't worthy of the mentor crown (even though it wasn't up). So I resign from mentorship until I can get my head sorted out.

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A tank... that doesn't want Protect? Even though it's basically free damage mitigation?

2018 is already shaping up to be beautiful I see. And I'm only just returning from my 5 weekish break.
I hope I don't get random Tanks like that for my Healer runs this year. But I probably will.

Anyway, since I'm here. There's a story I haven't shared yet from several weeks ago, but I'll share it now.

Cued up for Expert Roulette with my usual FC buddy with me as a PLD and him as a WHM. We end up getting a leafy BLM (Yes. He literally had the leaf symbol), and a RDM. Land in Temple of the Fist. The very instant the dungeon begins, both the RDM and the BLM take off before Protect is even being casted. As Protect is coming out literally just 1 second as the dungeon begins, I worry that the RDM and BLM are about to pull without the Tank and Healer up there with them. The BLM doesn't, but the RDM starts hardcasting Aero before I'm even there. Thankfully for him, Protect never takes long to cast and I was already on my way over before his first Aero spell went off. I Shield Oath on my way over, grab the first mob with Flash, and begin my usual pulling routine of 2 to 4 packs at a time in the dungeon since I know it's layout. (Sometimes pulling even more, due to being a PLD at the time)

At the very least, the RDM and BLM know what they're doing... for the most part. The BLM slipped up every now and then, but I could tell this BLM was at least trying, compared to the "Ice Mages" I run in to on occasion. When we reached the first boss, it became clear just how impatient the RDM really is. Before the mobs I've pulled are even quite fully cleared out and my resources have a brief chance to recover a bit, (HP, MP, TP, and skill cooldowns) the RDM throws up a 5 second countdown timer and is already standing in the boss room while the last few trash enemies are still dieing. (He/she did this for all the bosses too BTW)

"Who the hell does this RDM think he is!?" I quickly thought to myself.

After the boss, I make note to charge forward as soon as the boss is dead. I want to take a moment to slap the RDM for having the patience of a chipmunk, but I didn't feel like arguing at all, and I wanted the run to be done in reasonable time myself, so I just pushed forward. I pulled to the wall on this stretch, as I've noted that despite the RDM's chipmunk patience, things were dieing fast enough and everyone clearly knew what AoE meant. But as this particular mob is dieing, I note that the sprint icon just appeared on the RDM as the mob was down to their last few points of HP... and was already taking off from the rest of the group. This is where the RDM's impatience really shined.

The RDM is already aggroing all the next monsters on him and just keeps running forward. At this point, I wanted to put my controller down and bury my face in two palms whispering to myself "You're NOT the tank... I'M the bloody tank!" Instead of letting his/her arse die though, I quickly hit sprint myself moments after the mob we WERE beating down is all dead, so that my sprint buff has 20 seconds to it instead of 10 seconds. I BARELY get to the RDM in time to Flash the mobs off of him/her. (Thankfully, he/she wasn't attacking them yet)

The entire rest of the run goes without any hitches, even with the obvious impatience of the RDM. Some cold justice was served during the final boss fight, in which the RDM ended up taking a few too many AoE's and died. Technically bad, since the RDM actually did know how to DPS, but I felt it was some nice cold justice there for his/her earlier impatience. My FC mate quickly rezs him/her and we finish the battle without any other hitches, and he/she even thanked the party for the run. Despite his/her knowledge in how to DPS, I'll give you 3 wild guesses who didn't get my commend at the end of that run.

This wasn't one of the worst runs I've ever had mind you. It was more just eye rollish. The moral of this story is simply as follows: If you're any job that isn't classified as a Tank, DON'T RUN AHEAD AND PULL EVERYTHING! You're just asking to die if you run ahead in squishy armor. That RDM had better be thankful he/she had me and my FC mate as the Tank and Healer combo that run. The next tank(s) and healer(s) he/she works with may not be able to move fast enough to save his/her suicidal arse.

Nah. When DPS pull like that, I let them die. I'll forgive it once or twice, but if they are being deliberate, they get to die.

I wrote this in this thread some months back, I MTed all of Dun Scaith on my tank alt for the first time, and there was this NIN that kept pulling.

I saved them all the other times, but on Diabolos I finally let them have it, and told my team I let them die. Most of them were like "I'd have done it too." XD

Shinryu normal with 1 new person, 1st try 6/8 fall off to tidalwave , 2nd try tank and healer run straight off edge on tidalwave and other tank doesn't grab boss and wipe, 3rd try both tanks and 1 healer die to tidal wave and 4th try both tanks run off the edge again on tidal wave and wipe.

Decided to just take the 30 minutes penalty after that

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Originally Posted by Sekkei

He meant jew bait. That warrior was basically trolling with the "haha I used all my stuff" bit. That's one nasty bout of bad luck with those runs though. x.x

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Ah, thanks for the explantion!

And yeah, that was some special luck there >.<

At least one of my follow up runs in Castrum Abania was a lot nicer!
My samurai had hit 69 in the meantime and since I want the scholar-book from there, I queued up for it. I'm being greeted by the "one person is new message" and quickly notice that all three are french, but dont seem to belong together. I get a little nervous - I dont speak french and specially the second boss normally requires a little explantion, but... we'll see. For now the DRK charges in for a surprising big pull anyways. I get even more nervous - we're two samurais, the other one doesnt seem to use their AoE to much (or just figured out a better way to preserve their TP than I do, seeing them lingering around 90% the whole time) - but everything goes smooth.
We reach the second boss and I figure it cant hurt to at least throw in a short (english) explantion regarding the "get the same buff he has"-thing - and... it actually works! They listen - or at least follow waymarkers that I put up in the correct tower!
Encouraged by that I figure I'd give asking for the weapon a shot when we reach the last boss - the whole "I'd like that weapon, would you mind passing should it drop?"-thing. Very kindly all agree to pass on it should it drop!
Sadly the conclusion of the story isnt that my scholar-book dropped... but I was already pleasently surprised by all of them talking a little bit of english, responding to my english at all and agreeing on letting me have the book.

...and for the happy end: Me and some friends went into Abania again later for my samurai and our Khloe-books. And this time the scholar-book dropped. Ofc my friends had agreed on passing on it before - considering my 99-greed-roll I gracefully invited them to roll on it anyways...

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*snip* RDM that wants to be tank stories

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is this a trend? I was gone before SB launched and re-subbed last December, enjoying leveling up RDM myself, but I've been in at least 3 dungeons where the RDM would play tank running ahead and pulling mobs. I could imagine such pro-activeness works at expert levels but it just comes off as arrogance esp when the tank is a sprout who's probably just learning and being careful. and in lowbie dungeons where you can't even use vercure, it doesn't make sense when you're just adding stress to the healer.

I can see why people sometimes don't try their best in dungeons.. when you again see all the balances and heals go to DPS who aren't dpsing while you are aoeing, going nuts on dps and pretty much number 1 on damage but no buffs, barely any heals and see the carried DPS getting babied it's like " What the hell?" It's depressing. I dare not ask for any cards either cause I'd be the bad guy and get shit faced. And I know I was top damage in said dungeon because the tank barely could keep hate from me. Monks get no love apparently :c Why the monk hate astros? Seriously We want Balance... And tp when we're going nuts on aoe and you see it on ONE point. Stop feeding BLM cards who do nothing but ICE ICE ICE PLEASE.

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I can see why people sometimes don't try their best in dungeons.. when you again see all the balances and heals go to DPS who aren't dpsing while you are aoeing, going nuts on dps and pretty much number 1 on damage but no buffs, barely any heals and see the carried DPS getting babied it's like " What the hell?" It's depressing. I dare not ask for any cards either cause I'd be the bad guy and get shit faced. And I know I was top damage in said dungeon because the tank barely could keep hate from me. Monks get no love apparently :c Why the monk hate astros? Seriously We want Balance... And tp when we're going nuts on aoe and you see it on ONE point. Stop feeding BLM cards who do nothing but ICE ICE ICE PLEASE.

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Why hate on the Ast while the blame clearly lies with the BLM. In all honesty though I auto card based on role, I can't keep track of ally rotations. Best metric I can use is emnity.

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Why hate on the Ast while the blame clearly lies with the BLM. In all honesty though I auto card based on role, I can't keep track of ally rotations. Best metric I can use is emnity.

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Because the Astro is the one feeding the BLM. :c

In copperbell mines normal mode as an RDM last night.

Party composition is PLD, RDM, WHM, BLM (which is pretty awesome in 4 man content). First pull, no flash, me and BLM pull hate, blm leaves. Before I can say anything to the tank, off to the next pull. No flash again. I tell him to flash 2x just to build an enmity lead. He turns to me, bows, then "agrees wholeheartedly" with me. Next pull, no flash but he pulled 2 packs. So i decide to ask 1 more time. silence. Keep in mind, we have just 3 people. So i decide screw it, ill tank on my RDM. AoE everything, pull hate on everything. We win, no wipes. That WHM was a savage.

So, the moral of my story is this. Sometimes people need to learn through extreme examples. He basically added nothing to the group at all. After 2nd boss a SAM joined and we bascially competed for aggro the rest of the time. Fun times had by all.

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He basically added nothing to the group at all. After 2nd boss a SAM joined and we bascially competed for aggro the rest of the time. Fun times had by all.

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Why not kicked him? At least he got a free carry and maybe that's what he wants. A kick would've maybe a wake up call for the tank to do something for future runs, since he responded to your advice and ignored it, twice.

Copperbell isn't that hard but it's annoying to have the feeling to carry some through content because it's obviously. It's not that he tried to be useful ;)

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Originally Posted by duvvvv

is this a trend?

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I hope not. It's the only RDM I've seen that was serious about trying to be a tank in an Expert Dungeon, but if there's others out there like that, especially when they've got a Tank that actually knows how to be a Tank...

Might have become one during my 5 weekish break, but again, I hope not.

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Nah. When DPS pull like that, I let them die. I'll forgive it once or twice, but if they are being deliberate, they get to die.

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Believe me. I was very tempted to let it happen. Only reason I didn't let it happen was because I just didn't want to waste any time in that run. And sadly, some people still don't learn even if you let them die to their impatience. D:

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Why not kicked him? At least he got a free carry and maybe that's what he wants. A kick would've maybe a wake up call for the tank to do something for future runs, since he responded to your advice and ignored it, twice.

Copperbell isn't that hard but it's annoying to have the feeling to carry some through content because it's obviously. It's not that he tried to be useful ;)

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It crossed my mind, but then i figured if maybe others chimed in, he would get the hint. apparently not >.>

Well, that was an interesting in prog Library to end up in (hopping into a leveling roulette even with everything at 70 for some sweet clusters and Khloe points). No first-timers were involved.

Demon tome (where we started), kills RDM and WHM (former partly due to no healing from latter), and they start bickering. Guess I'm not leaving Defiance then. Me and the monk (props to the little sprout for his best efforts throughout) take the boss down to ~30%, monk dies (an unavoidable eventuality in that boss), I finish it up while the two mages keep shouting at each other.

Trash pulls and boss #2 go alright, then we get to the last boss.
Oh dear...
WHM apparently has some deep fixation in standing in pulsating balls. Keeps taking stacks from them to the point where they die from full health from the next pulse. This is eventually partially remedied by some very handholdy instruction using waymarkers, but she's still taking stacks...
RDM is apparently allergic to standing on platforms that already have 2 people on them. As in, a demon is spawning soon and the platform has 2 people already, but nope gotta shoot that Veraero.
The monk is at least trying, and owning up to his own mistake the one time a ball marker went unnoticed. Got my comm for being not nearly as bad as the other two.
Eventually cleared after 4 or so wipes. And I'm now confident I can WARtank that boss without any outside healing so long as no more than half the adds in each part get to spawn, and the spawned ones are killed fast.
I think I'll have to go get some tea after that...

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What is it with that dungeon these days? For the last 5 mentor roulettes I did as DRK, 4 of them were that dungeon. 3 before the first boss, one just before the second.

For some reason my alt attracts all the best people in duty finder. I do a leveling roulette as an archanist and get Sastasha and get greeting by a message from the healer (male Au Ra) stating the tank (female Au Ra) is new so go easy. Which would be fine and checking the tank showed a full set of shire gear and HQ right side, dolled up and glamoured into a bikini. Other than me mentioning the tank has no pants, nothing much was said the entire run. First pull the tank ran up to the mobs and stood there. It's not the first time and not the last this will happen. The other DPS and I stay patient, though antsy, and for the most part wait for the tank to attempt to grab the mobs with each pull. Halfway through the healer asks if it's okay to put Eos on sic and help with DPS. I wanted to say Eos didn't need to be on sic and you could literally dps the entire dungeon without having to heal. I just said I was fine with it instead. We still continue slowly through with the scholar healer just barely dpsing. I gave my com to the other dps and I got one as well which I hope came from him.

I would have been fine with this situation if it was a level appropriate tank. With one that's level 60 the two could have easily just unsynced it for the story. I don't really see the point in dragging two dps into it, only to have the power to kick them if they complain. I also don't see the reasoning in buying a level jump potion for your fist class when you didn't get the story one too. By the time you get to the level 60 content you are leveled for, you will be level 70 and all that exp would have been wasted or put into another class. They would have been level 60 by the time they get to that point in the story.

But hey, they broke up the usual female white mage/ male paladin routine nicely, so I guess that's interesting?

Dun Scaith last night for Alliance Roulette.

At the first boss, the big manta ray on the airship, and things are going ok. We get to the part where the boss lays down the icicles and you're supposed to line up with them to avoid being knocked off (the second time around). Well we kill it juuuust after knock back affect takes place.

Now, what we learnt was when the boss dies the icicles disappear instantly...but you're still in motion. The end result is all 24 of us being swept off and dying.

Luckily the boss arena is literally at the start so not far to run after the respawn but we all got a good laugh out of it.

Had a fun experience last night. My PSU started to die (I figured out later) last night and it happened to shut down my system during Expert Duty finder runs. The first run, I ended up with some folks from gilgamesh. One person (DPS) had an emergency and his friend (healer) asked for us to wait. Not wanting to wait in the DPS queue again I waited it out (10+ minutes). Was annoyed with the tank and the healer not wanting to kill the trash mobs ahead while we waited. Anyway fast forward to near final boss, my system crashes (first time) and I get it up and log back in within 5 minutes. Guess they were not as patient with me as I was with them and I was kicked. I have and old character on gilgamesh and was about to /tell them off but my system went "poof" before I could...

I also want to apologize to anyone else (not the the x2 gilgameshers) who did a DF with me last night while I was tank. I'm sorry I d/ced, my PSU kept shutting me down. Had to go and replace it. I hope you found a replacement tank.