Marriage feedback [inofficial Poll]

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Originally Posted by Warlock

You might as well go watch the live letter again

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There isn't a date as to when subjects may be discussed on the forums. Nor is this isn't the only discussion being had on the whole of the Lodestone Forums.

I'm still wondering about what countries with sizable gaming populations are also so interested in mmo content that they would be up in arms and ban FFXIV over this sole issue.

I haven't heard any, tbh.

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Originally Posted by Nix

Again, there was no point in your post except to be inflammatory. Please stop posting here Warlock, you're just making yourself look like a fool now.

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Look who's doing the personal attacks now.. and is not the first time. get over yourself, Yoshida clearly says when this feedback will be required and we are no less than a few months from that you are misusing the "he asked for it so we giving" he said the topic is EXTREMELY controversial for a reason.

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Originally Posted by Kallera

There isn't a date as to when subjects may be discussed on the forums. Nor is this isn't the only discussion being had on the whole of the Lodestone Forums.

I'm still wondering about what countries with sizable gaming populations are also so interested in mmo content that they would be up in arms and ban FFXIV over this sole issue.

I haven't heard any, tbh.

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There isn't a date set yes but he stated phases for it #1 launch of game w/o it #2 implement F/M weddings and #3 based on feedback SSM will or will not be added.

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Originally Posted by Warlock

Look who's doing the personal attacks now.. and is not the first time. get over yourself, Yoshida clearly says when this feedback will be required and we are no less than a few months from that you are misusing the "he asked for it so we giving" he said the topic is EXTREMELY controversial for a reason.

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The thread now is just to keep it alive in hopes it grab someone’s attention mainly. From what I could see in other forums beside this English one there was some discussion but not like on English forums so it’s all speculation of not hearing from the gaming population or other countries who find it controversial or whatever you view it. So really there couple of reason not much of a big deal to players from there or there satisfied with the answer that was giving to them but I could be wrong to tbh no one really does atm.

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Originally Posted by Warlock

Look who's doing the personal attacks now.. and is not the first time. get over yourself, Yoshida clearly says when this feedback will be required and we are no less than a few months from that you are misusing the "he asked for it so we giving" he said the topic is EXTREMELY controversial for a reason.

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505 in favor
138 in opposition

I realize this isn't an official poll, but I pretty sure "extremely" doesn't apply here. This conversation is in fact quite tame, due to the nature that this is a ceremony that is not official, between player avatars, and may be renamed to fit the game lore.

And really, I'm pretty sure they take a look at the popular threads to see what are the major discussions going on.

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Originally Posted by Kallera

505 in favor
138 in opposition

I realize this isn't an official poll, but I pretty sure "extremely" doesn't apply here. This conversation is in fact quite tame, due to the nature that this is a ceremony that is not official, between player avatars, and may be renamed to fit the game lore.

And really, I'm pretty sure they take a look at the popular threads to see what are the major discussions going on.

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Yeah but this is only the English side of the forums. Again US thinking they = the entire world. And i only decided to comment here again bcuz everyone jumping Twiddles' throat while trying to give a solution only bcuz he doesn't agree with the ones demanding this.

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Originally Posted by Warlock

Yeah but this is only the English side of the forums. Again US thinking they = the entire world. And i only decided to comment here again bcuz everyone jumping Twiddles' throat while trying to give a solution only bcuz he doesn't agree with the ones demanding this.

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Well which part of the world ARE you concerned with? Twiddle claimed there was a ramifications, well from where? From who? Twiddle said there would consequences, well what are they,?

As an out gay 32 years old gay man, this sounds more like an insult. Call it a sensitive subject if you will but this is only a controversial topic when you want to make it controversial. In this particular situation, if SquareEnix just launch the marriage function that allows all the get married to whomever they like, without mentioning about this being a "controversy", people probably won't even make a big deal out of it.

Why must 10% of the population always have to fight for what should be for them to begin with. Politician use it as an agenda, religion use it as an controlling method. Now should I be rejoice and thank your company for ALLOWING same sex marriage in the game, if that day happens? Should I give the developer a hero cookie for giving me such a privilege?

There are people who already deactivated their account over this; and you have yourself to blame for making this a controversy.

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Originally Posted by Kallera

Well which part of the world ARE you concerned with? Twiddle claimed there was a ramifications, well from where? From who? Twiddle said there would consequences, well what are they,?

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Err your just as guilty to your own claims and or justification of the issue you can only speak maybe for the english forums not entire community and unoffical polls can be deceiving if only a small % of comments that participated. As to the from where and from who well that be other players that you easily assume they take your stances which both side of this issue cannot claim atm.

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Originally Posted by odintius

Err your just as guilty to your own claims and or justification of the issue you can only speak maybe for the english forums not entire community and unoffical polls can be deceiving if only a small % of comments that participated. As to the from where and from who well that be other players that you easily assume they take your stances which both side of this issue cannot claim atm.

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So you cannot name any country that would ban this game?
Or any people that would cause "significant problems" for SE and its subscriptions?
But you assume they exist, and have such pull over SEs fanbase that they would shy away from Leviathan's existence, ignore the Miner's guild. Not bat an eye at the swimsuits, but would crawl out of the woodwork over this?

My point is this: what is the source of your "negative consequences?" Its like this amorphous thing, what is it and why should we base the game lore around its mores?

I don't get why making a fuss out of this for ARR, can't you just create a male or female character and marry it with ur buddy? Is there an additional effect or ability that will add to your character if you got married?

This just made me wonder, did they implement a same sex marriage in ffxi?

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Originally Posted by Warlock

There isn't a date set yes but he stated phases for it #1 launch of game w/o it #2 implement F/M weddings and #3 based on feedback SSM will or will not be added.

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There's nothing saying we can't give the feedback now, or at least compile it ahead of time so that when Yoshida is actively looking for feedback this discussion will already be there. It's not quite a "useless" thread considering it's likely caught the eye of a few of the reps and devs, just judging by the size of the thread and the subject.

If he's already seen this thread then when the time comes the views expressed here will likely be taken into consideration. It's not like he's gonna say "Well this thread was started before I wanted feedback so it's useless."

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Originally Posted by Messenger

I don't get why making a fuss out of this for ARR, can't you just create a male or female character and marry it with ur buddy? Is there an additional effect or ability that will add to your character if you got married?

This just made me wonder, did they implement a same sex marriage in ffxi?

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It's not quite a good fix to the issue. What if you want to get married after you've invested time into your character? What if you don't want to have your gender decided by a marriage restriction?

Just recreate a new character then, pretty sure you can invest another time into that new character, you already have no life, might as well :P Hey i'm not against same-sex marriage but i think we should just give it a rest and enjoy whats in the box that the game provide.

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Originally Posted by Warlock

Look who's doing the personal attacks now.. and is not the first time. get over yourself, Yoshida clearly says when this feedback will be required and we are no less than a few months from that you are misusing the "he asked for it so we giving" he said the topic is EXTREMELY controversial for a reason.

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How was that a personal attack? Did I call you a bilge-spewing troglodyte? Nope.
I stated a fact: you posted with the only intention of kicking up a storm. Congrats, you're wrong again.

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Originally Posted by Messenger

Just recreate a new character then, pretty sure you can invest another time into that new character, you already have no life, might as well :P Hey i'm not against same-sex marriage but i think we should just give it a rest and enjoy whats in the box that the game provide.

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They want feedback at some point, we're adding to a thread designed for that.

Players shouldn't have to create a new character just to take part in a feature other players can at will.

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Originally Posted by Kallera

So you cannot name any country that would ban this game?
Or any people that would cause "significant problems" for SE and its subscriptions?
But you assume they exist, and have such pull over SEs fanbase that they would shy away from Leviathan's existence, ignore the Miner's guild. Not bat an eye at the swimsuits, but would crawl out of the woodwork over this?

My point is this: what is the source of your "negative consequences?" Its like this amorphous thing, what is it and why should we base the game lore around its mores?

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What is your source of your "negative consequences" if SSM isn't implemented at all?

Hope it's not a repost but...:

Kotaku

For what it's worth, I don't care who you are. If you want same-sex marriage, have at it. If not, noone says you have to get married to the same sex. If someone wants it, then leave 'em alone, doesn't affect you.

(That wasn't aimed at anyone in particular, just saying my piece hehe)

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Originally Posted by Kallera

So you cannot name any country that would ban this game?
Or any people that would cause "significant problems for SE and its subscriptions?
But you assume they exist, and have such pull over SEs fanbase that they would shy away from Leviathan's existence, ignore the Miner's guild. Not bat an eye at the swimsuits, but would crawl out of the woodwork over this?

My point is this: what is the source of your "negative consequences?" Its like this amorphous thing, what is it and why should we care?

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I can ask you the same question to answer if was playable Iran, Egypt, for that matter they kill you. Your not an expert on other nations and nor am I so don't act like you have a grip on what can or cannot be ban in whatever country. Believe it or not and you and others might not like it there is company's that find traditional value important to them and they have a right to it same to other company's that have your set views. It not a matter of negative consequences maybe to them and I say maybe it a matter of there principle's something they hold dear to and if another company hold to your value same applies to you. Its about respecting both views something that human's have very hard time doing in this day and age <thanks media> is it fair no but that the world we live in with multiple views and beliefs.

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Originally Posted by Nix

How was that a personal attack? Did I call you a bilge-spewing troglodyte? Nope.
I stated a fact: you posted with the only intention of kicking up a storm. Congrats, you're wrong again.

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I'm not calling names nor talking directly to someone.. never did, on the contrary you keep at it.
You keep getting aggressive at my point of view

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Originally Posted by Warlock

What is your source of your "negative consequences" if SSM isn't implemented at all?

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Well, for NA players of this game, it seems the negative reaction would be about 506 people at the very least disappointed that they didn't implement it. Probably greater considering those who don't even visit the forums. I can't speak for the other regions, I think some people were keeping tabs on the Japanese thread.

Warlock, please try to state your opinions in a less hostile manner. You're free to post in this thread like anyone else but I'll ask that you keep things civil. Of course I would ask that of all here, including those particularly offended by what you've said. Everyone needs to calm down.

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Originally Posted by Warlock

I'm not calling names nor talking directly to someone.. never did, on the contrary you keep at it.
You keep getting aggressive at my point of view

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I'm far from aggressive, I really don't know where you're pulling that from.
The fact is for most of this thread, your posts have been off-topic and even when we'd said "Hey, go start up a new thread with this title" You still continue to come here, claim that posters here are just 'crying out to be accepted' irl. (don't make me find the quote just yet, cooking dinner! But I totally could e_e lol)
I've tried hard to get you to stop flaming everyone in this forum who is for it, but you still continue. You must be extremely bored.

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Originally Posted by Warlock

What is your source of your "negative consequences" if SSM isn't implemented at all?

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Answer. My. Question.

What is the source of your "negative consequences?" What is it and why should we base the game lore around its mores?

Did you want to defend Twiddle's assertions or not?

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Originally Posted by Arcell

Well, for NA players of this game, it seems the negative reaction would be about 506 people at the very least disappointed that they didn't implement it. Probably greater considering those who don't even visit the forums. I can't speak for the other regions, I think some people were keeping tabs on the Japanese thread.

Warlock, please try to state your opinions in a less hostile manner. You're free to post in this thread like anyone else but I'll ask that you keep things civil. Of course I would ask that of all here, including those particularly offended by what you've said. Everyone needs to calm down.

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I only copy pasted Kallera's answer bcuz it has two sides, How am i the hostile one?

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Originally Posted by Nix

I'm far from aggressive, I really don't know where you're pulling that from.
The fact is for most of this thread, your posts have been off-topic and even when we'd said "Hey, go start up a new thread with this title" You still continue to come here, claim that posters here are just 'crying out to be accepted' irl.
I've tried hard to get you to stop flaming everyone in this forum who is for it, but you still continue. You must be extremely bored.

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I don't know about you but the title reads to me Thread: Marriage feedback [inofficial Poll].
You call me a fool and keep asking me to stop commenting here bcuz i disagree with you , that's aggressive to me.
Flaming? are you for real?

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Originally Posted by Warlock

I don't know about you but the title reads to me Thread: Marriage feedback [inofficial Poll].
You call me a fool and keep asking me to stop commenting here bcuz i disagree with you , that's aggressive to me.
Flaming? are you for real?

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Well here's one of your posts, please tell me how this isn't flaming.

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Originally Posted by Warlock

Wait wut? O.o
In all seriousness this sounds like a desperate cry to be accepted ,you don't need to get married to prove something . If i was you i would worry about this stuff in RL first before demanding a fake version of it in a MMO

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Read the OP: it's a question on whether SSM or SM only should be in the game, that makes your "lolmarriagewut" posts offtopic.
We've already stated many times that we respect your opinion, but your opinion is misplaced. Seriously, start a new thread and stick a poll in it or something asking people whether they want marriage in this game or not.

I'm not asking you to stop posting because I disagree with you, not in the slightest, I'm asking you to start up another thread because the topic of this one is not should marriage be in this game at all. ~____~

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Originally Posted by Warlock

I only copy pasted Kallera's answer bcuz it has two sides, How am i the hostile one?

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You've been pretty hostile since post 1 here. I'm just asking you, along with everyone else, to calm down a bit.

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Originally Posted by Warlock

I don't know about you but the title reads to me Thread: Marriage feedback [inofficial Poll].
You call me a fool and keep asking me to stop commenting here bcuz i disagree with you , that's aggressive to me.
Flaming? are you for real?

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The title is marriage feedback but the entire OP and poll associated with it specifically pertain to the same sex marriage restriction, not marriage in general.

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Originally Posted by Kallera

Answer. My. Question.

What is the source of your "negative consequences?" What is it and why should we base the game lore around its mores?

Did you want to defend Twiddle's assertions or not?

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I answer your question a page back if that helped?

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Originally Posted by odintius

I can ask you the same question to answer if was playable Iran, Egypt, for that matter they kill you. Your not an expert on other nations and nor am I so don't act like you have a grip on what can or cannot be ban in whatever country. Believe it or not and you and others might not like it there is company's that find traditional value important to them and they have a right to it same to other company's that have your set views. It not a matter of negative consequences maybe to them and I say maybe it a matter of there principle's something they hold dear to and if another company hold to your value same applies to you. Its about respecting both views something that human's have very hard time doing in this day and age <thanks media> is it fair no but that the world we live in with multiple views and beliefs.

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Citation please.

The country's that would murder its inhabitants over a non legal ceremony between avatars likely has bigger problems with its judicial system than video games. Even if a country was that loony, that's no reason to base the lore of Eorzea around the sensibilities of theocrats,

I haven't heard of anyone losing their life over a rpg game in the middle east. Leviathan has been quite a mainstay you know in the series.

Back then, it doesn't matter what your character looks like, games are meant to be fun and enjoyable. Now, it's all about how realistic it can get and these folks want to put their whole culture in the game :(

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Originally Posted by Messenger

Back then, it doesn't matter what your character looks like, games are meant to be fun and enjoyable. Now, it's all about how realistic it can get and these folks want to put their whole culture in the game :(

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It affects more than just gay couples though; it also affects hetero couples that play the game but picked same gender characters based on aesthetic choice.

The easy thing would be to say "Start up a new character with a different gender".

But to be honest, they shouldn't have to :/

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Originally Posted by Kallera

Citation please.

The country's that would murder its inhabitants over a non legal ceremony between avatars likely has bigger problems with its judicial system. Even if a country was that loony, that's no reason to base the lore of Eorzea around the sensibilities of theocrats,

And again have they been putting people to death over the other ff games' content? Leviathan has been quite a mainstay you know.

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Seems you have very little understanding of the world we actually live in again thanks media I recommend you do some research on stuff like this there a big world out there outside your bubble you've built. Yes a country like Iran etc would ban a game like this if it had ssm marriage in it and if they could find you being open to it and if you lived in that country there be people not knocking on more like breaking in. There judicial system is not like here its run by sharia law were being gay is punishable by death and is most likely to happen etc also I could put some citation of actual videos of this but I do not want to put that kinda of graphics on this forums because it is not something suitable to show on here.

But you've miss the underline theme beside the example I've used It not a matter of negative consequences maybe to them and I say maybe it a matter of there principle's something they hold dear to and if another company hold to your value same applies to you. Its about respecting both views something that human's have very hard time doing in this day and age

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Originally Posted by odintius

But you've miss the underline theme beside the example I've used It not a matter of negative consequences maybe to them and I say maybe it a matter of there principle's something they hold dear to and if another company hold to your value same applies to you. Its about respecting both views something that human's have very hard time doing in this day and age

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However they've actively asked for feedback on this one and the wording certainly sounds like they're at least keeping the option open. If it was some principle they hold dear to them they would have said we're not doing it, deal with it.

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Originally Posted by odintius

Seems you have very little understanding of the world we actually live in again thanks media I recommend you do some research on stuff like this there a big world out there outside your bubble you've built. Yes a country like Iran etc would ban a game like this if it had ssm marriage in it and if they could find you being open to it and if you lived in that country there be people not knocking on more like breaking in. There judicial system is not like here its run by sharia law were being gay is punishable by death and is most likely to happen etc also I could put some citation of actual videos of this but I do not want to put that kinda of graphics on this forums because it is not something suitable to show on here.

But you've miss the underline theme beside the example I've used It not a matter of negative consequences maybe to them and I say maybe it a matter of there principle's something they hold dear to and if another company hold to your value same applies to you. Its about respecting both views something that human's have very hard time doing in this day and age

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Considering Iran is developing its own version of the internet to hide its citizens from the rest of the world, not to mention reality, I highly doubt anyone in that country will be playing XIV in the future. Besides, we really shouldn't be basing things on what is acceptable to extremist countries like Iran. Can we get back to realistic discussion please instead of outrageous hyperbole?

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Originally Posted by Arcell

However they've actively asked for feedback on this one and the wording certainly sounds like they're at least keeping the option open. If it was some principle they hold dear to them they would have said we're not doing it, deal with it.

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Why I'd said maybe I am not against this if they implement it or not and people do say thing just to appease other people they will say anything to you if it get you off there back example like politicians because in the end your just a voting block for them.

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Originally Posted by Wynn

Considering Iran is developing its own version of the internet to hide its citizens from the rest of the world, not to mention reality, I highly doubt anyone in that country will be playing XIV in the future. Besides, we really shouldn't be basing things on what is acceptible to extremist countries like Iran. Can we get back to realistic discussion please instead of outrageous hyperbole?

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Go back couple pages I used them as example IF they were not they are playing and yes the internet plays a good role in trying to stop it but not everyone so lucky.

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Originally Posted by odintius

Go back couple pages I used them as example IF they were not they are playing and yes the internet plays a good role in trying to stop it but not everyone so lucky.

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So because of what you think Iranian theocrats might do to gamers(but haven't shown they did) that you haven't connected to any other part of the Final Fantasy series (despite the absurd stretch you make in assuming they would be perfectly cool with Bahamut in prior games....) you would beholden the lore of Eorzea to the mores of Islam? That's not only ridiculous, but that ship has already sailed prior to XIV. The media jumps on gaming deaths all the time, yet you cannot provide an example to me of this particular abuse?

But no, we should all think of the tenant and values of the most zealous among us, when we develop stories and lore. Make sure our stories don't step in anything people might respect.

I prefer my fictions to be freer, because I know what fiction is.

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Originally Posted by Kallera

So because of what you think Iranian theocrats might do to gamers(but haven't shown they did) that you haven't connected to any other part of the Final Fantasy series (despite the absurd stretch you make in assuming they would be perfectly cool with Bahamut in prior games....) you would beholden the lore of Eorzea to the mores of Islam? That's not only ridiculous, but that ship has already sailed prior to XIV. The media jumps on gaming deaths all the time, yet you cannot provide an example to me of this particular abuse?

But no, we should all think of the tenant and values of the most zealous among us, when we develop stories and lore. Make sure our stories don't step in anything people might respect.

I prefer my fictions to be freer, because I know what fiction is.

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So you cannot name any country that would ban this game? I responded to this general question that you gave doesn't say to whom ffxiv is played at all it states that can anyone name any country that would ban and I gave you an example of a country. I suggest you go back and reread that part and Iran is extreme example to use I will apologize for that but ask better questions than that.

Page 118 please read full context of what I've said not just hit last page and think that is the full context of what I've said thanks.

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Originally Posted by odintius

So you cannot name any country that would ban this game? I responded to this general question that you gave doesn't say to whom ffxiv is played at all it states that can anyone name any country that would ban and I gave you an example of a country. I suggest you go back and reread that part and Iran is extreme example to use I will apologize for that but ask better questions than that.

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Well how about this then? Can you name a country which this game is localized for that would ban this game solely on the notion of same-sex marriage in a game. Let's narrow it down to countries that are actively supported by the developers.

The regions supported (going off the main website purely) are Japan, North America, the UK, Germany and France. Now also note that there are a good deal of Spanish-speaking players, some of which have moved to ask the devs to create a Spanish forum. So thus you could include Spain and Mexico, seeing as NA is already supported.

Out of those regions, those that concern the game specifically, which would create some huge outcry over the removal of the restriction?

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Originally Posted by odintius

So you cannot name any country that would ban this game? I responded to this general question that you gave doesn't say to whom ffxiv is played at all it states that can anyone name any country that would ban and I gave you an example of a country. I suggest you go back and reread that part and Iran is extreme example to use I will apologize for that but ask better questions than that.

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This is a discussion, not Jeopardy. Anyone could've used a theocratic country in the middle east or central africa, but is there a sizable grouo of mmo players or ff fans there? Why would the country's sensibilities have to be courted over the opinions of the players in this thread?

Iran is an extreme example, its also a poor example because there are other things in prior versions of the game that do not square with muslim mythology, but there is no proof of any issue between Iran and Square Enix. Either it has been living under a rock for many years and has only now found final fantasy series with xiv, or it hasn't and the theocrats saw the summons such as Ifrit , Bahamut, Diabolos and Leviathan as "meh".

Why would anyone have to make where they live and such even public.... if its a "matter of life or death" keep it secret? People arent required to tell everyone what country they live in nor what sex they are even... over-thinking the matter altogether.