47 ifrit kills, 7 garuda kills... NO SPEAR DROPPED AT ALL

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Originally Posted by Crescent_Dusk

When vanity slots come, some of those weapons look better/have better effects than some of the relics.

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Ok, what's your point? That makes them a WANT not a show stopper keeping you from progressing. If you WANT something bad enough you will grind it endlessly.

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Originally Posted by xSinful_Snake

You're post somehow implies that various weapons of a different class drop... How is that out 15 runs, I've never seen anything but Grimoire's & Swords, and ONE bow drop. That randomization is not very random IMO...

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Congrats, and out of all the runs I have done, I have seen a pretty even spread of loot... the thing about random is that you are more likely to get clusters and streaks. Here is some great reading for you on the subject of random:
http://www.empiricalzeal.com/2012/12...ess-look-like/

What you are asking for, is actually, for it to be LESS random, and MORE specific.

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Originally Posted by ChickensEvil

Ok, what's your point? That makes them a WANT not a show stopper keeping you from progressing. If you WANT something bad enough you will grind it endlessly.



Congrats, and out of all the runs I have done, I have seen a pretty even spread of loot... the thing about random is that you are more likely to get clusters and streaks. Here is some great reading for you on the subject of random:
http://www.empiricalzeal.com/2012/12...ess-look-like/

What you are asking for, is actually, for it to be LESS random, and MORE specific.

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No. I do not play casinos. I will not grind, and just because it's cosmetic doesn't make RNG grinds.

Get it through your thick head. RNG is garbage -- some dude will not have to grind for the same effort it took another person grinding endlessly to get a drop. And that's not acceptable design to me.

Effort should be rewarded equally.

I seen 3 spear drop and 24 guarda kills no smn book

I'm just going to say this...


HQ version of your weapon equivalent (Needed for Relic Weapon) is available on the auction house. It is -1 point worse than what you can get from Ifrit. Not a huge deal. Get your Relic. That is a definitive win and way better than a drop weapon. Stop relying on things to drop and do the better attainable items.

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Originally Posted by Gray_Spy

I'm just going to say this...


HQ version of your weapon equivalent (Needed for Relic Weapon) is available on the auction house. It is -1 point worse than what you can get from Ifrit. Not a huge deal. Get your Relic. That is a definitive win and way better than a drop weapon. Stop relying on things to drop and do the better attainable items.

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While that may be true, you wouldn't want to use the same weapon for the quest as your ACTUAL mainhand weapon. Since you hand it over to him when he asks for it, and they give you nothing in return. its like 2 or 3 steps later that you finally get the broken weapon (meaning you have to kill Chimera and run AK without a weapon), you then lose the broken weapon after you complete hyrda so you again need a weapon for the HM Primals. I just wanted to clarify so someone doesn't go buy the weapon thinking they will get to keep it throughout the quest.

But the point has been made that HQ crafts are pretty amazing! (assuming you stick materia in them)

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Originally Posted by Crescent_Dusk

No. I do not play casinos. I will not grind, and just because it's cosmetic doesn't make RNG grinds.

Get it through your thick head. RNG is garbage -- some dude will not have to grind for the same effort it took another person grinding endlessly to get a drop. And that's not acceptable design to me.

Effort should be rewarded equally.

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I never said it wasn't garbage... in fact I sided with you if you flip back a few pages on the subject, saying that it sucks that you either have full RNG or a (seemingly) endless token/currency grind. There is no happy middle. I guess that is what makes AK SOMEWHAT worth all the effort since it is the only place that really rewards on both fronts.

What I was saying was that RNG for vanity is perfectly acceptable because it isn't stopping you from moving forward on content. It's like those mount runs from WoW where you had a .001% chance for it to drop. You didn't HAVE to run the content for those mounts repeatedly... but many did. If you want it bad enough, you will put in the effort, if not, then oh well, there is plenty else to do.

Get the HQ version of your class, use it for a while til you get an Ifrit drop...profit? That's what I did.

How many people can afford the HQ version of their class weapon?

Not everyone was a loaded legacy player.

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Originally Posted by Raenryong

How many people can afford the HQ version of their class weapon?

Not everyone was a loaded legacy player.

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Maybe not, but everyone can still farm 50-200k worth of materia an hour. Dont ask how, just know that it is possible and that it requires 0 exploits to accomplish. The most I made in one hour was 250k and that was just due to lucky assimilations.

Psh, I have a bow, a spear, my ax, pally sword, and the blm staff... think a book or two. We farm it for FC members when they pop 50 to give them a decent weapon slot. Everyone I know in guild got their weapon the day or two after they popped 50 besides one very unlucky healer. But he will get it tonight.

Sounds like you are having a rough time of it. Just think, it all will prolly even out and you will be the first on the server with some mega OMFG spear that will give you all the love and affection of MMO players everywhere.

I know how this feels, farmed garuda for a week since I don't work. I maxed out myth doing garuda alone. No spear but I almost have every other class's garuda weapon lol

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Originally Posted by Raenryong

How many people can afford the HQ version of their class weapon?

Not everyone was a loaded legacy player.

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Have you checked pricing?
All the HQ ilvl55 weapons were below 20k GIL last time I checeked/bought.

I craft a couple of them and sell for more than that - though yeah, they're not -too- unrealistic.

I'm not sure if anyone else has noticed this or confirmed this, but I think that the ifrit drops, at least, are on an hourly cycle. In 10 fights, over 5ish hours, it was 2 drops that were the same in a row each time. It was always a new hour based on when the duty started that seemed to determine which one would drop. So, 2 fights in the same hour gave us the same weapon as a reward.

It could be why people are never seeing their weapon and a lot of the same ones.

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Originally Posted by pandabearcat

This is a ridiculous thread.

For every one of those runs you did, someone walked home with a happy weapon, ecstatic that they got something.

You got super unlucky, and I feel really sorry for you, but this isn't a problem with the game.

Though, I wouldn't mind if it didn't drop a weapon if there wasn't a corresponding class in the fight.

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Clearly there is something wrong with the game if someone has to do that many runs of the same fight to get a drop.

I'm a BLM and i have done, between yesterday and today 26 Ifrit HM fights and have seen nothing but the same 3 weapons everytime. So 26-0...

A token system or some sort of system, infact any type of system would work apart from this.
Some poor guys on here have done far more Ifrit's than me and still nothing.

I wouldn't consider that luck, that's called absurd, absurd for SE to even think of such a system.. i bet SE themselves don't know how bad drop rates are for this.

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Originally Posted by Velev

Clearly there is something wrong with the game if someone has to do that many runs of the same fight to get a drop.

I'm a BLM and i have done, between yesterday and today 26 Ifrit HM fights and have seen nothing but the same 3 weapons everytime. So 26-0...

A token system or some sort of system, infact any type of system would work apart from this.
Some poor guys on here have done far more Ifrit's than me and still nothing.

I wouldn't consider that luck, that's called absurd, absurd for SE to even think of such a system.. i bet SE themselves don't know how bad drop rates are for this.

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This is just plain unlucky, a friend of my dit the Ifrit and Garuda runs many times about 30+ before he finally got his weapons from both, and my lucky break whas i got both weapons in both runs in the first try :cool:

...that's the whole point.

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Originally Posted by enil

Have you checked pricing?
All the HQ ilvl55 weapons were below 20k GIL last time I checeked/bought.

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All worlds have the same economy. oh..wait, that's not right is it..

Again, there are other ways to obtain slightly worse items than Ifrit to get you covered til you get a drop. I ran two FC mates through Ifrit last night, one being a MNK and the weapon dropped for him on our first run. It's a matter of chance. That's what roll systems are. There are no guarantees. At all.

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Originally Posted by Fuz

As I said somewhere else... at the moment I'm at 60+ Ifrit runs and a dozen Garuda. Never seen a lance drop even once.
I'm not able to express of extremely tired and deeply nauseated I am by this.

This is terrible design.

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Its called a random drop chance. All of the weapons have the same chance to drop you have just been having some bad luck. If you cant deal with that then you probably should not be playing an mmo or at least raiding.

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Originally Posted by Little_Gray

Its called a random drop chance. All of the weapons have the same chance to drop you have just been having some bad luck. If you cant deal with that then you probably should not be playing an mmo or at least raiding.

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NO ! They are not !
more than 40 ifrit and 10 garuda only saw a WHM weapon only 1 times. It is even worse for fuz. So not only back luck

47x Ifirit, a bow finally drops, another BRD in same party out lot me.... to add salt, that was his/her first time at Ifirit....

Yeah I don't know why they did away with the Primal tokens from the original system.

@kormethar: No, it is bad luck. Probability doesn't work by saying that if you're looking at an event that occurs 5% of the time, it will happen after 20 events - that's only true on average as you try a lot of times (50 is a lot for one person to do, but not really much at all in the grand scheme of things). Yes, it's very unlucky for someone to do 50 runs without seeing a drop. The chance for that is going to be pretty small (assuming there's a 1/9 chance for your weapon to drop, theres a 0.28% chance you won't see it after 50 runs), but it's actually a large probability when you consider that there are thousands of people trying to get their Ifrit weapons. On average, according to that 0.28% chance, roughly one in every 360 of them is going to be in a similar situation. So yeah, unlucky.

I'm not saying the system's a good one at all as situations like yours are inevitable under a random drop system, but that's how it works.

i enjoy these fights however i agree there needs to be something else in place weather its a token or increase the drop rate or one per classs something, please SE.

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Originally Posted by nekomtl

47x Ifirit, a bow finally drops, another BRD in same party out lot me.... to add salt, that was his/her first time at Ifirit....

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I don't like the idea of tokens to trade for a weapon. But this is one case that would absolutely infuriate me.

It'd be cool if they had tokens that would increase your roll based on the number of times you'd been there on a given job. That way 1st timers couldn't steal from people like yourself.

I was on the opposite end of this, I got my staff on 2nd try, and the other whm said it was his 20th try and I outrolled him. I felt bad, but I'm not going to pass on an item thats a huge upgrade after I put in effort also, you know?

I had a similar problem with guarda beat her 25 times and 9 times ifirt before, the funny thing is right after i posted on this forum, i went to help friends out with ifrit and i got my smn book drop XD. Then i got a bow and a schl book drop in a role ( since it is a pre made party they all left for me to have the items).
I just got my relics today, my suggestion get full dark light it will make up for the GC weapon you have and just go for titan hm. Know your patterns for the phrase 5 and forget about ifirt :O go for relic <3. I will never farm weapons like that again, lesson learned. The item you farm for will never drop XD.

You have a 1/9 chance of dropping your weapon.

If we go by what the OP, and many others have claimed, (8/9)^54 chance of never seeing your weapon drop.

Which is:

0.0017, or 0.17% chance.

DO you know how COMMON this is? that 17 in 10000 people will never see their weapon in 50+ runs, not to mention win it. Okay? Chill out, this is MATH. There are at least 10000 people running Ifrit I'm sure.

So you and the 17 unlucky souls here, well, I'm really sorry. I've only personally done Ifrit around 10 times, haven't seen my weapon drop any of those times, but meh. Its okay. Its not the end of the world. Breathe in, and just move on with your life.

This is RNG. It sucks, but we love and we hate it at the same time. This is how every MMO works.

I have gone 2 entire tiers in WoW, almost 200 boss kills, without ever seeing a shield drop. You can view my armory, I'm using a healing shield to tank >.<

Such is MMOs.

I can repeat once more- drop rate is 100%. Each kill we can see drop. But randomizer itself is not random enough. Developers need to fix it, so it will be more fair and random spread of drop

I tried Ifrit HM , 15 times now.. and 15 times with Random Duty Finder peeps.
The math doesn't equal out to the success / fail rate . If you never see a coffer how the hell do you pop a coffer.
I think I Killed that damn Primal 2 times. out of 15 Mostly due to people Leaving / Quitting.
I am quite sick of it already. If there is no way to move forward with game content until weapon drops ... then why should I pay SE 15.00 a month.
This needs fixed. Offer a consolation prize = tokens to be able to buy your weapon from NPC after 50 runs win or fail.

That's not random - it's called random for a reason.

Anyway, here's a chart I came across that shows the expected amount of runs for you to have a 50%+ chance of getting your weapon:
http://i.imgur.com/nZKWTAE.png

Oh, and for people that are saying they can't progress until they've for an Ifrit weapon, that simply isn't true. If you buy a HQ version of your relic base weapon from the marketboard then you're only missing out on 1 damage and a few stat points. Alternatively, running Wanderer's Palace will get you a weapon just as good as the HQ relic base.

I killed garuda over 40 times in attempt to get the sword. I gave up and just got a Curtana.

Yeah I've done 30 garuda runs this week, didn't really count the 2 weeks before. Never seen the lance drop once.

I have however managed to win the blm, pal, scholar and monk weapons. So at least the classes I don't play will be geared.

As a note, had 10 runs in a row where only DoM items dropped, they seem to be far more common (for me anyway) in Garuda runs.

One of the few times I've beaten Garuda and the Talons dropped to me when everyone left.

Did I mention Pugilist is still at level 15? Is SE telling me to drop PLD and BRD or something?

Something tells me that chart is a lie, being a collection freak, I am up to 36 Ifrit runs and have yet to see the axe once. RNG is RNG, you'll get it eventually of course.

I wish I could even run Ifrit that many times let alone get a drop. Every group I join something goes wrong. Just joined a game after waiting 40 mins just to have a tank leave upon it beginning and so the party disbanded.

I suppose this is not the thread where I should mention that the first time I killed Ifrit the Paladin sword dropped for me and the only time I killed Garuda the Paladin sword dropped for me as well...

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Originally Posted by Desolas

It's 2013, stop relying on RNG for these endgame drops. Make a chest for each party member with a random reward inside. Otherwise do what Blizzard did with heroics and add tokens for the unlucky. It still takes time to get anything but it won't be handing the weapons out like candy.

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That first idea is terrible. It's actually what we had when Ifrit first released. Know what's more frustrating than seeing 0 Ifrit Blade drops? Seeing them go to someone else every time, or seeing them drop on the ground because they went to someone that already has them.

The token idea isn't bad, but honestly, we already have that for everything but weapons, anyway.

I feel your pain, OP. I needed the spear too.. And I had to kill Ifrit 3 times and Garuda even 6 times to get both of them. I think the game hates us.

In all seriousness, that's RNG for you. And the chances in this game aren't even so bad - a weapon drops EVERY time. The last game I played required you to clear a 30+ minutes dungeon, the chance of the boss dropping a weapon was not 100%, like it is in FF14. It was around 2%. Now devide the 2% by the amount of classes (I think it was 8) and there you have your chance of getting your weapon. And NOBODY ever complained and QQed about it. First, it gave people something to do, to look forward to and to grind for and not quit after 1 month. Second, if someone had that weapon people actually held on, viewed them, congratulated them. Third, it made people feel rewarded. A feeling that I for some reason didn't have when I got my relic. The amount of Ifrit, Garuda and Relic weapons in this game makes me miss my old game so much.

Honestly, after reading some of these posts, I wonder if you people have even played MMO's before : /

Well over 50 Ifrit kills in 1.0 and about the same for Garuda before I got the weapon I wanted. And I'm not even mad. The feeling when you get the drop makes up for the time. I hope they never implement another token system. Grinding for DL and AF2 gear is already horrible. Now we should be grinding tomes for our weapons too...?

No, no, no no no.