Warning to all those who play this game for story.

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Originally Posted by Riviere

There should be an option in the DF to prevent disagreements.

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The trouble is that defeats the purpose... at that point they may as well simply remove the tombstones from the story dungeons. It is meant to be a mutually beneficial relationship: help players complete the story, get tombstones. However, instead of accepting the tradeoff that they need to wait a few minutes here and there for a cutscene, a huge percentage of players whine and moan about it.

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Originally Posted by Menubrea

If you're in the minority, no matter what reason, you're being inconsiderate by enforcing your own play style on others. Either you want to speed run, watch cut scenes or whatever else and the rest of the group don't agree, it's much more reasonable to do what the rest of the group wants. Or you could leave and make your own group. This is a multi player game, be thoughtful of what the rest of the group wants. It's not like any dungeon is labeled with THIS IS A SPEED RUN DUNGEON, or IF YOU SIGN UP FOR THIS YOU MUST AGREE TO WATCH CUT SCENES. Let the group majority decide, comply and be reasonable.

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If you want a say over what other players in your party do, form a group outside of the duty finder, and agree to what you are going to do beforehand. In a completely random pairing, it is up to each individual what they want to do, not a democratic vote. If a player is coming to the dungeon to complete the story, and not to get tombstones, it is unreasonable to tell them they need to skip the cutscenes. The duty finder paired you because your task is the same, even if your overall goal is slightly different.

Speed runs are certainly more complicated to deal with, because if the party can't come to an agreement then it's pretty much going to fall apart. I think that one is going to require some changes to dungeon rewards that make it actually beneficial to fight trash mobs. I don't like the idea of skipping through content in dungeons, but with the way that it's currently set up that is still my preferred method, because the "proper" way is sort of a waste of time and gil.

have been ok so far. No one rushing others, most watching cutscenes, those who didn't watch are probably not on their first attempt at it.

Castrum Meridianum cutscenes I don't mind skipping because there is way too many cutscenes for this dungeon. Also the cutscenes only show your character alone so nothing is altered when watching it in the Inn (and soon to be house)

However,

The Praetorium cutscenes are the real problem. The cutscenes for this dungeon and final moments of the storyline is created for a 8 member group to be part of the storyline. Each cutscene actually shows each member of your 8 member group running the dungeon with you but in the Inn it shows you going through this process alone rather than how it is original made to show you as a member of a 8 member raid group.

They need to make the Praetorium cutscenes to include the default NPC we see in the Benchmark take the place of the 8 member group so we can experience the Praetorium cutscene as they're originally ment to be seen when we unlock them for our Cutscene book.

There should be a pause as long as someone watches a CS. That way everyone is happy. I'll watch them regardless. This is a game, not a dictatorship.

Guess I'm going to be a jerk for watching the CS then. Tough. You don't like it make your own party of people who are in too much of a hurry to wait 1.5 min. It's a game that's supposed to be fun and I plan to play it that way.

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Originally Posted by Payadopa

There should be a pause as long as someone watches a CS. That way everyone is happy. I'll watch them regardless. This is a game, not a dictatorship.

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I dont think the time tick as someone watching the CS, because after get port into dungeon, everyone will stay in a circlet and cant do anything until the person watch CS is done or AM i wrong about the time ?

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Originally Posted by alexhatesmil

Ah. I might have been thinking of the first-time completion bonus, then.



I'd take fetch quests over parlay any day of the week. Plus, in 1.0, the level gap between story quests was terrible. By the time you got a new quest, you already forgot what happened in the last one. At least we've got a continuous string from 1 to 50 now.

That said, fetch quests are tiring and out of place for main scenario quests.

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AK gives 80, you forgot boss drops

Just to say, I ran into this first time when I got to Toto-Rak just Saturday... This isn't end game even but level.. 24-ish I think? I said nothing watched the cut-scene and suddenly see the "closed in 15 seconds". I didn't skip then, but just kept watching.

When I finally came out, the rest of the party had wiped. Well.. I mean. yeah. Duh.. You rush into a boss without your healer.. You are going to die. Sorry. That is just silly on your part. Someone said "You watch cut-scenes people die".. No no no. Backwards. You rush into fight scenes without your party, you probably die. Blaming someone else because you rushed in without waiting is dumb.

I have been playing every free moment non-stop since early access, and had already put in a good 18 hours even before that during open beta... And I am nowhere near end-game on any of my characters. Because I am taking the time to enjoy the game. Including watching every cut-scene when it happens the first time.

Even if all the videos are in the inn, which I haven't looked. It doesn't make sense to watch them later. They are story related. Which means if you skip them you still will go through solo-cut-scenes and dialogue later that make references to what just happened.. things if you skipped you wouldn't have seen! It breaks continuity. So yeah, just as when you are watching a movie with someone else who hasn't seen it. It is rude to fast forward to "get to the good part" and then tell them to "suck it up". If you have a room with 5 people, and 4 want to fast forward, you still let the one person who hasn't seen it it watch the whole thing. If you don't you are the inconsiderate one, not them. I mean yeah, if everyone has seen it, majority rules. But first time experience always trumps majority. Always. This is social life 101, not remotely something unique to game play.

I just made it to haukke mannor on main story, ive been going slowly, enjoying the game, exploring, learning again. Not had anyone tell me to skip a cutscene yet, but im sure the closer you get to the endgame dungeons the more chance this will happen.

I wont skip anything that I haven't seen before, and anyone that tells me to....well I just hope they have obscene language filter on :)

I watch first time through, period lol

I had probably the best luck I could have hoped for when doing Castrum Meridianum and The Praetorium for my story quests. For Castrum, we had 5 of the 8 people skip the cutscenes, but the 3 of us that watched (myself, a Paladin, and a Bard) never received any push to hurry up, and we still had all the fights explained to us as we came to them. For Praetorium, the entire group was new to the place and extremely friendly, everyone watched the cutscenes and talked about them after and we all learned the boss fights together, finishing the place with only one wipe and 20 minutes left on the timer.

I sincerely hope that others finishing the story get the kinds of groups I lucked into, especially the Praetorium one. That group made the final dungeon something special, and I can't imagine how awful it would feel to be rushed by jerks through such a critical part of the story. There are still awesome people running this stuff, so don't give up hope on it!

2 things...really easy :)

#1 - Do all the group stuff including cut scenes with your free company friends, or just your real life friends. That way everyone is happy, and all can enjoy the cut scenes. OR...

#2- Just watch them anyway, and be a bully as well to those who will try to bully you, making you skipping them :)

Although yes, it is true, you can watch all and any cut scenes in your rooms at the Inn.
Just open the book, then select the good TAB, then select the right cut scene, and play them using the slider bar on the bottom.
ALL cut scenes are there for you to enjoy, and no...this is not a lie.

Thankies! = )

I'll watch the cutscenes if it's the first time. But will generally advise the others at the start of the run that I plan on doing so(along with that it's the first time I'm running it).
If they don't want that they are free to leave then. So far no issues - nobody just upped and left.

im the healer and i will watch my cutscenes. End of.

I really can't grasp why people are making such a big issue out of such a thing.
Why just not let the people watch if they want 2, I had loaded of time where either I or other ppl watched the scenes. Not once did anyone complained about it or whine.
Also ur talking about 7 other ppl having to w8 on this one person, but maybe this person is new and has never been there and just watches this new scene. You and your grp are gonna tel him to not do so?
Lets be realistic, such scenario will hardly occur since most ppl are watching them and just enjoying the game without any issues. It a small minority that complaints and it is they who are the problem and not the other way around, or rather making it into a problem.

Dont make it into such a big thing it's not worth it. Just take a chill pill and w8 a bit.

As time goes on less and less people will be watching cutscenes. They'll only appear once for that player in-dungeon, so there's no reason to skip. Next time you play with them, there'll be no cut scene! A new-adventurer will inconvenience upto 7 players ONCE, but you're trying to disrupt as many as 7 every single run.

The only time I have skipped a cut scene was Stone Vigil and it was the post-win one because we'd wiped 3 times on the last boss and had little time to finish in. We all agreed to do this since we had no time, but ONLY because we had no time (we finished the boss with 15 seconds on the clock). Coming back to it, I think that it activates after you exit so we didn't actually need to.

To reiterate for those that can't find them, you must hand in the quest before all the scenes appear in the book, but you shouldn't have to view them like this.

I always let people watch the cut-scenes if they want to or its their first time. I watched all mine the first time through and I want everyone else to enjoy the awesome story this game has ^^. Also its hard to go ahead when I'm usually the main tank and wait for everyone before pulling. I love when people get butt hurt when other's won't skip cut-scenes. Infact I'll usually start watching them again if that happens:D.

I've healed a couple Praetorium runs where the group got impatient with one or two DPS who wanted to watch the cutscenes. Honestly, the levels of abuse some of the cutscene crowd were receiving disgusted me. After the DPS got locked out of the first boss, I put my foot down and told the group that I was going to sit outside encounters and wait for everyone to finish their cutscenes before joining any fights. If the group wants to go in without one of the healers, I hope for the party's sake their other healer is capable enough to solo-heal the encounters. "Playing the healer/tank card" is usually enough to make the rest of the party behave.

I don't really care if you're aiming for a speedrun to get some quick tomestones. I'm doing sporadic Praetorium runs for tomestones as well when my AK group is offline/busy (I cbf pugging AK when so many fresh 50s are queueing for it. Speedrun or not, AK is a gearcheck, and the fresh 50s don't satisfy the gear requirements.), but I'm not about to screw up someone's first time through the dungeon just because I want some tomestones.

I paid my money, I'll watch my cutscenes.

when you get into a dungeon that has cutscenes you want to watch, hide the chat. trust me

it's not a lie, all cutscenes can be watched, you must have missed something..

You paid for the game and you'll be paying every month, why should you skip? The guy asking you to skip, did he pay for your copy? Will he pay for you every month? No. So tell him your getting your money's worth and enjoying FFXIV!

Its hilarious, I just got to the first one as a tank, some douche decided to say 'skip cs'. I said 'yeah. no.', we got to the first miniboss and they left (and was promptly replaced), but not before calling me a 'childish noob' for watching cs. xD

THE IRONY!

We went on to beat it though, even though another 'leet' reared his ugly head and left (and was instareplaced). If you don't wanna let people watch a CS, go play a single player game.

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Originally Posted by glim

it's not a lie, all cutscenes can be watched, you must have missed something..

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It is a lie. You can't watch them in the inn if you haven't viewed them at least once.

Can we report people who harass others for watching cutscenes? Harassment is against the ToS right?

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Originally Posted by Azrael

It is a lie. You can't watch them in the inn if you haven't viewed them at least once.

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Can you be more specific? I'm just a noob, but I didn't really like the idea of watching Sastasha, TamTara, Copperbell, Ifrit while people are waiting (and I'm not generally patient anyways). I aborted every one of them. Then when I went to the Inn, I was able to see each of them under the Duty section, three each. It seems clear that these are important enough that SE will let you re-watch.

Is it just Amdapor Keep that doesn't? Somewhere else? What exceptions do exist for this? I'm genuinely curious.

So here's my take on this topic: The universal standard is to watch the CS, that's how it's designed, to always play the CS no matter how many times you played. If you want someone to skip, form your own party. Those in the DF are absolutely in the right to tell you, "No, I'm going to watch these." No majority, no shaming. It's not rude to play the game as it was intended. 7 people should have found an 8th if they wanted a speed run.

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Originally Posted by foldenberg

I paid my money, I'll watch my cutscenes.

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:D
I see people leaving early.
They don't know what they're missing..
They don't know what they're missing..
They're missing half the dungeon! And I'll not be screwed.
I'll not be screwed like the people leaving early.
'Cause I paid my money. I paid!

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Originally Posted by Menubrea

This again.

The only fair way to deal with this, deciding to use the dungeon finder tool (agreeing to be put together with a bunch of random people with different opinions and goals), is to let the majority rule. If you're in the minority on either side, suck it up and stop being entitled. If you absolutely insist on enjoying the game a specific way, you should make your own group, and not pair yourself with completely random people, risking being the only one who wants to enjoy the content your specific way.

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No sir, just no. You have it opposite. If you don't want to put up with newbies, then its YOU who should party with a FC and not use the DF.

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Originally Posted by Retrograde

I aborted every one of them. Then when I went to the Inn, I was able to see each of them under the Duty section, three each. It seems clear that these are important enough that SE will let you re-watch.

Is it just Amdapor Keep that doesn't? Somewhere else? What exceptions do exist for this? I'm genuinely curious.

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I was running Castrum Meridianum, for the first time, I ended up in a speed run group, listened to one of those people telling me I could review my cutscenes in the inn, so I could skip them and review them later.

When we got out, I went to the inn, and nothing was saved, except the first CS at start that I actually watched without skipping.

So maybe it might work for some dungeons, you are telling me that, but I tell you that it didn't work for me in story mode dungeon, so it looks you can RE-view them in the inn, but you can't if you never did.

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Originally Posted by Shneibel

I dont think the time tick as someone watching the CS, because after get port into dungeon, everyone will stay in a circlet and cant do anything until the person watch CS is done or AM i wrong about the time ?

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It the later dungeons being Castrum Meridianum and The Praetorium.

Those two have about 10 cutscenes in the dungeon and the timer will continue to click after the first cutscene. So if the remaining 9 cutscenes in those dungeons will not stop the timer like the first cutscene does.

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Originally Posted by Retrograde

Can you be more specific? I'm just a noob, but I didn't really like the idea of watching Sastasha, TamTara, Copperbell, Ifrit while people are waiting (and I'm not generally patient anyways). I aborted every one of them. Then when I went to the Inn, I was able to see each of them under the Duty section, three each. It seems clear that these are important enough that SE will let you re-watch.

Is it just Amdapor Keep that doesn't? Somewhere else? What exceptions do exist for this? I'm genuinely curious.

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Specificly if you did not experience the cutscene directly you cannot view the cutscene. But here is a example of what I mean...

If you join a New Group not in progress you will be able to view all cutscenes from point 1 to final point. Those cutscenes can be skipped because you experienced the first second of it and wtached in the Cutscene book because the game has recorded that you experienced the cutscene. It is not required to view the cutscene entirely to unlock them in the Cutscene book.

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If you join a Currently In Progress Group, any cutscene the Group have seen and passed will not be recorded in the Cutscene Book for you since you did not experience those cutscene. It is not required to watched entirely but you must have atleast watched it or skipped the cutscene in order for the cutscene to be recorded. So if you join a The Praetorium run and they are on the last boss you will not be given any cutscenes before that point because you did not experience nor skip the cutscene yourself.

As far as my parties go, if I'm the tank (and I usually am) you can be damn sure that I won't skip any cutscene or tell anyone to do so. Moreover, if I see that someone doesn't wait for another party member to finish watching their cutscenes I'll just sit there and let them tank themselves if they want. Or they can always leave and wait until they find another tank, I don't care. I can't stand these people, to be honest.

As has already been said, first time experience trumps any hurry that you may have. If you want speed runs make your own party with like-minded people, as the game was designed to watch those cutscenes and no one should be expected to skip them (specially on their first run). Honestly, I'll never understand the hurries of some people, being so impatient and selfish as to ruin someone else's experience.

Also, many thanks to everyone else that still waits for others even if they've already done the dungeon themselves one million times. These are the good players, not the "wannabepr0s" that force everyone to play as (for) them.

Just tell them to deal with it, if they want to skip out stuff, they should stop being lazy and make a farming group.

Ah just tell em to do one and watch it even if your the only one, if people leave over it so be it...
You only need 4 people to kill the trash between bosses, and no one would be farming the last dungeon unless they are a little special anyway..

I watched them when i did it, i let other people watch them (yeah ok i'll rush off and kill some trash to keep things moving if other are just farming too).
Ok i'll drop the odd semi spoiler on how to fight a boss or miss a patrol or two but thats it.

But i've had runs where like 4-6/8 were new, and i got balled out for not pulling and taking it slow so they can enjoy it..

My favorite one was was getting bitched at by a WHM and DRG for doing that and not rushing off.
I just sat down and told them to shush or leave as i was doing nothing at all now while people were watching.
They cry'd more at me, but while ranting away they got jumped and died. (well i say jumped, more like a patrole wondered up to them very slowly while i watched).
They seemed really angry i just watched them die too.
An I'm sure you can all work out the ending to that.
:)

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Originally Posted by Menubrea

Majority has a say, but not much control. If someone wants to watch the cut scenes, despite 7 wants not to there is nothing they can do about. That doesn't make the said person less considerate towards his random group members though. Again, you absolutely insist on playing a specific way, without compromise, you should make a group yourself, and not be an inconsiderate douchebag by either forcing the majority to skip cut scenes or being the minority enforcing your cut scenes on others.

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The CS is there by default, and an option to skip. THAT's the default. Stop trying to justify, there's no majority wins! At the moment the game makes you watch CS (short or long) every time so just let it be...

Making someone to skip cutscene to the extend of harassing is simply an act of bullying. There might be 7 people waiting for the 1 to finish the CS, but are you sure the 7 feels the same? Is it not because of peer-pressure?

If I've seen the cutscènes I'm not going to watch each and everyone over again, but don't tell me I can't.
So what then your going to leave the group? If so that just proves me eight ans those Pl are the bigger arses.
Asking never hurts, just don't force them to skip it. Final fantasy is known for it's great storyline and I cam blame people to watch all scenes. But if they've seen it before then yes by all means ask then to skip it. Since you can watch it as much as you want at the inn, although I'm unsure which ones u can watch.
The only ones I care about are the story scenes really.

I play RPGs for story but I stop reading dialogues since FFX... It's like when I played game with voice overs, I'll never want to read anymore.

So I only watch cutscenes with voice overs, skipped almost every dialogue. maybe I'll read them in the inn if I have time.

SE could remove the 100 tombs you get at the end of Caestrum and you'll probably never be asked to skip cut-scenes again. Then again it makes it something you only ever run once which would probably make queues near impossible in the next few months.

Personally I told people to skip the two cut-scenes before the final fight because I found them to be a waste of time. They are transition cut scenes that don't really deepen the plot. People could watch all the others with 0 impact to anything. I did find remarkable the sheer number of people who can't figure out how to go down the chute when the cut scenes tells you to jump down the chute. Makes me wonder if those people actually watched the cut scene.

Personally I don't think 8 man raid content should be tied into the main story and forced upon players, but then again SE didn't do a bad job at it ;).

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Originally Posted by Menubrea

If you're the only one wanting to watch the cut scenes, and you agreed to be put together with random people who may not agree with your way of playing the game, you should be reasonable to accept that and comply.

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Lol, I was doing this last night as well...
I was the 2nd healer of the group. They told me to skip the cutscenes and I told them to go ahead without me... They didnt :P