The state of the housing wards are a reflection of the player priorities.
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Is that investment worth fifteen dollars a month to you?
But for your analogy, the steak was served.It was just smaller than you wanted to be. The bigger steaks are there. But youre gonna need to get on your jogging gear and go chase it down.
These guys are game developers.These guys jobs are to put obstacles in front of us. Housing is offered, but for a plot, youre gonna have to overcome some obstacles, like Lady luck. Once you overcome overcome lady luck. Your reward? A plot you now have to keep a subscription active occasionally to keep.
Man, here I've got two steaks.
there it is chat! we finally got their confession see? they are a gate keeping SE apologist :D and they just want to derail the thread to earn brownie points so that surely they'll get noticed by their favorite Developer for doing such a great job with their tribalism tactic.
And you wonder why this subject is met with absolute silence for the last decade. There is absolutely nothing good from addressing this topic with a 10 foot pole.
I'm explaining how the system has been presented to me. And you think that's a confession? Brother they de-fanged most of your arguments since apts are considered housing. Once the implemented apts that was your low hanging fruit for housing.
Once you've got that, your "lack of housing argument" lost its validity. Anything that you can't answer. You simply won't answer. What is "housing" defined as? And if apartments meet that criteria. And your server has housing unit available that fall under that "housing" umbrella.
Is there really a lack of housing then?
And if you have that baseline of housing. Then why wouldnt they put the bigger harder to get plots as a carrot on a stick? Youre not locked out housing for not having a plot anymore.
You think i'm defending them? I don't have to. you're paying them to be here regardless of my opinion.Youre running defense for the company youre trying to criticize indirectly by trying to backhand insult me. Your wallet is running more defense then what I say ever could.
You absolutely have the right to make requests, but you should avoid the mindset that “the customer is always right.”
That mindset often ignores practicality and oversimplifies business relationships.
The customer’s voice is important, but it’s not always correct.
You’re free to express your perspective, but since this is a public forum, you will also encounter opposing viewpoints.
If you are only seeking agreement and validation, this is not the right place.
Just as the forum GM allows you to provide negative feedback, you also don’t have the right to discredit or dismiss the narratives of those who disagree with you.
That’s what freedom of speech entails—open exchange of differing opinions.
what freedom of speech? LOL this place has rules and curation you're right people can disagree with eachother but Solowing wants everyone to deal with an objectively awful housing system when it could vastly be improved by leaps and bounds but for some odd reason SE can't get it together or thru their heads people don't like this crap system they shoved down our throats we didn't get a choice SE decided for us what we will get an what we won't.
tell mer why is it that decade old games with even older crapier coding can give players all houses??? why do free to play or gacha games of the modern age give their players better housing FOR FREE???? come on now man xD just say you like being c**k held by the company least then we'd know your an honest simp lmao
If you’re expecting Japanese developers to deliver the same level of online gaming experience as Western studios, you’re in for a disappointment.
Historically, Japanese developers have lagged in online games due to cultural preferences, infrastructure limitations, and a console-first mindset.
They are far more comfortable with mobile and console gaming and rarely step out of that comfort zone.
If you think this is just an excuse, look around—how many Japanese online games truly match the scale and functionality of Western titles?
Final Fantasy XI and XIV are essentially the only fully functional Japanese online games that gained global recognition.
A few companies, like Square Enix and Capcom have attempted online games, but they still trail behind South Korean and Chinese developers in scope, polish, and competitive features.
The reality is simple: Japanese studios focus on what works in their market, but when it comes to high-end, globally competitive online gaming, they’re generally behind.
not to mention the way they defend the Japanese laziness to not grow with the times and try to validate them as if them being racist and not wanting to care about anything outside of japan is something that should be accepted anymore, especially considering they are a dying country that is barely reproducing anymore.
Oh i'm not mad at him. I'm not even defending my liking for the world system right now.
All i'm doing is telling them the day we got apts, the "not enough housing" complaints stopped holding water due to apts being considered housing.
I haven't defended the ward system for the last several posts xD all im simply saying is that their argument was neutralized when they implemented apartments due to the technicality of the language.
Am I saying something wrong? I'm not getting any counter argument just insults.
Their problem is that they don’t consider Apartments or FC Rooms as proper player housing.
They don’t understand how a corporation works, nor are they interested in the development history of online gaming.
Honestly, they don’t care—it’s just a tool to support their own narratives.
I didn’t expect much, because they’re not the first, and they won’t be the last, until they get what they want.
What surprised me is this “all or nothing” attitude—they’d rather sit on nothing than accept a compromise.
Also, when they start labeling anyone who disagrees as “white knights” or “defenders,” that’s a clear sign
They know they’re losing the argument and are resorting to cheap labels as a last-ditch effort.
That's what throws me off about that. They're injecting their own definition of what housing is rather than take with the actual definition of housing is as a feature is. If you can decorate it it is considered housing whether you like it or not.
I'm saying this because I thought of this myself as a player when they implemented apartments. And the answer I came up with is technicality. Once they gave us apts. That was our "housing starter set" any "lack of housing" threads are toothless if apartments are available to purchase. That's just understanding the language.
But that language is intentional compassing Apts, smalls, medium, large. If you have access to one you have access to housing, and that right there disarms the "not enough housing" complaints.
They think im white knighting.. all they're doing is creating their own boogieman. They're hearing what they wanna hear not what i'm saying.
Earlier I mention that the ward system is a reflection of the player's priorities. I got no response to that. To be honest it seems like they're avoiding it. I like the word system but that is an unfortunate reality of it. The ward system needs the players to make it work. But the players don't want to spend the time in the ward or a isolated instance. But im the villain for pointing that out?
To be honest, I'm not surprised by some of it.I did say it was an entitlement issue and someone said it wasn't.Then proceeded to say we're entitled to it because we pay a sub....
Players, we want housing.
*Apts*
We don't want that I want to be able to decorate my exterior!
*Island Sanctuary with outdoor decoations*
"We don't want that"
That Young Muriel scene wasn't a just a joke. Looking back at it
This is a textbook case of failed equivocation.
My first post clearly stated that there doesn’t seem to be a housing crisis: most small plots remain unbid even a year after the demolition lock.
This is supported by solid evidence and directly addresses the topic.
Instead of engaging with that, this person twists the argument, claiming I’m “forcing everyone to bid on small plots.”
That’s a complete misrepresentation.
Their attempt to switch concepts is poorly executed and baseless and everything actually points back to their own flawed reasoning.
As for the “White Knight” label, don’t take it seriously.
It’s a last-resort tactic when someone is losing an argument.
Even if your perspective is neutral and reasonable, if it doesn’t fit their narrative and they lack evidence, they’ll resort to personal labels instead of addressing your points.
aww thats so sweet our dear Solowing made a pal in their mutual undercutting of people asking for a basic feature to be expanded upon and improved for everyone let us know when you guys get married and when the divorce happens please do tell us who gets to keep the house lmao ;P
its not science to distinguish a a plot of land from a tiny AF room, and it not difficult to tell the difference between pebble and a full size rock your condescending attitude tells us you can't handle criticism an have a narcissistic attitude towards anyone who doesn't agree that you're right :^) you really are out here acting like everyone's intelligence is beneath you but i can promise you we're not idiots an we know what we're asking for but by all means please keep humoring us we all love a good drama show thats what the crowd loves to see after all folks might as well place some bets or get some popcorn this thread will keep going for awhile until these gate keeping corporate lap doggies eventually quit lol
Just put them on ignore. That way their out of our hair. i don't have the energy to deal with these people anymore. All they do is condecend upon other players who wants more housing and more balance.
Imagen them doing this to a new player who wants a house and such too. :/ so yeah. Best to just ignore them.
Thank you and once again, you’ve proven every point I just made.
This is yet another failed attempt at equivocation.
Unlike the other guy, your approach isn’t even about debate, it’s just labeling.
There’s no drama here.
What we’re seeing is just someone’s narcissistic reaction to the statement above.
Honestly, you’d be better off doing what the other guy does—at least pretending to be cute is still a better option.
Sorry if my practical mindset hurts your feelings.
hey how's those clipping hats/headwear working out for your viera?
oh an how bout those once per major patch hairstyles from the past that should've been available since launch of viera? you good on those too? ;)
they should really do something about those huh oops my bad sorry they can't do that all at once my bad, please understand they are poor understaffed minimum wage JP workers at the mercy of a rabid fandom gotta cut them slack right?
I don’t care about any of that, and the history of my posts proves it. (This is an alt for your own sake.)
Try harder—yet another failed equivocation.
There’s no depth in any of your posts.
By the way, do you really think someone being this "rude" has no personal agenda?
Out of so many posts, mine got targeted.
Primal. Frontline. KO in 4 GCDs.
That’s all I’m going to say.
*oh, you thinks I care because I have a mog station hairstyle?
Unfortunately, it is a gift
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Except I literally am a Computer Sec/Network admin (CCNA, MCSA, SEC+, NET+, A+) and have a degree in business, I just know how to not fuck the customer over just to line my pockets. Money for development is there, THEY HAVE THE MONEY TO DEVELOP AND UPDATE THIS STUFF. But Corpo greed keeps majority of that profits in the pockets of the CEO's and upper echelon
You keep trying to reframe this discussion as ignorance versus enlightenment, but that's just deflection. I understand how corporations work. I understand the development history of MMOs. And I understand that *apartments and FC rooms are not equivalent to personal housing*, not in customization, not in prestige, and certainly not in player satisfaction.
Calling this an "all or nothing" attitude is reductive. It's not about refusing compromise, it's about refusing *false equivalence*. Apartments and FC rooms are limited, instanced, and lack the outdoor space and creative freedom that many players are specifically saving for. Suggesting they're a valid substitute for personal housing is like telling someone who wants to build a house to be happy renting a closet.
And let's talk about compromise: players *have* compromised. They've bid on smalls they didn't want. They've waited through dozens of failed lotteries. They've accepted instanced islands that don't allow housing. The frustration isn't from entitlement, it's from exhaustion.
As for the "white knight" label, I haven't used it. But if defending a flawed system while dismissing the lived experiences of frustrated players fits that description, then maybe the label isn't so far off.
You're not wrong for being satisfied with your own housing situation. But you are wrong to assume that satisfaction should be universal. The system doesn't work for everyone, and pretending it does only delays the improvements that would benefit the entire community.
The goal isn't to win an argument. It's to fix a system that's failing the very players who keep this game alive.
Also I'm a woman, even if I had a dick I'd still be a woman, don't assume gender ya'll used They/Them perfectly fine until that point don't get all transphobic now and start assuming gender/sex. Even a transgirl with a MASSIVE one still would not compare to the size of your twos egos.
Some people are saying that the smalls aren't good enough. That they want all the amenities of a plot with none of the drawbacks.
But in the word system that creates a problem between those who have to come back to keep their stuff and those who don't. While having access to the same feature
You can claim to be the “Queen of the Universe” if you want
I couldn’t care less.
This discussion is between forum avatars.
My statements have always been natural, professional, and grounded in observation.
You’re the one getting enraged because it doesn’t fit your narrative.
I've been called a female few times by accident. I don't really pay that much attention to it.
Honestly stuff, I don't really care what gender you see me as that's not really important.It's what you're saying i'm more interested in. So if im referred to as male or female interchangeably, it doesn't matter. Understand it's not done out of malice. And for that i see no reason to get upset over it.
I disagree with you on this subject but i'm trying to take you in good faith. Save the transphobia accusation for the actual transhobes.
You keep insisting your tone is "natural and professional", yet you've repeatedly mocked my understanding, questioned my age, and now you're trivializing my credentials as if they're imaginary. That's not professionalism, it's passive dismissal.
This isn't about being the "Queen of the Universe”. It's about being a paying player with valid concerns, just like thousands of others who've voiced similar frustrations. You can reduce this to "forum avatars” if it helps you sleep at night, but behind every post is a real person investing time, money, and energy into a game they care about.
And no, I'm not enraged because your opinion doesn't fit my narrative. I'm frustrated because you keep dodging the actual issue: the housing system is broken for a large portion of the player base. You've benefited from it, and that's great for you. But dismissing the struggles of others as emotional or invalid just because they challenge your comfort zone? That's not grounded observation. That's selective empathy.
If you truly want a "professional” discussion, start by acknowledging that your experience isn't universal, and that listening to others doesn't mean losing an argument. It means growing the conversation.
Also if this is a discussion between forum avatars, than why would you not use the gender of the avatar, it's stupidly easy to tell the different between a male Ra and a female Ra just on horn size/shape alone not counting the shape of the face and scales.
Totally worth it, if you wanna stay neutral stay neutral don't assume.