New Player Etiquette

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Originally Posted by Nyastra

Being so for real right now, I'd rather have single pulls, than W2W that just results in death 4 times over. But you are not wrong, communication goes a long way. Just sometimes even as an experienced player I genuinely do not know what to say to these people without coming across as nitpicky or a-hole. On main I genuinely shut my mouth until asked, because I know the reputation Mentors have. On my alt, which is a "Sprout" I'm like um... How do I say this nicely, I've resorted to just shutting up but when you're sitting in the room with the newbie who is getting frustrated, I dunno.

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That’s tough when they are right there with you, you can see the frustration first hand. Yeah Im always unsure if people want advice or help, or if they enjoy figuring it out on their own.. so I just try and be polite and positive, offering help if we wipe. No idea if my play times line up with you guys, but I’d be happy to help out if I can! Feel free to reach out in game Sko Nay-Famfrit or disc mags2663. New tanks are a lovely and welcome addition!

First thing I learned as a mentor: Never help anyone unless they ask for it. Because they can just as likely be offended by unrequested help being offered.

I can't know what you do, and do not know, unless you tell me.

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Originally Posted by Nyastra

I’ve been playing for years, and I still don’t understand why Aurum Vale in particular always seems to bring out this exact scenario—people throwing themselves headfirst into a wall over and over, hoping somehow the outcome will change.

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I feel they do it because they have the experience that it does change, not because they magically improved over the last pull, but because each pull will trim down one or two enemies, until it becomes manageable, and they don't seem to understand that's what happening and not that they performed better all of sudden, of course, that can't happen if you are wiping before any enemies die at all.

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Originally Posted by BlisteringFrost

First thing I learned as a mentor: Never help anyone unless they ask for it. Because they can just as likely be offended by unrequested help being offered.

I can't know what you do, and do not know, unless you tell me.

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Do you ever run into situations where random players will reach out for help/questions? When I have questions I usually just go right to a friend of FC mate.

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Originally Posted by SkoNay

Do you ever run into situations where random players will reach out for help/questions? When I have questions I usually just go right to a friend of FC mate.

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Not common. But yeah. Had one a few weeks ago where someone started DM'ing me about my Ultimate weapon I had glammed on. They had other questions too, so I answered 'em.

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Originally Posted by Elephantality

Probably one of them is similar to mine once. I mostly tank with Warrior, and I got that to level 80. Yet I realize, I should not level that any further. I should level one of the other tanks. So I think, sure I'll take my Paladin, level 50. I get into a leveling dungeon, and it's Aurum Vale! I realize my gear for Paladin was crap. I realized this as mobs were hitting me hard, and eventually the boss. The party is very patient with me, and we finally get past the first boss, but I die at it. At that point, I tell them thank you for trying, but I have to bow out so they can get a tank that is better geared and won't annoy them further. That was embarrassing. So it's possible some hard focused another tank or another class and didn't realize they should probably have watched a video guide on how to tank before trying.

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Fair, but that's self awareness vs just not giving a damn. Whenever I notice something go awry in dungeons, gear is the first thing I check, whether it be the tank or the healer. That determines what can and cannot be done. So for a tank, geared nonetheless, to run himself stupid into the same walls, that's rather aggravating. I was fortunate enough to not deal with this much when I started healing as I always had people to play with who tanked for me and properly taught me how to heal. Our newbie however, doesn't have that luxury. Unless I commit to constantly tanking my way through ARR - DT.

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Originally Posted by VeyaAkemi

I feel they do it because they have the experience that it does change, not because they magically improved over the last pull, but because each pull will trim down one or two enemies, until it becomes manageable, and they don't seem to understand that's what happening and not that they performed better all of sudden, of course, that can't happen if you are wiping before any enemies die at all.

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You are probably right. I usually play ranged dps, so in this case I know I can kite a few mobs down until I absolutely eat the floor. But lord. I'm tired lmao

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Originally Posted by BlisteringFrost

Not common. But yeah. Had one a few weeks ago where someone started DM'ing me about my Ultimate weapon I had glammed on. They had other questions too, so I answered 'em.

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Yeah it doesn't happen very often but on a rare occasion someone asks, but I think it's more a case like above - about glamour or if you just happen to be the person around to answer said question. I tend to not give unsolicited advices anyway because y'know. That's just how it be.

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Originally Posted by Gokki

You can have any playstyle you want with bots or friends, don't hold other people back on purpose. It's one thing to have some sort of physical disability or be a newbie in Sastasha. I will absolutely wait for you and pull one by one if you're a new player learning. This isn't elitism, it's basic civism. This happens everywhere: driving a car too slow, taking too long at the ATM, strolling across a zebra crossing, stretching your legs over a narrow public corridor. it's just impolite to waste other people's time. These exames are just extensions of the same thing.


I am happy to teach and guide anyone TRULY new and willing to learn. I find such people are never slow, they strive to improve and push themselves, and often thank me for helping them. Purposefully holding others back due to some toxic sense of individuality is something i'm quite alergic to. I apolagize, it is difficult to explain the difference despite being a simple concept.

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your list they were referring was extremely condescending and elitists. You could have simply just said, If you are new to a job or just not familiar enough with something ask to slow down, plain simple. Maybe it will run the dungeon an extra 30 seconds to a minutes. But seriously if you are getting that bent on you may just want to do premade and just queue up with whatever you need filled.

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Originally Posted by yesnt

Respectfully, everybody is entitled to do with their limited lifetime what they want. If you want to play really slow - ok, you can do that. But other people can also decide they don't want to participate in that and click the "Leave" button.

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Sure, then the tank can also let you die as dps since everyone is free to do whatever the F they want. How is that helping anyone, I wonder.

As for the topic, I am very lenient; however, if you are 85+ and you still haven't figured out that you should be using 2 mits/ pull, then we will have a discussion.

If the dps is grabbing mobs and running off to Narnia, bye, have fun, rez you when I get there if I'm on healer, AoE them off you when I get there if I'm on tank.

#1 rule of pulling as a dps is bring the mobs back. I grab everything when I tank but if I'm already running and a reaper zots ahead and grabs a second pack and runs them out of gap closer/AoE/provoke range, not a lot that can be done there. I don't chase dps who run off as a healer.

When I'm healing or dpsing, I do not care if the tank pulls small. I encourage them if I'm healing them that I have their back if they want to try more, but it's a dungeon. It'll be over in 15m. It's not worth arguing about.

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Originally Posted by Kohashi

Sure, then the tank can also let you die as dps since everyone is free to do whatever the F they want. How is that helping anyone, I wonder.

As for the topic, I am very lenient; however, if you are 85+ and you still haven't figured out that you should be using 2 mits/ pull, then we will have a discussion.

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Oh no, you see that doesn't apply to tanks because then they don't get what they want.

It's just toxic individualism and them seeing other people as data. Empathy or even the slightest form of actual etiquette is a slur to them, while having the patience of a wooden rubber band and are in need of instant gratification.
It's all just ME ME ME!

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Originally Posted by TBerry

Oh no, you see that doesn't apply to tanks because then they don't get what they want.

It's just toxic individualism and them seeing other people as data. Empathy or even the slightest form of actual etiquette is a slur to them, while having the patience of a wooden rubber band and are in need of instant gratification.
It's all just ME ME ME!

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what do you mean? Please make it make sense.

Also nobody forced you to que as DPS, you want to dictate the pace of the dungeon, you are free to que as Tank. K bye!

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Originally Posted by KrhisTia

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You mean to tell me a wow vet cant cope with doing wall to wall pulls in an endwalker dungeon? If your friend tanked in wow, he should have no issue at all with ffxiv tanking. What have you been doing with him the whole time? How did you completely fail to teach your friend the VERY EASY tanking rules, hell how did he fail to read his own tooltips as he levelled and put 2 and 2 together? When I was a sprout I was pulling everything after my first few dungeons got me comfy tanking. Mid endwalker is potentially well over 100 hours playtime and he can't pull double packs? You have completely failed as a mentor. People are justified in being a bit irked at the slow pace from the tank in late game content. In the end I still follow the rule of, if I queue with randoms I accept I might get players that don't have much of a clue. So I will just keep pace. But what annoys me more is when someone offers advice and some white knight moron goes, "BE QUIET HE'S NEW!". Treating sprouts like idiots incapable of taking in basic information. And it's how we see players in endwalker and beyond that have no clue how to play, because people coddle them and make them feel justified in playing like crap.

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Originally Posted by Kohashi

Sure, then the tank can also let you die as dps since everyone is free to do whatever the F they want. How is that helping anyone, I wonder.

As for the topic, I am very lenient; however, if you are 85+ and you still haven't figured out that you should be using 2 mits/ pull, then we will have a discussion.

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That's lethargic play and reportable. Leaving an instance not so much.

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Originally Posted by Aelin_Ashryver

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That's lethargic play and reportable. Leaving an instance not so much.

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It's not a lethargic play if the DPS brought it on themselves, nobody is gonna report for a wipe on ads.

If you can't use a cooldown or how to walk away from a yellow circle on the floor at level 90+ you need help. That help is not going to come from me.

I am not going to spend my time to explain it. You had that opportunity 30 or 40 levels ago when you started getting proper cooldowns to use.

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Originally Posted by Kohashi

what do you mean? Please make it make sense.

Also nobody forced you to que as DPS, you want to dictate the pace of the dungeon, you are free to que as Tank. K bye!

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What I'm saying is "Rules for thee, but not for me".
They wil force you into their playstyle regardless of level of party and just rush forward without even giving the tank a chance, but cry the second they die even if it wasn't the tank's fault.

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Originally Posted by MikeCake

It's not a lethargic play if the DPS brought it on themselves, nobody is gonna report for a wipe on ads.

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What this really is is coercion by threatening to report someone if they don't do as the DPS/healer wants..

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Originally Posted by MikeCake

It's not a lethargic play if the DPS brought it on themselves, nobody is gonna report for a wipe on ads.

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Just because you wouldn't doesn't mean others wont. This discussion has been had before and it's literally in ToS. If you purposefully don't play to let them die it's reportable like it or not lol
Whether you think they brought it on themselves or not is irrelevant.

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Originally Posted by TBerry

What I'm saying is "Rules for thee, but not for me".
They wil force you into their playstyle regardless of level of party and just rush forward without even giving the tank a chance, but cry the second they die even if it wasn't the tank's fault.




What this really is is coercion by threatening to report someone if they don't do as the DPS/healer wants..

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It's not threatening it's just the consequences of actions for purposefully griefing another player. If 3/4 people want to get the dungeon over quickly and are not fussed about dps pulling, the tank can keep up or he can pout in the corner. If he won't play then just report and move on.

If a tank is in endwalker without a clue how to tank a dungeon, that's on them and I frankly don't care if they stress over the dps running ahead and pulling. Don't queue for a high level duty if you have zero clue how to play, the trust system is there for that reason. You don't get to tell three other people what to do because you're incompetent.

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Originally Posted by Aelin_Ashryver

It's not threatening it's just the consequences of actions for purposefully griefing another player. If 3/4 people want to get the dungeon over quickly and are not fussed about dps pulling, the tank can keep up or he can pout in the corner. If he won't play then just report and move on.

If a tank is in endwalker without a clue how to tank a dungeon, that's on them and I frankly don't care if they stress over the dps running ahead and pulling. Don't queue for a high level duty if you have zero clue how to play, the trust system is there for that reason. You don't get to tell three other people what to do because you're incompetent.

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Yes, this was mentioned for the last 50 pages, but I doubt it matters, because you'll do it anyways.
On Chaos you get kicked for disruptive gameplay, because it's dungeon etiquette to let the tank pull. 3/4 also don't make a fuss if the run doesn't go smooth. They get through, get over it and move on.

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Originally Posted by TBerry

Yes, this was mentioned for the last 50 pages, but I doubt it matters, because you'll do it anyways.
On Chaos you get kicked for disruptive gameplay, because it's dungeon etiquette to let the tank pull. 3/4 also don't make a fuss if the run doesn't go smooth. They get through, get over it and move on.

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If a group kicks a dps for pulling ahead I would just report for abuse of the kick, as that is not any of the listed reasons to kick a party member and is another thing against ToS lmao.

What you consider etiquette doesn't matter in ToS, nowhere in it does it say tank is the only one allowed to pull lol. It's not griefing to pull some mobs and bring them back to the tank. If the tank refuses their job then they get a deserved report for lethargic or afk play. A group member doing their best to make a fast, smooth, run is not a problem. A bad tank can easily make a dungeon take twice the time and people with only a couple hours a day to play would rather not be stuck with an incompetent stubborn snail. If running and grabbing two packs of mobs and pressing a couple mits is too much for a person they should rethink playing a tank, or a multiplayer game at all. I care more about respecting other peoples time. And knowing how to play your job to a basic level is exactly that. The game gave plenty chances to learn by Endwalker. Not knowing is just willfully ignorant and doesn't deserve to be tolerated.

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Originally Posted by Aelin_Ashryver

If a group kicks a dps for pulling ahead I would just report for abuse of the kick, as that is not any of the listed reasons to kick a party member and is another thing against ToS lmao.

What you consider etiquette doesn't matter in ToS, nowhere in it does it say tank is the only one allowed to pull lol. It's not griefing to pull some mobs and bring them back to the tank. If the tank refuses their job then they get a deserved report for lethargic or afk play. A group member doing their best to make a fast, smooth, run is not a problem. A bad tank can easily make a dungeon take twice the time and people with only a couple hours a day to play would rather not be stuck with an incompetent stubborn snail. If running and grabbing two packs of mobs and pressing a couple mits is too much for a person they should rethink playing a tank, or a multiplayer game at all. I care more about respecting other peoples time. And knowing how to play your job to a basic level is exactly that. The game gave plenty chances to learn by Endwalker. Not knowing is just willfully ignorant and doesn't deserve to be tolerated.

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What you consider standard in the dungeon doesn't matter in the ToS, nowhere does it say the DPS should pull. Being bad is not against the ToS.
So what about Shirk?
Regardless, you do it either way to the detriment of any player you play with regardless of dungeon or whether the tank is a sprout, so "bad tank and lvl 85+ dungeon" excuse doesn't hold up because even if they were good you you'd just rush ahead.

I have to yet experience a dungeon run where the tank pulling wall-to-wall isn't fast enough to require a DPS abusing the gap closer and range. Usually the dungeons are fast.
And if it's not get over it.
It's not every run.

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Originally Posted by Aelin_Ashryver

Just because you wouldn't doesn't mean others wont. This discussion has been had before and it's literally in ToS. If you purposefully don't play to let them die it's reportable like it or not lol
Whether you think they brought it on themselves or not is irrelevant.

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Theres a big difference here, its not "not playing" if a DPS kills themselves, thats on them, they couldn't wait for the tank to pull ahead, that being said if a tank didn't want to pull more and they pulled more and died, that is still on them, they are disrupting their own duty. GM will take consideration of all the players involved, not just the one rushing ahead.

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Originally Posted by Aelin_Ashryver

It's not threatening it's just the consequences of actions for purposefully griefing another player. If 3/4 people want to get the dungeon over quickly and are not fussed about dps pulling, the tank can keep up or he can pout in the corner. If he won't play then just report and move on.

If a tank is in endwalker without a clue how to tank a dungeon, that's on them and I frankly don't care if they stress over the dps running ahead and pulling. Don't queue for a high level duty if you have zero clue how to play, the trust system is there for that reason. You don't get to tell three other people what to do because you're incompetent.

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A DPS pulling on a pack ahead and killing themselves is a grief, by same logic they could banned for causing disruption in a duty, if they are gonna pull, bring it back to tank, its that easy.

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Originally Posted by MikeCake

Theres a big difference here, its not "not playing" if a DPS kills themselves, thats on them, they couldn't wait for the tank to pull ahead, that being said if a tank didn't want to pull more and they pulled more and died, that is still on them, they are disrupting they own duty. GM will take consideration of all the players involved, not just the one rushing ahead.


A DPS pulling on a pack ahead and killing themselves is a grief, by same logic they could banned for causing disruption in a duty, if they are gonna pull, bring it back to tank, its that easy.

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Yes, it goes both ways.

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Originally Posted by Aelin_Ashryver

If a group kicks a dps for pulling ahead I would just report for abuse of the kick, as that is not any of the listed reasons to kick a party member and is another thing against ToS lmao.

What you consider etiquette doesn't matter in ToS, nowhere in it does it say tank is the only one allowed to pull lol. It's not griefing to pull some mobs and bring them back to the tank. If the tank refuses their job then they get a deserved report for lethargic or afk play. A group member doing their best to make a fast, smooth, run is not a problem. A bad tank can easily make a dungeon take twice the time and people with only a couple hours a day to play would rather not be stuck with an incompetent stubborn snail. If running and grabbing two packs of mobs and pressing a couple mits is too much for a person they should rethink playing a tank, or a multiplayer game at all. I care more about respecting other peoples time. And knowing how to play your job to a basic level is exactly that. The game gave plenty chances to learn by Endwalker. Not knowing is just willfully ignorant and doesn't deserve to be tolerated.

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They're not going to tell you why you're kicked, you're just going to be kicked.

Erego, the burden of proving intent is on you, and there is no proof of any intent besides wanting you gone. Meaning they won't do anything about it.

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Originally Posted by Aelin_Ashryver

If a group kicks a dps for pulling ahead I would just report for abuse of the kick, as that is not any of the listed reasons to kick a party member and is another thing against ToS lmao.

What you consider etiquette doesn't matter in ToS, nowhere in it does it say tank is the only one allowed to pull lol. It's not griefing to pull some mobs and bring them back to the tank. If the tank refuses their job then they get a deserved report for lethargic or afk play. A group member doing their best to make a fast, smooth, run is not a problem. A bad tank can easily make a dungeon take twice the time and people with only a couple hours a day to play would rather not be stuck with an incompetent stubborn snail. If running and grabbing two packs of mobs and pressing a couple mits is too much for a person they should rethink playing a tank, or a multiplayer game at all. I care more about respecting other peoples time. And knowing how to play your job to a basic level is exactly that. The game gave plenty chances to learn by Endwalker. Not knowing is just willfully ignorant and doesn't deserve to be tolerated.

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I have to say it's very rare for DPS to run ahead and get mobs, at least on Light. More often than not, people are very patient with the tanks unless they are mega slow.

I said this before and I will say it again. If you want to pull, que as tank.

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Originally Posted by Kohashi

I have to say it's very rare for DPS to run ahead and get mobs, at least on Light. More often than not, people are very patient with the tanks unless they are mega slow.

I said this before and I will say it again. If you want to pull, que as tank.

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They have an actual etiquette guide sitting around somewhere. And it specifically outlines Tanks job is to dictate the pace of the dungeon.

So a DPS running ahead of the Tank is verifiably breaking the TOS.

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Attacking someone for doing something different from what you or others may feel is the norm. For example, when running Alliance Raids, or playing PvP content, it is prohibited to make statements such as "why aren't you doing [specific thing]? Everyone knows that's how you do this!" If a report has been filed and the prohibited activity is confirmed, a penalty will be issued.

* There is nothing wrong with providing suggestions that the player community typically follows, but this can only be presented in the form of a "suggestion" and cannot be in the form of a demand. If said player's actions are interfering with the gameplay of others, then a penalty can be issued once a report is filed and confirmed; however, even in this type of situation, if said player is also being attacked verbally, the penalty can be issued to both players.

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and the one specifically including "big pulls"

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It is prohibited to force personal views or disregard the opinions of others. If a report has been filed and the prohibited activity is confirmed, a penalty will be issued.

It is prohibited to make statements such as:
"There's no way we can clear this with [suggestion]."
"Big pulls are normal here, so do it!"
"I don't care what you think, just follow my instructions."
"I'm not asking for your opinion."

Please note that Square Enix may issue a penalty in its discretion even if a report has not been filed but the act was found being conducted in public areas such as Say and Shout, search comments, Party Finder, and online video or streaming services.

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Source: https://support.na.square-enix.com/f...6&id=5382&la=1
Under Nuisance Behavior, first keypoint.

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Originally Posted by BlisteringFrost

They have an actual etiquette guide sitting around somewhere. And it specifically outlines Tanks job is to dictate the pace of the dungeon.

So a DPS running ahead of the Tank is verifiably breaking the TOS.

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I think it's the least courtesy you can show in a dungeon. Be mindful of other players and that you are not the only one there. Everyone should do their respective jobs/ roles to the best of their ability.

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Originally Posted by Kohashi

I think it's the least courtesy you can show in a dungeon. Be mindful of other players and that you are not the only one there. Everyone should do their respective jobs/ roles to the best of their ability.

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I just stand my ground and if they die running back to me with more stuff than I pulled, then that's their fault for playing like that. Say nothing. Can't prove intent that doesn't exist, after all.

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Originally Posted by BlisteringFrost

They have an actual etiquette guide sitting around somewhere. And it specifically outlines Tanks job is to dictate the pace of the dungeon.

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Could you please provide a link to this guide? I'd like to see what it has to say about the other roles.

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Originally Posted by BlisteringFrost

I just stand my ground and if they die running back to me with more stuff than I pulled, then that's their fault for playing like that. Say nothing. Can't prove intent that doesn't exist, after all.

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Let me spell it for you because apparently the point was missed. EVERY single player should do their job, tank to pull, dps to dps, and be mindful of the pace. The tank should not be a snail, and the DPS shouldn't pull ahead. Everyone should cooperate and work towards clearing the dungeon at a reasonable pace and with as little friction as possible.

In even simpler terms, to be a decent human being.

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Originally Posted by Kohashi

Let me spell it for you because apparently the point was missed. EVERY single player should do their job, tank to pull, dps to dps, and be mindful of the pace. The tank should not be a snail, and the DPS shouldn't pull ahead. Everyone should cooperate and work towards clearing the dungeon at a reasonable pace and with as little friction as possible.

In even simpler terms, to be a decent human being.

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Nah, just respect the tank and let them pull at their pace. Hydaelyn forbid you take 1 extra minute to clear the dungeon! Wouldn't wanna.... waste time, playing a video game after all.

if the tnak is to slow and i'm on DPS i pull for them no matter the dungeon, tanking in this game is so simple and easy and its literally optimal todo big pulls and use your burst attacks against them

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Originally Posted by Kohashi

I think it's the least courtesy you can show in a dungeon. Be mindful of other players and that you are not the only one there. Everyone should do their respective jobs/ roles to the best of their ability.

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True, but I will be waiting on a healer's mana, things like that. I do agree with working as a team.

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Originally Posted by Elephantality

True, but I will be waiting on a healer's mana, things like that.

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Okay but unless there are some extreme circumstances like having spam Adlo/Cure 2/Benefic 2/Eukrasian Diagnosis, or needing to spam rez(only really applicable in raids), the Healer should never be even close to run out of mana, Lucid Dreaming enables perfect mana uptime. I had exactly *once* in my years playing where I almost ran out of mana in a dungeon, it was a Stone Vigil run where I just told the Tank to go as hard as they wanted, wtw every time, I had to spam Adlo to get through, I never saw my mana above 8k that entire run, we were in and out in under 10 minutes, absolute 10/10 dungeon run.

Maybe that was more of an issue in ARR/HW days, to my knowledge mana management was much more complicated then, but not in the current game.

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Originally Posted by VeyaAkemi

Okay but unless there are some extreme circumstances like having spam Adlo/Cure 2/Benefic 2/Eukrasian Diagnosis, or needing to spam rez(only really applicable in raids), the Healer should never be even close to run out of mana, Lucid Dreaming enables perfect mana uptime. I had exactly *once* in my years playing where I almost ran out of mana in a dungeon, it was a Stone Vigil run where I just told the Tank to go as hard as they wanted, wtw every time, I had to spam Adlo to get through, I never saw my mana above 8k that entire run, we were in and out in under 10 minutes, absolute 10/10 dungeon run.

Maybe that was more of an issue in ARR/HW days, to my knowledge mana management was much more complicated then, but not in the current game.

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Probably it's been a while since you played really low-level dungeons. For example, WHM mana regen is ass before Lillies and thin air. Being mindful of a healer's mana is a good mindset to have.
Regardless of what it used to be and how it is, some people don't know how to optimally play this game. Shocker, I know..

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Originally Posted by Kohashi

Probably it's been a while since you played really low-level dungeons. For example, WHM mana regen is ass before Lillies and thin air. Being mindful of a healer's mana is a good mindset to have.
Regardless of what it used to be and how it is, some people don't know how to optimally play this game. Shocker, I know..

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I literally played one less than an hour ago, as a Healer, just use Lucid Dreaming, just press it off CD, it's absolutely that simple, that has nothing to do with "optimally", knowing the extremely simple way to not ever need to be concerned about one of your primary resources should be the bare minimum.

Like I said and I fully stand by it, unless you are literally spamming your tier 2 heal GCD and doing absolutely nothing else, you will never have a single risk of running out of MP, and all it takes is a Role skill that you get bellow the level of the very first dungeon in the game.

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Originally Posted by theunhappypotato

if the tnak is to slow and i'm on DPS i pull for them no matter the dungeon, tanking in this game is so simple and easy and its literally optimal todo big pulls and use your burst attacks against them

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Then you are the one with the problem if you are in my run. You pull you keep it. Pulling in front of the tank just slows the run down even more as the tank has to use 2-3 GCDs to get those mobs back. I wont waste more than one attempt on anyone trolling me like that. I reported the last troll last night due their parting comments when he left. The rest of the group were not impressed by him/her. I am not a slow player by anyone's standards. Play how you want when you play solo, but when you are in a group then show some respect to the group.

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Originally Posted by VeyaAkemi

I literally played one less than an hour ago, as a Healer, just use Lucid Dreaming, just press it off CD, it's absolutely that simple, that has nothing to do with "optimally", knowing the extremely simple way to not ever need to be concerned about one of your primary resources should be the bare minimum.

Like I said and I fully stand by it, unless you are literally spamming your tier 2 heal GCD and doing absolutely nothing else, you will never have a single risk of running out of MP, and all it takes is a Role skill that you get bellow the level of the very first dungeon in the game.

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I find the same. Some tanks take a lot of healing and others manage just with hots. However, I had one healer who had issues with something. He could not heal one pack at a time. Every time I looked there was no mana left. Do you slow down for people who clearly have issues, or do you plough on faster and make them work?