Bring back unskippable cutscenes.

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Originally Posted by PikoAliapoh

Every alliance raid, it's a race to see who can shout about "CS! WE HAVE CUTSCENES! WAIT FOR THE CUTSCENES!"

The last raid I queued into, someone started shouting about cutscenes within 5 seconds of zoning in.

The intense level of emotion a lot of people have around making sure they're the cutscene savior for anyone new to the raid is getting absurd.

It'd come off as more kind and helpful if vets and mentors asked if anyone wanted the raid to wait for cutscenes, or if anyone ever actually informed sprouts that they can view cutscenes outside of content in the inn rooms. But instead, it's a shouting match about cutscenes before you can even queue into a raid nowadays. Years ago on my server, no one ever said a word about cutscenes, people just ran the content and moved on.

At this point, I'd prefer to sit through unskippable cutscenes on alliance raids than witness the ridiculous way people behave around them.

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You're never happy.
Next time, you'll ask for : Bring back skippable cuscenes.

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Originally Posted by Kolaina

So it’s a waste of time not to fight it and let 1 person die than to wait for 1 person in a cutscene. Now I believe that’s a fine bit of mental gymnastics itself.

The thing here is there’s 2 beliefs and a middle ground.

1. You wait for everyone who’s watching cutscene, regardless.

2. They aren’t missing much, will run the content again. Etc etc

3. Don’t care either way

You only accept your belief as “the way”. However there are a fair amount of people who practice all 3. So it’s something you’ll have to accept and come to terms with. You play the hand you’re dealt. If people wait, ok, good for whoever benefits. If someone pulls, it’s not against the rules. No punishment will happen. However, attacking that person is against the rules, just as a cautionary. You just get what you get when you play with ransoms.

Enjoy your cutscenes =]

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We clearly still do. Doesnt mean we wont complain about it when it occurs.

You don't die if you're watching a cutscene during a fight or take any damage. Once it's over you teleport inside where the battle is going on. Clearly doesn't affect ones watching them they just start the battle a little later than the others.

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Originally Posted by Kolaina

Considering people are quick to rush in and join the fight

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You're contorting things more than a chinese contortionist.
By your logic when someone early-pulls fuing hunt trains and the rest also attack cause they don't wanna miss credit, they're all in favour of early-pulling and all hate waiting.
Such nonsense.

All this why saying earlier how much people get cursed at by veterans for not waiting for the cutscene watchers, so which is it? Everybody's happy not to wait an they're just cursing for olympic sport?

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Originally Posted by Tlamila

You're contorting things more than a chinese contortionist.
By your logic when someone early-pulls fuing hunt trains and the rest also attack cause they don't wanna miss credit, they're all in favour of early-pulling and all hate waiting.
Such nonsense.

All this why saying earlier how much people get cursed at by veterans for not waiting for the cutscene watchers, so which is it? Everybody's happy not to wait an they're just cursing for olympic sport?

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If they attack the hunt, they are complacent in the pull. There’s also no such thing as a so-called “early pull” as no one is entitled to a hunt mark. It gets pulled when it gets pulled.

Yes people do curse at others for pulling. Not necessarily by veterans as that’s a loose term. But by people who need to stand for something. Again, there is no “early pull”. Show me the rules that state there is a wait period and I will concede. Otherwise we all have to deal with whatever happens, happens

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Originally Posted by Kolaina

You’d need to understand the difference between consecutive and concurrent first. As most people have responded in a manner to suggest there’s 23 minutes consecutive. The point is, 23 people are giving up their time for 1. The value of time of the 23 is greater than that of 1. So in my opinion, those who have the greater value are within their rights to keep their time if they choose. To give that time is a generosity. To expect it, is entitlement when what you have in exchange is lesser in value

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The level of intellectual dishonest. Yeesh. lol You have seen the dungeons a million times. You can wait. A new player is more important. It's that simple.

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Originally Posted by Payadopa

The level of intellectual dishonest. Yeesh. lol You have seen the dungeons a million times. You can wait. A new player is more important. It's that simple.

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If it's that simple than it wouldn't be an issue. The fact that you have a large split between who agree and those who don't mean it's not. This is like someone saying a class is easy when half of the participant is failing.

And the heck does that have anything to do with "intellectual dishonest" to begin with. Or did you just insert the phrase to make the comment sound grander and cooler?

With the way it is implemented in MSQ roulette? Hell no.

Maybe if they find a way to make it less annoying like everyone else said already, but no it's terrible. As much as I enjoy leveling jobs to max, unskippable cutscene roulette became more and more boring (which is why I stopped bothering with them after a point).

Rather than unskippable cutscenes I feel they simply could have that blue ring wall from the beginning of duties that prevents people from moving forward be implemented for final bosses in duties too until the first time new player has finished their CS. That way old players are not forced to visually watch it like MSQ roulette (can do something or chat while waiting) but new players can still enjoy. Also if everyone in the duty has already seen it then the game can just not implement that. A neat lil' flexible system based on party.

We at least know the game can track who has done something or not so doesn't seem too farfetched.

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Originally Posted by Raven2014

If it's that simple than it wouldn't be an issue. The fact that you have a large split between who agree and those who don't mean it's not. This is like someone saying a class is easy when half of the participant is failing.

And the heck does that have anything to do with "intellectual dishonest" to begin with. Or did you just insert the phrase to make the comment sound grander and cooler?

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And the new player will see it a million times. As person should not be expected to wait every time. It is a courtesy. Not a requirement

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Originally Posted by tsuuazu

Rather than unskippable cutscenes I feel they simply could have that blue ring wall from the beginning of duties that prevents people from moving forward be implemented for final bosses in duties too until the first time new player has finished their CS. That way old players are not forced to visually watch it like MSQ roulette (can do something or chat while waiting) but new players can still enjoy. Also if everyone in the duty has already seen it then the game can just not implement that. A neat lil' flexible system based on party.

We at least know the game can track who has done something or not so doesn't seem too farfetched.

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This seems to be the most common suggested solution.
If anyone is in a cutscene, the final arena is blocked off. As soon as the last person finishes or skips the cutscene, arena opens.

Yep people can’t wait 30 secs of their invaluable time to let a new player having their own first experience.
But they say nothing about the minutes they loose because of the ista pull without those 30 secs to prepare a good opener. You know 24 good openers can cut by a couple of mins the entire fight.

At least if a dps Insta pull when I’m the healer, they usually die at the first AoE.
Now those 30 secs are back. Karma.

((The Unending Journey))

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Originally Posted by Raven2014

If it's that simple than it wouldn't be an issue. The fact that you have a large split between who agree and those who don't mean it's not. This is like someone saying a class is easy when half of the participant is failing.

And the heck does that have anything to do with "intellectual dishonest" to begin with. Or did you just insert the phrase to make the comment sound grander and cooler?

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It's not an issue it's a forum thing. lol From the very same forum that thinks if a dungeon takes 30 seconds longer it's akin to harassment. xD Just because you're used to the bubble here doesn't mean it's real. Just being nice to new players isn't bad. Brutal efficiency doesn't trump everything. It's that simple.

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Originally Posted by Atelier-Bagur

This seems like such obvious easy solution that I just have to imagine that the game's coding is so whack that it makes it hard to encode first time player detection to trigger "unskippable cs" so they have to have the either skippable cs for all players or unskippable cs for all players like in Castrum and Prae.

I wish they would implement is so that we can finally avoid this drama

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The detection is already there it tells you if there is a new player in the dungeon/trial etc

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Originally Posted by ClaudeHerel

((The Unending Journey))

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is great for REvisiting, not catching up on something you missed because someone had to poop.

In the time it takes people to watch these scenes, a couple of mechanics happen and they miss the chance to learn them when they repeat with an added step. Now they're on the floor with a minute of half DPS / healing on return, eventually costing more time than you thought you were saving.

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Originally Posted by Payadopa

It's not an issue it's a forum thing. lol From the very same forum that thinks if a dungeon takes 30 seconds longer it's akin to harassment. xD Just because you're used to the bubble here doesn't mean it's real. Just being nice to new players isn't bad. Brutal efficiency doesn't trump everything. It's that simple.

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Indeed. The vast majority are happy to wait for newbies. I'd say 8/10 of runs I see wait for cutscenes, and in 2/10 you have one person (out of 24) who pulls early pissing off everyone to varying degrees, not just the newbie.

That's less than 1% of impatient discourteous players.

Aether's seeing a lot of folks from Dynamis so we check even in CT most of the time. It's usually "A has CS" "B has CS" "C has CS"

Then we have a raid dance party until someone tosses up a ready check or we see everyone's mostly there on the minimap

I think it would be fine if they blocked off the final boss arena until all cutscenes were done. Then we can still try to sync up dances or find out what that neat glam someone has is. They would probably need a way for the cutscene to auto finish after a certain amount of time, though, because you know someone would find a way to use that to troll.

Better. Get rid of boss intro cutscenes.

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Originally Posted by Deedlit

Better. Get rid of boss intro cutscenes.

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Just don’t have cutscenes in duties at all. Do some before. Some that auto trigger when you exit. But none inside.
I haven’t seen many cutscenes, but the few dungeon ones I have seen… quick tour at beginning. Boss jumps in and roars at you before final battle. They aren’t needed. They adding to the story.

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Originally Posted by Kolaina

They aren’t needed. They adding to the story.

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This game IS the story.
If there was only mechanics and no story this wouldn't be a good or popular game.

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Originally Posted by ICountFrom0

This game IS the story.
If there was only mechanics and no story this wouldn't be a good or popular game.

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Monster dropping in, roaring every dungeon is not story.

Here's a thought how about if you see someone is watching a cutscene you just wait. Players see who are watching and it dont add that much more time to a run to be curtious to your fellow players and let them enjoy the cutscenes. Personally i opt for waiting just so players might not feel like they dropped the ball or hussel to pick up the slack. Recent example i got prea on the MS roulette and im sure its common knowledge by kniw but certain language setting will actually make the CS shorter. I opt to just keep it english. So my boyfriend and i were running the MS, he was heals i was tank well while i was watching the cutscene "not skipable" i saw someone pulled nero. One of the dps. Well by the time the CS ended it was too late the guy had the tankbuster mark on him and things didnt end well for him. All because he didnt want to wait a couple more seconds for the rest of us and that left us scrambling for me to take aggro and my boyfriend to rez. Just saying

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Originally Posted by Kolaina

Monster dropping in, roaring every dungeon is not story.

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Cutscene before the final boss of the latest dungeon is literally the first introduction to that character.

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Originally Posted by ICountFrom0

This game IS the story.
If there was only mechanics and no story this wouldn't be a good or popular game.

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I agree with Kolaina. Apart from the times where there is actual exposition being thrown at you (ie, Lahabrea showing up and tainting the Thousand Maws of Toto-Rak, setting him up as a villain while also introducing you the next boss, or Amon in the underworld), most of the time the game just shows us some random creature showing up, doing the roar or weird JoJo pose, and we start a fight. That isn't exactly any more story than just having that thing be in the game outside a cutscene altogether.

Though now they do have a funny little quirk in the title cards for each boss. But even then, that's just fluff, it doesn't exactly add to the plot.

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Originally Posted by Seraphor

Cutscene before the final boss of the latest dungeon is literally the first introduction to that character.

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Ah yes, an important introduction to a plot-relevant character... a Mudpie (Saint Mocianne's Hard)

Again, some do have an important flavour and dialogue in those cutscenes. But not every final dungeon boss is worth having a cutscene for them.

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Originally Posted by Midareyukki

I agree with Kolaina. Apart from the times where there is actual exposition being thrown at you (ie, Lahabrea showing up and tainting the Thousand Maws of Toto-Rak, setting him up as a villain while also introducing you the next boss, or Amon in the underworld), most of the time the game just shows us some random creature showing up, doing the roar or weird JoJo pose, and we start a fight. That isn't exactly any more story than just having that thing be in the game outside a cutscene altogether.

Though now they do have a funny little quirk in the title cards for each boss. But even then, that's just fluff, it doesn't exactly add to the plot.

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Fluff title cards might be less crucial to understanding the plot, but at the same time, they're literally 5 seconds long. How are you guys that impatient?

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Originally Posted by Midareyukki

I agree with Kolaina. Apart from the times where there is actual exposition being thrown at you (ie, Lahabrea showing up and tainting the Thousand Maws of Toto-Rak, setting him up as a villain while also introducing you the next boss, or Amon in the underworld), most of the time the game just shows us some random creature showing up, doing the roar or weird JoJo pose, and we start a fight. That isn't exactly any more story than just having that thing be in the game outside a cutscene altogether.

Though now they do have a funny little quirk in the title cards for each boss. But even then, that's just fluff, it doesn't exactly add to the plot.



Ah yes, an important introduction to a plot-relevant character... a Mudpie (Saint Mocianne's Hard)

Again, some do have an important flavour and dialogue in those cutscenes. But not every final dungeon boss is worth having a cutscene for them.

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Cagnazzo isn't worthy of understanding who the hell he is??? One of the four main enemies of the last few patches???

I agree he didn't get enough screen time but I'd at least like to be able to see what little he got.

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Originally Posted by Seraphor

Fluff title cards might be less crucial to understanding the plot, but at the same time, they're literally 5 seconds long. How are you guys that impatient?

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Did I say anything about the time allotted for them?

I'm actually thinking of the resources required to animate all of it xD surely that must be an additional cost than to just have it be introduced into the dungeon normally like some other bosses are.

As well as their impact in the plot. imo? Cutscenes are moments where there's no interaction with the game, so they should be made to count. So it's less about impatience, and more on importance. On the fact that those cutscenes kind of don't add anything to the plot, unlike what ICountFrom0 implied.

Time had nothing to do with it xD

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Originally Posted by Seraphor

Cagnazzo isn't worthy of understanding who the hell he is??? One of the four main enemies of the last few patches???

I agree he didn't get enough screen time but I'd at least like to be able to see what little he got.

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...okay, and? Seraphor, for real, did you immediately forget what I wrote to ICountFrom0?

I'll quote:

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Apart from the times where there is actual exposition being thrown at you (ie, Lahabrea showing up and tainting the Thousand Maws of Toto-Rak, setting him up as a villain while also introducing you the next boss, or Amon in the underworld), most of the time the game just shows us some random creature showing up

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As in, I find Cagnazzo to be one such case where there is actual exposition being thrown at you.

The final boss of, say, Fractal Continuum, doesn't exactly inspire the same level of importance now does it?

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Originally Posted by Midareyukki

Did I say anything about the time allotted for them?

I'm actually thinking of the resources required to animate all of it xD surely that must be an additional cost than to just have it be introduced into the dungeon normally like some other bosses are.

As well as their impact in the plot. imo? Cutscenes are moments where there's no interaction with the game, so they should be made to count. So it's less about impatience, and more on importance. On the fact that those cutscenes kind of don't add anything to the plot, unlike what ICountFrom0 implied.

Time had nothing to do with it xD



...okay, and? Seraphor, for real, did you immediately forget what I wrote to ICountFrom0?

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As in, I find Cagnazzo to be one such case where there is actual exposition being thrown at you.

The final boss of, say, Fractal Continuum, doesn't exactly inspire the same level of importance now does it?

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Yes, it's swings and roundabouts.

You have longer, plot relevant cutscenes, that are more annoying, but more important to let players see.
And you have shorter, fluff cutscenes, that don't really matter, but are also so short that it doesn't hurt to wait the 5 seconds for them to finish.

Neither of these are a problem to endure.

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Originally Posted by Midareyukki

I agree with Kolaina. Apart from the times where there is actual exposition being thrown at you (ie, Lahabrea showing up and tainting the Thousand Maws of Toto-Rak, setting him up as a villain while also introducing you the next boss, or Amon in the underworld), most of the time the game just shows us some random creature showing up, doing the roar or weird JoJo pose, and we start a fight. That isn't exactly any more story than just having that thing be in the game outside a cutscene altogether.

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And you do understand that "roar" is also a kind of storytelling, right?

Ever have this happen at start of the duty. It is showing the opening cutscene and you have one watching it dc and can't leave the circle till they completely disconnect. There should be no cutscenes in duties. Only before you enter and when you're leaving the duty.

How about instead make the pointlessly unskippable opening cutscene in Praetorium skippable.

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Originally Posted by VictorSpoils

How about instead make the pointlessly unskippable opening cutscene in Praetorium skippable.

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BINGO, and this is what I predicted would be said in this topic.

Obvious troll was obvious, and we actually took 3 pages for somebody to fall for the bait!

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Originally Posted by ICountFrom0

BINGO, and this is what I predicted would be said in this topic.

Obvious troll was obvious, and we actually took 3 pages for somebody to fall for the bait!

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What bait? You didn’t bait anyone, and someone with a different view is not necessarily a troll.

Praetorium used to be completely skippable before all the cry bullying happened. I understand why they made it unskippable as it has actual story and dialogue in the duty. However, the opening cutscene is way to long for what it is; arriving at the duty. The same event that happens at every duty. But longer this time. Why? To see Biggs and Wedge? Big whoop

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Originally Posted by Kolaina

What bait? You didn’t bait anyone, and someone with a different view is not necessarily a troll.

Praetorium used to be completely skippable before all the cry bullying happened. I understand why they made it unskippable as it has actual story and dialogue in the duty. However, the opening cutscene is way to long for what it is; arriving at the duty. The same event that happens at every duty. But longer this time. Why? To see Biggs and Wedge? Big whoop

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and you continue to fall for the bait, why must you do this?

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Originally Posted by Atelier-Bagur

and you continue to fall for the bait, why must you do this?

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Keep claiming bait when there is none. Discussion is valid

I dislike unskippable cutscenes, especially in MSQ. The parts where you have to talk to each person in first person mode and if you pic the wrong dialogue you have to start over the whole cutscene. Horrible design.

In dungeons and raids the only 2 I avoid are the one dungeons where you cannot skip cutscenes at all. Really bad design.

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Originally Posted by Atelier-Bagur

and you continue to fall for the bait, why must you do this?

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The reversal where they tried to make it sound like I was trolling and setting out bait that nobody took was quite nice. Quite silly as my other post was quite clear.

Topic exists to get somebody to take a certain stance, that stance will then cause fighting.

Person A says "thing"
Person B says "thing in reply" ... but that reply is a topic that ALWAYS becomes a troll fight.

Did A troll? Did B Troll? Can't prove either, but now the topic is a riot.

It's an amusing meta shift in trolling on here lately. Instead of making the fight themselves, they instead setup a trap for folks to stumble into.

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Originally Posted by ICountFrom0

The reversal where they tried to make it sound like I was trolling and setting out bait that nobody took was quite nice. Quite silly as my other post was quite clear.

Topic exists to get somebody to take a certain stance, that stance will then cause fighting.

Person A says "thing"
Person B says "thing in reply" ... but that reply is a topic that ALWAYS becomes a troll fight.

Did A troll? Did B Troll? Can't prove either, but now the topic is a riot.

It's an amusing meta shift in trolling on here lately. Instead of making the fight themselves, they instead setup a trap for folks to stumble into.

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No. It’s an attempt to dismiss a discussion by claiming a win where there is no winner or loser. It’s an attempt to derail instead of addressing the topic.

It’s the equivalent of “I win because I changed the rules. Get baited kid”. Throwing out claims instead of counter points.

Discussion is about cutscenes needing to become unskippable. Counter point is cutscenes aren’t that grand and people aren’t missing much.

Your participation is “I win because”

/slow clap

Nope. Nope. Nope.

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Originally Posted by Payadopa

The level of intellectual dishonest. Yeesh. lol You have seen the dungeons a million times. You can wait. A new player is more important. It's that simple.

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We all pay a sub so no one is more important actually. You sit here insulting people but then spout idiotic things that make you seem foolish .They dont lose anything by not doing the first 5% of the boss so they can sit there and watch the cutscene.