Yoshi-P: "If you want more engaging content, go play Ultimate"

(Most) healers have long accepted that healing requirements and fight design will not change. That is fine. That is perfectly okay.

What is not okay is the fact we have nothing to do when we are not healing. What is not okay is so many classes getting so much self/party healing that it is negating the little healers have to do. What is not okay is fights being tuned so loosely that they can be done without any healers whatsoever (normal raid, EX fights, certain floors of savage, all while relevant content).

It's entirely possible to carve out a space that is enjoyable for healer mains within those parameters without changing the skill floor whatsoever. The devs just refuse to even try. Healing is the only role that gets less enjoyable the more capable and geared your team mates are. It's ridiculous. If healers are just meant to suck it up and only derive enjoyment from the first 1-2 weeks of savage prog or attempting ultimate if you can find a group willing (it's hard enough getting your static to show up on time for Savage) then there's really no reason for them to exist at all because that's a really shitty ratio of enjoyment to time over the course of an expansion.

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Originally Posted by iheartlove42

If you find all the content boring except Ultimates then why are you playing the game? If you think it is boring because it's not tryhard enough then quit. It's a Final Fantasy game not a FromSoftware game. Final Fantasy has never been a difficult game series or about difficulty.

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Garbage argument. Content is plenty enjoyable on any other role. Healers get bored because their gameplay consists largely of pressing a single button over and over again. It isn't a "make everything harder" post.

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Originally Posted by iheartlove42

If you find all the content boring except Ultimates then why are you playing the game? If you think it is boring because it's not tryhard enough then quit. It's a Final Fantasy game not a FromSoftware game. Final Fantasy has never been a difficult game series or about difficulty.

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It’s not about difficulty. It’s about engagement for the last time. There is nothing engaging no matter whether you’re doing ultimate or sastasha about spamming 1 button 90% of a fight. Let’s change all dps and tank rotations to one button and see what kind of reactions that gets. Surely it won’t be many positive ones hm?

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Originally Posted by Fhaerron

Yes and just like with Savage or EX for that reason, after you've done it multiple times it becomes auto pilot and you'll have the same issue once again. Not to mention they just cut an entire ultimate and heavily delayed it (No stop using covid as an excuse for everything).

This is just pure arrogance in my opinion.

Now I wait for all the whiteknights coming with pitchforks and trow me on the bonfire.

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I think I rather see this game crash and burn under the weight of its own success and ineptitude at this point. So much for that reputation of this game's devs listening to player feedback. Clearly nobody in the dev team department are listening or are just cherry picking certain feedback while the majority of the playerbase further barks louder over long overdue changes. They are repeating the same mistake that caused 1.0 to be a colossal failure.

.....is what I would like to say to join this hate parade against the devs. I think its just as simple as that healing complexity hasnt been as big of an issue as most people think it is. Unless the majority of the playerbase start to rally harder to demand these changes, the devs wont be considering in adjusting roles. Or maybe they have been thinking about it, idk.

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Originally Posted by iheartlove42

If you find all the content boring except Ultimates then why are you playing the game? If you think it is boring because it's not tryhard enough then quit. It's a Final Fantasy game not a FromSoftware game. Final Fantasy has never been a difficult game series or about difficulty.

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No one is asking for Elden Ring difficulty around here. We're just fed up with having so little in the way of "fun" buttons.

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Originally Posted by QooEr

as if ultimates were really any different.


check a log–any log– from ANY ultimate. even gray logs have each healer casting their dps spell like 140 times at the very least.


the only ultimate that really kind of tests healers is TEA, and thats only for the first 5 minutes of the fight. the other two ultimates are potency and gear crept to hell and back and dont present much challenge anymore. what then? wait for dragonsong ultimate?

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I disagree a bit, specifically pertaining to OP. It's still spicy to heal Garuda and Golden Bahamut auto kills you if you go there without planned mit and heals

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Originally Posted by localareanetwork

I disagree a bit, specifically pertaining to OP. It's still spicy to heal Garuda and Golden Bahamut auto kills you if you go there without planned mit and heals

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I think this is where the discussion just starts to dilute. People like OP feel like there class is too inadequate in high level play for it to be considered interesting and fun yet others like myself feel the classes are fine as is due to how its already difficult for them in normal content. I think what we need is a nice middle ground. I would like to see a healing overhaul where the jobs gets more tweaks to heal and deal damage while keeping the class toolkit simple.

I for one started with majorly disagreeing aveyond-dreams arguments because I felt she was being asinine with her complaints, but after reading some stuff here I think I'm starting to understand where she and most of the people who complain are coming from. They dont want complexity, they just seek a bit of flavor in their toolkits that have them do at least one other thing during dps time.

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Originally Posted by iheartlove42

If you find all the content boring except Ultimates then why are you playing the game? If you think it is boring because it's not tryhard enough then quit. It's a Final Fantasy game not a FromSoftware game. Final Fantasy has never been a difficult game series or about difficulty.

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Lol, this is a borderline toxic reply. He didn't even add anything to the conversation. Just comes in and attacks other players who are offering constructive criticism.

The worst part even is that healers asking for more outgoing damage to the party hurts no one. More skilled players want to heal more instead of pressing 1-1-1-1 and less experienced healers won't get chewed on for spamming heals instead of dpsing cause then it actually makes sense to do so. It validates both parties in this case.

And I'm not talking about adding more "no outgoing damage for a whole minute then suddenly bring the target/party to 0, they better be topped off in 10 seconds or die!" cause those aren't even fun, they're just stressful for no reason. In fact it feels like we only get those mechanics to justify our overpowered healing kits. I want things like stronger autos, more frequent and varying in damage raidwides, bleeds, varying damage on players for performing certain mechanics. I could make a list of all the places I wish there were healing in all of the recent tiers. I just want to heal more instead of pressing 1-1-1-1. The only mechanic in mind I actually found enjoyable to heal in recent memory is shiva in e12s since there was thought going into that.

I truly understand wanting all roles and jobs being accessible to everyone but people with healer and tank anxiety are gonna have it regardless of how "easy" or "accessible" it is. Cause literally me @ tanking despite knowing how "easy" it is to hit 1-2-3 and slap a cooldown when a buster hits. I just don't like it! It's not for me. Not everyone needs to like how every role feels. I personally feel that a lot of people think that healing is hard, tanking is hard, because of their anxieties and not actually how the classes themselves play. Tanking is hard for me for this reason. But in that case you should just play a role you enjoy, not at the expense of others who play a particular role exactly for the reason you are anxious about.

As it is now, it's only pushing many healers who enjoy the role out of it because we want to be playing a support but the game is making us play a dps who heals sometimes. They say "healer dps doesn't matter", that's just not true when a lot of times they can mean the difference between a clear or not in savages and ultimates. Heck extremes even! (Looking at adds in levi unreal)

Before anyone says "you're probably in a static"- I am! But also I've spent more hours playing on pf and df than I do with my static. I'm also not a parser, I just like helping people clear content.

I personally think that healers should get basic attack combos. In particular, the same way that Tanks and DPS gain damage and buffs from executing combos properly, healers should get some crowd control and debuffs for proper combo execution. (Slow, heavy, blind, silence, etc.)

I also think that limiting these combos to single target would keep healers busy enough juggling targets to keep debuffs up and only occasionally having time to spam AoEs. We kind of have that with single DoTs but that only feels like half of the potential for a fleshed out healer debuff/DPS kit. Maybe a branching 1-2 combo, with a couple 2s granting different debuffs, would add enough variety.

To my mind, making healers have a secondary debuff/mezzers role just makes sense. It gives them a few more buttons and sense of agency, but in a way that is still easily balanced because the utility is mostly in trash mob control and doesn't affect boss tuning substantially. Since bosses should generally be immune to debuffs and therefore healers would mostly just have to focus on proper rotation.

Another oGCD damage spell per job would also be nice. At least playing Sage I feel like addersting needs more application than one ability.

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Originally Posted by IttyBitty

(Most) healers have long accepted that healing requirements and fight design will not change. That is fine. That is perfectly okay.

What is not okay is the fact we have nothing to do when we are not healing.

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There are things to do when you don't need to heal it's called doing damage. Every healer has a dps toolkit for a reason. I'm loving Sage because it focuses so much on dps and reminds me of when Scholar used to be the same way before it got gutted.

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Originally Posted by Tanis_Ebonhart

Okay...? Play Savage then.

I'm fine with healers being chill for most stuff. If I want a challenge then Savage is more than enough.

Not every encounter has to be a struggle.

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You realize even the Savages suffer from this right? They are scripted to a the t in both the timeline and damage itself. Even in week 1 you are dpsing more than you are healing. At best we just want more to do during the downtime. Is that really too much to ask for?

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Originally Posted by seraf

There are things to do when you don't need to heal it's called doing damage. Every healer has a dps toolkit for a reason. I'm loving Sage because it focuses so much on dps and reminds me of when Scholar used to be the same way before it got gutted.

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inb4 somebody tells you're stilling doing 1,1,1,1,1 as a Sage.

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Originally Posted by localareanetwork

I disagree a bit, specifically pertaining to OP. It's still spicy to heal Garuda and Golden Bahamut auto kills you if you go there without planned mit and heals

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on one hand, i agree. half of garuda is helios spam from the frictions and what not. the akh morns are quite scary and even primal roulette can feel a little thrilling.

but even then, youre Still spamming stone broil malefic dosis 150 times. i think my ucob clear had 200 malefic casts. its not like ultimate is constant damage and healing for 15 minutes. its a 15 minute fight where theres a couple of 2-3 minute phases where your ogcds cover maybe half the damage instead of all of it.


now im not saying this fight design is Bad, and im not saying they Should make ultimate a 15 minute long heal spam fest. but if its not going to be, please just for the love of god give us more to do in the other 10 minutes when im not healing. i used to like doing ARR dungeons because you had more non-healing buttons to press as a lv 16 conjurer than now as a lv 90 whm. what gives.

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Originally Posted by QooEr

on one hand, i agree. half of garuda is helios spam from the frictions and what not. the akh morns are quite scary and even primal roulette can feel a little thrilling.

but even then, youre Still spamming stone broil malefic dosis 150 times. i think my ucob clear had 200 malefic casts. its not like ultimate is constant damage and healing for 15 minutes. its a 15 minute fight where theres a couple of 2-3 minute phases where your ogcds cover maybe half the damage instead of all of it.


now im not saying this fight design is Bad, and im not saying they Should make ultimate a 15 minute long heal spam fest. but if its not going to be, please just for the love of god give us more to do in the other 10 minutes when im not healing. i used to like doing ARR dungeons because you had more non-healing buttons to press as a lv 16 conjurer than now as a lv 90 whm. what gives.

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Personally I liked ARR dungeons because they had a bit more substance going on than the set dressing FFXIII esque hallway design of current dungeons. I still like them, but I wish they were more open-ended with various paths or little quirks added in to aid progression. Dont know if you're referring to current healer kit in ARR content or old healer kit in ARR content because healing in level 50 content is boring as heck! Unless its Aurum Vale or Dzmael Darkhold....

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Originally Posted by QooEr

on one hand, i agree. half of garuda is helios spam from the frictions and what not. the akh morns are quite scary and even primal roulette can feel a little thrilling.

but even then, youre Still spamming stone broil malefic dosis 150 times. i think my ucob clear had 200 malefic casts. its not like ultimate is constant damage and healing for 15 minutes. its a 15 minute fight where theres a couple of 2-3 minute phases where your ogcds cover maybe half the damage instead of all of it.


now im not saying this fight design is Bad, and im not saying they Should make ultimate a 15 minute long heal spam fest. but if its not going to be, please just for the love of god give us more to do in the other 10 minutes when im not healing. i used to like doing ARR dungeons because you had more non-healing buttons to press as a lv 16 conjurer than now as a lv 90 whm. what gives.

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Did you really though? You only had one more DoT at level 50 than you have now and Shroud of Saints. You also had Fluid Aura, but you were griefing if you actually used it.

I guess you had Cleric Stance back then too? But I don't think anyone actually liked that at the time and only likes it now in retrospect (much like Stormblood DRK).

Healing was always kinda ass outside of HW SCH.

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Originally Posted by Atelier-Bagur

Dont know if you're referring to current healer kit in ARR content or old healer kit in ARR content because healing in level 50 content is boring as heck! Unless its Aurum Vale or Dzmael Darkhold....

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old healer kit in ARR content. im not exaggerating when i say any healer had more stuff to do during downtime (and also less downtime) in sastasha during heavensward.

im not saying we should go back, but surely if those lv 16 newbies could handle aero, stone, fluid aura, maybe a cross classed thunder.... why did aero iii suddenly become too much to handle in shadowbringers? a fresh lv 30 scholar could handle energy drain, bio, bio ii, miasma... but suddenly in shadowbringers lv 80 healers will have panic attacks if they have more than just bio and broil? yeah right

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Originally Posted by Atelier-Bagur

inb4 somebody tells you're stilling doing 1,1,1,1,1 as a Sage.

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Second this. Sage is a step in the right direction, encouraging uptime of doing *something* in between heals. But spamming dosis is boring, and I have definitely noticed that when I am not healing (which is frequent) I am quite bored.

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Originally Posted by AziraSyuren

Did you really though? You only had one more DoT at level 50 than you have now and Shroud of Saints. You also had Fluid Aura, but you were griefing if you actually used it.

I guess you had Cleric Stance back then too? But I don't think anyone actually liked that at the time and only likes it now in retrospect (much like Stormblood DRK).

Healing was always kinda ass outside of HW SCH.

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"just one more dot at lv 50" isnt that much and its still more than a lv 90 whm.

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Originally Posted by QooEr

as if ultimates were really any different.


check a log–any log– from ANY ultimate. even gray logs have each healer casting their dps spell like 140 times at the very least.


the only ultimate that really kind of tests healers is TEA, and thats only for the first 5 minutes of the fight. the other two ultimates are potency and gear crept to hell and back and dont present much challenge anymore. what then? wait for dragonsong ultimate?

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If you say it like that, unsub and go play something else.

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Originally Posted by OskarXCI

If you say it like that, unsub and go play something else.

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you say it like im not subbed just for bis and just waiting for ultimate lol. dont even log in cuz its not fun outside of reclears anymore

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Originally Posted by QooEr

old healer kit in ARR content. im not exaggerating when i say any healer had more stuff to do during downtime (and also less downtime) in sastasha during heavensward.

im not saying we should go back, but surely if those lv 16 newbies could handle aero, stone, fluid aura, maybe a cross classed thunder.... why did aero iii suddenly become too much to handle in shadowbringers? a fresh lv 30 scholar could handle energy drain, bio, bio ii, miasma... but suddenly in shadowbringers lv 80 healers will have panic attacks if they have more than just bio and broil? yeah right

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I wish we still had cross class skills, then that would probably fix all the "boring" combat and class design issues people have now with the game.

Sage is really the same as scholar. The only difference is that instead of pressing your damage over time attack, you have to unlock it with Eukrasia. This does feel really good but it's not a big difference.

Maybe Criterion dungeons will offer something.

TEA is pretty rough on healers during LL. That was tuned extremely well, but it does easier in that department once you get past BJ/CC, it's savage level at best from that point on. I figure he might have been referring to that.

I'd also argue healing can be testy on week 1 savage in the last two floors when you are barely geared, but as soon as you get a few upgrades things change dramatically. Sometimes I feel their balancing team seems to blow the lids off once you gain +10 ilvl.

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Originally Posted by Atelier-Bagur

I wish we still had cross class skills, then that would probably fix all the "boring" combat and class design issues people have now with the game.

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Cross-class skills didn't even do anything good in the glory days of HW. They were just there.

You could go on and on about "fake choice" and "balance issues," but the truth is that they were an inconsequential extra button press even at their best.

And they would be now were they re-added.

Sadly I think the answer is M+ if you want a challenging healing experience, where there’s constant damage to heal and you have more than one dps button. The fact that this game is largely built around scripted incoming damage makes changes difficult in terms of making healing busier. I don’t know if there’s any reason why they don’t give healers more damage buttons though?

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Originally Posted by AziraSyuren

Cross-class skills didn't even do anything good in the glory days of HW. They were just there.

You could go on and on about "fake choice" and "balance issues," but the truth is that they were an inconsequential extra button press even at their best.

And they would be now were they re-added.

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So what, you WOULDNT want some black mage or Summoner spells to fit into your dps toolkit as a healer. My fault for not specifying, I meant the "spirit" of cross-class skills not the limited version they once had. If this class system played a bit like FFV where you have a primary job with a secondary job that would be the best thing ever in an MMO.

Perhaps I'm one of the very few who chose to play healer in savage and ultimates because we have only two dps buttons to worry about due to tunnel visioning issues.

I play all roles but generally couldn't do anything past extremes without dropping rotations due to focusing on mechanics, or dying to mechanics due to focusing on rotations at the wrong time.

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Originally Posted by aveyond-dreams

No one is asking for Elden Ring difficulty around here. We're just fed up with having so little in the way of "fun" buttons.

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You will note that whenever people ask for more difficult content it always jumps to extremes like Dark Souls games etc. Same with how asking for more non-throwaway character deaths in the story is equated with wanting GoT levels of it.

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Originally Posted by WhiteWitch

Tank Gameplay is really boring too. Like it’s not just a healer thing.Does anyone actually like spamming 2 aoe skills in dungeons?

I think people come to this game hoping for good gameplay but really I wouldn’t recommend gameplay to my IRL friends as a selling point of this game. The story experience is streamline and easy for single player. It doesn’t seem like they will change the way this game is DPS oriented now that it’s been out almost 10 years.

Side note as a healer main , I don’t know why healers ask for more dps skills. You don’t want to have more crud to press in savage raids plus healing your team and running around too.

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yeah you have your basic AoEs and your ogcds mixed in along with damage mitigation. Its not boring, whatsoever. I counter your statement that I was able to get friends who wouldnt play MMOs to try FFXIV due to how easy it is and they wound up enjoying it. So yeah that opinion of yours goes both ways, fight me.

Going by what YoshiP's said last night and in Media Tour interviews, the crux of the issue seems to be in the devs feeling pressured they have to have every member in the party to be fully utilizing their kits in order for them to clear their hardest content.
If they add a robust dps kit to Healers, they believe they have to design Ultimates with Healers taking full advantage of it in mind and think that adds too much weight on them for the clear.

Except, if that's the case I think it's fine for them to design them without the extra dps that'd bring? Would it be unacceptable to design them around only being able to do as much as the current single button dps-ing can, as long as they make the healing difficult enough to make it hard enough to even get around to it?

Healers only really get the chance to dps regularly in duties if the party's doing everything well. That requires everyone to know the fight, which in most cases mean the party's farming or running roulettes, and I think it's perfectly fine to be given that extra dps at that point.

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Originally Posted by Atelier-Bagur

If this class system played a bit like FFV where you have a primary job with a secondary job that would be the best thing ever in an MMO.

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That's FF11. FF11 did that, and it's one of the high points of the game. Part of why I still play FF11 to this day.

However, it works in FF11 because 11 is a toolkit game, and not overly concerned with all jobs being balanced roughly equal in all content. FF14 is a rotation game balanced around every job being able to clear every piece of content with (ideally to the devs) a minimum of difference in performance between them (which, imo, ironically makes it easier for some jobs to become strictly superior to others - there's no lateral qualitative differences). BLU would be the closest thing to trying to drop a kit-MMO-esque design into 14, and it's a limited job precisely because that doesn't work well with the rest of FF14's design paradigm.

Trying to drop a subclass system into FF14 would likely just produce highly ossified specs a-la WoW. Even FF11 has meta job/subjob combos for anything remotely relevant at endgame. For a game like 14, I'd rather see every job be made innately fun, rather than leaning on those that are to prop up those that aren't. It's not hard to do. BLU in a healer role basically has ARR-WHM's healing kit, only somehow WORSE (Med-2 equivalent is on a 2 minute cooldown, NO oGCDs, etc.), and yet I find it to be the most fun healer in any sub-savage content even when I have to cut most of the Moonflute burst subkit. Just 1-2 buttons with a frequent upkeep beyond Sonic Boom and Song of Torment makes a ton of difference.

The game doesn't even require you to equip a job stone, not to mention to play anything correctly even in a level 90 instance so it can't also require healing to be important/active that much.

If healers would have to be quite active with their buttons it would imply either constant unavoidable damage (low ball solution) or tanks under constant fire (so they feel useless and have to just stand there, look angry and wait for heals). People fearing responsibility would stop/not play healers and then mostly the higher percentiles would remain... And sprouts would have a rough time as well. There is no good solution for healing (or tanking) with how the game is right now.

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Originally Posted by Azurarok

Going by what YoshiP's said last night and in Media Tour interviews, the crux of the issue seems to be in the devs feeling pressured they have to have every member in the party to be fully utilizing their kits in order for them to clear their hardest content.
If they add a robust dps kit to Healers, they believe they have to design Ultimates with Healers taking full advantage of it in mind and think that adds too much weight on them for the clear.

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In Ultimates right now, healers are spending the majority of their GCD's casting damage so not much would change.

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Originally Posted by Azurarok

Healers only really get the chance to dps regularly in duties if the party's doing everything well. That requires everyone to know the fight, which in most cases mean the party's farming or running roulettes, and I think it's perfectly fine to be given that extra dps at that point.

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Even if everything is going to hell, I'm still able to stabilize with OGCD's, maybe a GCD or two and continue doing damage.

In Ex or Savage content, a few too many deaths and you don't make enrage, and most death is due to not knowing mechanics and being one shot. Nothing healers can affect.

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Originally Posted by WhiteWitch

I actually think stat squish made the casual game fun again. people get hit harder now and healers have more healing to do. Have y’all queued for anything in a while ?
I saw some people die to the stingray in void ark. Truly amazing!

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I've been running MINE (min-ilvl, no echo) runs of old EX trials (as well as rarer instances of Coil and Savages) frequently since EW dropped. While some bosses do hit harder again, beyond ARR (because the healer kits simply lack many oGCDs) runs that aren't full of mistakes can still be comfortably healed with a low number of GCD heals. Furthermore, there are still long, long portions of many fights where there's simply no damage outgoing and nothing to heal. That gulf is filled by 1-DoT-1-1-1-1-1-1-etc.

One of the reasons I do MINE content is explicitly because it's often frequented by sprouts, and thus lends the possibility to reexperience "prog" (the only time healing is engaging) on these old fights. Anytime the party is instead filled with veterans grabbing a nostalgia hit, the healing is trivialized.

I've sometimes tried to run as BLU spec'd to a healer loadout to spice things up, but people can be understandably reticent to allow that (because BLU is seen as abnormal, and MINE is often done to recoup a feeling of doing the fight "proper"; because BLU still counts as a DPS for mechanics; etc.)

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Originally Posted by WhiteWitch

Adding more dps skills to healer would just make them a dps class. Go play a dps when you’re bored of healing for a day. That’s what I do.

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Healers in FF14 had more DPS skills in the past, and were still healers. FF14 Blue mage can take every available healing spell for it currently, still have more DPS buttons than full-job healers, and still heal every fight in the game they can access (including O12S). I've played MMOs with a heavier healing load that gave healers more to do in their (reduced) downtime than FF14 does (FF11, SMT: IMAGINE [though most people offloaded healing duty to their pets], SWtOR).

The devs take care that every DPS job is engaging to play. They also seem to have compromised on tanks by giving them more engaging DPS kits, even as actual aspects of tanking are de-emphasized (aggro management, positioning the boss, actually rotating mitigations instead of just popping a cooldown before a telegraphed buster, etc.). Healers, on the other hand, either have to play Ultimate, be progressing an EX+ fight, or hope that their party bad enough to carry (but not so bad that they cannot clear). Either play the hardest content in the game, babysit the kids, or just don't play. Riveting.

And again, we have a literal in-game example, in the form of BLU, that the game doesn't crack in half when the healer's kit isn't bloated with overhealing.

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Originally Posted by Deceptus

This is effectively what the lead designer of this game told Healers in the latest live letter.

Consider if he had said that about your role for a second and how you would feel.

Forget the leveling experience, it doesn't matter.

Forget dungeons up to 90, they don't matter.

Forget normal raids, EX's, and Savage, they don't matter.

If you want your job to be engaging, play Ultimate, the hardest content in the game that only a few percentage of actual players do.

Engagement shouldn't be either 0% or 100%. It shouldn't be either braindead easy in 95% of content or pull your hair out in the hardest thing the game offers.

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come to lost ark all the endgame content is hard even the dungeons

Some people in this thread need to get good. MFW "healing normal raid is stressful" LOL

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Originally Posted by Xaruko_Nexume

Also, I feel like a lot of posters in this thread likely play mostly with statics or friends and as a result, are out of touch with the general player base. Not the devs. The OP has a forum signature that pretty much says this, which is ironic. Just being on these forums almost automatically puts you at a higher level than most players who rarely know they even exist.

Almost every day in my daily roulettes, I STILL encounter healers who dont even want to DPS as things are RIGHT NOW...and this thread clamors for MORE challenge...

so Yoshi P has the data and has the right path going forward here, I believe.

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MFW "being on the forums puts you at a higher level".

ROFL

I've been saying this for a while, content shouldn't be either 100% braindead or 100% stressing and draining... Playing other games doesn't make me feel this way and im tired of people making it seem like a me problem, this game definitely has engaging gameplay issues.

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Originally Posted by Skiros

Some people in this thread need to get good. MFW "healing normal raid is stressful" LOL

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There are varying degrees of "skill" but trying to hold everyone back because of the fear of failure never helped anyone.

There's an old Mark Twain quote that comes to mind:

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Censorship is telling a man he can't have a steak just because a baby can't chew it.

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Somewhat relevant to the discussion. Telling Healers they can't have engaging gameplay in most facets of the game because of certain player's inability to do certain things.

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Originally Posted by iheartlove42

If you find all the content boring except Ultimates then why are you playing the game? If you think it is boring because it's not tryhard enough then quit. It's a Final Fantasy game not a FromSoftware game. Final Fantasy has never been a difficult game series or about difficulty.

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