Has the WoW crowd taken over now?

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Originally Posted by AnnaUK

I joined a raid on my alt for the first time for my msq.

I asked if there was anything I should know. They answered "Don't die kek" later in the raid they died :D

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Haha well that's a pretty common joke and can often be a good indicator of a party that's not going to give you grief over stuff because it can laugh at its mistakes, pick itself up, and try again.

Yeah, wow players are why we are expected to know how to play the game after 5+ years, it's over casual bros, we lost.

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Originally Posted by RobynDaBank

I bet they came from SWtOR too!

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SWTOR, so much promise, so very little delivered. Only thing they did get right was the raiding, damn was the raiding good in it.

Pity they couldn't balance the classes worth a damn and PvP was always a one sided stomp because faction to faction class mirror balance was a joke...

I'm sure anyone that played for any length of time remembers the infamous Commando Grav round spam and Scoundrel Scattergun stunlocks

Or how everyone and his dog played Sorcerer on the Sith side because they could just spam chain Lightning all day...

I so wanted to love that game, then they decided that as unpopular as having to get a random roll box for your loot every week wasn't frustrating enough ...let's riddle the entire game with Gacha trash.

SWTOR stands as a testament of how not to make an MMORPG

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Originally Posted by JanVanding

SWTOR, so much promise, so very little delivered. Only thing they did get right was the raiding, damn was the raiding good in it.

Pity they couldn't balance the classes worth a damn and PvP was always a one sided stomp because faction to faction class mirror balance was a joke...

I'm sure anyone that played for any length of time remembers the infamous Commando Grav round spam and Scoundrel Scattergun stunlocks

Or how everyone and his dog played Sorcerer on the Sith side because they could just spam chain Lightning all day...

I so wanted to love that game, then they decided that as unpopular as having to get a random roll box for your loot every week wasn't frustrating enough ...let's riddle the entire game with Gacha trash.

SWTOR stands as a testament of how not to make an MMORPG

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imo the only thing they got right was the questing experience and class story quests stuff. The story isn't as good as FF14's but it's fun to do and see all the different outcomes.

Just gotta look at the start date of the OP to know the OP is one of the aforementioned "wow crowd" and this topic is just intended to rile people up. They haven't even responded once since making the original topic, so you know that it was just intended as a troll post.

Incidentally, I am a "wow player" but have played FFXIV concurrently with wow for years. You can't paint everyone with the same brush. FFXIV has always had it's share of jerks, just like any other game. But now that the population is booming, the jerk pile has gotten bigger as well.

There's nothing wrong with this, I'm not understanding the issue.

“I’m doing this for 2 days please no more failures” They have every right to look for people that won't keep dying to the same thing 67 times. Not everyone could make it into savage statics, but that doesnt make them bad or even average players. Some of them are still very very good. and they'd like to match up with others who are very good yet displaced too so that they together can get that all bosses clear in the first week just like their peers. They should 100% be able to. They just need to meet the right people. and I'm sorry to say it, but most of you won't be the right people lol. Demanding parse logs in-game is bad because its against the rules, but whatever else they do is just fine-being choosy isnt a bannable offense. They try really hard to prepare and get everything right for this. They put time into meticulously learning fights and all they want is to easily be able to assemble teams who do the same.

They shouldnt have to babysit randoms who only half-watched a streamer once or even worse, didnt watch anything at all.
Plus, the MAJORITY of groups ARE for everyone else. As an average player, you should have no issues finding an average group. Average meaning, you go in blind, or a little experience, or you're feeling it out, or the dpsing doesnt matter to you..whatever it may be. What I'm trying to say here is that they have the right to find others who dont want to mess around and just want that clear asap. People who arent aiming for a clear within 4 attemps arent entitled to their time and efforts. Make your owns groups just like they're making their own. It'll fill just fine.

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Originally Posted by Kandraxx

Going through PF the last couple days, I see lots of “advertising” like:

“4k dps = instakick”
“no clowns please”
“2 fails = kick”
“know what to do there will be no talk or stay out”
“I’m doing this for 2 days please no more failures”

Generally stuff I would typically expect to see in WoW, also noticed a harshening of tone in duties like alliance raids.

It’s sad that the same thing has arrived here now.

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LITERALLY every single thing you typed will get you banned in FF14 if reported. So no the WoW crowd has not taken over. I wish the devs were more proactive in policing the PF but whatever.

As someone who came over from WoW only this past Summer after 16 years in it, I am surprised so many long time FFXIV players don't defend and protect their game more. The massive exodus this year is something I think of more as the Asmongold exodus than simply the WoW exodus. Most of his core audience is a certain type of player ( I came over about a month before he did) and that's the type of player that some seem to be causing issue.

It's like the MMORPG universe is a city. On one side you have an insane asylum, (WoW) and on the other side a nice well kempt country club (FFXIV). Then one day, all the inmates at the asylum come over to the country club. And the country club members defend the inmates? Madness.

But what can you really do about it? Some of us form WoW came to find a better place, not to be elitists and cause trouble. So even if you could keep out the Asmon bandwagoners it would take people like me out with them.

So on one hand, yes don't group all WoW refugees into the same box. But at the same time lets have some nuance here. Many of them have terrible attitudes at best, and at worse are used to a gaming community where people are regularly told to uninstall and play in traffic.

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Originally Posted by Xaruko_Nexume

As someone who came over from WoW only this past Summer after 16 years in it, I am surprised so many long time FFXIV players don't defend and protect their game more. The massive exodus this year is something I think of more as the Asmongold exodus than simply the WoW exodus. Most of his core audience is a certain type of player ( I came over about a month before he did) and that's the type of player that some seem to be causing issue.

It's like the MMORPG universe is a city. On one side you have an insane asylum, (WoW) and on the other side a nice well kempt country club (FFXIV). Then one day, all the inmates at the asylum come over to the country club. And the country club members defend the inmates? Madness.

But what can you really do about it? Some of us form WoW came to find a better place, not to be elitists and cause trouble. So even if you could keep out the Asmon bandwagoners it would take people like me out with them.

So on one hand, yes don't group all WoW refugees into the same box. But at the same time lets have some nuance here. Many of them have terrible attitudes at best, and at worse are used to a gaming community where people are regularly told to uninstall and play in traffic.

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"Let's not group all WoW refugees in the same box, but refer to their MMO as an insane asylum"

Thanks for not contributing to the toxic "us vs them" mentality in the XIV community!

Seriously, the amount of hate/fear going on because somebody plays a different video game in this community is really unhealthy. You don't see this anywhere else.

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Originally Posted by Xaruko_Nexume

So on one hand, yes don't group all WoW refugees into the same box. But at the same time lets have some nuance here. Many of them have terrible attitudes at best, and at worse are used to a gaming community where people are regularly told to uninstall and play in traffic.

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You're not 100% wrong and the crowd of people who left WoW many years ago for XIV aren't 100% right. Yes, the prevalent attitude of the vocal WoW community is trashy, to say the least. The differences between the people who came here to follow a streamer/content creator because they've got no better option and those who made the move because they truly thought XIV was the better game for them are manifold. I welcome people from the latter group with open arms; I was once one of them and understand that people need a change of game at times. I don't welcome the former group though since they've got little to no investment in XIV.

On the flip side, I believe saying "I'm a WoW refugee too, I left 6 years ago" in the context of discussion of the problems **recent** WoW refugees have caused is both accurate and inaccurate. Yes, the vast majority of non-East Asian players likely played WoW as their main or only MMO, myself included. However, I left WoW 10 years ago, started playing XIV solely on its own merits, and not as a replacement for something I was fleeing from. As such, I became heavily invested in the game and community to an extent I wouldn't have had I made the switch on a whim or with a large crowd of people, such as a guild changing games all at once, or part of a mass flock exodus due to popular figures playing the game. I've never considered myself a WoW Refugee because I didn't come here seeking asylum when abandoning a hostile game and community. I do, however, consider myself an XIV Player given my investment in the game.

To my mind, these are the cruxes of the issue: those people who left WoW and came to XIV out of a sincere desire to play this game because of what it is are more invested in the game, the community, and their individual good behavior while playing. Those players who only left WoW recently often seem to carry the culture of that game with them and their lack of investment in XIV as a game and community sees them continuing that behavior here. We can't lump all "WoW Refugees" together in the same group, but we can certainly tell the difference between segments of that population. The negative connotations of that epithet are, unfortunately, reinforced enough that they ring true for a substantial segment of the players who recently left WoW.

That being said, we can't throw the wheat out with the chaff, as much as some would like to, so the best we can do is accept that they're here and be mindful of who we choose to associate with when playing. Any attempt at "defense" of the game/community sparks the worst flame wars I've ever seen here on the forums and is best avoided. Keep your head down, shield up, and continue moving forward.

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Originally Posted by SargentToughie

"Let's not group all WoW refugees in the same box, but refer to their MMO as an insane asylum"

Thanks for not contributing to the toxic "us vs them" mentality in the XIV community!

Seriously, the amount of hate/fear going on because somebody plays a different video game in this community is really unhealthy. You don't see this anywhere else.

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actually he did, he instead just blamed an entire community that follows a streamer, that is just as toxic as the OP did in grouping the wow migrants.

Would folks stop making threads like this. It only creates an argument for something that is mostly nonexistent beyond a handful of players.

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Originally Posted by Batbrat

“I’m doing this for 2 days please no more failures” They have every right to look for people that won't keep dying to the same thing 67 times. Not everyone could make it into savage statics, but that doesnt make them bad or even average players. Some of them are still very very good. and they'd like to match up with others who are very good yet displaced too so that they together can get that all bosses clear in the first week just like their peers. They should 100% be able to. They just need to meet the right people. and I'm sorry to say it, but most of you won't be the right people lol.

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C'mon now, don't be so toxic. Don't you know the people who do well are supposed to not care about clearing and instead constantly make new learning parties for others who haven't practiced as much? We have to let the entire community see first phase in its entirety, and only then move on to the next.

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Originally Posted by SargentToughie

"Let's not group all WoW refugees in the same box, but refer to their MMO as an insane asylum"

Thanks for not contributing to the toxic "us vs them" mentality in the XIV community!

Seriously, the amount of hate/fear going on because somebody plays a different video game in this community is really unhealthy. You don't see this anywhere else.

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After the majority of my time on Earth having been spent playing WoW, I feel I have some authority to state the WoW community is by in large, indeed, an asylum. Where else can I go for entertainment to have someone tell me to kill myself and witness casual racist remarks for a daily basis?

How do you people know it was a "Wow player" that caused an unpleasant interaction? Are you asking them?

"Excuse me, but I just saw your PF listing and would like to know if you are a former WoW player."

As people have already pointed out this kind of thing has been around for quite awhile.

It is just a baseless assumption that every obnoxious player must have come from WoW. I am also highly skeptical of the assertion that there has been a huge increase in "toxic WoW attitudes". I certainly haven't noticed this supposed change in players behavior.

Too many characters to quote your post, sorry but:

I understand where you are coming from. I dont really fit into either group you describe, or perhaps more aptly to say I fit into both? I came hoping to find a substitute for what I used to get from WoW, partly because of the hype XIV got in 2021 even before the Asmongold exodus. What I found was something that I had no idea could still exist. A beautiful game with a beautiful story, and much nicer people most everywhere I go. I won't regurgitate the story most have probably already heard from many streamers, youtubers, and just regular players who came here for whatever reason, and found something really special. I mean I go from a game with a full ignore list, to a new game with an empty one. This is the first and only Final Fantasy game I have ever played. I don't have any investment into the franchise at all. Just this game and the wonderful experiences I have had and hope to continue having. Has it been perfect? Of course not. But Ive had 2 minor bad experiences with players in game since June. In WoW, that would be an afternoon or less.

I came expecting to try it for a weekend, which led to trying until the next WoW patch, which led to trying it until the next expansion. Now I cant imagine ever going back to WoW, even if they made all the changes I think they should.

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Originally Posted by Xaruko_Nexume

Too many characters to quote your post, sorry but:

or

SNIP

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If you want to quote someone who's written a lot, I think you mean me given what you wrote, it's common here to either delete all but the salient points you're referring to or just type SNIP in the [quote] area so people know who you're replying to.

Regards,
IQ

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Originally Posted by DBriggs304

Would folks stop making threads like this. It only creates an argument for something that is mostly nonexistent beyond a handful of players.

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That was the intention of the original poster. They basically tossed a match on a dry pile of leaves and walked away.

[QUOTE=Illmaeran;5797984]If you want to quote someone who's written a lot, I think you mean me given what you wrote, it's common here to either delete all but the salient points you're referring to or just type SNIP in the

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area so people know who you're replying to.

Regards,
IQ

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Yeah it was you. If there was a weak point to this game, Id say its definitely these 1997 forums and their website. Again echoing so many others, I struggled just to buy this game due to the website lol. But thanks for letting me know about that feature.

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Originally Posted by Xaruko_Nexume

After the majority of my time on Earth having been spent playing WoW, I feel I have some authority to state the WoW community is by in large, indeed, an asylum. Where else can I go for entertainment to have someone tell me to kill myself and witness casual racist remarks for a daily basis?

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Toxicity can take many forms.

I've been part of the FFXIV community for years, and I've had members of this "great" community call me toxic, elitist, tell me to "go back to" a game that I've never played, all because I partake in Savage content. Toxic casualness is a thing, and any time you marginalize a person because of a game they like, or a content they enjoy, that's still you in the wrong.

There are times where I've felt very isolated from the community at large because they all wear these masks of smiling faces, and then turn towards me and say "you're not welcome here". It's happened in every expansion.

You have to admire the fact that people are so delusional that they don't for one second sit down and wonder why others are unhappy with them.

Maybe it's because you were afk for half a dungeon/trial/raid. Maybe it's because you typed "I'm new" then deliberately ate 7 different AoEs in a row that are easier to dodge than get hit by and tried to warm the floor for as much as possible while refusing to learn, thinking that speaking those magic words shield you from any need to perform. Maybe it's because you signed for a group in PF for a (part of a) boss that is way out of your league.

No, I'm sure it must be that the other person is just toxic for the sake of it. Can't be anything else.

Oh

Look

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WoW vs. FFXIV THREAD

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Originally Posted by Larirawiel

:)


I guess, the most militant anti-WoW-players are ex-WoW-players.


Cheers

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I have a growing theory with these posts.

1) bait. It's usually bait.

2) It's the LFR/Normal prog crowd that made the exodus who were punished the most in SL (and made up the most of the exodus). The ones who screamed the loudest about Mage Tower being too hard, or the "audacity" the devs had to lock the moose mount behind heroic.

Every other Mythic raider I know (self included) had a 14 account since at least HW/Stormblood. You clear your tier and then go see what is happening in Savage. The sweatier the player, the more likely that they were a CM CE master and a double (now triple) Legend.

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Originally Posted by Floortank

The people doing savage aren't even 1/100th of the community.

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The reason WoW players think you can judge FFXIV community by the Savage PUG community is that in WoW there is no content outside of the newest raid and the newest M+ dungeons... Since FFXIV lacks M+, WoW players often think we have only half the content they do... when for FFXIV, people are out there doing all kinds of things to which, as you note, savage is only a tiny minority.

But if someone has spent their whole existence only seeing the color red, and you show up with blue, they will just label it as a new shade of red... It takes time for folks coming in from 'over there' to see that there is more than one color in the universe. ;)


That noted the FFIXV Savage community, especially the PUG Savage community, is the rare area where FFXIV is vastly MORE TOXIC than WoW. WoW raiders are actually pretty nice. It's actually a good way to find nice people in WoW; join or start PUGs for the normal or heroic tier of the current raid - and you're likely to find or be able to start a new guild or raid static as the odds are good half of the people will be very nice and willing to put in time to learn.

WoW's toxicity is most severe in M+ dungeons these days, as well as in capital cities full of people spamming out racist or sexist stuff in trade chat while working to get into M+ groups...
- Join or start M+ groups over there, and you will want to schedule a session with a therapist afterwards...

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Originally Posted by Kandraxx

Going through PF the last couple days, I see lots of “advertising” like:

“4k dps = instakick”
“no clowns please”
“2 fails = kick”
“know what to do there will be no talk or stay out”
“I’m doing this for 2 days please no more failures”

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I've seen these lines in PF groups before the exodus.

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Originally Posted by Floortank

That's exactly what PF looked like during Heavensward so... nothing has changed.

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I was coming here to post this lmao. I remember back when I joined this game during heavensward, the kind of lunatic rages people would get off on if people joined an ARR EX run through the bloody duty finder and didn't come decked out in alexander gear and know 100% what to do having memorized every strategy possible. The hissyfits people would throw when the entire party didn't want to mass quit after one failed attempt was amazing, wanting to waste an hour of our time rather than eat up their penalty for rage quitting. This game's community has always had that subsect of bizarre brainworm players.

"skip soar or disband"

This is nothing new. FF14 community is no different from WoWs

There's little to suggest that there are any inherent differences between "WoW players" and "FFXIV players". If who you are is defined by what games you've previously played, then likely the majority of FFXIV players would have a different name. Toxic endgame raiding has been a part of this game since ARR. I remember standing in Mor Dhona reading daily toxic looking for group adds threatening with kicks and whatnot. That is over half a decade ago now. But I guess that is somehow WoW's fault too.

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Originally Posted by SargentToughie

Toxicity can take many forms.

I've been part of the FFXIV community for years, and I've had members of this "great" community call me toxic, elitist, tell me to "go back to" a game that I've never played, all because I partake in Savage content. Toxic casualness is a thing, and any time you marginalize a person because of a game they like, or a content they enjoy, that's still you in the wrong.

There are times where I've felt very isolated from the community at large because they all wear these masks of smiling faces, and then turn towards me and say "you're not welcome here". It's happened in every expansion.

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In a strictly NOT personal way, I believe this game (and other MMORPG's) would be better off to focus on what it does best. A 3d anime "second life." That is to say, I think it would be better off without savage content. That said, I respect that you and others enjoy it. I just want, and get, something very different from this game. I think it would be a better game without it. Yes I know that will be super unpopular. But I said what I said.

That said, as long as hard mode raiding is going to be part of the game, I accept it and no one should ever treat you poorly on a personal level because of what content you do ( or dont do).

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Originally Posted by Xaruko_Nexume

In a strictly NOT personal way, I believe this game (and other MMORPG's) would be better off to focus on what it does best. A 3d anime "second life." That is to say, I think it would be better off without savage content. That said, I respect that you and others enjoy it. I just want, and get, something very different from this game. I think it would be a better game without it. Yes I know that will be super unpopular. But I said what I said.

That said, as long as hard mode raiding is going to be part of the game, I accept it and no one should ever treat you poorly on a personal level because of what content you do ( or dont do).

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Bold of you to say that the game would be better without Savage. I remember back when the first Ultimate landed, and the content creator engagement for FFXIV content was the most active it had been since the launch of the game. I also remember back when Coil was the only difficulty. Savage exists so that the story can be put in normal mode, allowing casual engagement.

I'd avoid saying absolutes like that. It would be better *for you* maybe, but definitely not for the game as a whole.

EDIT: Also, I don't appreciate the soft implication that I'm not a customer that deserves to be catered to. How is my sub money worth any less than yours?

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Originally Posted by SargentToughie

Bold of you to say that the game would be better without Savage. I remember back when the first Ultimate landed, and the content creator engagement for FFXIV content was the most active it had been since the launch of the game. I also remember back when Coil was the only difficulty. Savage exists so that the story can be put in normal mode, allowing casual engagement.

I'd avoid saying absolutes like that. It would be better *for you* maybe, but definitely not for the game as a whole.

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I would argue savage is little more than an after thought to keep the sweaty ones busy. Yoshi P personally wants a hardcore, difficult engaging game, but has admitted he knows his audience doesnt want that. They know who their audience is.

Queue times were definitely more through the roof when new MSQ story released then when savage released. But honestly, thats an equally poor measure of the games health as much as content creator engagement is. And yes, I would definitely prefer, and believe the game would be better suited for more casual content. Emotes, RP settings, glam, more relic grind style quests, even more story and out of combat things to do.

I think the most generous estimate I was able to find a few weeks ago for the typical savage completion rate for a current tier was around 25%. Honestly, I think that is pretty unlikely itself, or skewed somehow that it would even be nearly that high. Why waste so many resources on something the minority even participates in?

I've noticed that the forums tends to blame WoW for a lot of things that have existed for a while.

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Originally Posted by Xaruko_Nexume

I would argue savage is little more than an after thought to keep the sweaty ones busy. Yoshi P personally wants a hardcore, difficult engaging game, but has admitted he knows his audience doesnt want that. They know who their audience is.

Queue times were definitely more through the roof when new MSQ story released then when savage released. But honestly, thats an equally poor measure of the games health as much as content creator engagement is. And yes, I would definitely prefer, and believe the game would be better suited for more casual content. Emotes, RP settings, glam, more relic grind style quests, even more story and out of combat things to do.

I think the most generous estimate I was able to find a few weeks ago for the typical savage completion rate for a current tier was around 25%. Honestly, I think that is pretty unlikely itself, or skewed somehow that it would even be nearly that high. Why waste so many resources on something the minority even participates in?

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So I'm a "sweaty one" now? I'm trying to have a legitimate conversation, but you keep speaking about me and my entire FFXIV social group with really derisive terms. I'm putting a lot of effort into being polite here. I don't feel that effort is being reciprocated.

The hardest content will obviously have less people that engage with it than casual content. Candy Crush has more players than Dark Souls does, so I guess Dark Souls doesn't deserve to exist?

If Savage/Ultimates goes away, what happens to the crafter treadmill? If there's no need to craft high quality, top end gear, there's no need to spend months gathering top end materials, making HQ crafter gear, spending millions upon millions of gil pentamelding it, and then spending thousands of tomestones from daily roulettes (trickling back into the more casual content) building the higher ilvl crafted gear.

And even on a lower level than Savage/Ultimate, there are EX primals that a *MUCH* larger bulk of the player base engages in.

Again, you can choose not to engage in a piece of content and that's totally fine, but please avoid such broad and dismissive strokes as saying that a game is "better" without it. There's a reason FFXIV is more popular than Second Life.

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Originally Posted by SargentToughie

EDIT: Also, I don't appreciate the soft implication that I'm not a customer that deserves to be catered to. How is my sub money worth any less than yours?

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It's not a matter of anyone "deserving" anything. It's about what I believe, would make the game even more successful, which is focusing time and financial resources to basically anything besides difficult content. What the game does best. If someone wants a game with emphasis on hardcore raiding with a competitive environment, there is a lot better out there for that. You, and others are free and likely obviously disagree with my assessment and that is fine and to be expected.

I'm sorry you seem to take it personally that I believe the game would be better with little to none of the favorite content that you personally enjoy, but I do believe it. The devs know it too. You can see it on the constant complaints of "This game just gets easier and easier!" and "Will we ever get harder dungeons again?" No, you probably won't.

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Originally Posted by SargentToughie

So I'm a "sweaty one" now? I'm trying to have a legitimate conversation, but you keep speaking about me and my entire FFXIV social group with really derisive terms. I'm putting a lot of effort into being polite here. I don't feel that effort is being reciprocated.

The hardest content will obviously have less people that engage with it than casual content. Candy Crush has more players than Dark Souls does, so I guess Dark Souls doesn't deserve to exist?

If Savage/Ultimates goes away, what happens to the crafter treadmill? If there's no need to craft high quality, top end gear, there's no need to spend months gathering top end materials, making HQ crafter gear, spending millions upon millions of gil pentamelding it, and then spending thousands of tomestones from daily roulettes (trickling back into the more casual content) building the higher ilvl crafted gear.

And even on a lower level than Savage/Ultimate, there are EX primals that a *MUCH* larger bulk of the player base engages in.

Again, you can choose not to engage in a piece of content and that's totally fine, but please avoid such broad and dismissive strokes as saying that a game is "better" without it. There's a reason FFXIV is more popular than Second Life.

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Well, yes. I consider savage raiding sweaty, but not the sweatiest of content out there of course.

Candy Crush and Dark Souls are two separate games. They bother cater to a very different and specific market from one another, and they both do it well. I am not arguing difficult games can't or should not exist. I am only arguing that this game, would likely see more success and would be improved, by not catering and indeed not even creating content on the difficulty level of savage or beyond.

Regarding the "crafting treadmill", I was under the impression crafting was an alternative to end game PvE rewards, not to prepare for them necessarily. Is it not? I have only been playing 7 months and the only crafting I have done is a little bit of fishing, so please forgive my ignorance on that topic. That said, I personally know plenty of people who love crafting solely for the glamour and just craft the highest item level they can, and call it a day, never setting foot in savage, and they are quite satisfied with that.

As far as the reason this game is more popular than second life, there are a million reasons I can think of, and raiding isn't among them.

Im sorry you seem to keep taking things personally. It isn't personal, and doesn't really even have anything to do with you specifically, but since you seem to keep implying that you believe it is, and that I am somehow being impolite, I think this will be my last comment on the matter.

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Originally Posted by Xaruko_Nexume

It's not a matter of anyone "deserving" anything. It's about what I believe, would make the game even more successful, which is focusing time and financial resources to basically anything besides difficult content. What the game does best. If someone wants a game with emphasis on hardcore raiding with a competitive environment, there is a lot better out there for that. You, and others are free and likely obviously disagree with my assessment and that is fine and to be expected.

I'm sorry you seem to take it personally that I believe the game would be better with little to none of the favorite content that you personally enjoy, but I do believe it. The devs know it too. You can see it on the constant complaints of "This game just gets easier and easier!" and "Will we ever get harder dungeons again?" No, you probably won't.

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I can look at this OF and find at least half a dozen posts within 5 minutes complaining about how hard the final trial is, lmao

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Originally Posted by SargentToughie

I can look at this OF and find at least half a dozen posts within 5 minutes complaining about how hard the final trial is, lmao

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sigh I know I said I was done...but do you think that strengthens your argument? That there is complaining...about what? Hard content...So lets add more of the very thing people complained about. That worked well for another game.

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Originally Posted by Xaruko_Nexume

sigh I know I said I was done...but do you think that strengthens your argument? That there is complaining...about what? Hard content...So lets add more of the very thing people complained about. That worked well for another game.

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So wait. When people are complaining about a lack of hard content, that just means that a game's current trend is going against it, which is good according to you. But when people are complaining that a trial is too hard, that's criticism that the company should act upon? Pick a side, already! Is complaining good, or is it bad?

Either way, you were right that this conversation is a waste of time for the both of us. Have a nice life, where ever it takes you!

If you look at the FFXIV kick requirements, you can report a group for kicking you the reasons you listed.

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Originally Posted by Xaruko_Nexume

sigh I know I said I was done...but do you think that strengthens your argument? That there is complaining...about what? Hard content...So lets add more of the very thing people complained about. That worked well for another game.

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You've had some pretty crummy takes but this one takes the cake lmao.

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Originally Posted by Titivillus

If you look at the FFXIV kick requirements, you can report a group for kicking you the reasons you listed.

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Or you could also just not join a group if you have no idea what you're doing, since that would be griefing and annoying
Not sure what self righteous hill "I deserve to be in all parties regardless of my skill level or knowledge" is or why all the sudden people are jumping on it