Hidde Glamours Locally (& other graphically immersive options)

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Originally Posted by Fabbro

Which is the website that currently has such and most FFXIV mods available for download please? Nexus mods seems to have too little in terms of any kind of FFXIV content.

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Google is your friend.

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Originally Posted by Andy_T93

I fully support this as long as they also add a filter which allows me to glamour over all the ugly ass boring plate mail and robes with jackets and sneakers because it really ruins by time in the game seeing such basic people running around in bog standard armour and reminds me that im sharing a game world with people who don't even have the fashion IQ to throw an outfit together, how's that for a deal?

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Yet its likely most people that play this game don't know how to dress themselves up IRL? the amount of men that don't even own suits is pitiful and the amount of women that refuse to dress for the attire for black tie is just as bad.

My glamour is my personal expression in the game... that's how I choose to represent myself ingame and I don't want Square Enix providing others with the choice to see me as they want.

It's like I ask for something like this: "I don't agree with your post, so this forum should give everyone an option to present to your post as if you're saying the exact opposite of what you said"

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Originally Posted by Alkazar

My glamour is my personal expression in the game... that's how I choose to represent myself ingame and I don't want Square Enix providing others with the choice to see me as they want.

It's like I ask for something like this: "I don't agree with your post, so this forum should give everyone an option to present to your post as if you're saying the exact opposite of what you said"

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To be fair, there is already a "toggle" like that for the forums. It is called adding people to one's ignore list. You can still see they are there, but the contents of their posts are hidden.

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Originally Posted by raelgun

Yet its likely most people that play this game don't know how to dress themselves up IRL? the amount of men that don't even own suits is pitiful and the amount of women that refuse to dress for the attire for black tie is just as bad.

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I was just mentioning to my friend Reginald von Bismarck about how few people wear powdered wigs or bowlers anymore. Quelle horreur.

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Originally Posted by Vahlnir

To be fair, there is already a "toggle" like that for the forums. It is called adding people to one's ignore list. You can still see they are there, but the contents of their posts are hidden.

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Nah I'm talking about showing the person saying something they didn't want to say.

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Originally Posted by Saraide

I think we should stop pretending this has anything to do with immersion. All it is is disliking someone's glam.

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Totally this. Especially considering glamour is canon ingame.

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Originally Posted by Alkazar

My glamour is my personal expression in the game... that's how I choose to represent myself ingame and I don't want Square Enix providing others with the choice to see me as they want.

It's like I ask for something like this: "I don't agree with your post, so this forum should give everyone an option to present to your post as if you're saying the exact opposite of what you said"

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Nah it is more like I do not like what they are wearing so let me imagine them in something else. End of the day you will most likely never know someone is using the toggle.

Why are people even against this if it’s local? You’ll never know who has it toggled on so it doesn’t affect you. People don’t even notice what you wear 90% of the time unless it stands out or is a good glam.

I won’t use it but I’ll support it if others do. If they want to see mismatched gear or basic robes on everyone then let them.

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Originally Posted by Nyxs

Why are people even against this if it’s local? You’ll never know who has it toggled on so it doesn’t affect you. People don’t even notice what you wear 90% of the time unless it stands out or is a good glam.

I won’t use it but I’ll support it if others do. If they want to see mismatched gear or basic robes on everyone then let them.

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I can't say I'm actually against it, but I just don't think it is necessary. People could be reasonable and mature and simply, I don't know, not worry about something so trivial. That goes both ways I'm sure, but I do feel that this "issue" isn't really an issue at all. All this thread and others like it have accomplished is making something out of what should be nothing.

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Originally Posted by Vahlnir

I can't say I'm actually against it, but I just don't think it is necessary. People could be reasonable and mature and simply, I don't know, not worry about something so trivial. That goes both ways I'm sure, but I do feel that this "issue" isn't really an issue at all. All this thread and others like it have accomplished is making something out of what should be nothing.

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It's no more an issue than any other request out there. It always becomes this argument about how much we need it or how badly it impacts immersion so it's important.

It's really not. It's another feature that would be useful to some. Everyone still plays the game and deals with it, like every other thing that could be helped but hasn't been. I'd like it. Some would not.

See y'all in endwalker though.

Posted this on the other identical thread.

Shock I know, but you can mod the files to make this game as immersive or crazy or whatever you want.

This is a waste of dev resources. You want to block glams, do the legwork and learn how.

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Originally Posted by kaynide

Posted this on the other identical thread.

Shock I know, but you can mod the files to make this game as immersive or crazy or whatever you want.

This is a waste of dev resources. You want to block glams, do the legwork and learn how.

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Except some people do not want to breach TOS

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Originally Posted by Zsolen

Except some people do not want to breach TOS

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Much like the damage meters, that is a decision people will have to make.

What people are essentially saying here is “Devs, you made a thing that I don’t like. So work more to make me options so I can hide the thing you put blood/sweat/tears into because it doesn’t match my sensibilities. Oh and make it so I can choose which ones I want to see because hey everyone has different taste. Thx<3!”

It’s a waste of time and I would argue rude. If the devs didn’t want you to see a cat boy in a Speedo with a frog head, they wouldn’t have made it in the first place.

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Originally Posted by kaynide

It’s a waste of time and I would argue rude. If the devs didn’t want you to see a cat boy in a Speedo with a frog head, they wouldn’t have made it in the first place.

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.. or they listened to their player base and put things in that people asked for. Like many things in this game.

Most relevant example, dude bunny suit.

Yeah go for it. I am all for people being able to turn glams off. I doesn't affect me. If its just client side why not? The only people who would care about something like this are people who are monumentally insecure or just wanting to ruin other peoples enjoyment.

As I said in the last thread about this topic. If my glam ruins your immersion sorry not sorry. :p

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Originally Posted by Mezzoforte

Yeah go for it. I am all for people being able to turn glams off. I doesn't affect me. If its just client side why not? The only people who would care about something like this are people who are monumentally insecure or just wanting to ruin other peoples enjoyment.

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Yeah this is also my stance.

You turn off my glam. I put the actual glam on >:D and watch your immersion continue to melt away..

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Originally Posted by NanaWiloh

You turn off my glam. I put the actual glam on >:D and watch your immersion continue to melt away..

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You're admitting you love to antagonize people on purpose and will theoretically attempt to circumvent an ingame feature to get at people trying to enjoy themselves purely out of spite.



Is this really what you'd like to advertise here?

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Originally Posted by Krotoan

You're admitting you love to antagonize people on purpose and will theoretically attempt to circumvent an ingame feature to get at people trying to enjoy themselves purely out of spite.



Is this really what you'd like to advertise here?

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Its not circumventing if the game allows it. Which so happens it already does glam pieces are gear like all other gear they can be worn. I am poking fun at the loop hole in the idea, one that is not easily fixed. I don't care if they add the option but don't think you will escape some player wearing a bunny in a dungeon run...

They wouldn't be able to circumvent a client-side toggle anyway. There would be a default set of gear data that the game would load and not load any other models until it was turned off, the same way it works in FFXI.

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Originally Posted by NanaWiloh

Its not circumventing if the game allows it. Which so happens it already does glam pieces are gear like all other gear they can be worn.

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The INTENT of the option is to not see something in particular. In order to MAKE them see it you'd need to either: Swap to inappropriate (as in stats wise) gear in a dungeon, or just always be in exceedingly underleveled gear all the time Specifically for the purpose of circumventing people who are using the option since you'd have no idea who'd have it enabled.. Intention matters as can be noted with people circumventing word filters and blacklists. Just because you can do something within game mechanics, doesn't mean you aren't harassing people or aren't breaking rules.

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Originally Posted by NanaWiloh

I am poking fun at the loop hole in the idea, one that is not easily fixed.

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It's exceedingly easy to fix. Have the option just swap others glamours and appearance for predetermined "sets" corresponding to their job instead. Poof. No circumvention possible. This has been exhaustively discussed.



I don't mind people with actual objections to options even if I think their objections are silly, that encourages discussion or at least education. It's people who hear something someone else wants and instantly reply with some sort of smarmy anti-post for it like even if the option was realized they'd try their hardest to still do the thing it's meant to prevent that makes people wonder about the FFXIV forum community.

It's one thing to object or counter propose, it's quite another to be antagonistic.


So own it.

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Originally Posted by NanaWiloh

As I said in the last thread about this topic. If my glam ruins your immersion sorry not sorry. :p

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Quite obvious.

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Originally Posted by SilverObi

They wouldn't be able to circumvent a client-side toggle anyway. There would be a default set of gear data that the game would load and not load any other models until it was turned off, the same way it works in FFXI.

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Basically everyone looks the same except for the person with the Glams off who likes a out of place circus freak. lol

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Originally Posted by NanaWiloh

Basically everyone looks the same except for the person with the Glams off who likes a out of place circus freak. lol

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Only if they decided to wear mismatched clothing. The glamour toggle (at least the way I'd see it implemented) would make the game load only a predetermined outfit based on class for everyone around you, while you're free to wear what you want. Which is again how it works in FFXI and I imagine would be the easiest way to put in such a system if they ever decided to.

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Originally Posted by SilverObi

Only if they decided to wear mismatched clothing. The glamour toggle (at least the way I'd see it implemented) would make the game load only a predetermined outfit based on class for everyone around you, while you're free to wear what you want. Which is again how it works in FFXI and I imagine would be the easiest way to put in such a system if they ever decided to.

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Mismatched or not they will still be a stand out from everyone else. But hey if somebodies idea of immersion is everyone looking boring and uninteresting except themselves I am not going to stop them.

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Originally Posted by NanaWiloh

Mismatched or not they will still be a stand out from everyone else. But hey if somebodies idea of immersion is everyone looking boring and uninteresting except themselves I am not going to stop them.

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I'm sure for some folks they wouldn't mind being the only one in their perception of the game world wearing a cool outfit while everyone is wearing bog standard adventuring outfits. I'm not sure how it's insulting that they get what they want. But yeah you shouldn't care what other people want to do with their perception of a video game environment especially when it doesn't affect you, that's a good stance to have.

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Originally Posted by NanaWiloh

Mismatched or not they will still be a stand out from everyone else. But hey if somebodies idea of immersion is everyone looking boring and uninteresting except themselves I am not going to stop them.

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Except:

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Originally Posted by NanaWiloh

You turn off my glam. I put the actual glam on >:D and watch your immersion continue to melt away..

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So you specifically said you would try.


You're going to act like you didn't say that one page back?

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Originally Posted by Krotoan

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So you specifically said you would try.


You're going to act like you didn't say that one page back?

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Nope I know what I said. I wear several of my actual glam's pieces such as the Thav set. So no trying needed and only a fool would admit to breaking the games rules on the forum. Since the Glam off option does not exist I have broken no rules :P

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Originally Posted by NanaWiloh

Nope I know what I said.

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Apparently not. But please continue to act like you didn't just completely flipflop on what you said you'd do within 7 posts.

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Originally Posted by NanaWiloh

You turn off my glam. I put the actual glam on >:D and watch your immersion continue to melt away..

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You would not know so why care? At that point your intent is to troll which just proves the point that do glam with the intent to bother others.

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Originally Posted by Awha

You would not know so why care? At that point your intent is to troll which just proves the point that do glam with the intent to bother others.

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They wont see it so they wont be bothered. I troll by leaving people puzzled not offending them with clothing, leaving people dumbfounded is far more fun has its harder to do :D

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Originally Posted by Krotoan

Apparently not. But please continue to act like you didn't just completely flipflop on what you said you'd do within 7 posts.

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Said You turn off my glam I put one on and ruin your immersion. Being that I already and have been wearing just the glams themselves since long before this idea came up..its a mute point. Would be local so no circumventing not like it would be needed given how badly coded this game is and along side a loading issue with a certain function. Ya I don't 100% trust the Devs to get a simple data load correct on the first try..

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Originally Posted by NanaWiloh

They wont see it so they wont be bothered. I troll by leaving people puzzled not offending them with clothing, leaving people dumbfounded is far more fun has its harder to do :D

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Guess it depends on the glam items but unless they are at level peices then they would know or suspect something is off by the HP. That is what I meant by trolling since unless your glam is at level your performance would tank just to prove a point.

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Originally Posted by Krotoan

.. or they listened to their player base and put things in that people asked for. Like many things in this game.

Most relevant example, dude bunny suit.

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How many man hours to design a system that will need to be added to regularly to allow players to toggle individual items they find distasteful?

People complain about losing a dungeon when the devs do other content. I’m all for that if the content they produce is wide reaching and useful. For me, this is the most niche issue I can think of, and would be a huge waste of resources.

I mean if they end up doing it, it wouldn’t hurt my feelings or anything, but this would be the fist thing I throw a meme at when people complain about “why no dungeon this patch ahmagerd!”

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Originally Posted by Awha

Guess it depends on the glam items but unless they are at level peices then they would know or suspect something is off by the HP. That is what I meant by trolling since unless your glam is at level your performance would tank just to prove a point.

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As a healer I detest that type of trolling

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Originally Posted by NanaWiloh

As a healer I detest that type of trolling

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I get that but that would be the end result of simply wearing the glam. If that is not what ye meant then fair.

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Originally Posted by Awha

I get that but that would be the end result of simply wearing the glam. If that is not what ye meant then fair.

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No its not what I meant. I do not believe in hindering a run.

My opinion: No.

There's no reason why anyone needs to be able to turn off other players' glamour. it's a pointless and dumb idea that brings nothing to the table for anyone.

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Originally Posted by Katie_Kitty

My opinion: No.

There's no reason why anyone needs to be able to turn off other players' glamour. it's a pointless and dumb idea that brings nothing to the table for anyone.

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I mean it would add something to those that want it. So saying it brings nothing for anyone is kinda silly.