This game has serious free-rider problems and it's getting worse. A suggestion.

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Originally Posted by TaleraRistain

Well I mean, can you blame them? They don't want to be there in the first place. The devs decided to ignore the complaints against Eureka and tie the relic to Bozja. They just first did a ( rather underhanded all said) step that didn't require Bozja at all, then switcherroo'd everyone. I have friends who hate and resent every second they have to engage with Bozja, but they do it for the relic. They are not going to spend a second longer in that place than they need to for relic progression. SE created this monster by ignoring feedback. If they want to help, then they should have relic quests reward these items that can be used in the instances and have them auto-trigger when going in, or something along those lines. Could be special versions that are key items, just to get through things. For instances that have to be run multiple times, make it a repeatable quest.

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Real talk I know people who don't use essences because they want everyone else to be miserable for doing the content because they have to do it for their relic. They essentially just afk.

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Originally Posted by DPZ2

And don't forget, there are more of them than there is of you ...

So, choose. Do you want to play this game with the current structure, or go find another game because this one died because you disparaged one too many of what you consider as 'leeches'?

Don't enjoy it? Find a game that you do enjoy ... I hear first person shooters are popular.

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No actually, leeches are not more of the people who play this game. It is basic logic. If you had too many parasites the host would die way too quickly. FFXIV is still going strong so obviously there aren't a lot of parasites but this doesn't mean that they don't exist. Queue for raids and you will meet at least one person, most often than not a dps, who is praying on the efforts of everyone else.

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Originally Posted by Nethereal

Real talk I know people who don't use essences because they want everyone else to be miserable for doing the content because they have to do it for their relic. They essentially just afk.

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I don't agree with their methods but I can certainly understand that perspective. I think it's a shame that SE has designed something where people hate the idea of logging in because they know it's going to be more content they're miserable in for a shiny they want.

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Originally Posted by SturmChurro

SE probably thought that players would actually go out of their way to gather essences, lost actions, and the like (Valor) to not be a hindrance to their party. Unfortunately, many players would rather waste their own and other's time instead of doing so. Even if essences or lost actions were permanent (no usage limits) I suspect many would STILL not use them, and even if they were automatically applied, I bet people would go out of their way not to unlock them if they didn't have to, to complete the content.

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Speaking as someone finally in the last legs of a relic quest (Yes I'm casual) Bozja's whole essence thing is...uh. Bad? It's quite bad.

I'm one of those DPS people who never has a DPS essence. I'd use one if I had one. I rarely even have good DPS Lost Actions. I work most of the day so I don't have a ton of time to spend grinding mobs to maybe get fragments that will maybe give me an essence I can actually use. I do try where I can, sometimes dumping clusters (I have given up hope for saving for the mount) or gil (I have given up hope for having gil) and I am currently at 0 for dps essences. When I do get them they're only good for one run of something or other (Pures can ONLY be used in DR).

If there were a way to reliably grind for them while also making relic progress I'd do it.

So far the best combo I've had going with whatever I end up getting is Beast and defensives. Doesn't make me an impressive party member but it gives healers with profane more openings to go ham.

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Originally Posted by Awha

This is true.

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Yeah but Awha, imagine you were put in a setting where someone else could do something similar to you. Would you like it? I won't preach about karma, the universe, and stuff but... You are just wrecking yourself if you kick just about anyone based entirely on mood swings. Getting banned in a game is not the worst thing that can happen to someone.

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Originally Posted by TaleraRistain

I don't agree with their methods but I can certainly understand that perspective. I think it's a shame that SE has designed something where people hate the idea of logging in because they know it's going to be more content they're miserable in for a shiny they want.

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I don't agree with this view to be honest, let me explain why.

First of all, Bojza is a condensed version of the actual game. You have a quick leveling method (ranks), Fates, mini-trials in the form of CE and instanced group content (castrum, dr, dalriada). If you hate this, then you fundamentally hate the biggest part of the game and I have to ask why the hell you're still playing it. Then you have lost actions and essences that basically add a new layer of roleplaying and customization, which is something many players have been asking for years.

Second, the relic steps tied to bozja are actually very quick and way, WAY less tedious then what we had in the past. You only need like 3 castrums and a few dalriada and/or delubrum and you're even given options to progress the majority of your relic steps the "good old way" (farming fates in old areas and older dungeons and raids).

Third, even if you don't particularly enjoy the game itself and only play for the glamour (I know this is a thing) I have to ask: what makes you so entitled that you think it's right to join an instance and expect others to do the work for you? This is just terrible behavior and has nothing to do with game systems. You're failing has a human being and it's generally not tolerated in society.

I really don't think the "they're forced to do something they don't like for their relic so it can't be helped" argument holds up. They do it because they can get away with it because there's no personal accountability or incentive to actually do well. That's why I say there's a free-rider problem.

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Originally Posted by Ayuhra

If there were a way to reliably grind for them while also making relic progress I'd do it.

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There is. Several ways, actually.

Castrum gives dozens of fragments, for starters, and most of them are useful essences or actions. Then there are several methods to farm good or even great fragments quickly. And if you really can't spend even a few minutes grinding fragments with a friend or two, you can always buy them, they're very cheap.

Consider this: 10 minutes of good cluster farming yields several dozens clusters, that can be used to get essences and actions for delubrum that will last you for several runs. 10 minutes.

When they make content for the normal crowd this is going to happen. Personally I think they should have just made essences mandatory in normal with HP and enrage mechanics, just like in DR Savage. Like the problem is the instance timer is so high, and no shred of hitting enrages. They got to put these things back to enforce better contribution even if it's semi-lax, just having the threat of having to start over is enough to push a little more. But thankfully we have savage where this does happen.

DR Savage where if you die, a healer raise does not work and Lost Arise is just a 10% chance of raising with a Pure Essence. Walls like this along with having a group to clear is already a good wall to keep out the free-loaders.

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Originally Posted by Wavaryen

The standard set by developers is that as long as the content gets done. It is ok to leech. So this crying about people leeching is just silly.

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Clearly what I expected from Balmung, you are part of the problem.

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Originally Posted by Lastelli

I don't agree with this view to be honest, let me explain why.

First of all, Bojza is a condensed version of the actual game. You have a quick leveling method (ranks), Fates, mini-trials in the form of CE and instanced group content (castrum, dr, dalriada). If you hate this, then you fundamentally hate the biggest part of the game and I have to ask why the hell you're still playing it. Then you have lost actions and essences that basically add a new layer of roleplaying and customization, which is something many players have been asking for years.

Second, the relic steps tied to bozja are actually very quick and way, WAY less tedious then what we had in the past. You only need like 3 castrums and a few dalriada and/or delubrum and you're even given options to progress the majority of your relic steps the "good old way" (farming fates in old areas and older dungeons and raids).

Third, even if you don't particularly enjoy the game itself and only play for the glamour (I know this is a thing) I have to ask: what makes you so entitled that you think it's right to join an instance and expect others to do the work for you? This is just terrible behavior and has nothing to do with game systems. You're failing has a human being and it's generally not tolerated in society.

I really don't think the "they're forced to do something they don't like for their relic so it can't be helped" argument holds up. They do it because they can get away with it because there's no personal accountability or incentive to actually do well. That's why I say there's a free-rider problem.

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Bozja is a very interesting idea on paper that never quite comes together well for me.

If there were ways to target desired essences a little better that would be better. As is it asks players to grind so they can have the opportunity to grind more but in content that actually progresses the relic.

....There is a Yo Dawg joke in there somewhere, I just know it.

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Originally Posted by SturmChurro

SE probably thought that players would actually go out of their way to gather essences, lost actions, and the like (Valor) to not be a hindrance to their party. Unfortunately, many players would rather waste their own and other's time instead of doing so. Even if essences or lost actions were permanent (no usage limits) I suspect many would STILL not use them, and even if they were automatically applied, I bet people would go out of their way not to unlock them if they didn't have to, to complete the content.

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That is exactly why I suggested to at least make a few Save the Queen relic steps similar to the logos action requirement from Pyros and Hydatos.

Back in Pyros and Hydatos, the relic requirement for those logos actions did make quite a bit of players aware of using those duty actions to supplement their enjoyment of the two Eureka areas, especially when doing Baldesion Arsenal. Some would obviously waste those opportunities of logos actions and take them for granted, but they are the exceptions, not the rules.

This time, without those requirements in the Save the Queen areas, there are many players going into those areas who are unaware of the lost actions/essences, and therefore may be lacking in them. As you said there are obviously going to people who ignore them (the ones the topic creator was trying to bring up). But if the devs did make a reasonable amount of actions in the cache required, at least players who do care will be aware that those tools exist to help them in their Save the Queen/relic journeys.

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Originally Posted by Ayuhra

Bozja is a very interesting idea on paper that never quite comes together well for me.

If there were ways to target desired essences a little better that would be better. As is it asks players to grind so they can have the opportunity to grind more but in content that actually progresses the relic.

....There is a Yo Dawg joke in there somewhere, I just know it.

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Um...you practically get a DR essence starter pack now for clearing Castrum, also 5 crystals and not having to do some alliance raids.

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Originally Posted by Ayuhra

Bozja is a very interesting idea on paper that never quite comes together well for me.

If there were ways to target desired essences a little better that would be better. As is it asks players to grind so they can have the opportunity to grind more but in content that actually progresses the relic.

....There is a Yo Dawg joke in there somewhere, I just know it.

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But there are ways to target essences and actions, that's the thing. I do agree, however, that the game should do a better job at giving information on how to get them. Because once you do know, you realize how easy they are to get. Maybe add the information on how to acquire the required fragments next to the essences and actions. Right now, you either ask someone who knows or you look it up on google.

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Originally Posted by Lastelli

There is. Several ways, actually.

Castrum gives dozens of fragments, for starters, and most of them are useful essences or actions. Then there are several methods to farm good or even great fragments quickly. And if you really can't spend even a few minutes grinding fragments with a friend or two, you can always buy them, they're very cheap.

Consider this: 10 minutes of good cluster farming yields several dozens clusters, that can be used to get essences and actions for delubrum that will last you for several runs. 10 minutes.

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Skirmisher has a 1 in 7 chance to drop from Awakening.

I'm not saying you are wrong that there are ways to get them, but the RNG for DPS just seems greater than it is for healer or tanks (tanking essences are pretty easy to get from some very low level mobs even).

Broadly speaking essences seem designed to help each part of the trinity access the power of the other two parts

Tanks get access to healing and damage
Healers get access to damage and defense
DPS gets access to healing and defense

This allows for some very interesting group comps...in theory. For the usual pugs that form you quickly learn that many mechanics are one shot so the defense and healing doesn't mean as much so you end up with:

DPS that can do a bit of healing and can resurrect
DPS that can tank
DPS that does less dps than the other two

Obviously there are some very good ways to combine essences and LA for dps but most groups just want something like skirmisher and that's an annoying one to try to get. I've known people who get so fed up over being called lazy for not having a dps essence that they spend 50k on fragments and end up with like 2 that are gone in two runs. It gets pretty wild.

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Originally Posted by technole

Um...you practically get a DR essence starter pack now for clearing Castrum, also 5 crystals and not having to do some alliance raids.

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People deplete those VERY quickly doing the DR runs for the relic. Granted they last longer now that you don't have to it 15 individual times.

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Originally Posted by TaleraRistain

I don't agree with their methods but I can certainly understand that perspective. I think it's a shame that SE has designed something where people hate the idea of logging in because they know it's going to be more content they're miserable in for a shiny they want.

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That's funny that say it, because save the queen provides some nice alternatives OUTSIDE of bozja. Especially those where you would use DR for. But no, people will queue in the content they hate because otherwise it will require a minimum usage of PF and actual commitment to the gameplay instead of afk cure1 spam

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Originally Posted by Ayuhra

Skirmisher has a 1 in 7 chance to drop from Awakening.

I'm not saying you are wrong that there are ways to get them, but the RNG for DPS just seems greater than it is for healer or tanks (tanking essences are pretty easy to get from some very low level mobs even).

Broadly speaking essences seem designed to help each part of the trinity access the power of the other two parts

Tanks get access to healing and damage
Healers get access to damage and defense
DPS gets access to healing and defense

This allows for some very interesting group comps...in theory. For the usual pugs that form you quickly learn that many mechanics are one shot so the defense and healing doesn't mean as much so you end up with:

DPS that can do a bit of healing and can resurrect
DPS that can tank
DPS that does less dps than the other two

Obviously there are some very good ways to combine essences and LA for dps but most groups just want something like skirmisher and that's an annoying one to try to get. I've known people who get so fed up over being called lazy for not having a dps essence that they spend 50k on fragments and end up with like 2 that are gone in two runs. It gets pretty wild.



People deplete those VERY quickly doing the DR runs for the relic. Granted they last longer now that you don't have to it 15 individual times.

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Skirmisher is not a good one actually, if you think it is sorry to say but you fundamentally lack any form of understanding about the content, no offense. You're much better off with beast + lost assassination. Dozens of those can be easily acquired or bought for a few thousands gil. For delubrum, you just want deep essences. Again, those are very easily acquired by the dozens, as I already told you.

And no, essences are not designed to help each part of the trinity access the power of the other two parts. I mean, they also allow that, but that's obviously something you might want to do only if you're lacking the specialized party members. In group content, you should just take whatever increases your damage because there's no reason to do otherwise.

Hi, IMHO it is not only a "free-rider-mentality". Seriously, when you fight the Castrum Lacus Litore bosses, you will never ever know what is going on without reading a tutorial. If you a sprout or a returner, like me, you have no chance to learn the encounters ingame. You need external information to do it properly. Or you will die again in the next 10 seconds after the last resurrection. That's also the state of the game.


Cheers

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Originally Posted by technole

When they make content for the normal crowd this is going to happen. Personally I think they should have just made essences mandatory in normal with HP and enrage mechanics, just like in DR Savage. Like the problem is the instance timer is so high, and no shred of hitting enrages. They got to put these things back to enforce better contribution even if it's semi-lax, just having the threat of having to start over is enough to push a little more. But thankfully we have savage where this does happen.

DR Savage where if you die, a healer raise does not work and Lost Arise is just a 10% chance of raising with a Pure Essence. Walls like this along with having a group to clear is already a good wall to keep out the free-loaders.



Clearly what I expected from Balmung, you are part of the problem.

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Has nothing to do with what the developers said, or support. or even rule enforce. Nah, me being mature enough to accept it, and see no reason to complain is part of the problem.


Also the fact you would call out the server I play on makes it all the much sweeter that Leeches bother you. They are having fun, and happily running over your fun to do it. Must be rough on you. Be strong!


Not that I mind you all upset about it, but at this point you all just need to accept how the game is design and nothing you say will change that. The developers are clear.

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Originally Posted by TaleraRistain

Well I mean, can you blame them? They don't want to be there in the first place. The devs decided to ignore the complaints against Eureka and tie the relic to Bozja. They just first did a ( rather underhanded all said) step that didn't require Bozja at all, then switcherroo'd everyone. I have friends who hate and resent every second they have to engage with Bozja, but they do it for the relic. They are not going to spend a second longer in that place than they need to for relic progression. SE created this monster by ignoring feedback. If they want to help, then they should have relic quests reward these items that can be used in the instances and have them auto-trigger when going in, or something along those lines. Could be special versions that are key items, just to get through things. For instances that have to be run multiple times, make it a repeatable quest.

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Maybe they should just start handing out relic weapons, because some players may resent SE for "making" them do Bozja for it? I think maybe if they hate the content so much they just shouldn't do it. There are adequate weapon alternatives available by other means.

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Originally Posted by Ayuhra

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It does not take very long to actually get essences. All it requires is a player going slightly out of their way, and spend a few minutes to gather them and/or clusters. I'm not even talking about paying for them via marketboard. In turn time will be saved in the long run, well if people would actually collectively do it.

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Originally Posted by RokkuEkkusu

That is exactly why I suggested to at least make a few Save the Queen relic steps similar to the logos action requirement from Pyros and Hydatos.

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SE probably wanted to encourage players to participate in other Bozja areas by implementing it like this. However, yes, as they aren't required, and the content can be completed (slowly) regardless, many players would seemingly rather not go out of their way even if it would save them and others time in the long run. SE even encourages the usage of essences, but to no avail.

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Originally Posted by SturmChurro

Maybe they should just start handing out relic weapons, because some players may resent SE for "making" them do Bozja for it? I think maybe if they hate the content so much they just shouldn't do it. There are adequate weapon alternatives available by other means.

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^This^. I have friends who complain about the relic grind, but have been plugging away almost nonstop because they want the BiS weapon yet for some reason settle for Augmented Cryptlurker for the rest of their gear.

Reward good, don't punish bad! That's atleast how I see it, without even reading all posts in this thread ^^

It's a shame some people won't care but imagine how amazing people could be if they'd get something like the BK mentor crown :D

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Originally Posted by Wolwosh

I did a Titania normal the other day and we had someone with someone in 50/60 gear.
He couldn't survive a normal AOE.
I said something, got a weird response.
We wiped and I tried to vote kick, but instead I got attacked like I was in the wrong...
Trash will defend trash I guess, but its telling that people hold a hand above people like that, and the guy had several 80's ^^"

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I once had two deadweights appear in Titania. I saw they were with 60 level gear on the body side. Said nothing at the start, we started playing, the first aoe comes, both dead. I see my co-healer wasting his time rezzing both of them. I continue with my malefic spam and AoE healing. The DPS check comes and obviously, we fail it because the party is just not good enough to carry two deadweights.

All I said after the reset was: "We can't carry two deadweights." and so they left before getting kicked. But really, no one said anything to me. If they did, wow, they would have been very very stupid.

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Originally Posted by Wolwosh

Ofc you would suspect something more, thats exactly what I mean with that statement ^^
He kept dying to everything, because he didn't have the hp/defence to survive it..
I said something about it, politely even, but in the end he got his carry :D

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That's odd. We are in the same world. From what I have experienced, once the fact that X party member is a deadweight/leech/way too bad has been established, kicks go through. You can always ask some people who argue with reality how does someone who is Perma dead because of bad gear is not a deadweight and have them give their definition of a player being deadweight. They can't really win that argument. Make your party members associate the player that needs to be kicked with something bad and reason yourself appropriately and things will work out.

It is really difficult to get rid of leeches because you can't just say that they have dealt 1% of the boss HP. I avoid places like 24 man raids where parasites breed freely. In a dungeon, I can hold people accountable for doing nothing, though it is a rare sight. In 8 man raids, if I want to take my time I just stop playing entirely and spam different emotes on them. The last person I did that on started playing actually.

No thanks, your minimum threshold for people getting their items from content sounds like nonsense and totally disregards those with disabilities. You've thought clearly of nothing but your own benefit with this suggestion and it shows.

Further rewarding the top 1% is not healthy for the game either. We have enough exclusive things without giving every single piece of combat based content yet more 1% focused rewards. If someone is straight up afk refusing a rez, report that player and carry on your day. But I for one am not about to punish those players who do try their best but cannot keep up with content due to physical disability etc

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Originally Posted by Ayuhra

Speaking as someone finally in the last legs of a relic quest (Yes I'm casual) Bozja's whole essence thing is...uh. Bad? It's quite bad.

I'm one of those DPS people who never has a DPS essence. I'd use one if I had one. I rarely even have good DPS Lost Actions. I work most of the day so I don't have a ton of time to spend grinding mobs to maybe get fragments that will maybe give me an essence I can actually use. I do try where I can, sometimes dumping clusters (I have given up hope for saving for the mount) or gil (I have given up hope for having gil) and I am currently at 0 for dps essences. When I do get them they're only good for one run of something or other (Pures can ONLY be used in DR).

If there were a way to reliably grind for them while also making relic progress I'd do it.

So far the best combo I've had going with whatever I end up getting is Beast and defensives. Doesn't make me an impressive party member but it gives healers with profane more openings to go ham.

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I've so far done over 50 CLL runs. Literally every run I get at least one Martialist potion that replaces the one I used. I don't particularly like the system, but decent essences are easy as hell to get. It may be difficult to get your "preferred" or "ideal" essence, but using any essence is better than using no essence. Plenty of people use no essence at all.

Can’t really comment on Bozja stuff since I’m not there yet. But when it comes to leeching... its either that or a player being bored out of his mind for doing content for the 100th time (not talking about ppl going afk or staying dead, I guess those ppl are really insisting on a carry)? I think you stop giving your 100% after a certain point of redoing content over and over. I myself have gotten to the point where I’ll leave the duty at the beginning if I’m terribly not in the mood for that lvl 50 dungeon that I’ve done 50 million times...

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Originally Posted by Aelin_Ashryver

No thanks, your minimum threshold for people getting their items from content sounds like nonsense and totally disregards those with disabilities. You've thought clearly of nothing but your own benefit with this suggestion and it shows.

Further rewarding the top 1% is not healthy for the game either. We have enough exclusive things without giving every single piece of combat based content yet more 1% focused rewards. If someone is straight up afk refusing a rez, report that player and carry on your day. But I for one am not about to punish those players who do try their best but cannot keep up with content due to physical disability etc

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Hi, disabled person here. I agree with the OP's suggestion.

The only thing I do not agree with in the OP is that instead of removing rewards, just give bonus rewards to those who are in that 80% threshold. Those in the 20% just get to keep the base rewards. Bad days happen and sometimes you are in that 20% range... irregardless of able status.

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Originally Posted by Xtrasweettea

Hi, disabled person here. I agree with the OP's suggestion.

The only thing I do not agree with in the OP is that instead of removing rewards, just give bonus rewards to those who are in that 80% threshold. Those in the 20% just get to keep the base rewards. Bad days happen and sometimes you are in that 20% range... irregardless of able status.

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Hi disable person here. I disagree with what they are saying.

So we cancel each other out :)


But in all serious though. The system is fine as it is. If you get a bad group full of leeches and can't do the content. Find a new group. Not that hard.

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Originally Posted by Wavaryen

Hi disable person here. I disagree with what they are saying.

So we cancel each other out :)


But in all serious though. The system is fine as it is. If you get a bad group full of leeches and can't do the content. Find a new group. Not that hard.

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You're not going to work on me, Wavaryen. I know that you on purposely troll and flame people in these forums, other games forums (like WoW), and Twitter. At some point "your wife" will take over once you hit a certain post threshold.

I am not going to engage you beyond this point. You can be entertained by others who are not aware of how you interact with people on these forums.

"But think of the disabled people" is the go to "but I want to lick paint" excuse. A lot of disabled people do perfectly fine with difficult content.

What's next? "I want it to be easy because I have anxiety!" ? "Think of the game journalists!" ?

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Originally Posted by Xtrasweettea

You're not going to work on me, Wavaryen. I know that you on purposely troll and flame people in these forums, other games forums (like WoW), and Twitter. At some point "your wife" will take over once you hit a certain post threshold.

I am not going to engage you beyond this point. You can be entertained by others who are not aware of how you interact with people on these forums.

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So now you want to call someone a troll because you don't agree with them? Please don't engage with me. Because you are being childish, and I can't really stand people like you who can't disagree with someone without calling them a troll or something else. After going back and reading some of your posts. You are kinda doing me a favor to be honest.


Pro tip for one disable person to another. It is hard to take you serious or the stance you have when you deflect so easily.

Oh and the wife comment. She found this forum community boring and dull. So she stop posting. She said it was beneath her to be seen on this forum anymore. Worse part of the community. LMAO

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Originally Posted by Nyarlha

"But think of the disabled people" is the go to "but I want to lick paint" excuse. A lot of disabled people do perfectly fine with difficult content.

What's next? "I want it to be easy because I have anxiety!" ? "Think of the game journalists!" ?

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I mean they added Trusts with the thought of people having anxiety. So that example is not that good. :p

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Originally Posted by Aelin_Ashryver

No thanks, your minimum threshold for people getting their items from content sounds like nonsense and totally disregards those with disabilities. You've thought clearly of nothing but your own benefit with this suggestion and it shows.

Further rewarding the top 1% is not healthy for the game either. We have enough exclusive things without giving every single piece of combat based content yet more 1% focused rewards. If someone is straight up afk refusing a rez, report that player and carry on your day. But I for one am not about to punish those players who do try their best but cannot keep up with content due to physical disability etc

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Being useless isn't a disability.

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Originally Posted by Aelin_Ashryver

No thanks, your minimum threshold for people getting their items from content sounds like nonsense and totally disregards those with disabilities. You've thought clearly of nothing but your own benefit with this suggestion and it shows.

Further rewarding the top 1% is not healthy for the game either. We have enough exclusive things without giving every single piece of combat based content yet more 1% focused rewards. If someone is straight up afk refusing a rez, report that player and carry on your day. But I for one am not about to punish those players who do try their best but cannot keep up with content due to physical disability etc

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But are you part of the people with disabilities to speak on their behalf?

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Originally Posted by Aelin_Ashryver

No thanks, your minimum threshold for people getting their items from content sounds like nonsense and totally disregards those with disabilities. You've thought clearly of nothing but your own benefit with this suggestion and it shows.

Further rewarding the top 1% is not healthy for the game either. We have enough exclusive things without giving every single piece of combat based content yet more 1% focused rewards. If someone is straight up afk refusing a rez, report that player and carry on your day. But I for one am not about to punish those players who do try their best but cannot keep up with content due to physical disability etc

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Few things here.

why do people use people with disabilities as a weapon here, don't, you are worse then people insulting people with disabilities, don't use them for your agenda.

The game has so few rewards for the 1%, most of the game is accessible to most players, you are making it sound like theres load of inaccessible rewards which isn't true.

The game actually needs more rewards for the 10% and above, the midcore and above, give more players an incentive to keep at it with midcore content, for this they can't freeride as easy or at all.

Thinking most disabled players are struggling to even play the game feels pretty insulting and patronizing. Even if the intention wasn't harmful, don't use us for your agenda please.

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Originally Posted by Wavaryen

So now you want to call someone a troll because you don't agree with them? Please don't engage with me. Because you are being childish, and I can't really stand people like you who can't disagree with someone without calling them a troll or something else. After going back and reading some of your posts. You are kinda doing me a favor to be honest.

Pro tip for one disable person to another. It is hard to take you serious or the stance you have when you deflect so easily.

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yeah yeah, don't feed the troll and all that, but the sheer irony of him of all people saying these sentences is hilarious
because if you're not doing it on purpose, which is what I know think you're doing now after having read that:
you have one extremely warped view of yourself and how you conduct yourself

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Originally Posted by Rinhi

yeah yeah, don't feed the troll and all that, but the sheer irony of him of all people saying these sentences is hilarious
because if you're not doing it on purpose, which is what I know think you're doing now after having read that:
you have one extremely warped view of yourself and how you conduct yourself

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I have not broke any rules of the forums, and I debate my stance and say I don't agree. It is not my fault some of you are overly sensitive to anyone who does not agree with you. I know this forums is famous for being an echo chamber of the worse parts of the community. Just some of you need to relax.

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Originally Posted by VentVanitas

Thinking most disabled players are struggling to even play the game feels pretty insulting and patronizing. Even if the intention wasn't harmful, don't use us for your agenda please.

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This comment right here. Like the person had good intent. Many disable people who do have problems with some of the fights play this game. Some disable people (like myself) can manage (but I can't do many raids back to back.) The point is, this game has these types. To turn it around on that person, when the heart was in the right place. Just proves a point.


Yoshi-p says you will carry people and like it. If you vote kick them. You can get reported for it. So if that bothers some of you. Don't use duty finder.

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Originally Posted by Alaeacus

I've so far done over 50 CLL runs. Literally every run I get at least one Martialist potion that replaces the one I used. I don't particularly like the system, but decent essences are easy as hell to get. It may be difficult to get your "preferred" or "ideal" essence, but using any essence is better than using no essence. Plenty of people use no essence at all.

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I will always use essences. Always. They just might be ones that help healers run profane instead of any that make me impressive.

Martialist cannot be used by dancers. I have a handful of those.

I don't HATE Bozja but the essence grind is a system they need to take another look at before they run it again. It has merit but it needs to be streamlined and way more clear how/when to use them and where to get them at the very least. A buff that lets you target a certain essence would be nice too. For example if I want a shot at Essence of the Skirmisher I have to abandon my relic grind in Zadnor because that essence does not drop in Zadnor. It could be a buff from turning in field notes you already have idk. Some work for it would be fine since for new players older ones in Old Bozja is somewhat important.

(Note: I am mostly talking about essences you use outside DR, after a point in DR you use Pures)

ITT: Players who have forgotten what it's like to be new to certain content, players who have forgotten what it's like to be new completely, players who are generally pretty fine with the status quo, and the occasional troll.

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Yeah but Awha, imagine you were put in a setting where someone else could do something similar to you. Would you like it? I won't preach about karma, the universe, and stuff but... You are just wrecking yourself if you kick just about anyone based entirely on mood swings. Getting banned in a game is not the worst thing that can happen to someone.

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I am being honest with myself I would be fine with it. I perosnally do not view being removed as they end of the world why would I want to play with a group of a people that had no interest in plaything with me?

Though once again it is not mood swings I just have certain standards that most would find unreasonable or unfair.

In the end I have been removed from parties I just queue again people take being removed far too personally when often times the action is not done out if malice just turns has the voting majority is either neutral or has no desire to play with person B. So if I am removed I just chalk it up to well guess said group does not want to play along with me.

Though I will bite though how exactly am I wrecking myself? What reason do I have to put others ahead of my own or those around me enjoyment?

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Thinking most disabled players are struggling to even play the game feels pretty insulting and patronizing. Even if the intention wasn't harmful, don't use us for your agenda please.

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I usually don't even talk about "what do disabled people want" because I don't personally know any. I can put myself in some imaginary perspective of a disabled person built from my understanding of what a disabled person does and wants but it would be faulty.