Fake FCs' Housing Abuse

1 person/account, entitled to 1 FC, 1 house, 1 apt, alts can share your house/FC ez-peezy.

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Originally Posted by Besame

1 person/account, entitled to 1 FC, 1 house, 1 apt, alts can share your house/FC ez-peezy.

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Y'know, I kind of like that, just limit your account to 1 FC per server. Simple, elegant, easy to implement and hard to work around without signing an entirely different account (With expansions if you want to mess with Kugane.)

BUT, and this is very important to note, I'm the kind of person that doesn't even understand why people would need an actual legitimate Alt-Character for a game like this where you can do everything on a single character. I really wouldn't be able to personally understand why people would need to also be signed to multiple FCs. And that's more on me than it not actually making sense.

Which means it's up to somebody else to point out if having your account locked to a single FC per server is a bad idea.

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Originally Posted by Besame

1 person/account, entitled to 1 FC, 1 house, 1 apt, alts can share your house/FC ez-peezy.

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Originally Posted by Besame

1 person/account, entitled to 1 FC, 1 house, 1 apt, alts can share your house/FC ez-peezy.

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Been suggested wont point out whats wrong with this idea.

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Originally Posted by Besame

1 person/account, entitled to 1 FC, 1 house, 1 apt, alts can share your house/FC ez-peezy.

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There's always going to be the handful of people that want to stick a char in their friend's FC especially since we can roll 8/server.

How would you suggest handling that?

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Originally Posted by Besame

1 person/account, entitled to 1 FC, 1 house, 1 apt, alts can share your house/FC ez-peezy.

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They can't actually cap 1 FC properly unless you were only allowed to join one FC per DC PERIOD. That means, your alts wouldn't be able to join a different FC than your main. Otherwise, it's loopholable: someone else makes the fc, a house is acquired, ownership is transferred over to someone that already owns a personal and is the leader of another FC that has a house.

And all this, to prevent like 200 houses out of a couple thousand from being owned by solo FCs, most of which were likely legit at some point, but died out and transferred to someone that stuck around or came back from a break only to realize that they own a house now.

I get that everyone in this section is salty about housing, about the drought, the lack of access, even the low price threshold to get a house in the first place, but dunking on tiny FCs or solo FCs or making the entire playerbase pay taxes for a house is ridiculous. The only way to resolve the current housing issues, is to add more housing. Everything else is just a bandaid fix that doesn't address the root cause of the issue.

Alternatively, a few more DCs in NA and EU are required anyway. That would help alleviate a lot of housing problems, and compensate for a playerbase that is likely to grow come the new expansion.

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Originally Posted by Arielen

And all this, to prevent like 200 houses out of a couple thousand from being owned by solo FCs, most of which were likely legit at some point, but died out and transferred to someone that stuck around or came back from a break only to realize that they own a house now.

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Do you have actual data to back that up that claim?

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Originally Posted by Arielen

I get that everyone in this section is salty about housing, about the drought, the lack of access, even the low price threshold to get a house in the first place, but dunking on tiny FCs or solo FCs or making the entire playerbase pay taxes for a house is ridiculous.

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Pointing out a problem =/= "dunking on tiny FCs or solo FCs"

If the FC has less than four members, IMO that FC should be disbanded. SE should also look into making FC things (like gardening and the workshop) available to players outside of housing.

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Originally Posted by Arielen

The only way to resolve the current housing issues, is to add more housing. Everything else is just a bandaid fix that doesn't address the root cause of the issue.

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Many have suggested adding instanced housing as a solution. Tbh, one thing won't fix it, and you will need to do many things to hope to fix the situation, and likely course correct between steps.

Alternatively, a few more DCs in NA and EU are required anyway. That would help alleviate a lot of housing problems, and compensate for a playerbase that is likely to grow come the new expansion.[/QUOTE]

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Originally Posted by Almagnus1

Do you have actual data to back that up that claim?



Pointing out a problem =/= "dunking on tiny FCs or solo FCs"

If the FC has less than four members, IMO that FC should be disbanded. SE should also look into making FC things (like gardening and the workshop) available to players outside of housing.



Many have suggested adding instanced housing as a solution. Tbh, one thing won't fix it, and you will need to do many things to hope to fix the situation, and likely course correct between steps.

Alternatively, a few more DCs in NA and EU are required anyway. That would help alleviate a lot of housing problems, and compensate for a playerbase that is likely to grow come the new expansion.

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Same housing stats website as usual: Oliver's. 5% of the current number of plots would put that at 200-300 plots are owned by solo fcs.

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Originally Posted by Arielen

The only way to resolve the current housing issues, is to add more housing. Everything else is just a bandaid fix that doesn't address the root cause of the issue.

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It has also been pointed out why they can't just add either Instanced Housing and/or add more houses. They've been adding more houses, the new wards last for a whole minute before we've run out of Mediums and Larges again, maybe a couple of hours and we're out of Smalls and back into having the exact same issue. At best you can allow people to better transfer characters between servers/DCs so that people go to lower populated worlds and maybe find an actual just free house that they don't camp over, but as its stand the service is expensive af and it means someone is leaving everyone they know from the old server just because Placard Camping is shit.

Placard Camping needs to die. And it won't die just because there are more houses. It needs to be completely eliminated without any trace it was there, the same way you cover old tennage-years photos (Because they're the same level of embarassement.)

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Originally Posted by Besame

1 person/account, entitled to 1 FC, 1 house, 1 apt, alts can share your house/FC ez-peezy.

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Would been nice but alts cannot share apartment or houses since you are unable to add your alt to your friendslist which is a requirement to add them.

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Originally Posted by Almagnus1

There's always going to be the handful of people that want to stick a char in their friend's FC especially since we can roll 8/server.

How would you suggest handling that?

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I think they mean being able to be fc master of only one fc that has a house.

I know its not as fun as coming up with terrible solutions and would mean we need to redirect our outrage to its actual source, but I personally think we should be putting more pressure on SE to solve the mess we are in a way that is fair, like allowing all chars on an account to share a house if they are on the same server while adding enough wards to allow everyone to have housing, adding workshops to personal houses or just add the option to choose instanced housing which would help to solve this issue once and for all, instead of coming up with more and more ways to punish players that currently own or will own houses in the future.

I also am realistic enough to realize that we will never do that since its easier to hate on someone who was able to buy 3 houses rather than the system that allowed it in the first place or the people who refuse to change said system and that this is a 10 year old game so the chances of them solving the housing crisis is nearly non existent at this point, especially if they aren't going to use the upcoming farming sim to do so, which is one of their biggest missed opportunities yet.

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Originally Posted by MicahZerrshia

I know its not as fun as coming up with terrible solutions and would mean we need to redirect our outrage to its actual source, but I personally think we should be putting more pressure on SE to solve the mess we are in a way that is fair, like allowing all chars on an account to share a house if they are on the same server while adding enough wards to allow everyone to have housing, adding workshops to personal houses or just add the option to choose instanced housing which would help to solve this issue once and for all, instead of coming up with more and more ways to punish players that currently own or will own houses in the future.

I also am realistic enough to realize that we will never do that since its easier to hate on someone who was able to buy 3 houses rather than the system that allowed it in the first place or the people who refuse to change said system and that this is a 10 year old game so the chances of them solving the housing crisis is nearly non existent at this point, especially if they aren't going to use the upcoming farming sim to do so, which is one of their biggest missed opportunities yet.

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delicious, finally some good takes

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Originally Posted by Arielen

delicious, finally some good takes

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Oh, you mean like when I suggested something similar several months back:

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Originally Posted by Almagnus1

That's kinda where the suggestions for letting all alts on the same server have access to the same personal house the server (and for that matter, letting the grandfathered in houses appear on each character that's on the same server)

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If you didn't have such a raging hate boner for me... maybe you'd see that.

Oh, and by the way, putting a quote from a four year old thread (which is also completely out of historical and thread context) in your sig is actually a form of harassment, which is in violation of https://support.na.square-enix.com/r...la=1&tag=forum, specifically:

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Posting that constitutes discrimination against another forum member or group (also including forming groups for the purpose of discrimination), insults, slander, libel, harassment of a group or individual.

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Remember what happened to that other poster that went mass hate against me?

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Originally Posted by Penthea

I think they mean being able to be fc master of only one fc that has a house.

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How would that work if an FC leadership happens (like for example) if the FC leader goes AFK and the #2 picks up the slack and continues to run the FC?

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Originally Posted by Almagnus1

Oh, you mean like when I suggested something similar several months back:



If you didn't have such a raging hate boner for me... maybe you'd see that.

Oh, and by the way, putting a quote from a four year old thread (which is also completely out of historical and thread context) in your sig is actually a form of harassment, which is in violation of https://support.na.square-enix.com/r...la=1&tag=forum, specifically:



Remember what happened to that other poster that went mass hate against me?

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citation needed for my saying that the personals being server wide is a bad idea

i never saw that post because I was playing shadowlands for like 3 months

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Originally Posted by Arielen

citation needed for my saying that the personals being server wide is a bad idea

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Your general attitude towards me is anything I post is bad (which is ridiculous). Disagreement is fine, but constantly seeing a four year old take (that is a very bad take when ripped out of historical and thread context) every single time you post is harassment because the objective of your sig is to pre-emptively shut down whatever I have to say.

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Originally Posted by Arielen

i never saw that post because I was playing shadowlands for like 3 months

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Then you prolly missed where the other poster got dealt with because they were getting that out of line. Yes, it was that bad.

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Originally Posted by Almagnus1

Your general attitude towards me is anything I post is bad (which is ridiculous). Disagreement is fine, but constantly seeing a four year old take (that is a very bad take when ripped out of historical and thread context) every single time you post is harassment because the objective of your sig is to pre-emptively shut down whatever I have to say.



Then you prolly missed where the other poster got dealt with because they were getting that out of line. Yes, it was that bad.

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i’m sorry but... that’s not what harassment is at all. it may be upsetting to see but upsetting to see ≠ harassment.

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Originally Posted by Almagnus1

Your general attitude towards me is anything I post is bad (which is ridiculous). Disagreement is fine, but constantly seeing a four year old take (that is a very bad take when ripped out of historical and thread context) every single time you post is harassment because the objective of your sig is to pre-emptively shut down whatever I have to say.



Then you prolly missed where the other poster got dealt with because they were getting that out of line. Yes, it was that bad.

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I have no idea what you want from me here. I agree that your suggestion was good, which immediately negates the notion that I think everything you post is innately bad.

Anyway, if you take issue with my signature, it's your right to report it. I just find it fascinating to log for historical purposes.

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Originally Posted by Almagnus1

How would that work if an FC leadership happens (like for example) if the FC leader goes AFK and the #2 picks up the slack and continues to run the FC?

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I assume SE would put in a mechanic that prevents someone who is already fc leader of a fc with a house to become the fc leader of a second fc with a house. Like...that's the only way it would work. SE would have to change something.

But that person's idea isn't mine so I don't know how they would answer you. Anyway I think their suggestion is excessive. Limiting house ownership to be per server would be enough, and there is no reason to limit apartment ownership at all. I do agree that all alts should have access to the same private home...but I think almost everyone agrees with this given how convenient it would be for everyone. Even SE agreed this would be a good thing.

If they removed the garden plot cap and made it so I my alts had access to my house. Would give up most my plots. If they made it so it so one could use their GC for expeditions I would give up all my fc plots.

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Originally Posted by Arielen

Anyway, if you take issue with my signature, it's your right to report it. I just find it fascinating to log for historical purposes.

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Given the amount of stuff that was stirred up by the other poster when they discovered that thread.... I hardly doubt that's the case.

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Originally Posted by Awha

If they removed the garden plot cap and made it so I my alts had access to my house. Would give up most my plots. If they made it so it so one could use their GC for expeditions I would give up all my fc plots.

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I wonder if gardening's not getting a redo with Endwalkers... so this entire thing may be a relic of the past.

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Originally Posted by Penthea

I assume SE would put in a mechanic that prevents someone who is already fc leader of a fc with a house to become the fc leader of a second fc with a house. Like...that's the only way it would work. SE would have to change something.

But that person's idea isn't mine so I don't know how they would answer you. Anyway I think their suggestion is excessive. Limiting house ownership to be per server would be enough, and there is no reason to limit apartment ownership at all. I do agree that all alts should have access to the same private home...but I think almost everyone agrees with this given how convenient it would be for everyone. Even SE agreed this would be a good thing.

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The only reason I can see that being an issue is when RL interrupts FFXIV, and the FC leader has to pass leadership for RL reasons (which can happen for a variety of perfectly valid reasons). The one scenario I want to avoid is a situation where the leader passes it to the #2 in the FC, but #2 can't take it for whatever reason and the FC house gets released to the market which screws over the FC because of picking a #2 that can't have an FC house on their account. That's a large reason why I want the FC house bound to the FC and the game code does a check for unique active subscriptions and leaves the FC house attached to the FC if there's 4+ unique active subscriptions. IMO it's the FC that's the owner of the house, and not an individual person, so the house ownership should be based on the number of people needed to create the FC (which is 4). I'm also going with the assumption that SE intended the FC to be created by four unique players (identified by their subscriptions), and not four alts on the same account, since you cannot have an alt sign your FC charter.

The real root of that issue (aside from people wanting to own a house) are the expedition and gardening mechanics being locked behind various housing requirements, and in order to deal with the shell FC problem you've got to remove the workshop and gardening incentives from the FC (and hopefully Endwalkers does that with gardening).

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Originally Posted by Almagnus1

There's always going to be the handful of people that want to stick a char in their friend's FC especially since we can roll 8/server.

How would you suggest handling that?

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You can't have it all (well unless your one of those "woke" persons) :). Just trying to make it ez and fair for everyone..

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Originally Posted by Sotaris

Would been nice but alts cannot share apartment or houses since you are unable to add your alt to your friendslist which is a requirement to add them.

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They would have to make changes so alts can share with you, what a concept huh???

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Originally Posted by Besame

They would have to make changes so alts can share with you, what a concept huh???

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Yeah and we've been asking for that for, what 7 or years? I hope it do happen but I have my doubts by now.

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Originally Posted by Besame

(well unless your one of those "woke" persons) :)

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what does this even mean

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Originally Posted by Besame

You can't have it all (well unless your one of those "woke" persons) :). Just trying to make it ez and fair for everyone..

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No, I'm just trying to get you to think through how it would work.... so how would you handle people that have multiple chars in multiple FCs that have houses? Assume, for the sake of argument, that the FCs are normal FCs and not shell FCs.

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Originally Posted by Besame

You can't have it all (well unless your one of those "woke" persons) :). Just trying to make it ez and fair for everyone..

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What does wokeness and the such has to do with anything in this regard?

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Originally Posted by Sotaris

What does wokeness and the such has to do with anything in this regard?

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stupid sjws trying to make housing accessible to the playerbase get over yourselves some people are homeless ok its immersive

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Originally Posted by Arielen

stupid sjws trying to make housing accessible to the playerbase

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I don't think its SJW to want more people have access to player housing? Mind you, I'm not a fan of SJW shinagians or wokeness, that's why I deleted all my social media accounts.

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Originally Posted by Arielen

get over yourselves some people are homeless ok its immersive

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Are you talking about in real life? If then what does that has to do with this game? If you mean people are "homeless" in this game, then do something about it? I got a house on my alt yesterday after camped 3 different plots.

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Originally Posted by Arielen

stupid sjws trying to make housing accessible to the playerbase get over yourselves some people are homeless ok its immersive

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you may want to end replies like this with /s

Some just cannot pick up on sarcasm

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Originally Posted by MicahZerrshia

you may want to end replies like this with /s

Some just cannot pick up on sarcasm

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If that was sarcasm, it can be interpreted in a various different ways in text. Just saying.
And if it was supposed to be sarcasm, it was a real poor attempt at it.

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Originally Posted by MicahZerrshia

you may want to end replies like this with /s

Some just cannot pick up on sarcasm

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If you don't have past experience with a person, you're not going to pick up on their text sarcasm. Some people are 100% serious about the things they say that others assume to be a joke.

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Originally Posted by Jojoya

If you don't have past experience with a person, you're not going to pick up on their text sarcasm. Some people are 100% serious about the things they say that others assume to be a joke.

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I know how online interactions work. For me it was easy to pick up as sarcasm even without previous interactions solely due to context and a familiarity with social media.

But that is also why I suggested the /s tag on the end. It wasn't a dig on anyone, but there is no reason to derail a conversation, again, due to someone not being able to pick up on it.

I'd be fine with changes so long as they allowed me to pay to change an FC plot into a personal one. My house is an old FC plot that was given to me by friends who stopped playing the game back in HW but that was established in ARR. For most of SB I was sitting on the plot, waiting for them to come back, and it wasn't until ShB nearly dropped that they definitively told me I could have it. Which missed the cut off for easily selling a plot and then quickly rebuying it as a personal. I'd more than happily pay the purchase price or more to switch.

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Originally Posted by Enla

I'd be fine with changes so long as they allowed me to pay to change an FC plot into a personal one. My house is an old FC plot that was given to me by friends who stopped playing the game back in HW but that was established in ARR. For most of SB I was sitting on the plot, waiting for them to come back, and it wasn't until ShB nearly dropped that they definitively told me I could have it. Which missed the cut off for easily selling a plot and then quickly rebuying it as a personal. I'd more than happily pay the purchase price or more to switch.

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That might actually be a decent way out of this mess, as it would allow those in the shell FCs a way to unload their assets in a way that doesn't completely screw them over - provided that it's a limited time window thing, and not a permanent feature to the housing system otherwise that will resurrect some long dead problems.

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Originally Posted by MicahZerrshia

you may want to end replies like this with /s

Some just cannot pick up on sarcasm

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Depressing.

Anyway yeah absolutely /s don't trust anyone who says that unironically lmfao

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Originally Posted by Sotaris

I don't think its SJW to want more people have access to player housing? Mind you, I'm not a fan of SJW shinagians or wokeness, that's why I deleted all my social media accounts.

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Deeply regret being sarcastic on the forums now this reply sucked all joy from me

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Originally Posted by Arielen

Deeply regret being sarcastic on the forums now this reply sucked all joy from me

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Mission accomplished?