Online store prices are outrageously high!

i would spent more if there will be more nice gear for males , imagine gear ingame is much better than on mogstation :C but yeah, not everyone is living in over average wealthy countries :/

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Originally Posted by Haruka_R

The Mogstation leaves much to be desired though. Mostly consisting of seasonal event items from events you missed. All the outfits aren't terribly exciting either: half of em from npc's that are no longer wearing them or are no longer around to wear em, the other half being original designs but kinda bland looking. Then there are the two pairs of outfits from other FF titles. They should do MORE of that.

We then have the highly disturbing lack of weapon bundles. This one really gets me down, cuz when I go into a cash shop I head over to the weapons section first to see what they've got, see how cool they look, and am somewhat pleased. Mogstation's is extremely pitiful. All you've got are: 1) Scythes 2) all of the Heavensward weapons 3) FFXIII weapons. That's it. No weapons for any other job in that shop, not even my dear Rouge Ninja. Disgraceful.

Only 24 mounts and they're meh. I bought the cloud though. (the motorcycle might be next)

Everything else I don't care about. The Mogstation could deeeeeeeeeeefinitely stand to get more shit, either original designs and/or from the game itself, or from other FF titles and/or Square games. But if there are money/ licensing issues that I don't know about, then I guess that's that.

FF14's cash may not be that bad at all, but for what it has to offer, it's pretty bad.

3.5/10

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the motorcycle is cool. I had the mount music turned off and i had to reset the game settings due to some dx errors and i was honestly expecting the generic mount music they use for a lot of hte mounts. Needless to say it is pure nostalgia from FFVII on the motorcycle with its mount music.IF only if I could swing a buster sword on it.

The same thing that was repeated in another thread.
-SE are rats
-The Moggstation sucks
-They will not change anything because a large part of the community defends this

And voila, people have the right to complain as many times as they want because it is a situation that is bad lol

Just don't buy anything

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Originally Posted by ErysNight

I feel like we need to keep this for every ime this ridiculous thread pops up. Well said.

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I think it says more about the state of the industry and players. Getting nickel and dimed and liking it! lol Sad times.

From horse armour to loot boxes to having to pay for a PS5 upgrade and everything in between. People will never learn, apparently. Keep on milking, SE. They want it oh so badly. xD

I think it comes down to a couple different types of people

1. want everything for free because they sub to the game
2. want things dirt cheap because they sub to the game
3. dont care what the prices are because nothing in there is needed to actually play and look good in the game
4. dont care what the prices are because they know how to budget and giving up their daily fix ($6 coffee etc) means they can spend the money to get something they like
5. dont care because they have more money than sense and just like to buy everything, to show off OR support the game
6. complain because thats just what they do all the time. (for those types here is some cheese for your whine..)

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Originally Posted by Enla

No one is saying you can't complain. There's a reason 'vote with your wallet' has been tossed around multiple times in this thread and threads like it. If the prices are truly outrageous for you then not buying the products is absolutely a form of protest. What I'm seeing people take issue with is the passive aggressive clap backs and the idea that people /deserve/ these items.

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Originally Posted by Kes13a

I think it comes down to a couple different types of people

1. want everything for free because they sub to the game
2. want things dirt cheap because they sub to the game
3. dont care what the prices are because nothing in there is needed to actually play and look good in the game
4. dont care what the prices are because they know how to budget and giving up their daily fix ($6 coffee etc) means they can spend the money to get something they like
5. dont care because they have more money than sense and just like to buy everything, to show off OR support the game
6. complain because thats just what they do all the time. (for those types here is some cheese for your whine..)

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There's truth in that. Though I'd say it isn't so much that some "don't care what the prices are" at all so much as that some people "don't care that the prices are what they are". If they jacked up prices to triple digits you can bet that there would be a lot more complaining around here.
Money, for most people other than the kind that swims in it and doesn't know what to spend it on, is still very much a consideration.
There's a difference between being able to (justify to) buy something at the current price tag and not at all caring what that price tag is, just like there is a difference between asking for the current price to be lowered and wanting stuff for free.

I've said before that I like where prices are at. This is not because I don't care because I would be able to afford the items anyway.
In fact, for leased virtual items I think the prices are on the high (but acceptable) end. This helps me to examine what items I really want to buy (and do I need them right this instant or am I willing to wait for a sale to see if I still want them then) because at the prices we're looking at impulse buys are, for me, right out of the question and to me that's a good thing.

Also, I'd like to lodge a complaint about the free cheese you offer. It does not appeal to my palate and should be exchanged for a higher quality offering immediately. I await compensation for the inconvenience I have suffered.

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Originally Posted by Payadopa

I think it says more about the state of the industry and players. Getting nickel and dimed and liking it! lol Sad times.

From horse armour to loot boxes to having to pay for a PS5 upgrade and everything in between. People will never learn, apparently. Keep on milking, SE. They want it oh so badly. xD

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I feel like we need to keep this for every time ridiculous responses to these threads pop up. Well said.

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Originally Posted by Payadopa

I think it says more about the state of the industry and players. Getting nickel and dimed and liking it! lol Sad times.

From horse armour to loot boxes to having to pay for a PS5 upgrade and everything in between. People will never learn, apparently. Keep on milking, SE. They want it oh so badly. xD

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No one was forced to buy that st*pid horse armor DLC, no one is forced to buy a PS5 and/or pay for "upgraded" versions of the already available games. And, most importantly, none of those things are basic needs, so... pay for them if you want AND can, or just don't do it.

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Originally Posted by JamieRose

I feel like we need to keep this for every time ridiculous responses to these threads pop up. Well said.

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Why would we keep yet another ridiculous response?

Responses like this just make people come across as entitled and spoiled individuals who need everything to either be free or dirt cheap, because they don't want to be forced to make budgetary choices unless absolutely necessary. (i.e.: I can't sub the game or I won't be able to pay the bills)

They're optional items, optional DLC, optional upgrades. Don't want to pay for them? Then don't. /closethread

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I feel like we need to keep this for every time ridiculous responses to these threads pop up. Well said.

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Like, omg, I so agree with you. I remember buying ARR and not only I had to buy HW to progress but SE totally twisted my arm and made me buy the knight outfits cuz without them, I couldn't get to Ishgard. Then Stormblood came and I couldn't believe SE gated the trip to Kugane behind the Far Eastern set. What a soulless company, nickel and diming me like this. Don't even get me started on Shb's most egregious move: SE said that if I don't get their digital collector's edition, my character would level at a quarter's rate than everyone else.

Thank goodness for companies like EA. Their mtx is totally optional and they make games that will never twist your arm into buying their mtx stuff just to progress decently. I really like how everything in their shop costs next to nothing. Why can't SE be like this? I tell ya, there's something definitely wrong when a company can do the right thing by charging monthly fees for retainers but does the wrong thing when everything else CLEARLY and ABSOLUTELY impacts the game very badly.

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Also, I'd like to lodge a complaint about the free cheese you offer. It does not appeal to my palate and should be exchanged for a higher quality offering immediately. I await compensation for the inconvenience I have suffered.

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We would like to apologize for the offense to your palate, however, since you did not imbibe adequate amounts of the whine, we cannot in truth honour your request for a higher quality cheese due to border tariff issues. perhaps we can offer instead.. A FREE TRIP TO THE CLOSEST WINDOW! all expenses paid, we spared no expense

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Originally Posted by Violet_Galaxy

No. Learn to budget. If you can't do that then wait for sales. If that's still too much for you, then your issues aren't exactly SE problem but your own.

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No, the issue is with SE. The items are simply far too expensive. When something is massively over-priced, you don't 'budget' for it. You point out it's a rip-off, don't buy it and talk to people about how it's a massive rip-off.

If you went to the shop and they charged you £10 for a loaf of bread and you complained about it and someone told you to just budget, you'd think they were being ridiculous. This is no different.

DLC has been around long enough in video games for people to gauge what is and isn't reasonable and these are far above what you'd expect to pay for what they are.

Wait for the sale. But sadlly there is nothing in the store that should be more then a $1...

Really how many people actively play the game about 800k
I'm not paying $25 for a mount. That is basically a retecture of something already in the game.
Even if it took a week to do tweak it. Which it doesn't 1 person lets say $40/hour x 40 $1600 to make it just right... with meeting and commities and everything.. lets say it cost 2k.
I personally thing a lot more people would pay $1 few that pay $25..

But they see value because a few people do pay $25 so they think that is the going rate.
and lets face it 1,000/800,000 that's still $25,000 vs hoping 25k people pay for it.

I honestly think there shouldn't be anything in the cash shop you can't get in game. Make them time/gil/untradable currancy sinks.
$10 a month time 5 months to get a mount is $50 vs $25...

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Originally Posted by JTF-Taru

If you went to the shop and they charged you £10 for a loaf of bread and you complained about it and someone told you to just budget, you'd think they were being ridiculous. This is no different.

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If I went to a shop and get charged for 10 dollars, that's me asking for it because they typically display prices for food they sell. That means I knowingly took that bread that costs 10 dollars and brought it to the shelf. My choice
Secondly, if I didn't like those prices, I'd just...leave the store and go to another one that sells cheaper? Duh.

"But what if it's like, the only store in your neighborhood?"

Omg omg omg, um....oh i know! I'll just...not buy the bread and live on something else. *Cue mind explosion*

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No, the issue is with SE. The items are simply far too expensive. When something is massively over-priced, you don't 'budget' for it. You point out it's a rip-off, don't buy it and talk to people about how it's a massive rip-off.

If you went to the shop and they charged you £10 for a loaf of bread and you complained about it and someone told you to just budget, you'd think they were being ridiculous. This is no different.

DLC has been around long enough in video games for people to gauge what is and isn't reasonable and these are far above what you'd expect to pay for what they are.

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A store, as the business it is, has the whole right to put the price they want to the products they sell. At the same time i, as a client, have the whole right to decide IF i want to pay said price or not. If i consider that price too high for what the product offers, then i just go to a different store and/or choose a different/similar product with a better price. That IS how you send the message to any company; The less their product sells, the faster it gets a better price and/or offers more for said price

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No, the issue is with SE. The items are simply far too expensive. When something is massively over-priced, you don't 'budget' for it. You point out it's a rip-off, don't buy it and talk to people about how it's a massive rip-off.

If you went to the shop and they charged you £10 for a loaf of bread and you complained about it and someone told you to just budget, you'd think they were being ridiculous. This is no different.

DLC has been around long enough in video games for people to gauge what is and isn't reasonable and these are far above what you'd expect to pay for what they are.

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You are not comparing apples to apples. you need food to live. there is nothing in the store NEEDED to play the game. how is that a difficult concept to master? So yes, it is completely different. If you WANT something that is optional, as in not absolutely required, then being told to budget for said item is a completely reasonable response. If you personally think the price is excessive.. do not buy it. simple answer.

If the prices were "far above what you'd expect to pay" then few would buy them and they would have to reconsider their pricing. The obvious fact that the market obviously supports charging what they do, is evidence itself that the prices are not "far above" what people using the shop are expecting.

the reasoning that the fault is with SE is faulty. IF anything, the fault lies with people using the store. SE is a business, they tend to want to make income. If they were a charity, then you would have a point, but they are not.

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No, the issue is with SE. The items are simply far too expensive. When something is massively over-priced, you don't 'budget' for it. You point out it's a rip-off, don't buy it and talk to people about how it's a massive rip-off.

If you went to the shop and they charged you £10 for a loaf of bread and you complained about it and someone told you to just budget, you'd think they were being ridiculous. This is no different.

DLC has been around long enough in video games for people to gauge what is and isn't reasonable and these are far above what you'd expect to pay for what they are.

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You're comparing apples to oranges. Buying a loaf of bread for £10 IS ridiculous and it's really not something an adult needs to say/think aloud. It's a gimme that said adult should shop around and seek a better deal in the market; to think otherwise shows that your childish and aren't equipped for the real world. There's only one Mogstation. It has no competition in Mogstation item sales (as SE is the sole owner), therefore they control Mogstation sales.

Honestly, I'm bewildered that we're actually comparing sales of necessities to digital wants.

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Originally Posted by JTF-Taru

No, the issue is with SE. The items are simply far too expensive. When something is massively over-priced, you don't 'budget' for it. You point out it's a rip-off, don't buy it and talk to people about how it's a massive rip-off.

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"Far too expensive" for you. You have the problem. The market is there for people buying it at it's current pricepoint. That is what sets the price, not what you personally want to pay for it. What you are outraged about paying once, EVER for your character, many average people spend on 1-10 minute experiences. You can buy a starbucks drink.. or have a new emote for your character. You can get a pretty nice dinner.. or you can have a 4 person mount that you get to use until you stop your sub. Perspective is important as well

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DLC has been around long enough in video games for people to gauge what is and isn't reasonable and these are far above what you'd expect to pay for what they are.

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Except provably not. Many other (just as popular) games actually charge MORE for less. Considering FFXIV is mostly designed to have maybe 1 character per server (I'm not saying you can't have alts, just that you can experience pretty much everything the game has to offer on one character), the price per item applying to one character is very reasonable.

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Originally Posted by Kewitt

But sadlly there is nothing in the store that should be more then a $1...

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Because? Please explain beyond "I don't think it should cost more than.. "

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Originally Posted by Kewitt

Really how many people actively play the game about 800k
I'm not paying $25 for a mount. That is basically a retecture of something already in the game.
Even if it took a week to do tweak it. Which it doesn't 1 person lets say $40/hour x 40 $1600 to make it just right... with meeting and commities and everything.. lets say it cost 2k.
I personally thing a lot more people would pay $1 few that pay $25..

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Except it takes one person to conceptualize it, one person to model it, one person to texture it, several people to test and implement it, etc. etc.

Your concept of "I bet more people would buy it for a dollar.. " .. well yes.. but it would take 25 times as many people to make the same amount of money, not adjusting for transaction fees and so on. They don't just slap prices on stuff, they research what the market is (check other games acceptable prices) and figure out at what pricepoint they'll make the most money.

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Originally Posted by Kewitt

But they see value because a few people do pay $25 so they think that is the going rate.
and lets face it 1,000/800,000 that's still $25,000 vs hoping 25k people pay for it.

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If enough people pay a price.. that is the going rate. That is how a luxury market works.
And again.. market research is done. A company of this size does not "hope".

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Originally Posted by Kewitt

I honestly think there shouldn't be anything in the cash shop you can't get in game. Make them time/gil/untradable currancy sinks.
$10 a month time 5 months to get a mount is $50 vs $25...

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Then there wouldn't be an incentive to use the cash shop and the whole purpose it was made for would be bunk. Therefore you wouldn't have most of the items in it since they were cash shop exclusives made by an entirely separate team created for that sole purpose.

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Originally Posted by Payadopa

I think it says more about the state of the industry and players. Getting nickel and dimed and liking it! lol Sad times.

From horse armour to loot boxes to having to pay for a PS5 upgrade and everything in between. People will never learn, apparently. Keep on milking, SE. They want it oh so badly. xD

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Would you prefer the alternative of retail prices doubling? Capcom's CEO has gone on record saying he believes video games should be at least $150 if not $200. Do you really believe he's the only publisher with such a sentiment. Before you argue "LOL. No one would pay that price." Maybe, maybe not. But then be prepared for even less content on $60 titles. Instead of the Last of Us being 12-15 hours, it's only 7.

Put simply, the cost of development has skyrocketed over the last decade yet video game retail prices haven't changed. Like it or not, publishers aren't just going to eat those extra costs. They will put them onto the consumer in some capacity. Micro-transactions at least give you the option to opt out. You can play FFXIV without spending a single cent more than the expansion cost and monthly sub. None of this is unique to the gaming industry either. Ten years ago, I could buy a bottle of Pepsi for .99. Now it's 2.49.

On a separate note, nearly every single publisher is offering a free upgrade for PS5 games if you own the PS4 copy. Same thing with X-Box Series X.

perhaps people like the OP are right, SE should go to the "cheaper" lottery loot box idea. Instead of being able to get WHAT YOU WANT from the Mog station, SE should go to the "cheaper" lottery loot box idea. they come out with cheap loot boxes that have a ultra slim chance to get the mount from and a whopping HUGE chance to get a lot of garbage dyes or other useless items. for say, $2 each. they could include a token in each box that if you collect say 400 of them you can trade in for the actual item you are looking for, a token that changes every box issuance so you cant use the previous token on the new items.

Sure, you may get lucky with rng and manage to pick up what you actually wanted for $2, but after having experienced that system, I would say on average you are spending closer to $100.

personally speaking, I'll take being about to buy what I want, when I want it, instead of filling my inventory with garbage and possibly STILL not getting what I want before I spend $800 on a virtual item that isnt required to play the game. I know of and have played dying games that use this "cheaper" sounding option. so, be careful what you wish for, since the alternative is far worse than the one you complain about now.

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perhaps people like the OP are right, SE should go to the "cheaper" lottery loot box idea. Instead of being able to get WHAT YOU WANT from the Mog station, SE should go to the "cheaper" lottery loot box idea. they come out with cheap loot boxes that have a ultra slim chance to get the mount from and a whopping HUGE chance to get a lot of garbage dyes or other useless items. for say, $2 each. they could include a token in each box that if you collect say 400 of them you can trade in for the actual item you are looking for, a token that changes every box issuance so you cant use the previous token on the new items.

Sure, you may get lucky with rng and manage to pick up what you actually wanted for $2, but after having experienced that system, I would say on average you are spending closer to $100.

personally speaking, I'll take being about to buy what I want, when I want it, instead of filling my inventory with garbage and possibly STILL not getting what I want before I spend $800 on a virtual item that isnt required to play the game. I know of and have played dying games that use this "cheaper" sounding option. so, be careful what you wish for, since the alternative is far worse than the one you complain about now.

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That's not misrepresenting my argument at all. /s

What some people don't seem to understand is that SE don't set the prices for items on Mogstation, the market does. You may think that the prices are too high but obviously enough people are buying the product to justify the prices they sell them at.

An external company, or a specific team in SE's financial division will look at previous sales figures, and set the price at what will gain them the most income. The reason a mount is $36 is because that is the figure that will net them the maximum revenue. If they release the next 3 mounts at $36 and they sell half of what they expected, then the price for the next one released will be lower.

Vote with your wallet. This isn't unique to Mogstation, it's something that occurs in every facet of luxury purchases.

in Aus we have to pay in Euro and a over seas fee
SE hates australia
lovely $47 multi seater chocobo

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No one was forced to buy that st*pid horse armor DLC, no one is forced to buy a PS5 and/or pay for "upgraded" versions of the already available games. And, most importantly, none of those things are basic needs, so... pay for them if you want AND can, or just don't do it.

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And yet there is a forum. That's a really weak point, I'm sorry to say.

And I didn't buy horse armour, yet enough people did, rewarding publishers to push the envelope and twenty odd years later we have the result. Apologists and fanboys who can't part with their money fast enough.

In a game that I -already- paid for. People love to forget the fact that we pay all the time already. /sigh Sad.

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Originally Posted by ForteNightshade

Would you prefer the alternative of retail prices doubling? Capcom's CEO has gone on record saying he believes video games should be at least $150 if not $200. Do you really believe he's the only publisher with such a sentiment. Before you argue "LOL. No one would pay that price." Maybe, maybe not. But then be prepared for even less content on $60 titles. Instead of the Last of Us being 12-15 hours, it's only 7.

Put simply, the cost of development has skyrocketed over the last decade yet video game retail prices haven't changed. Like it or not, publishers aren't just going to eat those extra costs. They will put them onto the consumer in some capacity. Micro-transactions at least give you the option to opt out. You can play FFXIV without spending a single cent more than the expansion cost and monthly sub. None of this is unique to the gaming industry either. Ten years ago, I could buy a bottle of Pepsi for .99. Now it's 2.49.

On a separate note, nearly every single publisher is offering a free upgrade for PS5 games if you own the PS4 copy. Same thing with X-Box Series X.

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You make some fair points.
However, there are a few inaccuracies there.
On you last point you said yourself that -nearly- every publisher does that. So some are pushing the envelope then. That's exactly what I said. Give it another few years and it will become the norm because you're apparently not allowed to speak out against greed.

Publishers also love to say that gaming has gone up in cost, but I'd argue that I, first off, never asked them to make everything photo realistic, nor to spend two thirds of the budget for PR and trailers to generate hype. (That's some real contempt for your audience there, if you think that dangling a few shiny keys in front of them will distract them long enough so they'll forget that the trailer actually didn't contain any gameplay - and preorder. SE certainly is no stranger to that)

And another point in conjunction with my last statement: we're going more and more digital. There are less manufacturing costs. When was the last time as a PC player you even got a disk with your purchase? Weird that publishers never mention that side, too.

And how do you explain indie games like Hollow Knight or Spiritfarer (both damn good btw)?

One could even say this over-reliance on generating ludicrous amounts of money is they reason why this game gets more and more boring. Broadest common denominator. So that Timmy-ten-thumb and Melissa-mindless can sub too. I'm not saying there is no place for them but if you bring pretty much down everything aside from raids to keep them subbed I think there is a problem. The last point is an exaggeration, granted, but I don't think I'm too far off.

I think it boils down to seeing the bigger picture here. No action happens in a vacuum.
I hope I was able to make my points clear, even if it was a bit rambly. ^^

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In a game that I -already- paid for. People love to forget the fact that we pay all the time already. /sigh Sad.

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Do you order an entrée at a restaurant then complain when you have to pay extra to get a beverage, appetizer and/or dessert?

What you're paying for is the entrée. If you want the extras, you need to pay extra.

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And how do you explain indie games like Hollow Knight or Spiritfarer (both damn good btw)?

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I wasn't aware those are MMOs.

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"Far too expensive" for you. You have the problem. The market is there for people buying it at it's current pricepoint. That is what sets the price, not what you personally want to pay for it. What you are outraged about paying once, EVER for your character, many average people spend on 1-10 minute experiences. You can buy a starbucks drink.. or have a new emote for your character. You can get a pretty nice dinner.. or you can have a 4 person mount that you get to use until you stop your sub. Perspective is important as well

Except provably not. Many other (just as popular) games actually charge MORE for less. Considering FFXIV is mostly designed to have maybe 1 character per server (I'm not saying you can't have alts, just that you can experience pretty much everything the game has to offer on one character), the price per item applying to one character is very reasonable.

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But it isn't just me. I'm not the one who started the thread. Nor am I one of the many other people who have all pointed out how over-priced these items are. Plenty of people have pointed this out. So that's not true.

A small number of people being prepared to overpay for something doesn't make a market nor define how the majority think.

The reasons being used to try and defend the prices make no sense. People are saying things like 'I usually buy a Starbucks drink for $6 so paying $6 for an emote (or whatever) is fine. I'll just go without my Starbucks drink for a day.'

But Starbucks is literally the go-to example when people talk about how over-priced street shop drinks are. Defending over-paying for one thing because you usually over-pay for another thing doesn't make it okay.

And the argument that the drinks aren't over-priced as Starbucks is a successful company so the market is happy to pay their prices isn't valid either. There are 7.6 billion people on the planet. Only a tiny minority of those think paying exorbitant prices for a drink is okay. But enough do to keep the company in business. Doesn't stop Starbucks having their deserved reputation for over-priced drinks no matter what the 'market' says.

There is an objective notion of over-pricing and the Mog Station is very much in the same category as Starbucks.

Also it's provable that the items are over-priced. Many, many games give you much more for less money or at least comparable items for less.

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Also it's provable that the items are over-priced. Many, many games give you much more for less money or at least comparable items for less.

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There are no comparable items. Items in other games are not available in FFXIV, therefore they are not competing in the same market.

Once again:

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Do you order an entrée at a restaurant then complain when you have to pay extra to get a beverage, appetizer and/or dessert?

What you're paying for is the entrée. If you want the extras, you need to pay extra.


I wasn't aware those are MMOs.

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I already paid to enter the restaurant.
And I pay to be allowed to stay in.

And, you are correct. These aren't MMOs. Haha We were talking about the state of the industry, though. MMOs are part if that after all.

I don't come up with prices for add-on content.. I also don't develop them. I know people who do tho, not just for little cash shop features. Best I can say is we really do not know what the process involved in getting that content to the Mogstation entails entirely. There is probably some Quality Assurance team that needs to be paid for their time, probably some animosity between certain members of the Quality Assurance team and whatever artists make stuff as well, leading to expenditures and some level of crony-ism involved that we are just not privy to. That's business.

I honestly feel like the chocobo carriage is overpriced for what is there. It's an already in-game asset that probably had some slight modifications made to it, whatever coding was needed to make it a useable mount happened, and recycled "chocobo mount" theme. To me, that isn't getting my 35.99 or whatever the cost is. On the flip side, I was all about that SDS fenrir.. loved the theme it plays as well, and that is like not recycled asset. It's a one seater, cost 29.99 and it is account wide as well. To me I feel like I got my USD worth out of that. I use it every time I log in. I use the regalia too, and I said when that came out I'd pay $30 to get that on an alt or the rest of my account.


Is the stuff over priced? That's subjective. I'm a guy with disposable income thankfully, I don't try to flaunt it. There are multiple glams that imo are just not worth it to me. I will not pay for them, for the cost. Maybe on a sale, but even still at like 33% off, I am like nah, I'll just pass. I can "afford" them, but I just reign back and say no not worth it. There is the vast majority of the little cash shop I feel this way about. And considering the few things I've bought, and how all over the spectrum of cost they were it just came down to what I judge was worth it to me.

I fantasia'd to miqo 1 time, and back to Lalafell, and I feel that fantasia's are insanely overpriced for what you get, not gonna buy another, and even if they go on sale, not ever going to buy one. Now a buy one get one free, eh maybe, but I also just enjoy being a smol.
I know my schpeel here is probably hitting off topic at points but what I mean to say is, judge the value of the item, and decide for yourself. There are things that are eh sorta kinda want them on the mogshop but at the same time, flopping down 10-15 bucks for them even if I have it to spend just prohibits my interest from making it a sale for them. If they want my money, they'll adapt, and sell cheaper. If not, I'll just be short glam.

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Originally Posted by Sauteed

I know my schpeel here is probably hitting off topic at points but what I mean to say is, judge the value of the item, and decide for yourself. There are things that are eh sorta kinda want them on the mogshop but at the same time, flopping down 10-15 bucks for them even if I have it to spend just prohibits my interest from making it a sale for them. If they want my money, they'll adapt, and sell cheaper. If not, I'll just be short glam.

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Yep, pretty much this. It's not necessarily a question of whether one can or can't afford something. Just because you can afford a brand new Rolls Royce doesn't mean you're going to go out and buy one because, hey, that's just what they cost. There is still a lot of room to say "I might want that or like that but it's not worth what they're asking for it" even if you can afford it.

For me, I'd like the dirndl shirt and the spriggan mount. I could easily afford the dirndl shirt and the spriggan mount. But I'm not buying either of them because I think charging $18 USD for a single in game shirt and $30 USD for a in game mount is a serious over reach, especially in a game I already pay monthly to play.

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Originally Posted by SenorPatty

If I went to a shop and get charged for 10 dollars, that's me asking for it because they typically display prices for food they sell. That means I knowingly took that bread that costs 10 dollars and brought it to the shelf. My choice
Secondly, if I didn't like those prices, I'd just...leave the store and go to another one that sells cheaper? Duh. "But what if it's like, the only store in your neighborhood?" Omg omg omg, um....oh i know! I'll just...not buy the bread and live on something else. *Cue mind explosion*

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None of that has anything to do with the point being made. Which was if something is over-priced and someone tells you just to budget for it, you wouldn't treat it as a reasonable thing to say.

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Originally Posted by Violet_Galaxy

You're comparing apples to oranges. Buying a loaf of bread for £10 IS ridiculous and it's really not something an adult needs to say/think aloud. It's a gimme that said adult should shop around and seek a better deal in the market; to think otherwise shows that your childish and aren't equipped for the real world. There's only one Mogstation. It has no competition in Mogstation item sales (as SE is the sole owner), therefore they control Mogstation sales.

Honestly, I'm bewildered that we're actually comparing sales of necessities to digital wants.

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No one needs bread to eat. If it's too expensive, buy rice or crackers or potatoes etc. There is no difference between the two comparisons. The only 'childish thing' is your inability to form a coherent point without making baseless insults.

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It has never mattered whether something is needed or not. Being ripped off as something is over-priced is being ripped off as something is over-priced. People will always talk about something like that, whether it's bread or computer graphics. Trying to come up with semantic reasons to promote being ripped off isn't reasonable. In your own words, 'How is that a difficult concept to master?'

Yes, the fault lies with SE. As for that market stuff, I refer you to the answer I gave Krotoan. This is just repeating the same stuff so there is no point repeating the same answers over and over.

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Originally Posted by linayar

There are no comparable items. Items in other games are not available in FFXIV, therefore they are not competing in the same market.

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It doesn’t matter if it’s literally the same thing or not. The concepts are the same or close enough so of course the items are comparable.

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Originally Posted by Duskane

in Aus we have to pay in Euro and a over seas fee
SE hates australia
lovely $47 multi seater chocobo

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That's...appalling.

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Originally Posted by JTF-Taru

There is an objective notion of over-pricing and the Mog Station is very much in the same category as Starbucks.

Also it's provable that the items are over-priced. Many, many games give you much more for less money or at least comparable items for less.

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actually, what you are putting forth as being overprices is your subjective view. since they sell the items, it is apparent not everyone feels the same.

so, prove that the items are overpriced. I have seen no other games selling items for FFxiv just as I have not seen mog station selling things for other games. so I am not following how its provable. What are the costs for developing these items? I have not seen those figures anywhere. basically, without seeing a cost to market for an item you are unable to say anything is provable.

single character mounts are half the price of account wide. So it is apparent some coding is involved there to allow for inclusion for all characters. Do you happen to know what extra coding is required to allow for 3 passengers?

I am certain you are also aware that as a business, they expect to make some profit to show to stockholders. do you have anything that shows profit per item that may be provable for your claim?

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It doesn’t matter if it’s literally the same thing or not. The concepts are the same or close enough so of course the items are comparable.

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Comparable for what purpose? Items sold in the FFXIV Online Store are made for your FFXIV characters. Other items that cannot be used by your FFXIV characters because they are made for other games are irrelevant regardless of what they cost.

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No one needs bread to eat. If it's too expensive, buy rice or crackers or potatoes etc. There is no difference between the two comparisons. The only 'childish thing' is your inability to form a coherent point without making baseless insults.

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Goodness gracious, way to miss my entire point. Nobody needs Mogstation items to play this game. SE even made that point very clear on their banner once you hit the Mogstation page that the items are OPTIONAL ITEMS. If you're arguing just to argue, you're doing a very poor job at it.

I made no insults. The fact you think I did is another you problem. Not me.

Game makes you pay for:

1. Monthly sub
2. Pay for the base game (up until the most recent free trial so most people playing now bought the base game)
3. Expansions (basic full game price every 2 years)
4. You need retainers if you want decent item storage and gil making.

Yet people still think it's fine for Square Enix to charge 100s of dollars for statues, and 40 bucks for the most recent mount.
Not to mention all the other merchandise and crap they flog that a certain portion of this audience will buy each and everytime no matter what it is.

Only way they will change is if no-one buys the mogstation stuff but that isn't going to stop anytime soon.

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Originally Posted by Payadopa

I already paid to enter the restaurant.
And I pay to be allowed to stay in.

And, you are correct. These aren't MMOs. Haha We were talking about the state of the industry, though. MMOs are part if that after all.

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Ok so the idea youre thinking about is pay to enter. Then consider it this way. You buy a ticket to go to a theme park like Disneyland. You can ride the rides to your hearts content, but that cute tshirt with Mickey and Minnie mouse doesnt come with your ticket price. Its extra. You pay out of pocket for it, on top of your ticket price.

This is how FFXIV works in a very blunt and simplistic manner. You paid to get in the theme park, you can ride the rides (content), but the merch (glamour/emotes/etc) is extra. Thats how this works. Just cause you buy the ticket doesnt mean youre entitled to everything that is within the park.

This is all really economics and the willingness to pay.

Plus these are all options for your characters. If you want premium for vanity reasons, you pay for it. You missed the sale? Oh well.

I don't want to be crude but these are really all vanity items. You don't need them. You just want them.

The willingness to pay concept doesn't care if you think it's expensive as long as there's a good amount of people out there are willing to pay for those prices advertised.