Poll: Which of these FF jobs would you like to see added to XIV next? (Post ShB)

A lot of these jobs are either too gimmicky (Juggler, Onion Knight, Mediator) or potential limited job candidates (Beastmaster, Puppetmaster, Time Mage) or are already present in some form (Gunner). So I'm going to just exclude those and go for more likely candidates for standard jobs.

I'm leaning towards Chemist and Spell blade/Rune Knight. If CHM is coming in as a healer, I hope they really add unique traits to it that differentiates it from the others. I know some people have suggested a NIN-like model for Mix, but I don't particularly think that's clever or interesting. And for Rune Knight, I would really like a battle mage approach to it that focuses on self-buffing their weapons in battle. Kind of the classic En-spells RDMs used to do. Still not a lot to go on for the job, but it's a start.

Really like to see a melee class healer for next job and another job that uses whips for weapons.

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Originally Posted by hynaku

Really like to see a melee class healer for next job and another job that uses whips for weapons.

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Not trying to shut down your ideas, rather create a design discussion, but what would being melee add to healer? Heals are already large and there's no real way that a melee healer could be designed without hampering it's usefulness

I expect some of Time Mage's abilities would be nerfed, like the Gravity line doing potency-based damage instead of percentage of life, but it feels to me like something straight-forward with potential for some side rotations with Haste/Slow and direct stun with Stop. Plus it's still one of the more iconic jobs in the series.

I want another dual wielding job. NIN is really the only one we have right now.

I would prefer dual swords or dual axes (or, even better, a choice between the two and the animations are notably different based on which is being used).

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Originally Posted by Lambdafish

Not trying to shut down your ideas, rather create a design discussion, but what would being melee add to healer? Heals are already large and there's no real way that a melee healer could be designed without hampering it's usefulness

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Disciple of Kaine from Warhammer Online is one of the best examples of how it would work. Or rather, the concept of how the class was supposed to work.
In short, the more DPS you do, the more HPS you're producing. It would be a hybrid role.

Current Results

Total Votes: 1,014

1st. Chemist: 202 votes (20% of the votes)

2nd. Mystic Knight/Rune Fencer/Spellblade: 118 votes (12%)

3rd. Time Mage: 100 votes (10%)

4th. Necromancer: 81 votes (8%)

5th. Beastmaster: 79 votes (8%)

6th. Geomancer: 68 votes (7%)

7th. Puppetmaster: 44 votes (4%)

8th. Green Mage: 35 votes (3%)

9th. Sword Saint: 31 votes (3%)

10th. Judgemaster: 28 votes (3%)

11th. Viking: 25 votes (2%)

12th. Chocobo Knight: 19 votes (2%)

13th. Corsair: 18 votes (2%)

14th. Mystic/Oracle: 16 votes (2%)

15th. Arithmetician/Calculator: 15 votes (1%)

16th-17th. Hunter/Ranger/Sniper and Illusionist: 13 votes each (1% each)

18th. Psychic: 12 votes (1%)

19th-21st. Gunner/Fusilier, Morpher, and Sage: 11 votes each (1% each)

22nd-23rd. Cannoneer/Flintlock and Onion Knight/Memorist/Storyteller: 10 votes each (1%)

24th. Elementalist: 9 votes (1%)

25th-26th. Dragonkin and Mascot: 8 votes each (1%)

27th-28th. Juggler and Orator/Mediator: 6 votes each (1%)

29th. Pictomancer: 4 votes (<1%)

30th. Animist: 3 votes (<1%)

I would say BST is the most popular job not in the game due to the forum activity of threads involving BST. There is a BST thread on the General Discussion that is pretty damn hot, & still going strong. People are pretty much debating Limited vs Group, it shows that the interest is there. It was also a job mentioned before, as a limited possisblity. BST is perhaps the most polarizing game in the mmo series, for all the wrong reasons maybe..

For me it was a very hard choice between Geomancer and Chemist. Flipped a coin and went with Geomancer as a result.

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Originally Posted by Videra

What, no love for Corsair up in here?

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Unfortunately, given how much hate AST has gotten from the end game community on "RNG isn't best button" I highly doubt they'd implement a second "gambler" job who's main mechanic is rolling dice. It'd be fun and engaging for all of two expansions and then it would be gutted and all of its random mechanics would all be the same effect. No thanks.

Ooh I'd be very interested to see an Elementalist or Necromancer class! We could have the Necromancer wield a giant scythe!

VIKING! SKÅL!

Either beastmaster with 2 axes duel weilding, or puppetmaster with dolls as a weapon maybe rune knight

Sounds cool: Chemist, Hunter, Geomancer
Cool job name, but looks like another job already existing: Elementalist, Green Mage, Time Mage, Mystic Knight, Sage, Gunner
Yeah, maybe: Necromancer, Beastmaster
Hummmm… : Cannoneer, Corsair, Puppetmaster, Viking
Geez, no: Calculator, Animist, Chocobo Knight, Dragonkin, Illusionist, Morpher, Oracle, Orator, Sword Saint
Don’t know what to think about it: Onion Knight
WTF: Judgemaster, Juggler, Mascot, Pictomancer, Psychic

Beastmaster

Why wont people realize we already have "Viking"/ "Berserker" in the game?!?!?! Seriously Warrior has Holmgang & Berserk, two things Norse Warriors were famous for!

Seeing request for Berserker and Viking really makes me question others literacy...

Have some sense & originality people.

For me, at least as far as DOW jobs go, I'd rather get interesting new weapon types than specific jobs. Give me a whip sword like Seven from Type 0/Ivy from Soul Calibur for example. Similar to gunbreaker. Gunblade/gunbreaker wasn't really a 'job' in the traditional sense, and was more inspired by the limit breaks and animations of Squall and Seifer.

For DOM jobs that's a bit less important since the weapons don't tend to actually be used directly.

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Originally Posted by Alacran

Why wont people realize we already have "Viking"/ "Berserker" in the game?!?!?! Seriously Warrior has Holmgang & Berserk, two things Norse Warriors were famous for!

Seeing request for Berserker and Viking really makes me question others literacy...

Have some sense & originality people.

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I think the issue people have with the Warrior vs Viking thing is that Warrior isn't the true "Viking" just as Bard isn't a Ranger. Bard is a combination of a couple jobs, just as Warrior is. Unfortunately that isn't quite enough for some people, so here we are. We technically DO have Viking, but it's not...Viking enough I guess? Idk, I get it but I guess it seems petty to me.

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Originally Posted by Alacran

Why wont people realize we already have "Viking"/ "Berserker" in the game?!?!?! Seriously Warrior has Holmgang & Berserk, two things Norse Warriors were famous for!

Seeing request for Berserker and Viking really makes me question others literacy...

Have some sense & originality people.

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For starters, the attitude isn't necessary. Two, I'm aware that warrior is similar to Viking, but the major difference is that I want to have XIV's lore of Viking. Additionally, the Warrior aesthetic, while pleasing, isn't very viking like and we don't have any other sets that really set the look for it. If we got some sets of armor that looked like it would suit a viking, I'd probably be easily sated, appearance wise.

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Originally Posted by Arngrim_Greyashe

For starters, the attitude isn't necessary. Two, I'm aware that warrior is similar to Viking, but the major difference is that I want to have XIV's lore of Viking. Additionally, the Warrior aesthetic, while pleasing, isn't very viking like and we don't have any other sets that really set the look for it. If we got some sets of armor that looked like it would suit a viking, I'd probably be easily sated, appearance wise.

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Wants to play a Viking, "attitude" has them flustered... Ha!

Berseker/ Viking is redundant since Warrior is already a thing. Roegadyn even use Axes as the Danish Housecarl of old, there is so much lore to them that goes unnoticed, all the while people still clamor for even more redundancy...

Is it any wonder, why three of the four melee DPS are far eastern themed? Really, is some originality so difficult to come up with? It's like pulling teeth with some people...

We could Have an Engineer Tank with a Hammer, maybe Garlean based to play against Machinist, We could Have Mystic Knight as a Maiming DPS Class with a scythe and pet ala DRG in FFXI, we could think outside the box with an aggressive melee Healer with AOE regen based heals and shields built up via combo attacks, finally breaking the stigma of back line healing classes...

But no lets just throw more of what we already have out there...

I want a really big Cannon.

I would love to see real Spellblade but voted on Gunner, we really lack that theme. Before you say "what about Machinist" - Machinist is currently basically not related to a gun, especially after unlocking all heated shots. MCH is jumping around blasting heat and summoning machines, there is no gun in a gun wielding job. It could use a rework to combine Gunner and Machinist but i in case it's not happening we can always get new job.

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Originally Posted by Alacran

Wants to play a Viking, "attitude" has them flustered... Ha!

Berseker/ Viking is redundant since Warrior is already a thing. Roegadyn even use Axes as the Danish Housecarl of old, there is so much lore to them that goes unnoticed, all the while people still clamor for even more redundancy...

Is it any wonder, why three of the four melee DPS are far eastern themed? Really, is some originality so difficult to come up with? It's like pulling teeth with some people...

We could Have an Engineer Tank with a Hammer, maybe Garlean based to play against Machinist, We could Have Mystic Knight as a Maiming DPS Class with a scythe and pet ala DRG in FFXI, we could think outside the box with an aggressive melee Healer with AOE regen based heals and shields built up via combo attacks, finally breaking the stigma of back line healing classes...

But no lets just throw more of what we already have out there...

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Good to see you're a reasonable and kind person. Also, if you consider my response "flustered" you might need to look up the actual definition of the word. I hope your original ideas find their way into the game. :)

Morpher, because I recently created a thread about Monstrosity. Morpher will be the closest thing to that system.

Puppetmaster seems like the best choice to me. Plus, I couldn't help but think it might be possible if they just made the Minions you collect capable of acting in battle under a Puppeteer. It'd give the players who collect minions have more use out of them (whether as usable puppets or parts) and inspire more players to try and do content to collect them beyond Lord of Vermillion.

Bard/Minstrel

DPS: Green mage dps, field mage (placing plants/trees on the ground for magical damage).
Healer: Herbalist; uses witch couldron to concoct medicines. This is like chemist, but more proper for a fantasy rpg.

Dragonkin and Gunner are both up there for me. My one gripe with machinist is how they use their guns, I wish it had less flips and was more grounded, gunner would be a nice change imo

The edgelord in me wants to say Necromancer but Morpher just sounds so unique and potentially awesome.

Had to throw my vote in with Geomancer. Give us the umbral caster we deserve.

It will be a bit interesting if they gone a bit beyond just classic FF game Jobs.

For example, maybe Grandshelt Knight Job that is a Melee DPS so we can have LB3 be Crimson Nova

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Limit Break
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Originally Posted by CazzT

Disciple of Kaine from Warhammer Online is one of the best examples of how it would work. Or rather, the concept of how the class was supposed to work.
In short, the more DPS you do, the more HPS you're producing. It would be a hybrid role.

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Were sadly probably never going to see a Shaman / Archmage / Warpriest / DoK style healer in 14, because 14 has no idea how to handle any kind of hybrid role outside 1 or 2 buttons.

White Mage has the closest thing we'll get from those, with its lily -> blood lily conversion being part of the shaman/warpriest mechanic across a small number of spells.

I cant imagine what the potency of heals would have to be baseline for that mechanic to work as a global modifier.

"MY BIG HEAL IS ONLY 20 PERCENT EFFECTIVE UNTIL I HIT THE BOSS 4 MORE TIMES, DONT DIE!" works when your game isnt balanced around having to land those on demand, which can be back to back at times, or once every minute on others.

That and you'd have to waste time on healing gcd's to do anything above meager damage.

It would likely have worked better pre-revamp, but it's basically a ton of work to do what healers do as a baseline now.

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Originally Posted by Barraind

Were sadly probably never going to see a Shaman / Archmage / Warpriest / DoK style healer in 14, because 14 has no idea how to handle any kind of hybrid role outside 1 or 2 buttons.

White Mage has the closest thing we'll get from those, with its lily -> blood lily conversion being part of the shaman/warpriest mechanic across a small number of spells.

I cant imagine what the potency of heals would have to be baseline for that mechanic to work as a global modifier.

"MY BIG HEAL IS ONLY 20 PERCENT EFFECTIVE UNTIL I HIT THE BOSS 4 MORE TIMES, DONT DIE!" works when your game isnt balanced around having to land those on demand, which can be back to back at times, or once every minute on others.

That and you'd have to waste time on healing gcd's to do anything above meager damage.

It would likely have worked better pre-revamp, but it's basically a ton of work to do what healers do as a baseline now.

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Not to mention that the balance team seems to be stuck in a tug of war between simultaneously believing healers should only heal, whilst also making our heals so overpowered that actually DPSing is the only way for half of us to remain invested at this point. So having a healer that actually acknowledges the reality of the healer meta in the game and provides a satisfying DPS rotation is unlikely to ever happen. Not unless they actually hire some of the best healers in this game and actually sit down to discuss some hard hitting changes that need to be made to their design philosophy.

Ignoring things like "number of melee to ranged jobs" and the like...
I want another Maiming gear job. Preferably with some sort of weapon(s) which require a strong heavy swing. (not pokes, not precision cuts. Something that feels like a more typical warrior like DPS. ignoring that tanks are now just blue DPS) It could be a 2hander like hammers, maces, unique weapon, or even dual wielding 1 hand weapons. (or a weird combination of 2hand and 1 hand at the same time. w/e, doesnt matter) Currently the 4 melee we have, all "feel" like they are just very agile/dexterous/precise, and just dont look like the type that runs in swinging weapons. Something more aggressive feeling.

Thats the closest to realistic I could ask for.
But what Id want even more, SE would never make, since they are too set in their ways, and seem to only spend about an hour or less coming up with gameplay designs for new jobs. (Fine tuning it comes later, once they design is already decided.)

I'm honestly borderline pissed that we're in a game state where Time Mage, Mystic Knight, Spellblade, and the like are even reasonable choices. It just really seems to point out where the existing jobs (AST, DRK, RDM) have failed to utilize or have since gutted themes that were already given to them.

If I had to decide, though... Whatever fills out our Maiming and Scouting armor classes in ways distinct from the existing cast of jobs.

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Originally Posted by Barraind

Were sadly probably never going to see a Shaman / Archmage / Warpriest / DoK style healer in 14, because 14 has no idea how to handle any kind of hybrid role outside 1 or 2 buttons.

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Healer: Good, we can just give it ~15 mostly shared actions, some arbitrary oGCDs, 1-2 actions that play off the ones given earlier, and call it a day.
Tank: Great, we can give it ~15 mostly shared actions, 1-2 arbitrary oGCDs, and maybe give this one an oGCD DoT on a... short CD (I think we already used oGCD ST DoT on long CD and GCD DoT and AoE DoT on mid-GCD? -- oh, and combo DoT).
DPS: Damnit, are we actually going to have to at least try to make something unique here. I hate designing jobs. Let me just do roles.

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Originally Posted by Shurrikhan

I'm honestly borderline pissed that we're in a game state where Time Mage, Mystic Knight, Spellblade, and the like are even reasonable choices. It just really seems to point out where the existing jobs (AST, DRK, RDM) have failed to utilize or have since gutted themes that were already given to them.

If I had to decide, though... Whatever fills out our Maiming and Scouting armor classes in ways distinct from the existing cast of jobs.

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The desire for a Spell blade and Mystic Knight, in my opinion, is more due to the lack of a actual Magic Melee DPS Job.

DRK fills that Magic Melee Tank job because edgy darkness magic but we still lack a DPS job that is pure Magic Melee DPS.

Red Mage is just another Range Magic job that has some melee mechanics added that extends back into Range Magic again.

When it comes to DOW jobs at least, I'm more interested in seeing new and unique weapon types added than I am representing old jobs in particular.

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Originally Posted by EdwinLi

The desire for a Spell blade and Mystic Knight, in my opinion, is more due to the lack of a actual Magic Melee DPS Job.

DRK fills that Magic Melee Tank job because edgy darkness magic but we still lack a DPS job that is pure Magic Melee DPS.

Red Mage is just another Range Magic job that has some melee mechanics added that extends back into Range Magic again.

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That's kind of my point, though. Why did DRK do nothing interesting with its magic? The difference between "Dark Magic" and "Pure Magic" is nothing but the color of its explosions.

Likewise, why give a caster a sword and then make nothing but a glorified, more uptime-dependent (4-step) Foul out of it? Just feels like a failure to employ Chekhov's Gun.

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Originally Posted by Shurrikhan

That's kind of my point, though. Why did DRK do nothing interesting with its magic? The difference between "Dark Magic" and "Pure Magic" is nothing but the color of its explosions.

Likewise, why give a caster a sword and then make nothing but a glorified, more uptime-dependent (4-step) Foul out of it? Just feels like a failure to employ Chekhov's Gun.

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I believe the issue lies with the role DRK is given being a Tank.

Being a Tank the focus will be more on defense rather than offense. Usually the massive explosion stuff circles around a job that does DPS because it heavily emphasis on it showing heavy damage visually. As a Tank the visuals will be better fit into using Darkness to shroud the DRK for protection which can still be visually effective if they put visuals more into how Darkness protects through shrouding the Tank so it will not be visually explosive on attacks that does massive damage but more on the lighter animation for attacks to emphasis that they are more done to attract the attention of enemies rather than dealing massive damage on enemies. They still kill but not to a point the animations is explosive.


As for Red Mage, well I think it is more of the identity crisis of Red Mage being either Range or Melee compared to a Spellsword and Mystic Knight which are heavily focused on being melee Magic attackers or tanks compared to Red Mage that always struggle being both a Melee and Range Magic attacker in FF games. Not to mention most incarnations of Red Mage in FF series is that Range Magic is the main focus of attacking and double casting it while the melee aspect is secondary or never used.

You got both Range and Melee attacks but the job can only focus on one path as the main attack focus. If they go melee the player base will still just use all the range attacks for melee range because they will just build the energy to cast the Range magic then unload it in melee range. Then if they go Range as basic attack focus and Melee second we have what we have now being Range Attack then only go melee if we need to unload the 3 hit melee attacks.

By job identity design, a Spellsword and Mystic Knight will be better suited to be a Melee Range DPS Job anyways since they have a more linked identity to be more focused on Melee Magic attacks compared to Red Mage which most incarnations focus on just using Range Magic attackers and double casting them.