Cash shop pricing is getting a bit much...

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Originally Posted by Jijifli

We aren't saying make the mount $2. Note as well the mount is account wide, so it'd be expected to be higher in price.

The OUTFIT on the other hand costs only $6 less, and is for 1 character. That's where people are getting iffy. What people are saying is either make the price lower, since honestly an outfit for 1 character shouldn't cost more than 1 month of sub, or make it account wide, so all the characters get to see it.

Easily, they could have had two versions. $9 for a single character, $18 for account wide, and the sales would arguably be higher. Anyone who had an alt would be more likely to buy the $18 one where they might not have in the first place at single character limits.

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Considering how insanely popular the Eastern Togi was, they really have little incentive to lower prices. Bear in mind, it remained the most popular item on the Mogstation for months, beating even Fantasias. I hazard a guess they would make decidedly less selling it half off for a single character or at its current price for an account wide version. Hence why they don't.

Furthermore, these Chinese Exclusives are handled by a third party company who likely also has influence on pricing given how the Chinese market operates. Personally, I'm only interested in the mount, though I may wait for a sale.

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Originally Posted by Bourne_Endeavor

Considering how insanely popular the Eastern Togi was, they really have little incentive to lower prices. Bear in mind, it remained the most popular item on the Mogstation for months, beating even Fantasias. I hazard a guess they would make decidedly less selling it half off for a single character or at its current price for an account wide version. Hence why they don't.

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Sadly, that was the first item to have the price tag. It was also the first item to have this exp bonus that most people aren't going to use.

I did still say they could make the gear account wide. I'd be buying these if I could have them on more than 1 character.

You are delusional if you believed regional exclusive items developed by S/E's third party contractor should be free.
It is question of how you get it.
Bound to stupid promotion with Amazon or simply put on mogstation.
I prefers later since mogstation do have promotion sale.
Last time when Eastern Togi bound to Amazon, i bought Witcher 3 that I still haven't unseal the cover

Idiots will buy anything, even if they price smaller items at $100 or more. It ruins things for everyone else because SE keeps going further and further to see how much they can squeeze out of whales, to the point where any normal person can't afford it anymore.
So yeah, just add it to the stuff reasonable people can't have anymore due to idiots and greed.

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Originally Posted by Wilford111

Idiots will buy anything, even if they price smaller items at $100 or more. It ruins things for everyone else because SE keeps going further and further to see how much they can squeeze out of whales, to the point where any normal person can't afford it anymore.
So yeah, just add it to the stuff reasonable people can't have anymore due to idiots and greed.

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Why can't reasonable people have this stuff?

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Originally Posted by Wilford111

Idiots will buy anything, even if they price smaller items at $100 or more. It ruins things for everyone else because SE keeps going further and further to see how much they can squeeze out of whales, to the point where any normal person can't afford it anymore.
So yeah, just add it to the stuff reasonable people can't have anymore due to idiots and greed.

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Uuum 'reasonable people' can have it too if they choose to.
If they do choose to buy it, that doesn't make them an idiot. =_=

If you're willing to wait for the prices to drop that's fine, well, and good, but don't belittle others because they decided to get it before you do.

They could make literarly a 1000 €/$ mount that is super awesome, couldnt care less about cosmetics.

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Originally Posted by Jijifli

Sadly, that was the first item to have the price tag. It was also the first item to have this exp bonus that most people aren't going to use.

I did still say they could make the gear account wide. I'd be buying these if I could have them on more than 1 character.

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Oh, I would love for them to be account wide. I just cannot see them doing it since it's clearly selling.

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Originally Posted by Wilford111

Idiots will buy anything, even if they price smaller items at $100 or more. It ruins things for everyone else because SE keeps going further and further to see how much they can squeeze out of whales, to the point where any normal person can't afford it anymore.
So yeah, just add it to the stuff reasonable people can't have anymore due to idiots and greed.

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Because some people have more disposable income than you and choose to spend it on luxury things they enjoy, that somehow makes them unreasonable and stupid? Criticism is one thing, but now we're stepping over the line. It also seems as though you are making the incorrect assumption these items would all be in the game for free if "idiots stopped buying things!" If no one bought these Micro-transaction, they just wouldn't make the items to begin with.

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Originally Posted by Wilford111

So yeah, just add it to the stuff reasonable people can't have anymore due to idiots and greed.

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It's called budgeting, and waiting for a sale. Those items aren't going anywhere anytime soon, they aren't a limited time offer. It would be ideal if items were added in game(hell, even throw out a mini-event that lasts a weekend), but SE is a business, and will do what a business does best - make money.

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Originally Posted by Wilford111

Idiots will buy anything, even if they price smaller items at $100 or more. It ruins things for everyone else because SE keeps going further and further to see how much they can squeeze out of whales, to the point where any normal person can't afford it anymore.
So yeah, just add it to the stuff reasonable people can't have anymore due to idiots and greed.

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Which cash shop item costs $100? Most expensive item on there is a 5-pack of Fantasia ($45 USD).

None of these prices are anything new. People act like $18 USD for an exclusive outfit or $24 USD for an account-wide mount is some new kind of inflation on SE's part, but those prices have been a thing since the Far Eastern outfits (September 2016) and Slepnir (Fall 2014).

People seem to forget these items (Chinese and Korean exclusives) were not free in their respective countries. To ask for them for free is probably one of the many definitions of entitlement. I won't argue that the prices couldn't stand to maybe be a little lower, but gross exaggerations of how "any normal person" can't afford them are, well, exaggerations; and exaggerations will not help your argument (among other things, such as calling people "idiots" or "whales").

If you cannot afford an $18 USD item for a one-time purchase, how are you affording a recurring monthly subscription, which isn't that far off for even the cheapest price ($13 USD for Entry)?

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Originally Posted by Divinemights

You are delusional if you believed regional exclusive items developed by S/E's third party contractor should be free.

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Wasnt it more like the distributor of FF14 in china wanted something to sell but it was still SE that created it? I kinda remember a discussion where someone posted a picture of a chinese exclusive mount that was created by SE. So it still seems that SE creates everything for them but the game itself is sold under a different name. So they are kinda already in SEs hand and used SEs time to create them.

I am fine with these items landing in the shop because we would probably not get them. But I am still very much against the whole pricing of the cash shop (and have been for a time) and I am still quite angry at them selling both carfuncles in the cash shop instead of at least giving one color to us ingame.

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Originally Posted by RiyahArp

I'm not sure why a bundle of optional items should cost more than a finished, retail AAA game.

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I've been against this practice for years. I dont agree with it and try my best not to support it, whatever the game may be.

I'm never going to buy anything they add to that store, even if I did want it. I would rather give DE money in Warframe, at least they aren't trying to staddle the fence even if their game is as hilariously buggy as it is.

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Originally Posted by Remyogic

Call me surprised. A grand total of 1.8% of the total items in the game. You are so right.......the Mog Station is OVERWHELMING! How can anyone EVER play the game without touching the MOG Station, 1.8% is CLEARLY an integral part of the game!!!!

If you want to sight WoW, be sure to qualify that WoW doesn't cash-shop many of it's items as it RMT's it's in-game currency. Which is it's number 1 cash generator.

Mog Station doesn't have that.

Say again?

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Maybe you end up with 1.8% if you ignore that most of the things added each patch are recolors between jobs. It's easily closer to 10% or more.

The WoW token is inconsequential to this, it's not causing things to be locked behind even more money than the sub. I would rather have something like it than the disproportionate amount of items in SE's store in a P2P.

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Originally Posted by Sigma-Astra

Honestly, is it anyone's business to tell others how to spend their own money on their own entertainment? The pricing for mounts and outfits hasn't really changed since the first inception of outfits and mounts becoming a thing on the Mogstation, I believe.

It's not really worth worrying over about what other people do with their money and giving yourself an ulcer, it's none of other people's business frankly.

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That doesn't work when runaway habits effect everyone else playing the game because the bean counters now want to cater to those habits. Numerous threads begging for more things to be added to the mog station instead of in-game where most of it should be. Constant downplaying of how bad it actually is.

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Originally Posted by Divinemights

You are delusional if you believed regional exclusive items developed by S/E's third party contractor should be free.
It is question of how you get it.
Bound to stupid promotion with Amazon or simply put on mogstation.
I prefers later since mogstation do have promotion sale.
Last time when Eastern Togi bound to Amazon, i bought Witcher 3 that I still haven't unseal the cover

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What is free in a game that you can't play without paying its subscription? Tell me.

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Originally Posted by Alleo

I am fine with these items landing in the shop because we would probably not get them. But I am still very much against the whole pricing of the cash shop (and have been for a time) and I am still quite angry at them selling both carfuncles in the cash shop instead of at least giving one color to us ingame.

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This is involving with the licencing and depends on how their contract works with S/E.
If contractor paid S/E for exclusive items in their region, S/E can not release else where.

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Originally Posted by Tiraelina

What is free in a game that you can't play without paying its subscription? Tell me.

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Let's say you are S/E and I am the contractor who paid you to create an exclusive item for my region only.
I am going to to sue hell out of you if you release this item in other region without paying me back first.
You need to project the cost with number potential player will be attract by this exclusive item.
How big is China's potential gaming market?
We already got the answer from PUTG.

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Originally Posted by Divinemights

Let's say you are S/E and I am the contractor who paid you to create an exclusive item for my region only.
I am going to to sue hell out of you if you release this item in other region without paying me back first.
You need to project the cost with number potential player will be attract by this exclusive item.
How big is China's potential gaming market?
We already got the answer from PUTG.

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There's no contractor making them doing this, it was entirely SE.

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Originally Posted by Tiraelina

\Maybe you end up with 1.8% if you ignore that most of the things added each patch are recolors between jobs. It's easily closer to 10% or more.

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You're delusional.

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Originally Posted by Tiraelina

There's no contractor making them doing this, it was entirely SE.

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http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...to-Mog-Station

FF14 China is contracted by Shanda Interactive Entertainment, a 6 billion revenue Chinese gaming publisher based at Shanhai.
I am not interesting in debate with you, please refers to link above.
Stop it before it happens is way more constructive than pointless after fact ranting
This is nevertheless another request by this own forum community because they want Nerzhua so much

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Originally Posted by Alleo

Wasnt it more like the distributor of FF14 in china wanted something to sell but it was still SE that created it? I kinda remember a discussion where someone posted a picture of a chinese exclusive mount that was created by SE. So it still seems that SE creates everything for them but the game itself is sold under a different name. So they are kinda already in SEs hand and used SEs time to create them.

I am fine with these items landing in the shop because we would probably not get them. But I am still very much against the whole pricing of the cash shop (and have been for a time) and I am still quite angry at them selling both carfuncles in the cash shop instead of at least giving one color to us ingame.

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Correct. I'm not sure where the misinformation stating that these items are outsourced began. Despite being available in Korea and China first, the items are still designed by SE.

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Originally Posted by TheGrimace

Correct. I'm not sure where the misinformation stating that these items are outsourced began. Despite being available in Korea and China first, the items are still designed by SE.

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You are talking to divinemights though, who will say anything to make SE look better no matter the issue at hand.

They are overpriced, no matter how you spin it, 1 chr should be in the range of 5-10 dollars while account wide is in the range of 12-15 dollars.

SE will get enough money making extra items like this with the extra sales.. it is digital, they do not have overstock or shortages, come on now.

Such as:

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Originally Posted by Divinemights

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...to-Mog-Station

Please chock it before it became reality.
I post against it on Monday before they officially release Nerzhua today.
It is way better off than you over-exaggerating after fact complains.
Please do launch your classica V-star ranting to prevent Angelwings on mogstation, you still have few days to post

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See what I mean? this link holds no value in what was being said. I was refuting the idea SE needs to charge a lot because it is china SE but it is still SE? This is what happens when you run into someone that can't prove anything (and often mistaken on facts like how they try to claim to be a know it all in US politics when they do not even know the difference of a republican, and a republic.) They only act to know things.

I was told they were created because, given the way their beliefs and/or governmental controlled views work such as gambling is apparently seen as bad so they don't get Gold Saucer, that since they're not going to get all the content that we get, they get region exclusive items to make up for it or something. I can't remember exactly how it was said. I'm guessing that was not the case?

Preface: Personal opinion of someone anti-cash shop.

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Originally Posted by RiyahArp

The price is getting high enough where it's hard to justify this.

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If you've ever justified any of the cash shop, you shouldn't be complaining about this. I, and plenty others, considered everything in the cash shop to be too high to justify. We were told "It's optional, you don't need it." This argument can be applied to anything in the cash shop. $1 was out of our price range of justifiable and we were told to deal with it. You should do the same.

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Originally Posted by Vstarstruck

SE will get enough money making extra items like this with the extra sales.. it is digital, they do not have overstock or shortages, come on now.

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http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...to-Mog-Station

Please chock it before it becomes a reality.
I post against it on Monday before they officially release Nerzhua today.
It is way better off than over-exaggerating after fact complains.
Please do launch your classic thread to prevent Angelwings on mogstation, you still have few days to post
You will have my 100% support.
Yes, that is right, I do not want to see another regional exclusive items to be port to NA and EU.
They should stay at Korea and China.

I actually refuse to buy any of that stuff simply out of my stubbornness. As much as I want those pretty glams....I absolutely refuse to spend a game's worth of money on an outfit and a mount. That pricing is ABSURD. Everything could cost literally half the price and it would still be a bit high. It's absolutely insane. You have to be mental to justify it. I understand the value of a dollar and on top of my monthly sub I am not letting them suck my wallet dry on stuff that 10 years ago would've been in game. Ridiculous.

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Originally Posted by MomomiMomi

Preface: Personal opinion of someone anti-cash shop.



If you've ever justified any of the cash shop, you shouldn't be complaining about this. I, and plenty others, considered everything in the cash shop to be too high to justify. We were told "It's optional, you don't need it." This argument can be applied to anything in the cash shop. $1 was out of our price range of justifiable and we were told to deal with it. You should do the same.

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You're telling people to roll over and pay 24 dollars for a mount that's just fire wheels on your feet? Grow a back bone. This is a paid monthly game. Its not free to play. If it were free to play it'd make more sense for these prices. I buy the game and pay monthly for it. 18 dollars is not worth the price. We make them money and we are actually being reasonable about it. If you dont feel the same thats completely fine but dont tell someone to suck it up. Consumers are allowed to voice distaste in pricing for increase cash shop prices.

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Originally Posted by SoothingBell

You're telling people to roll over and pay 24 dollars for a mount that's just fire wheels on your feet?

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No, I'm telling them they don't have to buy it. The same way I was told I don't need something that costs $1 when I initially spoke out against the cash shop.

If they aren't willing to pay the price, they aren't the target demographic.

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Originally Posted by MomomiMomi

If you've ever justified any of the cash shop, you shouldn't be complaining about this. I, and plenty others, considered everything in the cash shop to be too high to justify. We were told "It's optional, you don't need it." This argument can be applied to anything in the cash shop. $1 was out of our price range of justifiable and we were told to deal with it. You should do the same.

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This is disingenuous. You can criticise the price of something without being against the practice itself. I, personally, find movie theaters grossly overpriced, thus I don't go often. I still like them though. In that same sense, I have no issue with the Cash Shop as a concept. That doesn't mean I agree with everything it does or the prices set.

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Originally Posted by Emstidor

You're delusional.

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According to XIVDB: 20,416 Items.

Breaking it down:

11790 Wearable items

10989 Wearable items excluding the waist slot
1306 Housing items
282 Minions
246 Orchestrion Rolls
126 Dyes
119 Mounts
53 Barding

Those wearable items include things like relic upgrades that don't change appearance at all.

We're still at 12,550 in total. It's also still including every individual item that things on the mog shop break down into.

There's 368 listings on the mog station.

How much more do you want to break this down? It's only going to make the cash shop look bigger.

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Originally Posted by Bourne_Endeavor

This is disingenuous. You can criticise the price of something without being against the practice itself. I, personally, find movie theaters grossly overpriced, thus I don't go often. I still like them though. In that same sense, I have no issue with the Cash Shop as a concept. That doesn't mean I agree with everything it does or the prices set.

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The people who were against the practice were against the price. We were told to deal with it, we aren't the target, if you aren't willing to pay the price, you don't have to because you don't need it.

These are their words. Now they have to eat them.

Oh this was a special regional thing they're bringing over from a different version of ff14?

Hmm, suddenly I don't feel as annoyed that it's on the cash shop. Not sure why, but it doesn't feel as bad, like it really was extra to our version of the game.

I'd still prefer if cash shop prices, in general, were cheaper though. I can afford it, and I do want some of those items, but at that price (because of the sub) it's just a matter of principle.
Though I suppose it's still cheaper than some other hobbies that exist out there.

It's ridiculous that people thinking feeling entitled is wrong. I absolutely feel entitled to a product if I'm paying for it.

Here's a hypothetical: say you went to the store and paid a dollar for a candy bar. Then the cashier took it, cut off 10%, and asked you to pay another dollar for it. Would you be okay with that?

What infuriates me the most is when people openly support this, and say I'm the unreasonable one for complaining.

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Originally Posted by Jijifli

Mounts technically got improved because they USED to be single character, back when there was only 1 mount.

Outfits originally though used to be $8-$12. When the chinese stuff came over, they stuck an exp bonus on it and made it $18, and that's been the norm since. So while Mounts at least became account wide, outfits went up in price and still are single character.

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Aha, thanks for the clarification! I wasn't entirely sure, so thank you.

The problem as some ppl have said is that those gears are not of SE property and as such cannot be given for free because there are some licenses involved.
If that's true or not that I cannot say, I would settle for ppl not asking for more items in the cash shop

But despite my last post, I'm actually fine with a mogshop existing; as long as it has stuff like timed exclusive items that were in the game, but not anymore. I own up to the fact that I missed some event items, and I'm okay with there at least being an option to get it rather than not.

What I'm not okay with, is creating items that are mogshop exclusive right from the start. I'm paying for them already with my sub, but they're gating it off with more real money? That is unjustifiable.

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Originally Posted by Wilford111

Here's a hypothetical: say you went to the store and paid a dollar for a candy bar. Then the cashier took it, cut off 10%, and asked you to pay another dollar for it. Would you be okay with that?

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That's not the case here at all. For starters, you paid to even enter the store (monthly subscription). But! there's a bunch of candy you can eat, all under the price of admission. The question is why do those candy cost more and why do they keep raising the prices and giving you less candies per bag (bonus codes shipped with physical items becoming single chara vs. account wide). I agree with whoever said that had these items not made it to the Mog shop, they wouldn't have been made accessible at all, so it's not a question of how we would've gotten them, it's Mog shop or bust. That said, the mog shop is debatable.

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Originally Posted by Wilford111

It's ridiculous that people thinking feeling entitled is wrong. I absolutely feel entitled to a product if I'm paying for it.

Here's a hypothetical: say you went to the store and paid a dollar for a candy bar. Then the cashier took it, cut off 10%, and asked you to pay another dollar for it. Would you be okay with that?

What infuriates me the most is when people openly support this, and say I'm the unreasonable one for complaining.

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Asking for an item for free that was produced specifically for another country (in the case of the Nezha items, China—keep in mind that the Chinese servers are run by a different company than SE, and are entirely separate from JP/NA/EU; they even use a different subscription model) in which that audience had to pay for, and that would have never been made available here if players had not asked for it to be, is being entitled. They paid for the product in addition to paying for access to FFXIV China’s servers; why should you get it for free?

Your example is a poor. Did SE somehow take away 10% of your subscription period and try to force you to pay $15 again to get it that 10% back? Are they forcing you to buy optional items for $10/$18/$24 USD? Are such items necessary to your progress in the game?

You’re being called unreasonable for wanting items others had to pay for, for free, and for claiming that “the average person” cannot afford a $10/$18/$24 one-time purchase, but can somehow manage just fine paying $13/$15/potentially more if they have additional retainers a month for a subscription. You know, aside from calling people “idiots”—most posts seem to be calling you out on that more than anything else. Try not to name-call, and maybe people will be less inclined to call you out next time.

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Originally Posted by Tiraelina

There's no contractor making them doing this, it was entirely SE.

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These items are contracted out from the companies that run the Chinese and Korean servers for FFXIV specifically for their cash shops—cash shops are actually very popular when it comes to these regions. They are requested by this host company, and SE produces them for them.

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Originally Posted by Vstarstruck

See what I mean? this link holds no value in what was being said. I was refuting the idea SE needs to charge a lot because it is china SE but it is still SE? This is what happens when you run into someone that can't prove anything (and often mistaken on facts like how they try to claim to be a know it all in US politics when they do not even know the difference of a republican, and a republic.) They only act to know things.

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FFXIV belongs to SE, but the company that hosts FFXIV on Chinese and Korean servers is a third-party. The Chinese version of FFXIV is actually different from the version that we play (e.g., the story is different because Chinese censorship); it even runs on a completely different model than ours. We pay a monthly subscription, but they pay a “pay as you play” subscription, meaning they pay a fee for the time they’re actively in-game, not just 1 lump sum of $13/$15 a month.

These outfits are commissions by this third party company that host these servers, designed specifically for the Chinese/Korean cash shops (which, there is far less animosity towards in those countries, as cash shops are very common in their MMOs from what I understand, and the practice is not frowned upon). While they are designed by SE, they are still commissioned products of a different company.

I'm not fine with the shop, I think past events items should've been added to events vendor each time. As for this set and all the chinese imported ones, they should've stayed in their respective server with all due respect.

While I can give a pass for mounts since wow has opened the flood gates, emotes are something I consider bleh, though I'm conflicetd because from one hand I can see that some are simply basic animations ripped and made an emote out of it, from another hand those are essentially ripping access to existing, already used animation and sold to the masses

I'm not scandalized by the shop simply because as said wow set the precedent I don't think there's a sub mmo without a shop

That said haven't spent a dime on it and I'll continue on that way, my stingyness is useful in some places

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Originally Posted by HyoMinPark

Asking for an item for free that was produced specifically for another country (in the case of the Nezha items, China—keep in mind that the Chinese servers are run by a different company than SE, and are entirely separate from JP/NA/EU; they even use a different subscription model) in which that audience had to pay for, and that would have never been made available here if players had not asked for it to be, is being entitled. They paid for the product in addition to paying for access to FFXIV China’s servers; why should you get it for free?

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It doesn't help that this isn't widespread knowledge.
I didn't even realize this (and it is helping me accept the cash shop's existence for this specific set for the same reasons you mentioned. If a different entity from SE has a stake in these, of course they won't be included in the sub).
I do wonder though, how many cash shop exclusives (exclusive as in: not from a past event) are because of this reason? Is it the majority of it? Or just some of them?

I apologize for name calling, but it's honestly how I feel about those people. And btw, I stand by my hypothetical. I'm paying for my time in this wonderful world they've created, but they're taking some of that world and gating it off behind a paywall.

Again, I'm not asking for these items "for free". I'm asking for them because they've already been paid for. With sub money.

No one has successfully called me out on being unreasonable, as far as I'm concerned. Perhaps I should have explained my points better.

As far as the regional items being brought over, I'm okay with these being mogshop items as well, as long as they aren't overpriced.