Patch 4.2

*sits on his porch* Mmmm yes. More housing salt. Mmmmm *pets his fat cat manically*

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Originally Posted by Siniztor

And if they wanna save money how about they cut there promotion budget lol painting a buliding for storm blood release paying $100,000's was kinda a waste for what 2 days or 3

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Holy off topic batman. But I hate to break it to you they triple that on remote live views as well. Some people buy to just not miss a minion or rare clothing item that may never show up in a cash shop again.

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Originally Posted by Siniztor

They all ready do that. Its called the Account option #2 where you can have up to 8 Characters as opposed to account option #1 where you are only allowed 1 Character.....

BTW wow Sims online that gave me flash backs lol. i opened so many kennels getting them rare cats n dogs to sell lol

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You didn't read my post properly, I was talking about adding a new option for buying additional house plots, not the already existing purchase extra retainer option. I only referred to it in that context as to make additional house plots a scarce resource like they already did with retainers.

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Originally Posted by geekgirl101

You didn't read my post properly, I was talking about adding a new option for buying additional house plots, not the already existing purchase extra retainer option. I only referred to it in that context as to make additional house plots a scarce resource like they already did with retainers.

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Oh i read it. I was just saying in order to own more then 1 house you all ready have to pay extra..If you have the basic account you can only own 1 house, cause you only get 1 character. you have to pay extra to have 8 characters in order to own more houses.

The main problem is the supply. people really should get off this so n so owns more then 1 and get on the WTF SE you have 7500 active players on a server and only 2,880 houses thats not even counting Fcs, (keep in mind your active character counts count all 8 of my characters). SE needs to "Man Up" and realse a crap ton more houses no more excuses they have the money.

Seems to me the flippers should be getting alot more hate then the rp people who own multi houses. Flippers are easy to kill make a annoucment stated in 4.2 houses once the land is released will go on a random timer between 1-7 days before the land is put back on the market......watch the house flippers lose there mind and the reddit post happen in tons with prices droping every day till patch.....Like ive been saying if flippers can not guarantee the seller would get the house..No one would buy from them....

House flippers are the only tip of the iceberg as far as housing issues go.

On every housing release, you've also had people using bots and/or even warp hacks to secure a house, often multiple (Thanks to multi-boxing).

I can only dream they'll do something to curb the rampant cheating before 4.2 drops.

Customizable Inn Rooms Client side would have solved a lot of issues. Most players just want a place to 'come back to'. To hit a bed, hit sleep and be logged off and log in the same place (as opposed to being booted out into the main section of Apartments) It'd be really nice if people had that sort of option.

Of course, people would still want Apartments/housing to share with their friends Server-Side, but the option of being able to decorate an inn room however you desire client-side would solve most of these issues without even impacting any server stability.

Adding rent would really do nothing to help the housing issues in the game. If anything, it would just screw over people that already blew their money on getting a house in the 1st place and would more than likely destroy the housing market as a whole, since personal houses are almost entirely just vanity items with very minor uses, all of which can be gotten within any capital city.

FC houses, while in theory could pay for their houses with contributions from everyone, would realistically fall apart as people would argue about contributions towards the house, which outside of the workshop, are again just a vanity item.

In the end, housing becomes locked off for everyone that DOESN'T use gil sellers as it just becomes not worth owning a house due to the cost alone.

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Originally Posted by Silver-Strider

In the end, housing becomes locked off for everyone that DOESN'T use gil sellers as it just becomes not worth owning a house due to the cost alone.

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Im on the fence about tax/rent for houses... But this statement is complete BS. All you need to do is craft or gather and you can make gil super easy.. the 320 hq gear is so easy to make this round im over 500mil since sept maybe aug and by over way over. As long as you put in the work and keep stocked retainers selling gil is super easy to make no need to use gil sellers at all

Not to mention most end game gathering items are over 1k each takes 15 mins to get a stack of 99..... Add in the gathering books for leg spawns and sands you can make gil easy in either crafting of gathering

I'm really curious about what is planned for 4.2 housing. I have a small house but have been thinking about relinquishing the plot. I used to have a few very social free company neighbours but they have since moved to shirogane and it now just seems very empty for me. with the new fake windows ive managed to make a pretty nice apartment in lilly hills and probably spend more time there now. I hope they change the rules of relinquishing land as I dont want to wait 45 days to get some of the gil I put into my house back.

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Originally Posted by K1tt

I'm really curious about what is planned for 4.2 housing. I have a small house but have been thinking about relinquishing the plot. I used to have a few very social free company neighbours but they have since moved to shirogane and it now just seems very empty for me. with the new fake windows ive managed to make a pretty nice apartment in lilly hills and probably spend more time there now. I hope they change the rules of relinquishing land as I dont want to wait 45 days to get some of the gil I put into my house back.

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They do need to change some thing when letting a land go..cause right now there is no 45 day timer its shut off till they decide to turn it back on

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Originally Posted by Siniztor

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This is entirely server based and some servers have it easier than others. On my server at least, the marketing is horrible. Trying to sell anything is such a hassle since everyone will just undercut you to a point that you're literally selling things just slightly above vendor value for some items. I put a stack of Rhea for 1,250 gil a few days ago (Which was just 50 gil below the average) I go check it today, it's now dropped to below 700 gil. The crafted 320 gear for Disciples of War/Magic on my server has literally not sold for the past 2 months, barring tank accessories.

That isn't to say that it isn't possible to play Shopping Wars but again, it's not exactly the same between servers.

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Originally Posted by Siniztor

The main problem is the supply. people really should get off this so n so owns more then 1 and get on the WTF SE you have 7500 active players on a server and only 2,880 houses thats not even counting Fcs, (keep in mind your active character counts count all 8 of my characters). SE needs to "Man Up" and realse a crap ton more houses no more excuses they have the money.

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Yet the way the system is currently set up and the figure you gave as an example would mean, SE would need to have 60,000 houses to make sure that each player can own 8 houses.

To me this is a crazy and a broken system I mean Bismark has what 12k playerbase? that's 96k houses needed and that's just for each person to have 1 house, if we start adding in that each person can have 1 fc house and 1 personal, we are now talking 120,000 houses by your example and 192k for Bismark. Yet you cant see that this system is broken.....

The system needs changing so that each player can have 1 house and 1 FC house per account that can be shared by all alts. Oh and BTW this is coming from someone with 1 account and 3 alts.

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Originally Posted by Silver-Strider

This is entirely server based and some servers have it easier than others. On my server at least, the marketing is horrible. Trying to sell anything is such a hassle since everyone will just undercut you to a point that you're literally selling things just slightly above vendor value for some items. I put a stack of Rhea for 1,250 gil a few days ago (Which was just 50 gil below the average) I go check it today, it's now dropped to below 700 gil. The crafted 320 gear for Disciples of War/Magic on my server has literally not sold for the past 2 months, barring tank accessories.

That isn't to say that it isn't possible to play Shopping Wars but again, it's not exactly the same between servers.

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While 320 gear isnt selling as much anymore Rhea is still used in i325 crafter gear so you could craft the Rhea cloths

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Originally Posted by Masekase_Hurricane

The system needs changing so that each player can have 1 house and 1 FC house per account that can be shared by all alts. Oh and BTW this is coming from someone with 1 account and 3 alts.

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Nothing going to happen to current system. Let's face it they not going to make a groundbreaking tableflip on the house system.
I'll still have my 3 houses (FC+2 personal on alt and main).

Even if they did change it they would to reconpensate us who own more than 1 house and who judge how much time and money i've spend to decorate them

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Originally Posted by Rinuko

Even if they did change it they would to reconpensate us who own more than 1 house and who judge how much time and money i've spend to decorate them

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They would likely give you gil and let you keep the furnishings, just as if the houses had been demoed. Would it be unpopular, sure, just like the timer. But it is an easy way to make the houses they have cover more accounts. That's why it is likely something we will see happen. A bandaid, not a cure.

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Originally Posted by Masekase_Hurricane

To me this is a crazy and a broken system I mean Bismark has what 12k playerbase? that's 96k houses needed and that's just for each person to have 1 house, if we start adding in that each person can have 1 fc house and 1 personal, we are now talking 120,000 houses by your example and 192k for Bismark. Yet you cant see that this system is broken.....

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If they used an instanced housing system, this wouldn't be an issue at all.

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Originally Posted by Silver-Strider

This is entirely server based and some servers have it easier than others. On my server at least, the marketing is horrible. Trying to sell anything is such a hassle since everyone will just undercut you to a point that you're literally selling things just slightly above vendor value for some items. I put a stack of Rhea for 1,250 gil a few days ago (Which was just 50 gil below the average) I go check it today, it's now dropped to below 700 gil. The crafted 320 gear for Disciples of War/Magic on my server has literally not sold for the past 2 months, barring tank accessories.

That isn't to say that it isn't possible to play Shopping Wars but again, it's not exactly the same between servers

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Wile i agree it is server base..
I gotta call BS on the bold part im Literally standing on Famfrit now looking at the MB. and your server is selling for more then mine lol If your a crafter you might wanna get back into 320 since HQ smn books 900k (5 sold for)580k+ (9 sold 4) since the 1st gld sword 20+ since the 1st. many many other items chest hats all kinds of classes..

Have you checked your vendors lol since the last stack of rhea sold yesterday at 1,149 gil and your current price is about 2500 a stack lol (2 items below 2500 the rest above) i cant tell when it was under 700 gil cause it all sold out at 800+ gil 2 days ago sales history only goes like 20 sales lol

I had to check since you said literally nothing is selling i couldnt belive i was making 2mil-5mil a day off it and nothing seliing on yours but rings.

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Originally Posted by Masekase_Hurricane

Yet the way the system is currently set up and the figure you gave as an example would mean, SE would need to have 60,000 houses to make sure that each player can own 8 houses.

To me this is a crazy and a broken system I mean Bismark has what 12k playerbase? that's 96k houses needed and that's just for each person to have 1 house, if we start adding in that each person can have 1 fc house and 1 personal, we are now talking 120,000 houses by your example and 192k for Bismark. Yet you cant see that this system is broken.....

The system needs changing so that each player can have 1 house and 1 FC house per account that can be shared by all alts. Oh and BTW this is coming from someone with 1 account and 3 alts.

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yup its the system they went with..they should have to supply the amount of houses needed. oh and you cant go off your theres 12k players on a server cause all the census count logins meaning your 12k counts alts to so your counting them twice in your math problem. If they wanna change there system so be it ill follow the rules as ive stated many times.

But i also stick with its wrong to punish people who followed your rules for years just because now that you have moved people all over its not fair to them. Robbing peter to pay paul is never a good option..Se needs to man up and buy more servers if there gonna keep this ward stuff going or do as many many many people have suggested and do wards/instances

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Originally Posted by Siniztor

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So the price went up again on Rhea since I posted. As you said, the prices were at 800+ not that long ago and crafted gear, while more expensive on Famfrit, doesn't necessarily mean profit either as they do sell at a snails pace and mats aren't cheap either.

I'm not saying it's impossible to make money here but it requires a bit more effort that I just don't see many people going that extra mile JUST to maintain some hypothetical rent cost for housing.

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Originally Posted by Silver-Strider

So the price went up again on Rhea since I posted. As you said, the prices were at 800+ not that long ago and crafted gear, while more expensive on Famfrit, doesn't necessarily mean profit either as they do sell at a snails pace and mats aren't cheap either.

I'm not saying it's impossible to make money here but it requires a bit more effort that I just don't see many people going that extra mile JUST to maintain some hypothetical rent cost for housing.

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Like i siad i found it odd you said "The crafted 320 gear for Disciples of War/Magic on my server has literally not sold for the past 2 months" and i was making 2-5 mil off it daily. and by the looks of your mb id be making a ton more since i gather all my mats including sands. If you had just said it wasnt selling fast or any thing i wouldn't of thought much about it but u made a point of saying it literally hasn't sold in 2 months so i wanted to see and well your server has a better market then mine forsure .

As for profitable unless your a half way crafter all the ones i know gather 90% of what they need making there profit worth the time

And the whole point was if you put in time you can make money for rent.....

No to paying rent. I game to get away from stuff like that.

One private house and one FC house per account, shared between alts and with multi-house owners being grandfathered in, I could get behind. However, it won't solve the underlying issue which is supply. It would help a little, but the fact is there still wouldn't be enough houses to go round.

On a side note, I think all those proposing punitive measures for house owners: monthly rent, decorations must be changed regularly, up to a certain standard etc. are going to be very sorry if all that stuff is implemented and they finally get a house (fortunately, I think the devs have more sense). Taking houses away from existing owners or making keeping a house an expensive chore might ease some people's resentment in the short-term but it's not going to solve anything.

Lot of people talk about grandfather, what does this actually mean?

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Originally Posted by Siniztor

Like i siad i found it odd you said "The crafted 320 gear for Disciples of War/Magic on my server has literally not sold for the past 2 months" and i was making 2-5 mil off it daily. and by the looks of your mb id be making a ton more since i gather all my mats including sands. If you had just said it wasnt selling fast or any thing i wouldn't of thought much about it but u made a point of saying it literally hasn't sold in 2 months so i wanted to see and well your server has a better market then mine forsure .

As for profitable unless your a half way crafter all the ones i know gather 90% of what they need making there profit worth the time

And the whole point was if you put in time you can make money for rent.....

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How much is your DoW/DoM gear selling for? On Ultros the highest priced gear is about 250k but the average is more around 150k.

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Originally Posted by Rinuko

Lot of people talk about grandfather, what does this actually mean?

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It means that people who already have multiple houses get to keep theirs.

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Originally Posted by MeridaQ

How much is your DoW/DoM gear selling for? On Ultros the highest priced gear is about 250k but the average is more around 150k.

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Wtf? On my server most stuff is 600k-2M

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Originally Posted by MeridaQ

It means that people who already have multiple houses get to keep theirs.

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Oh ok. Thank you for explaining.

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Originally Posted by Solarra

No to paying rent. I game to get away from stuff like that.

One private house and one FC house per account, shared between alts and with multi-house owners being grandfathered in, I could get behind. However, it won't solve the underlying issue which is supply. It would help a little, but the fact is there still wouldn't be enough houses to go round.

On a side note, I think all those proposing punitive measures for house owners: monthly rent, decorations must be changed regularly, up to a certain standard etc. are going to be very sorry if all that stuff is implemented and they finally get a house (fortunately, I think the devs have more sense). Taking houses away from existing owners or making keeping a house an expensive chore might ease some people's resentment in the short-term but it's not going to solve anything.

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I agree wholeheartedly. Especially no to a monthly rent, that's just ridiculous.

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Originally Posted by MeridaQ

How much is your DoW/DoM gear selling for? On Ultros the highest priced gear is about 250k but the average is more around 150k.

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350k-700k on Coeurl. Lestthe items i sell i dont mess with jewlery or waist

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Originally Posted by Rinuko

Lot of people talk about grandfather, what does this actually mean?

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A grandfather clause (or grandfather policy) is a provision in which an old rule continues to apply to some existing situations while a new rule will apply to all future cases. Those exempt from the new rule are said to have grandfather rights or acquired rights, or to have been grandfathered in.

In this case as Merida said people would keep there homes.

D: are 320 gear profitable on all the other servers? ;-;

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Originally Posted by MeridaQ

D: are 320 gear profitable on all the other servers? ;-;

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well i can only speak for my server Coeurl.. Famfrit which i checked yesterday and i was just on faerie to pick up a wedding invite so i checked (400k arvge)

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Originally Posted by Jas710

...better be titled "Housing Reborn", along with fully revamped instanced housing, one purchase per account, and in-game maintenance monthly fees.

If there is a cinematic cutscene involving a meteor, that will be even better.

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"Housing Reborn" made me lol! xD

Nothing short of a "rocks fall" housing solution is going to please the few selfish, greedy, land holders here who should all have their excess houses stripped from them and redistributed to players who can use them.

SE should never have allowed people to exploit the housing system as they have.

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Originally Posted by MeridaQ

D: are 320 gear profitable on all the other servers? ;-;

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Yeah at least on Louisioux (granted new server so might be in my favor) but on Odin it was much lower (Chaos DC, EU)

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Originally Posted by Almagnus1

Nothing short of a "rocks fall" housing solution is going to please the few selfish, greedy, land holders here who should all have their excess houses stripped from them and redistributed to players who can use them.

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Problem is though, most of them who do own multible houses, myself included are using them every day so to me that argument hold no ground.

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Originally Posted by Almagnus1

SE should never have allowed people to exploit the housing system as they have.

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I mean, yeah but that's on SE now. Also I don't think we can call it an exploit when it working as intended. They probably should've handled the releasing of your plot in a different way, as previous suggested by Siniztor and many others they could've had a timer until its made available for purchase again and we wouldnt have such a big flip problem, or giving back the same amount as they give with auto demolition without having to wait 45 days.

They should implemented a much harder restriction in 2.1 (don't remember when personal came out but think it was around this patch) but here we are 4 year later and they probably won't make changes to that now. But again who knows what going on in devs mind regards to that.

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Originally Posted by Isoval

The point of housing is not for housing to turn over when people run out of money.

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this made me laugh... and all i could think to myself is "isn't that what the bank dose"

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Originally Posted by Risu0042

this made me laugh... and all i could think to myself is "isn't that what the bank dose"

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This is a video game, not real life.

well, i finally got to the end.

@Sinitzor, i do like your random relinquish timer on the houses. lapsed and fortified houses have a random time on when they become available again. But in my opinion i don't agree with the "i have an account that allows me to have multiple characters, each as as much of a right to a house as your 1 character." mostly because i have had a completely different personal experience with housing than yourself. Having a complete different experience than you has driven me to have a different view point. I also have multiple alts each one with millions of gil, but none of them has a house, just none are available on my server. when Shirogane launched my sob story just resounds those of a 1,000 times over again. my launcher crashed multiple times and after 15 min of trying i got put in a que 1,300 people long and when i finally logged in every single plot in every single district in every single ward was gone. It wasn't because i didn't have the money for a house, or because i didn't try hard enough, i was just unlucky.

so when someone like myself sees someone with multiple houses across multiple characters, it just makes us feel cheated where i can't have 1 because you want 8. I get that people that own multiple houses across multiple characters has done nothing wrong as well, but when the same people use the argument of "i was here first" it just infuriates me. To someone like me you sound like Marie Antoinette saying "let them eat cake" where you just sound out of touch with the plight of Eorzea's homeless.

I find it a problem too, that players purchased a house (any size), get two buddies to start an FC, just to turn their house into an FC for the benefits it offers. This should not be happening. This is another loop hole that needs to be closed.

You want a workshop, and house buffs, then you should join an FC. Not occupy a large mansion with only 3 players, if that, just to take up desirable, good FC housing.

On my server the majority of mansions are bought by private owners and I see them with no activity from month to month, only to occupy it long enough so that they don't get evicted.

The housing situation is a mess, for sure. SE should have seen this coming. They should have had a residential are just for FC housing and not mix it in with privately own properties.

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Originally Posted by Risu0042

well, i finally got to the end.

@Sinitzor, the argument of "i was here first" it just infuriates me.To someone like me you sound like Marie Antoinette saying "let them eat cake" where you just sound out of touch with the plight of Eorzea's homeless.

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I understand theres no houses on your server and as you said you have read the post so you know for a year + i stared at 200+ empy houses.What irratates me is for a year no one batted a eye till they got free transfers.. people saying ive tried for 3 years to get a house. well housing wasnt your top prioty cause there was tons of servers with empty plots all you had to do it pay to transfer. yes you leave friends or fc but you get your house or houses, no you shouldnt have to transfer but IT was a option and you would of got a house.my server for example you could of got a med for 8 mil.

my whole arguement is we followed the rules it clearly states in housing rules (ive post the patch notes with the rules as u seen) every character who meets the requirements can buy a house, its not a loophole or a exploit. my account says i have 8 characters not 1 character and 7 alts. Since we broke no rules i cant stand the pitch fork weilding take there homes away cause were on the server now and want them. If they change the rules so be it but in no way is it fair to take homes away from people who broke n rules just cause you moved in.

The rage needs to be aimed at SE if your gonna keep this ward system then supply enough homes for all characters simple enough. Stop making excusses for them they get our money put it to use buy more servers or what ever you need. The amount of welll SE cant do it .............BS......... they have the money and other games make sure they have enough housing.the rage needs to be pointed at them and off the few who broke no rules

Go to a vendor for the neighborhood you want and purchase a voucher for a home in that area, offered in S, M, or L. Once enough vouchers for a full ward are purchased those first 36 players will have a new ward opened for them to pick the house they want (size pending).

The next set of 36 will spawn creation of the next ward, therefore eliminating the empty wards open to gold farmers. Limit the housing vouchers to 1 FC and 1 Personal house per server. If you really wanna grind up from scratch across all servers, you should be allowed to have something to show for it.

I'm not a fan of players losing houses obtained legitimately. I'm just honestly tired, as someone playing since V1 beta, of no chance to buy a house. I was stuck on Balmung, only able to free-transfer off to Coeurl, but it was too late. I wasn't able to log in during the 10 minutes housing was open. I want the opportunity, for me, and the FC I'm leading.