Veteran Reward changes - Big slap in the face for long time vets?

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10-05-2017, 08:11 AM
White-Magic

As vets, I don't see any problem with this. We already have our rewards, so we're not really disadvantaged by this - it's not like we paid exclusively just to get these items anyway.
If anything, I think the bigger issue would be the region-exclusive promotions which actually do prevent certain players from getting anything out of it.
10-05-2017, 08:29 AM
Magic-Mal

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Originally Posted by Zojha

I think you might have missed the sarcasm in the post you quoted.

Either that, or I missed the duplicity in yours.

I just took a nap and woke up and feel I missed sarcasm there too..
10-05-2017, 08:40 AM
Miste

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Originally Posted by MistakeNot

The point of paying a sub is to be able to play the game. If you really paid a sub even when you weren't playing just in order to get a bunch of mediocre cosmetic rewards, then you have nobody to blame but yourself for that silliness.

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Originally Posted by SuperionG1

If the only thing players look at before subscribing to a game is "Am I going to get some cool in game items" than it is time to reevaluate the reason you play online subscription based games.

This kind of thinking is unfair since you are ignoring other people's motivations just because you personally think "that's silly".

Sort of like the cash shop thing where people will look down on or laugh at people who bought things from it just because they think "that's silly why would you spend your money on that".

It isn't a very nice mentality to have. Everyone thinks differently and everyone values things differently. Like Vaer said getting into what people personally spend their own money on is pointless.

I mean in my 4 years of subbing a few times I considered dropping sub to take a break, but I figured I would like the veteran rewards so I didn't. It wasn't that I don't enjoy the game I mean I play it a lot, but everyone takes breaks sometimes.

In the end I don't care about these changes because most of the time I paid my sub I played and got the money's worth, but others may have really liked the vet rewards and possibly stayed subbed while not even playing for longer periods of time than I did. I mean I would draw the line personally, but I am not going to say their motivations were "dumb" or "you need to reevaluate" just because I don't understand it.

So like don't start that stuff where you make fun of others for what they spend their money on. It isn't cool. You have no right to tell a complete stranger "how you spend money is wrong you need to reevaluate it".

So yeah, be against the changes, be for the changes, whatever, just don't criticize how other people spend their own money. It's not yours anyway.
10-05-2017, 09:06 AM
Musashidon

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Originally Posted by Miste

You have no right to tell a complete stranger "how you spend money is wrong you need to reevaluate it".

well actually i live in america and it's one of the main rights i am given...second only to my gun.
10-05-2017, 09:11 AM
Eloah

I personally don't mind the change, since it allows newer players to feel like they will get to enjoy the rewards sooner; ironically I just got Zidane's outfit, lol. But I do feel like the older players should get "something" for being invested for that amount of time. Now that doesn't have to be anything major or completely exclusive. I'm not asking for a legacy tattoo; though tattoos in general would be nice, XD. Like maybe if you had a subscription prior to [DATE] and were subscribed for at least [#] days, non-consecutively, you get like 50 Aetheryte Tickets, or some Chocobo Feathers (for Dye most likely), or some Allagan coins or MGP Tickets, things not so hard to get but that are a slight thank you for those of us who have put in the time already.
10-05-2017, 09:12 AM
Rokke

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Originally Posted by Musashidon

well actually i live in america and it's one of the main rights i am given...second only to my gun.

Freedom of speech protects you from the government, not from being a douche to strangers.
10-05-2017, 09:13 AM
Eloah

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Originally Posted by Musashidon

well actually i live in america and it's one of the main rights i am given...second only to my gun.

given recent events, that's an insensitive comment. And just as you had the right to "say" your comment, I have the right to say this.
10-05-2017, 09:15 AM
Musashidon

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Originally Posted by Eloah

given recent events, that's an insensitive comment. And just as you had the right to "say" your comment, I have the right to say this.

you are absolutely right! i am not here to take your freedoms away like other people, just to state i do!
10-05-2017, 09:17 AM
Clover_Blake

As a veteran, I think this change is very nice. It welcomes the new players and gives them more reasons to resub. I have enough reasons for resubbing, myself, and they never were the rewards anyway.
10-05-2017, 09:22 AM
Canadane

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Originally Posted by SuperZay

Actual veteran players get nothing in return while everyone else benefits from the changes.

You'll have accumulated more achievement points which is now a currency it seems.
10-05-2017, 09:36 AM
Miste

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Originally Posted by Musashidon

you are absolutely right! i am not here to take your freedoms away like other people

lol you are making this into a way bigger deal than it is...if my single post on an online gaming forum about my opinion "takes your freedoms away" I don't know what to tell you bro. I am kind of surprised about this power I suddenly have. To just post words and take away other's rights. My bad I didn't know I had such a power.

Pretty sure I was just advocating to be understanding to each other and understand that people choose to spend their money many different ways so don't choose to be rude and criticize a total stranger about how they spend their money. It'd be like if you went into a store IRL to buy...I dont know, say this game! FFXIV! and some other customer walks up to you like "you're going to buy THAT?" then starts laughing hysterically and claiming how ridiculous you are for wasting your money on it.
10-05-2017, 09:40 AM
Musashidon

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Originally Posted by Miste

My bad I didn't know I had such a power.

well i did quote you word for word which you said *you have no right* which you are wrong.

i mean you are right you don't have that power, which is why i stated you were wrong.

i am not arguing if something is rude or insensitive just that i have that right.
10-05-2017, 09:41 AM
Valkyrie_Lenneth

As someone who has been subbed since 1.0 this doesn't bother me at all.
10-05-2017, 09:42 AM
RukiaFae

I liked the fact that your alts got the rewards too automatically. Sucks that any new alts won't get these rewards anymore.
10-05-2017, 09:44 AM
Pixiehawk

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Originally Posted by RukiaFae

I liked the fact that your alts got the rewards too automatically. Sucks that any new alts won't get these rewards anymore.

Maybe I can break my alt habit....

Nah
10-05-2017, 09:47 AM
Lissandra

I'm a Legacy player and have been here since day one of 1.0, and this does not bother me. To each their own.
10-05-2017, 09:47 AM
Miste

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Originally Posted by Musashidon

well i did quote you word for word which you said *you have no right* which you are wrong.

i mean you are right you don't have that power, which is why i stated you were wrong.

i am not arguing if something is rude or insensitive just that i have that right.

Again, they are just words, so yes you are making a huge deal out of nothing lol

People say "you have no right" all the time when dealing with situations where people are crossing the line into doing things that are very rude albeit not against the law. So in the end it is a figure of speech and just my opinion.
10-05-2017, 09:52 AM
RaizeGraymalkin

Not really seeing the problem here, and I say this as a "veteran". Hell I even benefit and get my Squall outfit earlier now. This is just more "grrrrrr I spent time on this and now these young'ins get it earlier!!!!". You didn't do anything. You stay subbed to a game you played.
10-05-2017, 10:03 AM
Musashidon

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Originally Posted by Miste

So in the end it is a figure of speech and just my opinion.

and you are completely allowed to tell everyone your opinion, but your opinion is factually wrong.
10-05-2017, 10:08 AM
Shirolumi

Looks like a lot of players only sub for a carrot on a stick, not to play the actual game. Come on. I never saw a player with the Squall outfit and thought "Oh man, this gus must have been playing for so long and must be so good and cool." The epeen and entitlement in this thread.

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Originally Posted by SuperZay

I mean, what was the point of staying subbed for 4 years if I'll get all the same bonus stuff with paying 1/4 of that sum now?

I don't know? Are you saying you stayed subbed to an mmo just for the bonuses (which just happens to be digital items, something your fictional character can wear, that are also just cosplay clothes originating from other fictional characters)? It sure sounds like it. That's pretty sad if you ask me.
10-05-2017, 10:09 AM
Miste

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Originally Posted by Musashidon

and you are completely allowed to tell everyone your opinion, but your opinion is factually wrong.

Making a huge deal over nothing.

Do you know what "figure of speech" means and the fact I just said "it is just my opinion"?

Also my opinion cannot be factually wrong because an opinion is not fact.

I personally feel and hold the opinion that you have no right to tell a stranger that how they spend their money is wrong whether or not you have that right legally or not.

Deal with it.
10-05-2017, 10:12 AM
Alien_Gamer

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Originally Posted by Musashidon

well i did quote you word for word which you said *you have no right* which you are wrong.

You also used the first amendment as the basis for your statement which is factually incorrect. The first amendment states the government can't stop you from saying something it doesn't like, it says nothing about what an individual is or is not allowed to do. The Bill of Rights is there to limit the government, its not there to limit or grant powers to the people.

But you are right in that you can tell someone what to do or what to say. That person, and everyone else that hears you, is also free to not listen or say that you're being rude. Just because you're free to say what you want does not mean you're free from the consequences of saying what you want.
10-05-2017, 10:13 AM
Musashidon

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Originally Posted by Miste

Deal with it.[/B]

you are allowed to hold that opinion i never said don't, i just said just because you do doesn't mean we don't.

you seem to be turning this into some huge thing when i am literally only saying the same thing over and over again not arguing any other point.

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Originally Posted by Alien_Gamer

But you are right in that you can tell someone what to do or what to say. That person, and everyone else that hears you, is also free to not listen or say that you're being rude. Just because you're free to say what you want does not mean you're free from the consequences of saying what you want.

you are 100% correct once again as i have said every post i am simply stating i have that right no matter what people think.
10-05-2017, 10:14 AM
magnanimousCynic

People are missing the biggest buff here.

Now when you make an alt you no longer have to stand by the Courier Moogle for half an hour to open and delete 20+ pieces of mail!
10-05-2017, 10:15 AM
Kahnom

I just hope I can buy fantasia using achievement points.
10-05-2017, 10:19 AM
Miste

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Originally Posted by Musashidon

you seem to be turning this into some huge thing when i am literally only saying the same thing over and over again not arguing any other point.

No, the reason this falls on you is because this is a video game forum, but you are turning it into some kind of political crusade about defending what rights you have just because someone pointed out we shouldn't be being rude to people for what they choose to spend their personal money on in this game.

No one in here cares what rights you have or what country you live in or that you own a gun. You didn't question my post about the game, you turned it into a "I have this right so don't try to take away my freedoms" thing all over someone's opinion that we should be nicer to each other.

I mean way to pick your battles.
10-05-2017, 10:22 AM
Musashidon

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Originally Posted by Miste

No one in here cares what rights you have

was i suppose to question your opinion on the game? i simply stated a fact and this happened.
10-05-2017, 10:24 AM
DeaconMoore

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Originally Posted by Kahnom

I just hope I can buy fantasia using achievement points.

Doubt it, they specifically noted fantasia below the achievements as being a quest reward and one you can't retroactively get.

Overall, I don't really see the problem. They've given themselves the opportunity to add things to the veterans list with this without making it seem impossible to new players to get and long term players will still be able to get them too if they go down that road.
10-05-2017, 10:27 AM
Miste

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Originally Posted by Musashidon

was i suppose to question your opinion on the game? i simply stated a fact and this happened.

Again I have no power to take away your rights, so you are defending them against -nothing- and on a video game forum nonetheless and no matter how many times I told you it was my opinion you wouldn't end it.

Sorry, but in my opinion you are blowing this way out of proportion and making a big deal out of nothing. I have no power to take away your rights in the first place then what are you defending yourself against? I mean if you want to defend your rights then turn to your own government, not a random gamer on a forum.
10-05-2017, 10:29 AM
Musashidon

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Originally Posted by Miste

I told you it was my opinion you wouldn't end it.

end what?! i haven't done anything just stated one thing over and over

i never argued you couldn't have your opinion or say it, or believe it, just that it's wrong legally.
10-05-2017, 10:32 AM
Pinkie_Pie

https://78.media.tumblr.com/f71fcf93...t3ilz0_540.gif

This image pretty much says everything for me cause I'm bad at talking about my feelings.
10-05-2017, 10:34 AM
Vahlnir

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Originally Posted by Musashidon

end what?! i haven't done anything just stated one thing over and over

i never argued you couldn't have your opinion or say it, or believe it, just that it's wrong legally.

I just don't understand what legal anything has to do with...anything.
10-05-2017, 10:40 AM
Musashidon

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Originally Posted by Vahlnir

I just don't understand what legal anything has to do with...anything.

it's just what my orginal comment has to do with where i replied to *you don't have the right to say* with *well in america that is one of my main rights*

from a legal/factual point of view.
10-05-2017, 10:44 AM
Vahlnir

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Originally Posted by Musashidon

it's just what my orginal comment has to do with where i replied to *you don't have the right to say* with *well in america that is one of my main rights*

from a legal/factual point of view.

And that holds absolutely NO relevance whatsoever.
10-05-2017, 10:45 AM
Miste

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Originally Posted by Musashidon

i never argued you couldn't have your opinion or say it, or believe it, just that it's wrong legally.

And that is my whole point? Why argue about legal rights on a video game forum just because someone pointed out we should not criticize what a stranger spends their personal money on in said game. Then you are like "oh I have the right to say anything I want even if it is rude so don't try to take away my freedoms". I mean....okay? Good for you? I can't take away your freedoms anyway?

/shrug

Again, I think you pick your battles poorly.
10-05-2017, 10:47 AM
Aster_E

I was just a couple months from getting the Firion minion, which is the last vet reward I care about at all, despite Firion's game being less than stellar. I was by no means looking forward to Zidane's or Squall's outfits as I liked neither character, and actually would have had to grab the outfits off the mail to make space--due to the item limit in the mailbox--and dig through my armory to delete each and every piece of Zidane or Squall I can find. MEANWHILE, the rug has been pulled out from under my feet on the minion, and SE is like "Hey, you know that free thing you were going to get anyways in a few months? You have to buy it now, using a (currently unknown) number of your earned trophies."

Now, if it turns out that the system would just look at the number of achievement points I have and say "Yeah, you want the minion? Here you go," I wouldn't care half as much since I have well over 10k achievement points on my main character. But it wasn't worded that way, and my faith in SE isn't exactly as stellar as even FFII. Also, as an actual vet to this game, I'm now getting squat except for the sudden need to clean out my mailbox and inventory/armory, wasting time that I could be using, you know, to enjoy this game. Just... Damn it, Squeenix. Stop acting like the Fat Gogeta of game company mergers. Please?
10-05-2017, 10:49 AM
Musashidon

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Originally Posted by Miste

"oh I have the right to say anything I want even if it is rude so don't try to take away my freedoms".

battles? all i did was state a fact not battle anyone.

in my quote to you i didn't even say take my freedoms away.
10-05-2017, 10:51 AM
CyanTea

A little bit unrelated but judging by this statement:

https://i.imgur.com/LgaNt7k.jpg

I think they are preparing to add a shop and in-game currency buyable through IRL cash.

In 4.2 this currency a.k.a. "Achievement points" will be renamed into something related to crystals.
And after that, it will be added to Mog Station. Ugh...

Unfortunately, it seems that SE or developers are indeed having some financial problems, so to speak.

However, that was just an assumption.

Regarding the "veteran" players that "get nothing" - aren't you already have the permanent discount on subscription prices?
Is this not enough?

Or was I misinformed?
10-05-2017, 10:56 AM
Vahlnir

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Originally Posted by Musashidon

battles? all i did was state a fact not battle anyone.

in my quote to you i didn't even say take my freedoms away.

This is a game forum, why are you even bringing "my legal right and freedoms" into a discussion about a video game? I don't even...
10-05-2017, 11:05 AM
Musashidon

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Originally Posted by Vahlnir

This is a game forum, why are you even bringing "my legal right and freedoms" into a discussion about a video game? I don't even...

i thought it was said already?

i was browsing the thread and saw the comment and decided to comment if you mean literally why comment at all.

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Originally Posted by CyanTea

Or was I misinformed?

also yes you are alittle, vets don't get the discount its legacy players who subbed for 6months during 1.0 time before it was ended, there was a campaign like the falcon mount for it.

i have subbed since the game first started and i don't get a discount.

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