Do people see lalafells as children?

i see lalas as food. same for tarus.

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Originally Posted by RichardButte

This is why I ask: I see them as adults, but I want to know how many other people don't because I'm considering making machinima and I want to gauge what the reaction would be if there's a lalafell who's a bit of a womanizer.

Judging by the responses, I'm guessing people would either find it funny or disturbing, which isn't necessarily what I was going for.

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Richard, trying to judge the response from the forums is silly. Just look at all the football and food jokes.

Now, I see lalafell as adults. As others have pointed out, they are chibis. But, that doesn't make them any less adults. Just like adults of the other races, there are good ones, bad ones, clever ones, lecherous ones, and virtuous ones.

I'm going to give you an important lesson taught to me while I was writing in college. "The key to writing a good female character is to write her as a person and not as a woman." That rule applies to fantasy races too. If you have a lalafell womanizer, write them up as a womanizer who just happens to be a lalafell too. You'll get the response you were aiming for.

Good luck! I can't wait to see the machinima!

If I had a wyvern I'd use lala's as pet food. Their ancestors the Tarutarus made great snacks in the past.

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Originally Posted by Kacho_Nacho

Richard, trying to judge the response from the forums is silly

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Well, it's a very general gauging, but I'm mostly curious to see how people react to lalafells being adults because I'm not sure how people outside the XIV community would respond to it.

I think I'd need to put up an opinion poll to gather more data with questions about things like how seriously someone would take a male lalafell as a love interest for a hyur female, for example.

I mean, I'm sure a lalafell would come across as hilarious if he was essentially a 2.5ft tall "Archer", but could he ever be more than just a running gag?

As it stands, XIV itself treats lecherous lalafells as a gag. I mean, just look at the Moonfire Faire and how Gegeruju and his female lalafell assistant were both being pervy peeping Toms.

But like, could a lalafell work as an actual serious half of a love story? If the XIV community isn't in accord about them being adults (or at least resembling them), an audience member outside the community could very well be horrified by it (even if it was a male lalafell, because double-standards are a thing, after all).

There is a series of Hallmark figurines that is all children, but often in adult roles (Precious Moments is the name, I believe). This is what I see when I see a lalafel. except instead of a warm, wholesome child, I see a demonically inspired homunculus, a product of some sort of unholy and unnatural creation. I do not feel comfortable around them. I actually avoid Uldah because of them.

Lalafell are number 2 on my list of things I would like to see eradicated from Eorzea. Moogles are #1.

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Originally Posted by RichardButte

But like, could a lalafell work as an actual serious half of a love story? If the XIV community isn't in accord about them being adults (or at least resembling them), an audience member outside the community could very well be horrified by it (even if it was a male lalafell, because double-standards are a thing, after all).

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Might be more palatable if it was written similar to how this movie played out.

As for actual Lalafell love stories, they do exist, but the Lalafell in each relationship is usually female. The Heavensward CUL questline immediately springs to mind, and even Nanamo and Raubahn could be seen in that regard to some degree as well. The ARR WVR questline would be an example of an all-Lalafell love story as well.

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Originally Posted by RichardButte

But like, could a lalafell work as an actual serious half of a love story? If the XIV community isn't in accord about them being adults (or at least resembling them), an audience member outside the community could very well be horrified by it (even if it was a male lalafell, because double-standards are a thing, after all).

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Momodi already had a explicit history or being promiscuous. In the postmoogle quests you had dealt with a Hyur who was propositioning her.

I see them as a waste of space, and the obligatory 'cute' race every game feels compelled to include for no good reason.

I could say a whole lot more about what I think of the people who play them, but I don't feel like getting forum banned.

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Originally Posted by Kazrah

Might be more palatable if it was written similar to how this movie played out.

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I could argue it both ways.

It would make more sense to those unfamiliar with XIV, but it would make a lot LESS sense to those who know the universe well, since these races have been living around each other for literally ages and there aren't any usually reservations about marrying whoever you want, it seems.

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Originally Posted by basketofseals

Momodi already had a explicit history or being promiscuous. In the postmoogle quests you had dealt with a Hyur who was propositioning her.

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Yeah, it's established in game that lalafells are adults, but I was wondering what the external perception might be.

I think I'd need to spend a lot of time establishing that lalafells are absolutely adults, dealing with adult problems like money, existential bullshit, alcohol addictions, etc. before moving onto lalafells having relationships with tallfolk.

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Originally Posted by Syfurion

I see them as a waste of space, and the obligatory 'cute' race every game feels compelled to include for no good reason.

I could say a whole lot more about what I think of the people who play them, but I don't feel like getting forum banned.

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Show us on the doll where the lalafell hurt you.

I mean, damn...sweeping generalizations much?

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Originally Posted by Syfurion

I see them as a waste of space, and the obligatory 'cute' race every game feels compelled to include for no good reason.

I could say a whole lot more about what I think of the people who play them, but I don't feel like getting forum banned.

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Just like Elezen are the generic elf race but are really ugly so its even worse

I get a kick out of whenever a Lala Npc says something like "In my youth".

As for viewing them as children I'd say yea they're sort of like children. You'd have to be so careful to not run into one if they were real out of fear of crushing one.

I can't take them seriously as anything but a mage. Which is just really cute and theirs certainly nothing wrong with that.

So yeah I don't view them as children.

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Originally Posted by Syfurion

I see them as a waste of space, and the obligatory 'cute' race every game feels compelled to include for no good reason.

I could say a whole lot more about what I think of the people who play them, but I don't feel like getting forum banned.

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I mean, if I want to be honest, there's a ton more games with an elf that doesn't have the small cute one. Granted this is probably the one mmo where elf is one of the least popular, which is impressive.

It depends on what they're wearing. Or if he has facial hair.

I see them as the generally awful little things they're usually portrayed as. I've always been able to separate fantasy and reality so seeing them as adults is no issue. Just like how I'm suppose to believe everyone in space just speaks english or how okay it is that animals can talk. It's the age old "magic" excuse. Ain't gotta explain it.
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yeaaa... lalafells and tarus have always felt cute kid chibi to me and still do^^: (sorry taru fells ; ; ) but the one excuse of people who have dwarfism no, they do not resemble children, they look like shorter adults. If lalafells had those features instead of the more common mmo chibi kid-esque im sure more people would have a less difficult time seeing a chibi like form and not associating it with a child. Thing is in most mmos there is a cutesy chibi type and this ones ours because there are people who want that too. The only time it really plays a factor to me, however, is in rp, where no offense lalas but they just don't do it for my muses^^:

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Originally Posted by Fredco191

It depends on what they're wearing. Or if the have facial hair.

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see this guy gets it.

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Originally Posted by Syfurion

I see them as a waste of space, and the obligatory 'cute' race every game feels compelled to include for no good reason.

I could say a whole lot more about what I think of the people who play them, but I don't feel like getting forum banned.

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Yeah, don't. Because it really isn't that big of a deal.
I know a lot of us think Elezen are oddly proportioned but never once did I see that they are "waste of space"
and that serious where they might be forum banned.

Like damn, calm down.
I know Lala's are to be the "Comic relief" sometimes and jokes but some people
actually take things way too far, like this person. Really isn't that big of a deal, they
are just characters in a game lol.

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Originally Posted by RichardButte

Yeah, it's established in game that lalafells are adults, but I was wondering what the external perception might be.

I think I'd need to spend a lot of time establishing that lalafells are absolutely adults, dealing with adult problems like money, existential bullshit, alcohol addictions, etc. before moving onto lalafells having relationships with tallfolk.

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I mean I think staging a coup and being bisected for it is a pretty non-child thing to do.

The BLM 30-50 was driven by Ququruka and his guilt over not being able to save/avenge his friends, and the THM 1-30 had Cocobusi dealing with how his morals stacked up when it was his own family on the line.

We also have Pipin who is a very prominent army general, and Nanamo as the Sultanate.

There's plenty of proof already with Lalafel being adults. In fact there's nothing to suggest otherwise. We even had two Lalafel chucking two Hyur through the air out the miner's guild in 1.0. If there are people that aren't convinced that they're adults then they're just never going to be convinced. They've made up their minds and won't let the game tell them anything.

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Originally Posted by RichardButte

I could argue it both ways.

It would make more sense to those unfamiliar with XIV, but it would make a lot LESS sense to those who know the universe well, since these races have been living around each other for literally ages and there aren't any usually reservations about marrying whoever you want, it seems.

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Yeah, this is something that caught me by surprise when I first started playing the game and seeing that race is such a non-issue in the story to the point where you could nearly switch races of characters and still pretty much wind up with the story completely unchanged.

As for why I used Roxanne as an example, yes, it is primarily for people that don't know much of Eorzea. However, using the main character of C.D., the obstacle wasn't the big nose so much as the doubt created by it. With a Lalafell, the case could be roughly the same; while there is no social stigma against marrying someone of a taller race, there may be a similar obstacle of doubt created in the mind of the Lalafell by what makes them different from their love interest.

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Originally Posted by Kazrah

there may be a similar obstacle of doubt created in the mind of the Lalafell by what makes them different from their love interest.

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Now that you mention it, the movie "Freaks" actually covers almost exactly how this might play out: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freaks

Basically, it's a lalafell-sized man who's in a relationship with a lalafell-sized woman, but inherits a large amount of money and leaves her for a "normal" woman (who plots to kill him for the money, but that's not how I envisioned this going down).

I mean, the movie is called "Freaks" partially because it's set on Earth where being a little person isn't the norm, whereas lalafells are just another common race of Eorzea so there's not as much precedent.

Still, there was that one quest in Camp Bronze Lake where there was a gay couple (highlander man and a man'qote) who were shunned by the highlander's family because he was in a relationship with a cat person (not for being gay), but that's one of the few instances I can recall of any evidence of actual racism in XIV.

If it were more common, it would make a good deal more sense for a lalafell to doubt if a tallfolk female is right for him, but pretty much every lecherous lalafell you encounter in the game is interested only in non-lalafell women.

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Originally Posted by RichardButte

Still, there was that one quest in Camp Bronze Lake where there was a gay couple (highlander man and a man'qote) who were shunned by the highlander's family because he was in a relationship with a cat person (not for being gay), but that's one of the few instances I can recall of any evidence of actual racism in XIV.

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That case could also be that even SE hates man'qotes.....or maybe there's some story excuse about how a man'qote wouldn't be as much of a social benefit outside of a tribe.

Lalafell wouldn't normally have such a dilemma either way because despite some evil ones, they are still generally loved and appreciated by other races. Plus Lalafell are either filthy rich or in a state in which money is a non-issue, both of which would make them more desirable in society.

People will find anything weird regardless. If you want to make it, just do it. You shouldn't be concerned about that unless you are trying to sell it to a client, imo. From what I've learned people can't see past appearances; a miqo'te wearing little - wench, a lalafell anything - child. Yes, I'm making use of common tropes here. Lorewise they are not, PCs are a case to case issue. Certain faces, hairstyles, choice of clothing and dye and behaviour can make one appear younger, regardless of race. I'd argue that a good portion of female miqo'te, au ra and midlanders look underage.

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Originally Posted by Kyri

yeaaa... lalafells and tarus have always felt cute kid chibi to me and still do^^: (sorry taru fells ; ; ) but the one excuse of people who have dwarfism no, they do not resemble children, they look like shorter adults. If lalafells had those features instead of the more common mmo chibi kid-esque im sure more people would have a less difficult time seeing a chibi like form and not associating it with a child. Thing is in most mmos there is a cutesy chibi type and this ones ours because there are people who want that too. The only time it really plays a factor to me, however, is in rp, where no offense lalas but they just don't do it for my muses^^:

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My sentiments echo Kyri's, pretty much. It's just appearance wise, I know they are adults, as how I perceive them in the lore.. like hobbits. The cute factor is to lull you into a false sense of security, that's when we strike ;) In all seriousness, since when did a creative person let others dictate how they express themselves? :p Bunnychain is right, whatever you create is going to be viewed from a subjective standpoint, do it and be d***ed! I look forward to seeing the finished creation, and good luck.

Once you walk in on a lala and a miqo cyboring you never see any of them as children... ever... again...

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Originally Posted by basketofseals

I mean I think staging a coup and being bisected for it is a pretty non-child thing to do.

The BLM 30-50 was driven by Ququruka and his guilt over not being able to save/avenge his friends, and the THM 1-30 had Cocobusi dealing with how his morals stacked up when it was his own family on the line.

We also have Pipin who is a very prominent army general, and Nanamo as the Sultanate.

There's plenty of proof already with Lalafel being adults. In fact there's nothing to suggest otherwise. We even had two Lalafel chucking two Hyur through the air out the miner's guild in 1.0. If there are people that aren't convinced that they're adults then they're just never going to be convinced. They've made up their minds and won't let the game tell them anything.

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In addition, two lalafell figure prominently in the Pugilist 1-30 questline. All in all, I agree some people have made up their mind that lalafell are creepy children.

However, there are lots of players who like the lalafellin race. For example, I see them as heroes, companions, friends, and antagonists. They are my muses. :D

Whether I see them as children or not, that still leaves one very important question...

Where are the ACTUAL Lalafell children?! I mean, ever since I saw Khloe, I started wondering.

I see them as a chibi elf :3

I don't see many Lalafells as I only log on late and it's past their bedtime.

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Originally Posted by Leowilde

I don't get the whole "lalas = children" debate. They talk like adults, their voices are most definetly adult. Some of them sport moustaches. They ARE adults. My mind is not so muddled I can't see past a small stature. Do you guys feel this way about people with dwarfism IRL as well?

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The great majority of real-life dwarves do not look like children. Lalafell DO. Even the ones with facial hair look like children with fake moustaches and beards pasted on. It is not surprising that some folks feel a bit of discomfort when they think of Lalafell in situations that would be inappropriate for children in real life.

Perhaps not everyone has trouble with that mental hurdle, but there's no shame in it if you do.

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Originally Posted by Syfurion

I see them as a waste of space, and the obligatory 'cute' race every game feels compelled to include for no good reason.

I could say a whole lot more about what I think of the people who play them, but I don't feel like getting forum banned.

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Sheesh Louise what did a Lala ever do to you?

I mean, it depends. I see lalafel as children most of the time and then hear yuyuhase's JP voice and it's like...wait. What the hell?

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Originally Posted by Syfurion

I see them as a waste of space, and the obligatory 'cute' race every game feels compelled to include for no good reason.

I could say a whole lot more about what I think of the people who play them, but I don't feel like getting forum banned.

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You should go ahead and say it so you get yourself perma-banned. The forum needs less bitter, hateful people.

I dont know. I dont see lala as children or adults... just a lalafel xD

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Originally Posted by Teraluna

I don't see many Lalafells as I only log on late and it's past their bedtime.

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Hey when you spend a lot of time trying to form a mass Lalafell army and try to take over the world
during the day, tires us out! The other Lala's are Nightowls and are NIN/spies so you just don't see them hehehe.

This reminds me of a certain interview of a certain Game of Thrones actor, in which he describes an encounter with a fan.

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“Look, this is a fantasy show. We’ve got fire-breathing giant dragons, we’ve got ice zombies, we’ve got a woman giving birth to a cloud. Why is it me still being fat that you just don’t buy?”

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So I have to ask those who can't see Lalafells as anything but children: why is it Lalafells being adults that you just don't buy?

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Originally Posted by Heliantheae

Sheesh Louise what did a Lala ever do to you?

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Something very "adult", apparently...

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Originally Posted by Zfz

So I have to ask those who can't see Lalafells as anything but children: why is it Lalafells being adults that you just don't buy?

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I buy it, but I'm worried about how other people (even outside of the XIV community) will see it.

Apart from the size I do not think there is any way a person can confuse a Lalafell with a child. They are just little people with a desire to take over the world.

Tiny, evil munchkins.

http://i.imgur.com/hAVfwm3.jpg?1
http://i.imgur.com/xHX1WFb.jpg

Don't trust their cutsey animations and appearance, and never EVER turn your back on one.

http://i.imgur.com/hCipWoW.png
http://i.imgur.com/iLoORRu.png

And don't even get me started on Tataru...

http://i.imgur.com/EGx4Uem.png