How does SE justify these ten min enrages, but doesnt let anyone know their dps

Im personally using a parser. I never really used it to judge others and i have never talked off or kicked a person because of low dps, but i do wanna share my thoughts about what i saw. Ive seen ppl in savage omega doing less dps than the tanks, and even the healers sometimes. Way more often than you think. And i would say its fine...and that not everyone has the same skillset etc.... But i cant say that. Its not okay. As someone else said at the start of the thread, the enrage timers are really tight. So if you have just 1 person doing bad, this will result in hitting enrage. For 1 person. So there are 2 options here. Either give an official DPS metter for everyone so we can adjust the group, or adjust the enrage timers.

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Originally Posted by KageTokage

While it's true that your target dummy DPS is always going to be better then in the actual encounter, being to able to destroy it at least means you have a solid grasp of your class' rotation, especially if you're pulling it off at the minimum item level for the raid.

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See I always worry that in actual combat I'll spend so much time worrying about mechanics that I end up doing like... half the DPS I should. I also know from the few FFlogs entries folks have actually uploaded that include me, I'm not super consistent. Back when I played on PC and could see my own DPS, I was consistent, because I could see when I was falling below my usual standard and kick myself back into gear a little.

As it stands the only thing PS4 players can rely on to kinda-sorta get an idea of how much damage they're doing is the aggro meter. Which folks do actually do, and is useless because people can use enmity mitigation and trick you into thinking you're doing far, far better than you are, which the creates a whole other problem. :\

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Originally Posted by Bourne_Endeavor

Have you looked at the hardcore groups lately? A lot of have Dragoons. In fact, Momo Sama changed from Samurai to Dragoon because he liked it better. Meanwhile, Machinist is getting dumped on by everyone. And rightly so. You don't need a parse to tell you Bard is overwhelmingly better. This doom and gloom surrounding parses just doesn't make sense. I'll reiterate, if you step into Savage, someone likely has a parse up, and job balance will always be talked about. So it isn't like one job being inferior to another isn't known already. All a parse does is allow people to see their numbers and hopefully improve.

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Honestly it makes sense because hardcore raiders aren't the ones enforcing the meta, some of them are even against it, the ones that are enforcing the meta are the common players

At this point I just want Squenix to enable a parser for a week and see if the servers implode.

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Originally Posted by RaizeGraymalkin

So most people who use parsers then? I know that's generalizing, but I've seen too many people berate others, citing parse numbers as a reason.

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I clearly need to PUG more, because I can't remember anyone mentioning numbers unless asked.

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Originally Posted by Kacho_Nacho

Think someone is going to play a dragoon or machinist if there are parsers?

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Our group has one.

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Originally Posted by Remedi

Honestly it makes sense because hardcore raiders aren't the ones enforcing the meta, some of them are even against it, the ones that are enforcing the meta are the common players

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Folks think that playing the same job as *whichever hardcore raider* is gonna be a fast-track to huge DPS numbers, disregarding everything else that went into *whichever hardcore raider* being good at the game.
It's a little sad, really :/

When doing normal rotations and stuff, enrage is -not- about your entitled parse numbers, it is about how often people are dying, or being obviously totally afk. (-min ilevel requirements and all that jazz-)

Parses are not needed, were never needed and are mostly used for engaging in toxic behavior. The "people improve with parsing"-myth slander is appalling; people improve with playing, that's all there is to it, repeated playing, all that is needed. It is not done by looking at small number differences between you, your last lucky run, or the next guy. Grow up. If you want numbers, there are these gray area's and keep them to yourself. Bai bai.

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Originally Posted by Quoyan

Folks think that playing the same job as *whichever hardcore raider* is gonna be a fast-track to huge DPS numbers, disregarding everything else that went into *whichever hardcore raider* being good at the game.
It's a little sad, really :/

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It definitively is because they completely disregard the reason why some1 made that choice.

For what it's worth, most of the people against parsers seem to not do the only content that parsers are relevant for. Coincidence? I think not.

For 95% of the content in the game you can place your face comfortably on the left side of your keyboard, roll it gently to the right and by the time you're all the way on the other side the fight is over. You don't need a parser for expert roulette, most if not all primals, normal mode raids, story trials, class trials, fates, and so on. There's only one type of content where minmaxing really matters and it's that content that needs some sort of parsing available.

In blade and soul (when I last played) they had damage meters in the 4man modes (equivalent to hard modes/savage if you would) but in the 6man modes (expert roulette/normal mode raid tier) there would be no parser. I fail to see why SE can't do something similar for ff. If you're raiding savage and you don't care about your numbers enough to improve or aren't even slightly interested in how you or others are doing you probably don't belong doing savage to begin with. So the only people that would see parsers are ones that want them and who would benefit from them.

Why not just a personal parser you can toggle on and off at will. No one can judge you since only you will see your numbers and you don't even have to use it. But if you want you have a clear number directly on your screen.

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Originally Posted by Kacho_Nacho

You like parsers and talk about how they assist you. That's true. Parsers can show you ways to improve but they have to be used properly.

However, players don't use them properly. Instead, people scream at you if you don't play the "best spec" and the best build the cutting edge raiders are using. I saw this in WoW and I have no reason to believe it will be different here.

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I have never seen that happen here. There are some jobs that have different builds based on player preference (HW BRD had a Skill Speed build and a Crit/Det build, and the one a particular BRD went for was based off of personal preference; not necessarily "meta"). There are also different types of openers for jobs (e.g., Samurai's 1-sen opener versus 3-sen opener), and the opener used is, again, based on preference. Since both have very little variance in terms of DPS/burst.

Have you stepped foot into any of the Savage content in this game? How about Ex trials? If not, then how are you justifying being able to speak on the current state of these types of content, and the types of players that exist in said content? Using WoW as an example doesn't really work because this isn't WoW.

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I research, practice, and ask for advice with every job I play. I am against parsers because of the impact they have on the community based on what I saw during my eight years playing WoW.

So, spare me your "excuse to be bad" rhetoric. I could not care less if you want to play with me or not.

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I have played FFXIV for almost 2 years now. I have reported one individual--ONE--on the basis of harassment via parsers. Most people who parse do not harass people about it. The ones that do aren't worth playing with anyways (they're usually the problem in the run, and not Mr. Perfect), and are few and far between.

Again, if you haven't done any Savage or Ex content in this game, what gives you the authority to speak on the state of playerbase that frequents that content? There will be jerks in all types of content: from daily roulettes to Ex primals to Savage. Parsers or no parsers won't change that. More often than not, the people being jerks probably aren't even parsing; they're just being jerks for the sake of being jerks.


Also, going to jump in with another "my static has a DRG" comment. Because it does, and even if DRG and MCH are still suffering in terms of job design (though probably not as much as SMN is), that doesn't exclude them from Savage content. My static has a SMN as well, and we're on O3S currently. We're pretty midcore (with a few of us leaning more towards hardcore), and we have three individuals who parse during our runs. We use the parsers to examine our own contributions to the fight, to examine anywhere where we may make changes to be more optimal, and to serve as constructive criticism for each other if our performance falls short of what we want it to be. Also, it serves as a great tool to know when enrage is happening, since ACT has a fight timer for each encounter.

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Originally Posted by eschaton

When doing normal rotations and stuff, enrage is -not- about your entitled parse numbers, it is about how often people are dying, or being obviously totally afk. (-min ilevel requirements and all that jazz-)

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I believe this is false. There are plenty of instances where people are more than minimum ilvl for a piece of content, aren't dying, and yet are still holding a group back because they aren't using the best/most optimal rotation, aren't making use of their buffs, aren't upkeeping certain self-buffs or DoTs on bosses, etc., and in general just being lazy. Meeting enrage has a lot more to it than just "not dying and pressing 1-2-3."

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Parses are not needed, were never needed and are mostly used for engaging in toxic behavior. The "people improve with parsing"-myth slander is appalling; people improve with playing, that's all there is to it, repeated playing, all that is needed. It is not done by looking at small number differences between you, your last lucky run, or the next guy. Grow up. If you want numbers, there are these gray area's and keep them to yourself. Bai bai.

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This is also not true. If people don't know that they're playing poorly or sub-optimally, how are they going to improve? A lot of people confuse the enmity bars with how much DPS they're doing, when, in truth, enmity has very little to do with being Top DPS. They see "I'm #2 in terms of enmity" and think "I'm highest DPS" when that is not true most of the time. People think that doing a simple 1-2-3 rotation hitting no positionals is optimal...until they see the increase they do once they hit said positionals. People also think that food and pots are irrelevant in terms of damage...until they see the difference eating food actually makes.

Numbers absolutely help people improve, because parser data is so much more than just a number at the end of a fight. It contains data about buff usage, your rotation, when your burst occurred, how high your burst was, etc.. Parses are excellent tools for comparing your own rotation to someone else's who is pulling a higher performance, or someone else who is pulling numbers that you would like to see yourself pull. Used correctly, parsers are great for self-improvement, and a lot of the players that ask in PFs for parser numbers are generally those that are trying to do better, not just inflate their e-peen (though those exist as well).

if you can't beat the dummy, your individual dps isn't high enough. if you hit the enrage, your overall dps isn't high enough. fairly certain they tell you if your dps isn't high enough

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Originally Posted by OmegaStrongtan

Why not just a personal parser you can toggle on and off at will. No one can judge you since only you will see your numbers and you don't even have to use it. But if you want you have a clear number directly on your screen.

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I think alot of players would like this, but it would still not fix the issue why people want parsers in the first place. The reason why people want parsers is to confront the underpreformers with their low DPS. The goal is to say: "You are doing low damage, here is the proof, please improve or you are going to be kicked from the group" Its all about showing the underpreformer that they are being carried, this will hopefully make them want to improve. Personal Parsers is good and all I prefer personal, but I can understand why a party parser is needed.

On the otherhand sometimes parsers are not needed to know when someone is underpreforming. I have seen to many Black Mages not casting any Fire IV, let alone Foul.

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Originally Posted by eschaton

When doing normal rotations and stuff, enrage is -not- about your entitled parse numbers, it is about how often people are dying, or being obviously totally afk. (-min ilevel requirements and all that jazz-)

Parses are not needed, were never needed and are mostly used for engaging in toxic behavior. The "people improve with parsing"-myth slander is appalling; people improve with playing, that's all there is to it, repeated playing, all that is needed. Grow up. If you want numbers, there are these gray area's and keep them to yourself. Bai bai.

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Parsers are needed in Savage content. (like Omega 3.0/4.0 Savage)

For example, if your raid DPS is around 20k on O3S, you will not clear it. Dying or not doesn't have anything to do with it. If a raid DPS is around 20K without anyone dying and people doing mechanics correctly, that group still will not be able to clear O3S due to minimal Raid DPS requirement, which is around 23K (if i remember correctly, maybe +/- 500). Otherwise, Madame Hallicarnassus will say "Bai bai" to that group.

At least, if you run a parser in PUG, you can see that much.

I know that ignorance is a bliss, but if someone would like to tackle Omega 3.0 Savage and further, they need to know that at least.

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Originally Posted by Zeonsilt

Parsers are needed in Savage content. (like Omega 3.0/4.0 Savage)

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Tbh, this is applicable even in V1S/V2S. I've done a few PFs trying to help some friends clear after seeing enrage multiple times, and some of the groups I have been in just don't have the overall raid DPS to clear the fight. Even in groups where there haven't been excessive deaths, there just wasn't enough outgoing DPS to clear the fights. This could be due to any number of things (gear, rotations, laziness of party members, etc.).

So this just goes back to what I said in my original response to this individual that meeting enrage is far more than just "not dying and pressing 1-2-3."

Man I wish I had a parser for ps4.......I want nothing more than to experiment and self improve.

Yesterday a friend wrote in chat that we should have at least a personal parser and I agree with him. If we cant get one for the whole group then give us at least a personal one. Those who are unwilling to learn will never learn but those that want to get better will have a way to see their numbers. Beating up the dummy only tells you if you can do the minimum amount of DPS or not. Also this is a fight without any mechanics. Being able to see your own DPS after true bosses would be way better. And it would give us finally a tool that shows every Dot correctly.

I saw an O3S "clear" PF the other day and the leader wrote they would kick anyone who dies. Of course this person doesn't put up much damage in the first place.

One of my raid groups we cleared O3S during the first week with several deaths.

It's okay, mistakes can happen in there because all you have to do is mess up your footing in minijack and you are dead. I'm sorry this person's expectations were so low, but it's really because they are part of the people who can't play their jobs to an acceptable level. It's just appalling some people are getting carried along with their unacceptable damage they finally hit a wall and want to blame others for their problems.

I'd like a personal parse at the end of a fight to show you how you did - and perhaps, since it's watching your rotation anyway, tell you what you could do better.

I still think an Allagan control room (with Faust at the helm) where you could simulate battles would be FANTASTIC.

You know, this tier's "Faust" is ExDeath in O4S. Good and bad in a way. See I kind of miss A1S Faust a bit because that kept the bad players out of Gordias Savage for awhile. He was the dummy that you had to put everything in. Even if you came in there without a Ravana Extreme weapon, you were automatically unworthy.

Now we get an O1S that can be road-killed pretty easily so bad dps players just keep moving on.

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Originally Posted by Centershock

That's just it. Toxic behavior (not just on parsers but

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If youve ever played pvp why is it Iv never once heard someone call someone else out for having 0 kills 0 damage on another player, and like 10 damage on ice, and like five deaths. This is what everyone can see after, a pvp match is over so why can they show us everything aside from damage per second in pvp. So how can they have a cery system in the game that tracks everything in pvp, but yet nothing at all in pve that just seems backwards to me because alot of people use pve more. If such a system didnt exist I wouldnt of even made this post, because I know yoshi has even walked out of an interview about about questions about a parser.

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Originally Posted by bswpayton

If youve ever played pvp why is it Iv never once heard someone call someone else out for having 0 kills 0 damage on another player, and like 10 damage on ice, and like five deaths.

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Of course PvP now has even simpler two-button DPS rotations, so that doesn't help a lot.

I've also actually reported certain people who do nothing in PvP, because in a sense they were getting carried to victories or contributing a lot to losses. The logs are there, you are there as a healer but you put up 0 healing? DPS but no damage anywhere on the scoreboard? We know for sure the GMs take The Feast even more seriously since its ranked, and data center prizes are on-the-line.

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Originally Posted by Maku

This game feeds you your rotation. The little boxes sparkle when they are comboable.
If someone can't look at a potency and know that 2 is larger than 1 then they have a more major issue than bad math. These forums have several threads about optimal DPS rotations. They can't use parsers officially because that gives an official way to segregate players.

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Blizzard III>fire I > blizzard III> fire I > .. was found in Dv4N, so yeah it is an issue, skill gap too big. This means to some people, the rotation is not "fed" to, I seen other extremely low dps, but this sticks out to talk about. I really wish they had some kind of tutorial for people, like during the 70 quest, that people have to pass before getting the last ability or something, to give them an idea on proper rotations.

It's not needed. The people who want to clear are able to clear. Stay out of pugs and stop trying to simplify everything and or put down the people around you.

My main has been bard since day one. Since its a job based around rng, it boggles my mind that people play bard and don't die inside without a parser.

With so much variance in our dps, it drives me crazy not knowing what my crit rate is, if applying my dots before anything else or getting straight shot up first on my opener makes a huge difference, or if this gear I just got with 40 less crit but only 3 more DEX really made any kind of substantial difference.

Even worse with the huge variance, is not knowing if your group dps is up to snuff. If an engagement requires 18k dps (not real numbers) and your group is only mustering 15k, but you are doing 4k of it, then you know already that this group can't do it. Give them a few tries while they learn the fight, but ultimately, you save yourself an hour wasted.

I'd love for someone to find fault in what I'm saying.

Sometimes some encouragement and rallying will bring out the best out of the team you are trying with. I've had runs that were down to the wire on time remaining and we would squeeze out a win. DPS numbers are not going to tell you it can't/can happen... That's a judgmental decision you are making whether right or wrong, but you won't know for sure without staying and trying till time runs out.

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Originally Posted by Mycow8me

Sometimes some encouragement .

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I dont think Ive ever been on a run where I was the first to leave if so it could of been once, but I have seen the other side of the fence, when I was on pc. Running Act is such an amazing way to play, you can see every bosses health, you can see every trash mobs health, even in dungeons I remember running as a dps tryin to compete the whole way with the other dps to see who would out dps who at the end. This just made the game so much more fun to me personally, I never once ever called someone out for their dps for one I main tanks, and I wouldnt even play a dps in to many instances that are considered challenge.

So to me if you are in a raid or ex primal you especially at this point with all the gear locks your bringing your very best job your comfortable on, then if your on your best job I dont see why you wouldnt wana know what if your doing a good job or not. Like I mention all through this thread I know we aint getting no parser, but an end result tally of everything just like in pvp, I dont see the issue here

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Originally Posted by Mycow8me

DPS numbers are not going to tell you it can't/can happen... but you won't know for sure without staying and trying till time runs out.

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No, they tell you what you need to know.
If they are stubborn, they will know that for sure, after the time will run out.
Again, small quote from my previous post:

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For example, if your raid DPS is around 20k on O3S, you will not clear it. Dying or not doesn't have anything to do with it. If a raid DPS is around 20K without anyone dying and people doing mechanics correctly, that group still will not be able to clear O3S due to minimal Raid DPS requirement, which is around 23K (if i remember correctly, maybe +/- 500).

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Either people accept it, will try to improve gear/rotation/start using pots/food/etc or they will just waste their time in Wiping City of Savage.
Willpower/whatever will not help them on that matter.

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Originally Posted by HyoMinPark

Tbh, this is applicable even in V1S/V2S. I've done a few PFs trying to help some friends clear after seeing enrage multiple times, and some of the groups I have been in just don't have the overall raid DPS to clear the fight. Even in groups where there haven't been excessive deaths, there just wasn't enough outgoing DPS to clear the fights. This could be due to any number of things (gear, rotations, laziness of party members, etc.).

So this just goes back to what I said in my original response to this individual that meeting enrage is far more than just "not dying and pressing 1-2-3."

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Agreed. It's just that the difficulty of O1S and O2S is not that high, compared to O3S and further.
p.s. This refers to a very old discussion, that parsers should be available in Savage as built-in feature.

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Originally Posted by Zeonsilt

will try to improve gear/rotation/start using pots/food/etc or they will just waste their time in Wiping City of Savage.

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Numbers are not capable of telling you if its possible, you solved it yourself. People are able to improve and their are more options. If after a few tries you see DPS numbers not being enough and decide it won't happen. You have made a decision that you believe is right, that does not mean it is right though.

Why do people instantly draw the line at player ignorance/rotation issues/errors... Some people just don't learn as fast as others but are still capable. You saw DPS numbers for a run and decided its not going to happen. That is your decision, again whether right or wrong. It might not happen during the first run or 5 runs after but it could happen somewhere down the line. The real problem is impatience or your own time constraints due to real life. Some people have the personality of "I hate losing", then there are others like me who enjoy the struggle. I don't look at it as an hour wasted, I look at it as an hour gaming and offering my input to others struggling.

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Originally Posted by Mycow8me

Numbers are not capable of telling you if its possible, you solved it yourself. People are able to improve and their are more options. If after a few tries you see DPS numbers not being enough and decide it won't happen. You have made a decision that you believe is right, that does not mean it is right though.

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We need more people like you ha cause Im not gona lie puggin is ruff youll put pratice party on your party finder, and do one pull it fails someone is leaving right off the bat. I can def tell the difference when a group stays to the wire most of the time you get progress through the whole fight.

Thats what sucks about pugging usually one person leaves it creates a trickle effect , little do people know your next run you end up clearing but they where just to impatient. But again a parse is so you understand whats normal for your job the game doesnt tell you now that its storm blood ur job should be doing 3 k to 4 k damage as a dps a parse will do that. Like even with me as a tank when Im learning and I panic on my pali I will use clemecy more than my nuke hs, with no parse I have no idea how much damage Im actually losing by playing so safe. Its a helpful tool, and I feel would only make gaming alot better cause I personally enjoyed playing with it in the pass.

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Originally Posted by Kosmos992k

Going by this and the OP, all I can say is that in this case you're both making it very clear that parsers would turn the game into the MMORPG equivalent of painting by numbers. There's no skill or judgement involved in painting by numbers, just following the numbers. People decry the skill of players already. How will parsers help increase skill when they encourage slavishly following specific rotations and timings - effectively painting by numbers? That reduces the skill needed to that of memorizing a routine and never deviating.

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Generally speaking, there aren't many optimal rotations. If you want to play optimally, it already is a "paint by numbers." Parsing has nothing to do with that.

Parsers are merely a tool that allow you to see your damage output. They don't dictate which rotation you decide to employ. If you are okay with playing sub-optimally and think something like 3.5k is passable, cool. The parser doesn't say "ERROR! THIS ISN'T THE MAX POSSIBLE OPTIMIZATION YOU RAGING SCRUB LORD."

Personally, I really struggle to do Momo's SAM rotation, for instance - but if the parser is telling me I am doing over 4k with my janky rotation, then I say "cool - good enough for now."

That's really all there is to it. Parsers aren't scary. Parsers don't make people a-holes. Some people just are a-holes.

Im somewhat against parsing because the word has assumed the responsibility of analyzing a group of people to decide who is a weakest link or whether or not a fight is possible (like some of the people in this thread are doing). A tool that someone could use for self improvement or even a real time tool for motivation like a DPS bar would be an amazing addition to the game. A parser could be used for the same reason but how often is it really, lets be honest. It does not help playstation users at all unless they have a good friend on PC that can tell them data and a parser is not going to help someone with rotation issues beyond letting them see an output without knowing how it could be improved. During battle a DPS bar could actually show you how your doing if you decide to try something else, especially when motion mechanics are brought into play for cooldown timings. Boss vulerability ups, any number of things that just takes time to learn. Look at classes like Blackmage that literally have to learn best placements on the battleground for different times in the fights and when to use skills like ley lines to get the most affect out of it. Not every job has the same learning curve for raids.

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Originally Posted by bswpayton

youll put practice party on your party finder, and do one pull it fails someone is leaving right off the bat.

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People create "Practice party" to learn mechanics, learn the flow of the fight and such. No one will expect a "Top DPS" numbers from people in that party and it's only purpose is to "learn".
I've been in a numerous practice parties with a good friend of mine and all of them was alright. No flame, people discussed tactics, team setups and other stuff.
Guess it's still a matter of luck(with people you encounter) in the end :/

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Originally Posted by F_Maximillian

For what it's worth, most of the people against parsers seem to not do the only content that parsers are relevant for. Coincidence? I think not. .

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Generally speaking I'm not against parsers. I'm against the general communities belief into what they believe parsers tell them.

It's something you see in almost every single thread that comes up. For example many people want a parser so they can measure there rotations dps and find how much potential one rotation has over another. However the tools to do that are already provided in the game. SSS and it's 4.0 equivalent. The problem is players aren't using them.

Contrary to the communities general belief. Parsers do not work for this purpose because in a fight there's to many variables to get an accurate measure of your potential or comparison of one rotation versus another. If you want accurate results you need to eliminate all variables except that which you are testing.

Parsers can not even be used for comparitive measures for the same reason. Far to many variables involved to get accurate results. If I went on fflogs and saw the top ninja doing 5k in a fight and my ninja only does 3.5k it doesn't tell me anything useful. Nor does it mean I should be doing 5k dps myself. I might have lower gear, less melds. No food or pots. A totally different party composition. Any number of things could account for that huge variance.

You also see people ask for personal parses only. Which only further shows that players really don't know what a parser actually tells them... Because coming out of o1s just knowing you did 4k dps doesn't mean anything. The next run you might play exactly the same and only get 3k dps because of a different party set up. So just having that personal dps number at the end would would be useless. Why did I only get 3k this week? last week I got 4k what the hell happened??

Parsers also don't provide any measure of that performance. Knowing you did x amount of dpsis useless if you don't know what you could have done...

Hey you did 4k dps in that fight! What does that mean? Is that good or bad or what. Who knows..

Where if it said
Hey you did 4k dps in that fight you could have done 4.5k! Oh that's pretty good then.

Or even Hey you did 4k dps that fight you could have done 8k! You suck

Without a measure of your potential knowing what you actually did is meaningless. And parsers cannot tell you your potential because there's far to many variables concerned.

This is why I'm currently against parsers in game because players simply don't understand what the Information a parser provides actually means or how to interpret it correctly. If and when that changes then i'll be all for adding them

On the subject of enraged timers I'm generally not a fan. If a group of players is able to make progress all be it slow and hold together till the boss is dead that should count. However when your group is doing ok and the boss just says screw you at like 5 or 6% for example that's just disheartening and frustrating. And ultimately puts A lot of people off trying again.

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Originally Posted by Dzian

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But you can see how good you are relative to other people in any given content.

You just have to parse + employ the use of the Site Which Must Not Be Named.

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Originally Posted by missybee

But you can see how good you are relative to other people in any given content.

You just have to parse + employ the use of the Site Which Must Not Be Named.

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Just like Dzian said, that doesn't mean anything if you don't understand the why. People are mainly only interested in seeing how much DPS they did in any given run. Said Voldemort site has turned into a leaderboard for this reason and makes little use of tools like 'let's see how this raid positions everything in the fight' or 'why did __ class hold/use __, but parsed higher than me?' or 'let me try this person's rotation on this fight.'

'Cause you can do all of that and more with that site. Things that you generally don't see just having a parser, which is all this thread is asking for.

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Yeah, I suppose that is true.

For me personally, if I see myself in a decent-ish percentile it's like "hey, I'm not the worst!"

I guess it boils down to what you are looking for. If you want to see what numbers the best of the best are pulling, however, I guess it is nice that there is a means to do so?

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Originally Posted by JunseiKei

Just like Dzian said, that doesn't mean anything if you don't understand the why. People are mainly only interested in seeing how much DPS they did in any given run.

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But Im not asking for a parse Im asking for whats already in the game a system like the pvp one , Even tho Id love act to be in the game but I know SE has a hard stand on that. But you cant truely think that these short enrages with no timers is ok and yet we know nothing at all. Hec we dont even know how much death effects our dps, we are 100 percent blinde at least a parse brings light to the darkness right now we got nothing. I asked for a health bar with a number figure of health, an enrage timer, and something like pvp style at the end that shows ur damage per second etc. Im not askin for something like act I know we want get anything of the sort, but they have shown with what they have in pvp that they are very capable of showing dps at the end of a fight.

you can test how much dmg death takes away by spending some time with a dummy, castrum oriens is a good place to start

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Originally Posted by Remedi

you can test how much dmg death takes away by spending some time with a dummy, castrum oriens is a good place to start

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dummies tell nothing but that you reach the right gear lvl I never did a12s I didnt even consider tryin to raid until now , and I did the dummy on my pali and warrior , and I wasnt clearing a12s cause I didnt know the fight tells you nothing at all. Now if we had simulators and a dummy now that would be a different thing if we had actual mechanics going on while we used the training dummy them Id say they actually where credible. But just an sss dummy is nothing more than a dummy with a health bard doesnt account for death nor mechanics which is the thing that happens in harder content.

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Originally Posted by bswpayton

dummies tell nothing but that you reach the right gear lvl I never did a12s I didnt even consider tryin to raid until now , and I did the dummy on my pali and warrior , and I wasnt clearing a12s cause I didnt know the fight tells you nothing at all. Now if we had simulators and a dummy now that would be a different thing if we had actual mechanics going on while we used the training dummy them Id say they actually where credible. But just an sss dummy is nothing more than a dummy with a health bard doesnt account for death nor mechanics which is the thing that happens in harder content.

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The SSS dummies tell you a lot.

They tell you how much base damage you should be capable of doing on your job at the I level the dummy is tuned to. (Base damage because it doesn't factor party buffs and stuff)

They also tell you how far above or below that level your damage currently is and whether or not your up to the standards required to clear that content. (Can't beat it in time limit? your below the standard required. Beat it with 10 or 15 seconds left on the clock? Your above the standard required)

And finally they tell you whether or not you have the potential to take on a peace of content and clear it in the first place.

From there your job in the actual content is trying to get as close to that potential as possible whilst dealing with the mechanics and things around you.

So the dummies actually tell you quote a lot. If more people bothered to use them before taking on harder contents they'd probably find much higher success rates.

I kinda wish there was a raid/party finder option that made them mandatory. If you can't beat the relevant dummy you can't join the party.

At least that way you'd know everyone at least had the potential to clear it.