BLM needs some love and RDM needs a nerf

You are factoring a full pyshical group, something that is not the norm. Usually is 2 casters/2 phys and with the tank damage nerf (not even counting pala that is sometimes casting and not using the buff in that case), you could say that is a relatively minor benefit compared with things like trick atack, without mentioning that it requires a good ammount of coordination to get the best of the 4 seconds of 10% damage

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Originally Posted by Yorumi

When and where did I say any of this?

That said you clearly don't understand how the math of things work. The cooldown is irrelevant, the skill will be used and it will result in a dps increase for as many as 6members(the rdm, 3 phy dps, 2 tanks). That dps can be indirectly attributed to the rdm. Because of this blm needs a dps increase. I never once mentioned how this is achieved, I was talking pure theory about balance.

Right now rdm does more damage than any blm without factoring in embolden. If you don't understand the very basic, most trivial elements of balance you really don't have much business contributing to the thread.

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I Fully understand balance but you make it seem like RDM's are destroying BLM, which isnt the case and i already said if they lower rdm's dps to take in count embolden people other than you wont even look at that cause its a general buff, they will just look at the rdms dps and just go eww you're doing something wrong. Your theory is perfect world no one contributes their dps to buffs given by other jobs they just go look at the parse and epeen. They dont say oh but i had a brd or ast buff.

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Originally Posted by Bhearil

You are factoring a full pyshical group, something that is not the norm. Usually is 2 casters/2 phys and with the tank damage nerf (not even counting pala that is sometimes casting and not using the buff in that case), you could say that is a relatively minor benefit compared with things like trick atack, without mentioning that it requires a good ammount of coordination to get the best of the 4 seconds of 10% damage

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Even if you were to use this setup though embolden still adds a good bit more dps on top of a class that's already beating the other casters, that doesn't make sense.

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Originally Posted by sylvestew

I Fully understand balance but you make it seem like RDM's are destroying BLM, which isnt the case and i already said id they lower rdm's dps to take in count embolden people other rthan you wont even look at that cause its a general buff and your theory is perfect world

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In another thread someone suggested emblden is around a 1.2% dps increase over the raid. I havn't mathed it out exactly but that's probably accurate enough. Using that figure a rdm is contributing around 10-20% more damage than a blm or smn. You can claim you understand balance but clearly you don't. You keep saying you see nothing wrong with a class doing more dps than another and also providing a raid wide damage buff on top of that. No one who understands balance would say that.

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Originally Posted by sylvestew

You talk as if embolden has no CD

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Embolden will be up every 2 minutes its diminishing returns is due to the fact it can buff 6 players for 20 straight seconds. Only buff that exceeds it is an rng produced spread - balance.

Its not about raising the ceiling or favoritism its about basic logic from people who think efficiently. Why bring a blm if rdm can produce roughly the same results for less stress, better mobility and greater utility?

Blm dps takes time to actually get better and requires a lot of practice of the when and where and even then theyre never guaranteed everything. RDM, albeit slightly lower dummy dps, will generally beat an equally skilled blm in a practical setting due to less rooting, self buffing, better dps opportunities and utility such as fast raises, addle, dps buffs and etc.

See that's where you are wrong, I never said I was ok with a BLM doing less than a RDM. I said a good BLM should always out DPS a good RDM, now if you say we differ on by how much that's fine, then you can throw in Balance, conditions and etc. I also said if thats not the case BLM should get a buff. However I am ok with a good Rdm out DPS'ing a BAD BLM, I dont need a bunch of bad players running around just because they have ok dps. Which is what SE does alot they nerf things to make the bad feel viable.

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Originally Posted by sylvestew

I also said if thats not the case BLM should get a buff. However I am ok with a good Rdm out DPS'ing a BAD BLM, I dont need a bunch of bad players running around just because they have ok dps. Which is what SE does alot they nerf things to make the bad feel viable.

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What's the point of even posting that? Like is there anyone in the entire universe that believes good players shouldn't do better than bad players?

Blm in fact they do more dps than Rdm, but right now we are on Susano, the Titan fight Stormblood version that forces everyone to do a lot of movement. Its logical that rdm will fare better under such heavy movement fight.

Also, no one is mentioning that Rdm has the worst mp recovery of all casters. If by some reason the rdm is down with lucid dream on cd unless he receives external mp recovery, hes gonna be dry in around 30 seconds. And following that, both heal and revive spells are quite costly mp wise so its not like he can use them too often, even ignoring the dps lose

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Originally Posted by Yorumi

What's the point of even posting that? Like is there anyone in the entire universe that believes good players shouldn't do better than bad players?

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That was my original point that i don't think that it will be as bad as everyone think it will be in Omega because both ex's are super movement heavy and blm's that know the fight are on par with rdm's that don't suffer as bad for movement., but if it is the case even in omega and thats how all the fights are gonna be BLM should get a buff. Thats when the whole balance tangent occurred and the whole why wait.

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Originally Posted by Bhearil

Also, no one is mentioning that Rdm has the worst mp recovery of all casters. If by some reason the rdm is down with lucid dream on cd unless he receives external mp recovery, hes gonna be dry in around 30 seconds. And following that, both heal and revive spells are quite costly mp wise so its not like he can use them too often, even ignoring the dps lose

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Rdm has the worst mp recovery but thr best mp economy of all the casters. Its spells at 70 cost very little at 14000 mp, LD is up every 2 minutes and restores more than a rdm can possibly lose unless the go full mass raises which shouldnt even happen lately.

Onlu possible way it can bottom out is if they die, LD is on CD and no one makeshifts it. Even then its hardly punished.

Even as a red mage main, I do think red mage needs a damage nerf. Not a big one, just a small one to ensure they're below black mage and summoner. If red mage does the same damage then there's no reason to take the other two over it because red mage brings more to the raid.

Most survivability. Vercure provides great sustainability when healers are preoccupied.
Most mobility. Half of their casts are instant.
Best rezzer. Even better than the actual healers.
Embolden is the only good caster damage utility buff.

It's totally unfair.

As someone who has played all 3, my thoughts are that if ANY of the magic DPS needs some love it's SMN.

However, even then I don't think any of them are so far gone that they can't be redeemed--all 3 are playable.

BLM should get some CD/damage buffs. It SHOULD be the highest magical damage dealer at the cost of utility.

RDM is just fine where it is, although I personally wouldn't mind a small (like 20 potency) Scatter buff.

SMN Bane should revert back to 3.x. Buff Misama/Bio potency by either extending time or actual damage dealt. Remove the damage scaling on Deathflare.


Just my 2 cents. :D

I'm not sure why everyone is so focused on potency buffs/nerfs. Rdm has the lowest damage potential of the casters on a dummy parse. It's right behind smn, and both are a ways behind blm.

I agree blm needs some love, but there's nothing wrong with its damage potential. Any adjustments should focus on better equipping the class to realize that potential on strenuous fights. Just adding more potency on top will throw things way out of balance on turret fights, and knee-jerk nerfing rdm even lower will ensure that it will never have competitive damage, even when played properly.

With harder rotations, blm and smn may also need more time to perform to thier potential, but this doesn't seem like an issue of potency to me.

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Originally Posted by Symon17

I'm not sure why everyone is so focused on potency buffs/nerfs. Rdm has the lowest damage potential of the casters on a dummy parse..

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See dummy parses should never be taken seriously beyond perfect scenario situations. RDM ST pps is right up there with BLMs in burst, the thing is RDM is the least affected by movement of the three which means its sustained dps doesnt suffer as much or at all in comparison.

Dummy parses =/= practical application. Movement, phase changes etc can drop the damage of those who have tightly required systems or required rooting. Something rdm does not suffer from.

I think people are trying to be burst-potency nuts, when each job has different purposes in terms of damage.

BLM is the SAM of the casters, hitting the hardest per cast and having no true need for build up. It's a very "selfish" job, with its utility affecting itself, such as the very useful Umbral Hearts allowing three additional Fire IVs in our rotation, just like Convert does, but another one. Its rotation in fact became easier in Stormblood!

SMN is the DRG, decent damage, but a long, very easily and harshly punished build up into a big pile of "bugger off," where at the highest levels of gameplay and higher skilled players, is far greater than what anyone else had to offer.

RDM... is the MNK and MCH's drunken one night stand baby that turned into a successful business person. It uses massive bursts in small amounts of time, something done by using Dualcast, but needs RNG to get its full potential.If it dies, it loses much of its build up, but it can easily get it back.

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Originally Posted by Psycofang

See dummy parses should never be taken seriously beyond perfect scenario situations. RDM ST pps is right up there with BLMs in burst, the thing is RDM is the least affected by movement of the three which means its sustained dps doesnt suffer as much or at all in comparison.

Dummy parses =/= practical application. Movement, phase changes etc can drop the damage of those who have tightly required systems or required rooting. Something rdm does not suffer from.

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I agree that parses aren't the end-all-be-all, and practical fights should definitely be taken into account when balancing. That's why I stand behind adjusting the classes in a way that better allows them to reach their potential in real situations. I also think we need to consider long term when making decisions. A class with a simpler rotation will hit its peak much faster.

Classes like BLM and SMN will take a bit more time to see players reaching those higher numbers, but it doesn't mean that day won't come. Buffing and nerfing potencies now just means that once people master fights with the new BLM and SMN, their numbers will be through the roof, and RDM will have an unfairly low potential by comparison.

The best way to fix blm is to literally just lower the CDs on triple and leylines. That will artificially but effectively increase their relative and practical pps in a real scenario.

SMN? Dunno how to fix that and potency buffs doesnt fix how ruthless them missing an aetherflow ability is or popping baha too late/soon.

Its hard to not train wreck that job.

Umm... BLM isn't "supposed to be" close to any Melee DPS in damage. The heirarchy goes:

Melee DPS = King of damage
Caster DPS = Queen of damage
Ranged DPS = Joker of damage

This is due to required positioning, distance and skill/spell times.

Now, I haven't tested it, but if BLM is doing significantly less damage than RDM, then they should be buffed to RDM levels, yes. But BLM should most definitely not be at SAM levels.

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Originally Posted by Kaedan

Umm... BLM isn't "supposed to be" close to any Melee DPS in damage. The heirarchy goes:

Melee DPS = King of damage
Caster DPS = Queen of damage
Ranged DPS = Joker of damage

This is due to required positioning, distance and skill/spell times.

Now, I haven't tested it, but if BLM is doing significantly less damage than RDM, then they should be buffed to RDM levels, yes. But BLM should most definitely not be at SAM levels.

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It seems like Square Enix disagrees. BLM has the second highest damage potential in the game and is expected to output numbers comparable to SAM. It was like that in 3.X too, only with BLM~MNK.

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Originally Posted by Blonde_Huntress

As someone who has played all 3, my thoughts are that if ANY of the magic DPS needs some love it's SMN.
However, even then I don't think any of them are so far gone that they can't be redeemed--all 3 are playable.
BLM should get some CD/damage buffs. It SHOULD be the highest magical damage dealer at the cost of utility.
RDM is just fine where it is, although I personally wouldn't mind a small (like 20 potency) Scatter buff.
SMN Bane should revert back to 3.x. Buff Misama/Bio potency by either extending time or actual damage dealt. Remove the damage scaling on Deathflare.
Just my 2 cents.

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TBH if you think RDM is just fine where it is then you are completely wrong.
BLM Fire4/Bliz4 pot 260 and RDM valaero/thunder plus proc stone either fire or jolt2 is 300+270 (plus proc is 50% chance)
even BLM have leylines that reduce spell casting time it still DOESN'T match the DPS where the RDM is going.
I think they need to reduce the RDM pot to 240 and 260 level (because the dual casting) then we can talk again or simply reduce the proc chance from 50% to 30%.
Although RDM playstyle is right at it should be that's true.
Also Scatter is good enough as it should be.

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Originally Posted by Psycofang

The best way to fix blm is to literally just lower the CDs on triple and leylines. That will artificially but effectively increase their relative and practical pps in a real scenario.
SMN? Dunno how to fix that and potency buffs doesnt fix how ruthless them missing an aetherflow ability is or popping baha too late/soon.
Its hard to not train wreck that job.

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If they are not going to put BLM Fire4/Bliz4 pot back as it where should be then lower the CDs on leylines is a good thing to do or extend the duration is a good way too.
since we have between the lines but when you dodge AoE and teleport back then realize the time is going off quickly

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Originally Posted by ZeroAmano

TBH if you think RDM is just fine where it is then you are completely wrong.
BLM Fire4/Bliz4 pot 260 and RDM valaero/thunder plus proc stone either fire or jolt2 is 300+270 (plus proc is 50% chance)

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You... don't understand how Astral Fire works, do you? And I'm guessing you never use Thundercloud?

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Originally Posted by ZeroAmano

TBH if you think RDM is just fine where it is then you are completely wrong.
BLM Fire4/Bliz4 pot 260 and RDM valaero/thunder plus proc stone either fire or jolt2 is 300+270 (plus proc is 50% chance)
even BLM have leylines that reduce spell casting time it still DOESN'T match the DPS where the RDM is going.
I think they need to reduce the RDM pot to 240 and 260 level (because the dual casting) then we can talk again or simply reduce the proc chance from 50% to 30%.
Although RDM playstyle is right at it should be that's true.
Also Scatter is good enough as it should be.

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They tried it at 30% while it was still in development, obviously changed since the mana gauge would charge way too slow. Your math is wrong, jolt 2 is only 240 potency. If you think RDM playstyle is fine now, then you cannot change the proc rate of Stone/Fire since then it would slow way down between burst phases. Don't forget BLM also has a constant 5% magic damage buff, if we speak purely in terms of potency, the two Fire 4's fired off in the same time as Jolt 2 and Aero/Thunder ends up at 546, slightly ahead of RDM.

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Originally Posted by ZeroAmano

TBH if you think RDM is just fine where it is then you are completely wrong.
BLM Fire4/Bliz4 pot 260 and RDM valaero/thunder plus proc stone either fire or jolt2 is 300+270 (plus proc is 50% chance)
even BLM have leylines that reduce spell casting time it still DOESN'T match the DPS where the RDM is going.
I think they need to reduce the RDM pot to 240 and 260 level (because the dual casting) then we can talk again or simply reduce the proc chance from 50% to 30%.
Although RDM playstyle is right at it should be that's true.
Also Scatter is good enough as it should be.

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It doesn't make sense to pick two random spells from each job's roster and compare potency. A job's potential damage is determined by it's entire kit being used together optimally. Otherwise we could say "Warrior's fell cleave does 500 potency, and it can do it five times in a row! It's not fair to mages! Nerf it!"

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It doesn't make sense to pick two random spells from each job's roster and compare potency. A job's potential damage is determined by it's entire kit being used together optimally. Otherwise we could say "Warrior's fell cleave does 500 potency, and it can do it five times in a row! It's not fair to mages! Nerf it!"

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Techincally, Warrior's Fell Cleave made BLACK MAGE look unfair, due to the way Astral Fire works with potency. You can't trust the potency given by the tooltip, since they're "base" potencies.

Back in HW (and maybe still now), Astral Fire affects damage like this:

1 stack: 40% increased damage (1.4x)
2 stacks: 60% increased damage (1.6x)
3 stacks: 80% increased damage (1.8x)

And old Fire IV was its base potency of 280. This meant our base, bread and butter attack spell was 504 (529after Enochian) potency when all things were said and done, equivalent to an OFF COOLDOWN NUKE.

Fire IV's potency nerf looks a little bad, now at 468 (though technically 491 after you remember Enochian is a thing), but no less formidable. Plenty to catch up with the 570 potency per Dualcast, though we can put out 468 per cast without waiting 2.3-2.5s for recast afterward.

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Originally Posted by EllieShadeflare

You... don't understand how Astral Fire works, do you? And I'm guessing you never use Thundercloud?

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481potency per (at current) 2.73s vs 270+300 in 1.87s + recast.

Thunder 3 is 340 in 24s vs fleche is 420 per 25s
-Thundercloud procs are random and should never be applied to static numbers otherwise we have to start using luck in metric measurements.
But anyway 340+340 (at + 24s) so long as tc proc has time to run its course its 720p

Corte is 300 per 45s

420+300 is 720p

RDM can match a thunder cloud proc at optimal usage every 50 seconds.

Only thing RDM doesnt have a true answer for is foul (685p) vs RDMs holy/flare(550-605p (buffed)) not counting the full buffed and unbuffed combo with fleche and corte weaved.

Foul literally carries blm static dps but its still falling behind due to lack of avaliable speed.

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Originally Posted by EllieShadeflare

Techincally, Warrior's Fell Cleave made BLACK MAGE look unfair, due to the way Astral Fire works with potency. You can't trust the potency given by the tooltip, since they're "base" potencies.

Back in HW (and maybe still now), Astral Fire affects damage like this:

1 stack: 40% increased damage (1.4x)
2 stacks: 60% increased damage (1.6x)
3 stacks: 80% increased damage (1.8x)

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Oh I know! I used to main BLM. I just thought getting into it would complicate the point.

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Originally Posted by PrismaticDaybreak

240 potency. If you think RDM playstyle is fine now, then you cannot change the proc rate of Stone/Fire since then it would slow way down between burst phases. Don't forget BLM also has a constant 5% magic damage buff, if we speak purely in terms of potency, the two Fire 4's fired off in the same time as Jolt 2 and Aero/Thunder ends up at 546, slightly ahead of RDM.

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Even if we dont use verfire/aero (270p)

But jolt 2 instead is still 240+300 on a bad streak is still 540p which is stronger than 1 f4 and casted under the time it takes to cast a fire 4..

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Originally Posted by Psycofang

Even if we dont use verfire/aero (270p)

But jolt 2 instead is still 240+300 on a bad streak is still 540p which is stronger than 1 f4 and casted under the time it takes to cast a fire 4..

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Honestly I'm not particularly sure why they reduced the damage of F4 and B4 either way considering they're supposed to be the low/no utility damage dealer. Seems like a hasty decision based off of the fact that enochian is essentially permanent as long as the BLM is decent at the job.

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I'll address each point.

491potency per (at current) 2.73s vs 270+300 in 1.87s + recast.

When you put it like that, sure, it looks impressive for RDM, but remember, we get two casts every time you recast, due to it being a slight wait, as you trade consistency + mechanics for build up and big bursts. Black Mages can have a second Fire IV on the way, whilst Red Mages still wait to complete their spell.

Thunder 3 is 340 in 24s vs fleche is 420 per 25s
-Thundercloud procs are random and should never be applied to static numbers otherwise we have to start using luck in metric measurements.
But anyway 340+340 (at + 24s) so long as tc proc has time to run its course its 720p
Corte is 300 per 45s

420+300 is 720p

RDM can match a thunder cloud proc at optimal usage every 50 seconds.

Okay, but your number for Thundercloud is entirely off, so that disqualifies your entire argument. The initial potency of Thunder III is 70. And tics occur every 3 seconds, causing a whopping 320 potency, so it's actually 390 potency when it proc's. 409.5 after you apply Enochian (which why aren't you?). While the proc chance is random, at 10% per tic, it's still a rather high chance, plus anyone worth their salt launches Thunder III using Sharpcast, for a confirmed Thundercloud, especially now that the Fire sharpcast meta is gone. This makes this more like 1139 (after both Thunderclouds, plus the second effect's full dot) instead of 720 like you claim.

Only thing RDM doesnt have a true answer for is foul (685p) vs RDMs holy/flare(550-605p (buffed)) not counting the full buffed and unbuffed combo with fleche and corte weaved.

Foul being an AoE and a 30s cooldown, versus that massive burst combo that Red Mage gets. Again, you get big tantrums of burst, versus the consistent death that BLM brings.

Foul literally carries blm static dps but its still falling behind due to lack of avaliable speed

BLM is just a consistent caster, but equally equipped RDMs and BLMs will make the same DPS, because of the RDM's tantrums and BLM's consistency.

SMNs are somehow more consistent than Black Mages, but also more tantrummy than RDM, so they still have good potential too.

Yeah i was coming to correct thunder yes its 409 but to beat the Rdm equivalent requires luck and has 0 place in static discussion.

Also sharp casting t3 is situational as it cannot be applied at a constant unlike fleche corte which are instant and can be applied almost anywhere.

Also i feel your recast argument is flawed

BLM has a second fire 4 on the way .23s (or at current my recast us 2.3 but cast is 2.73 soim actually .43 over the gcd) past the global whereas RDM is directly on it since the cast is directly front loaded like a melee attack.

This means rdm can pump out 240+300 and 270+300 in 1.87 + 2.3 bs blm 2.73 + 2.73


Rdm is 4.17s vs blm 5.46

Certainly, the time difference is noticable, but our DPS will still be higher per two casts. Remember, you're still waiting by the time the second Fire IV hits, so it's 540/570 potency every 4.17 vs 982 potency every 5.46.

As for Thunder III's randomness, yes, it's inconsistent due to RNG, but that makes up for its massive power. And Sharpcast T3 is only as situational as having a guaranteed proc every 60s is. I mean, it's not like Verstone and Verfire lack their own (albeit, more guaranteed) procs. Saying Thunder III has no place in discussion is malarkey due to its necessity as a second burst in the BLM's arsenal, one that can be repeatedly spammed when obtained, and is only balanced by the fact that it's RNG-based.

Just ran the numbers through in the time it takes for rdm in 1 minute to pull 5040p in 29.19 (not counting repeated 50% procs) all bad rolls + 4740 in 28.91s

Blm pulls 5514p in 29.19s + 5195 in another 28.91

So blm deals 10708 to RDMs 9780 personal dps (not counting raid dps or buffed potencies from embolden gained nor double emboldened finishers nor manafication)

This under the assumption blm doesnt need to wait nor needs to move blm maintains a 928 potency lead without buffs taken into account.

Everytime blm has to move(like in susano or generally any raid) they lose 481 potency and are pushed closer to a 333p reset a 0p transpose (dear jesus) or a 320 reset. All it takes it 2 - 3 forced movements to lose the lead or a bad server tick + 2 forced movements.

For every movement and required cast rdm gains 540/570 on blm or worse

If i do account for leylines + triple in 2 rotations on an opener its

Blm pulls 6732p vs rdms 6480 ending at 77 W and 90 B

So 1 GCD to enter melee state
Itll take blm 39.98s to pull 7417p and 30.44 to pull 4839p

Vs RDM 6480p in in the same time and 4701+540+570 during rotation 2 in 21.04s leaving a s gap to fit 1 540p set and 1 570p set in 8.34s using a double embolden and CDs not counting bonus raid damage applied to melees.

With CDs applied personal dps is blm 12256 vs rdm 11181.6 + 2 melee + tank raid dps.

This is why i feel like the recast on triple and leylines should be reduced.

Call me simplistic but am I the only one looking at the parses and wondering what the devil some people are complaining about? BLM does more damage than RDM potentially but RDM can surpass them on fights like Lakshmi which are huge AoE dumps and highly demanding movement requirements. So... What is the problem exactly?

Different classes do better/worse at different encounters and if you look at the numbers, the difference is trivial to say the least. I am really not grasping this whole logic of why BLM must be the top caster of every single fight or sky going to suddenly start falling.

IMO, the only casters that have any grounds to complain is SMN and even that is less to do with the damage output and more about how sadistically unforgiving it is to play.

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Call me simplistic but am I the only one looking at the parses and wondering what the devil some people are complaining about? BLM does more damage than RDM potentially but RDM can surpass them on fights like Lakshmi which are huge AoE dumps and require a whole heap of movement. So... What is the problem exactly?

Different classes do better/worse at different encounters and if you look at the numbers, the difference is trivial to say the least. I am really not grasping this whole logic of why BLM must be the top caster of every single fight or sky going to suddenly start falling.

IMO, the only casters that have any grounds to complain is SMN and even that is less to do with the damage output and more about how sadistically unforgiving it is to play.

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RDM also has (potent, instant) cure, (instant) raise, mobility, and buffs all physical damage dealers.

BLM has the lowest mobility in the game, essentially zero utility that the other magic dps don't have and.. yeah. That's it.

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Originally Posted by Furious

RDM also has (potent, instant) cure

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Only really "potent" if doublecast which isn't instant. If we are bringing utility in to the argument, it should also be noted that BLM is pretty much only viable source for Mana Shift.

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As do SMN and while Verraise is more flexible to use, it is worth remembering RDMs also have fewer ways to recover mana to afford to use it.

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Are you referring to Displacement? Is melee range backstep really worth being envious of when BLM have Between the Lines with less than 10% of the cooldown?

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and buffs all physical damage dealers.

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This I can agree with as it turns us in to a steroid dispenser for SAM. That said, I am not sure how you can tinker with Embolden without making life harder for other physical DPS and if you go after SAM DPS too hard, they will just be making the same arguments the BLMs are making now.

The problem is simply that Rdm isn't punished as much by having to do mechanics as Blm is.
Yoshi defends the dps gap between Sam and the rest by saying that classes without utility and heavily punished by mechanics should do more dps to compensate for that. So why does this not go for Blm as well?

@Amulrei: mobility refers to Rdm being able to Doublecast every other spell, essentially giving them room to move every other spell. Which makes them extremely mobile compared to Blm.

Forgive the double post, can't edit on phone and quote isn't working either.

mobility:

remember me when im wrong but blm have warp, dots when proc is instand, instand dmg casts- rdm not have dots and for double cast you need stay 2sec ans CAST a spell.

When i read this, i rly think other Blms only evade or run when need moving....

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@Amulrei: mobility refers to Rdm being able to Doublecast every other spell, essentially giving them room to move every other spell. Which makes them extremely mobile compared to Blm.

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Indeed. Which is compensated by the fact BLM will hands-down do more damage than any other caster in lower movement situations. SMN meanwhile has multiple instant-cast abilities and DoTs that continue to tick when movement is required.

Each of the three casters has different strengths and do better at different types of encounters. I see no problem with this.