This patch is waste time 1.20

Having to do that quest over and over again will result in either of these:

a) Player keeps playing until he has every mog weapon, which is delayed greatly by the annoying quest, then proceeds to take a break from the game since he finished all endgame-ish content.
b) Player gets sick of having to do that annoying quest over and over again and stops playing before getting all mog weapons. He could tell SE was using a cheap trick to try and trick him into playing more so he is less likely to return.

Sure they would get the fanboys to stay interested in the game longer, but at the cost of their other players which are the majority.


SE needs to face the fact that most of their current and potential customers are not OCD and have lots of alternatives when it comes to having fun.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Ilean

SE needs to face the fact that most of their current and potential customers are not OCD and have lots of alternatives when it comes to having fun.

---

^
aion free to play in europe, star wars online, guild wars 2, and like 10 new offline games for pc and consoles (skyrim, just to mention 1 of them). wrong time to ask for money after adding a crappy content.

i may sound cynical, but i'm seriously worried. so many friends are quitting this game (1 just ragequitted yesterday after the 7th link-kill before arriving to Boata).

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Tano

^
aion free to play in europe, star wars online, guild wars 2, and like 10 new offline games for pc and consoles (skyrim, just to mention 1 of them). wrong time to ask for money after adding a crappy content.

i may sound cynical, but i'm seriously worried. so many friends are quitting this game (1 just ragequitted yesterday after the 7th link-kill before arriving to Boata).

---

EQ2 went f2p this month as well.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Tano

i don't know if you are joking, but games are all about entertainment and fun, not wasting time.

moogle fight is funny and entertaining, moogle quest is stupid and not worth repeating (or doing maybe).

my personal opinion.


nice troll with picture (reported btw ;P ), but i think 50% of players disagrees with your ls (and with me, since i'll keep playing for a while probably, at least til 1.21). i'd very much like SE to fix this quest, and i'd like ppl to be less fanboy and learn how to make constructive critiques.

as always, the patch has good things and bad things. what i don't like is the lack of real content. i've done moogle quest, what now? repeat? no thanks. <- that's what i mean.

most of us, in my ls, have done this quest and we all think it's stupid and are not going to repeat it. that's a feedback from like 20/20 players, it doesn't matter if you agree with it or not.

---

So you're one of the nerds that reports every single stupid thing. That picture isn't offensive. It's a giant plastic bubble.

and you are one of the trollers who seeks flame in every thread? i honestly don't care. if you think that your picture is not offensive, then you have nothing to worry about, right? next time think before you post.

we are trying to have a contructive talk here, nothing to do with personal stuff.

if you like this patch then good for you, keep paying and have fun ;) but you can't blame other ppl just because they don't think the same.

but please, don't say that this quest is funny, lol. moogle fight is actually pretty good, yes, but the keystone quest sucks.

Quote:

---

aion free to play in europe, star wars online, guild wars 2, and like 10 new offline games for pc and consoles (skyrim, just to mention 1 of them). wrong time to ask for money after adding a crappy content.

i may sound cynical, but i'm seriously worried. so many friends are quitting this game (1 just ragequitted yesterday after the 7th link-kill before arriving to Boata).

---

Quote:

---

EQ2 went f2p this month as well.

---

^ This exactly.

Expect fanboys to rush in and tell you what a piece of crap every other MMO is, especially the f2p and korean ones.




It's saturday night and there are 122 EN, 4 FR and 7 DE in Gyshal.

it's not a fact of "aion sucks", "star wars sucks", "skyrim is not jp", "zelda is on wii", "gw2 has no lala", "ff > all". there are just too many alternatives, lol.

only fanboys like me will keep playing this game ahah.

have fun playing a mmorpg with 20 english-speaking players on each server.

not to mention that the only moogle weapon worth are sword and maybe axe (nice healing effect for tanks), or fists if you like how they look. mages weapons are stupid (mp regen on melee attack, lol, nice), and dd weapons are far inferior then normal gear + crit/atk/str materia (no need for hq, really).
poorly designed, really.

Honestly I'm loving the new stuff. Some of the combos+buffs in the right order can do hilarious things. Fighting random stuff in this game got a million times more fun.
**As for ppl being annoyed about the walking by trees, and the 5 NMs thing... I think it's perfect idea. In my head I see the area around Camp Turning Leaf AS the new dungeon Once you have the items tho, just fight the boss fight by itself and you don't have to worry about strolling through a dungeon each time you die.
**Keep in mind that it really sucks for us end-gamers right now. But be mature and patient. The Game and it's updates are being rebuilt. All these patches until 2.0 will be, fixing the mess over adding content. Remember: Why make large amounts of content only to have it ruined by the game-changing mechanics at the very next patch.


Edit: The title "This patch is waste time 1.20" cracks me up a bit. Aren't video games in general, not to mention MMOs supposed to be time occupiers?

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Katie

**Keep in mind that it really sucks for us end-gamers right now. But be mature and patient. The Game and it's updates are being rebuilt. All these patches until 2.0 will be, fixing the mess over adding content. Remember: Why make large amounts of content only to have it ruined by the game-changing mechanics at the very next patch.


Edit: The title "This patch is waste time 1.20" cracks me up a bit. Aren't video games in general, not to mention MMOs supposed to be time occupiers?

---

"Be patient with crappy content even though they are charging us"

The twisted idea that you need to do crappy, tedious, monotonous stuff in order to do the parts that are actually fun seems exclusive to poorly designed MMOs. Been gaming for almost 30 years and it was never like that.

Gaming may be almost by definition a waste of time but it's also supposed to be fun.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Ilean

1-"Be patient with crappy content even though they are charging us"

2-Gaming may be almost by definition a waste of time but it's also supposed to be fun.

---

1: Correct, and once I start paying my expectations in 1.21 will be higher then ever. If I don't like it, or it isn't enough 'fun' to justify my cost of paying, i'll cancel my subscription until it is.

2: Correct again. Why play a game if it's not fun? For me, FFXIV is fun because i have friends that make it that way. There is enough things to keep us loling for the moment. IF you are not having fun, then by all means, do NOT pay for this. And instead, play another game that is fun. At least until they make it worth justifying the cost for you.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Ilean

SE needs to face the fact that most of their current and potential customers are not OCD and have lots of alternatives when it comes to having fun.

---

Who are they? lol. I think most of their customers at this point are addicts.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Katie

1: Correct, and once I start paying my expectations in 1.21 will be higher then ever. If I don't like it, or it isn't enough 'fun' to justify my cost of paying, i'll cancel my subscription until it is.

2: Correct again. Why play a game if it's not fun? For me, FFXIV is fun because i have friends that make it that way. There is enough things to keep us loling for the moment. IF you are not having fun, then by all means, do NOT pay for this. And instead, play another game that is fun. At least until they make it worth justifying the cost for you.

---

Obvious is obvious.

But I doubt SE made these boards only so people who think everything is alright can tell them so.

Lots of people seem to hate this "dungeon" where you don't really fight much, only walk around really slowly.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Neptune

Who are they? lol. I think most of their customers at this point are addicts.

---

Potential customers {please check it}.

Yeah, SE has been working real hard these past months to drive everyone who isn't a complete fanboy away, the funny thing is all the fanboys combined won't make this game profitable.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Ilean

Obvious is obvious.

But I doubt SE made these boards only so people who think everything is alright can tell them so.

Lots of people seem to hate this "dungeon" where you don't really fight much, only walk around really slowly.

---

apprently its supposed to be a "lets give SE a cookie" boards according to some of these crazed fans.

even when it comes to little things like allowing people to swap servers or asking to merge the VERY empty ones, those fanboys act like you just insulted their mothers....its kind of sad.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Zanfire

apprently its supposed to be a "lets give SE a cookie" boards according to some of these crazed fans.

even when it comes to little things like allowing people to swap servers or asking to merge the VERY empty ones, those fanboys act like you just insulted their mothers....its kind of sad.

---

Tell me about it!

HOW DARE YOU SAY THE SERVER IS TOO EMPTY!!!????

http://totallyfalse.info/wp-content/...rage_face_.jpg

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Ilean

Obvious is obvious.

But I doubt SE made these boards only so people who think everything is alright can tell them so.

Lots of people seem to hate this "dungeon" where you don't really fight much, only walk around really slowly.

---

No I'm not saying that. They could have made it better and more enjoyable for sure. Although I did enjoy the initial puzzle of figuring the stuffs out, I would have liked fun aggroing mobs in that zone. So you would have NMs and mobs to fight through with the new fighting stuff.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Zanfire

apprently its supposed to be a "lets give SE a cookie" boards according to some of these crazed fans.

even when it comes to little things like allowing people to swap servers or asking to merge the VERY empty ones, those fanboys act like you just insulted their mothers....its kind of sad.

---

I believe that anyone whom takes the time to post on a game-specific forum is a fan of some sort. And I'm not giving SE any cookies. My expectations for 1.21 are very high. Not to mention the start of billing, but all of the patches and changes so far lead into this one. This recent one didn't have much in the way of content and things to do, but the entire way you play is changed. I have a LOT of beefs for this game, like why cant i sell my junk in bulk? Not one item at a time?

My point originally was that I don't think 1.2o was a waste of time. UNLESS 1.21 does suck. If it does, then no one has to pay for it. I think that the game-play, structure, and UI changes of the previous patches are leading/pointing to the jobs and content in 1.21.

There still isn't much to do besides time-sink Moogie in this one, BUT a lot of the game changed for the better. When i logged on after more then a year of playing after this recent patch, it has felt like a totally new game for me.

The patch IS a waste of time. This is what SE/Yoshi has been doing with each patch: they tone down the pace of battle, crafting and gathering.

First it was MP regen then low Dmg outuput and tougher mobs and now even LESS dmg output, slow TP generation, 3k TP skill requirement AND loooong CD.

I understand the time sink concept and how it relate to a financial model; but seriously, this is getting more boring by each patch.

My other beef is with skill removal! Are they really removing skills, useful skills I might add, just to be given to advance jobs? So they want people to look forward on using new jobs that uses OLD skills just because they are useful? Then what would become of the existing classes?

And can someone please tell me whats the point of inferno totems and charms if they are STILL RANDOM DROPS?! and you still cant pass drops to your team even if you have the same weapons?

I am really disappointing with the direction the game is going and if population is any indicator, I assume many share the same feeling.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by popdai

The problem is: how many new players had come in FFXIV in the last 3 months? huh?!?! hmmmm...
95% of every server reached rank (ooops level) 50 before patch 1.18, and except for "animation lock", there's never been endgame content. Seriously: this game is so empty and we're gonna pay for it! I'll pay because 2.0 seems gorgeous, but what are we gonna do in the meantime? Nothing challenging! And the fact that the so called "endgame" can be done with Christmas outfit or NAKED, it's ridicolous talking about everything in this game (equip, stats, tactics, contents...).

---

Well, let me bring my 1 cent to this.
I started with Alpha testing, bought the CE and only have one lvl 50 job.
I only recently got my chocobo and haven't done ANY GC quests.

I had a 6 month break from 14 and got back @ 1.19.
I love this game and I have SO MUCH to do.

I think, everyone who is not happy with the content etc. should take a 6 month break and come back to find out there is LOADS to do. Go buy another game or something and just give 14 some time.
It's a fact that it's impossible for SE to provide enough content to satisfy everyone who has had their lvl 50 jobs for almost a year.
The game is going through a major change and it's not even close to finished. Get used to it that there is not going to be much for you to do because you were in such a rush to lvl all your jobs to 50 to reach "end game" which you knew wasn't there!

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Mamba

Well, let me bring my 1 cent to this.
I started with Alpha testing, bought the CE and only have one lvl 50 job.
I only recently got my chocobo and haven't done ANY GC quests.

I had a 6 month break from 14 and got back @ 1.19.
I love this game and I have SO MUCH to do.

I think, everyone who is not happy with the content etc. should take a 6 month break and come back to find out there is LOADS to do. Go buy another game or something and just give 14 some time.
It's a fact that it's impossible for SE to provide enough content to satisfy everyone who has had their lvl 50 jobs for almost a year.
The game is going through a major change and it's not even close to finished. Get used to it that there is not going to be much for you to do because you were in such a rush to lvl all your jobs to 50 to reach "end game" which you knew wasn't there!

---

This is basically what happened to me, as well. I think I came back on 1.18, and I was still amazed. 1.20? Mind blown. I'm close to finishing my 3rd Lv.50 class and I still haven't beaten every NM out there. People need to cool their jets.

I take back what I said before, I didn't know you had to redo the quest everytime. That's aweful, here are 2 options that would make this better.

1. Make getting the items from the NM's a 1 time thing.
Or
2. Erase the Trees.

Ill pick option 2.

I wanted to forward a few posts that Yoshida made this weekend in regards to your concerns about the Moogle quest and fight. :) He also listed the dev. team's current plan of action in addressing player feedback, too.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Naoki_Yoshida

Hello! This is Producer/Director Yoshida.

Thanks for all the feedback in regards to having to repeat the Moogle quest every time.
We’ll be looking into adjustments to ease up a bit and will be using your feedback as reference.

---

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Naoki_Yoshida

Hello! This is Producer/Director Yoshida.

Thanks so much for all the encouraging words, as always!
As you have been pointing out, I am quite tired, but I have looked over the entire forum and I quickly created a patch 1.20 adjustment plan, not only for the Moogle fight.

Tomorrow morning first thing we will be finalizing the specs and begin work on adjustment implementation, so we are trying our best to bring you patch 1.20a so you can all enjoy the game more.

Thanks so much for all the feedback and encouraging words. Even the opinions that sound harsh, I believe it’s because of the love for FFXIV, so I will continue to do my best! :)

---

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Naoki_Yoshida

Hello! This is Producer/Director Yoshida.

I mentioned this yesterday, but I have put together the base adjustment plans, so we are planning to address this after further discussion tomorrow morning.

I’m going to try and be as quick as possible, so please hang in there.

---

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Naoki_Yoshida

Hello! This is Producer/Director Yoshida.

We have adjusted all of the content specs first thing this morning, and each development lead is working on implementation. We will be performing our related checks today and tomorrow QA will make their checks and adjustments.

From tomorrow on we will be continuing work on 1.20a along with other items, so I will be sure to let you all know about any progress.

---

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Engineer

I take back what I said before, I didn't know you had to redo the quest everytime. That's aweful, here are 2 options that would make this better.

1. Make getting the items from the NM's a 1 time thing.
Or
2. Erase the Trees.

Ill pick option 2.

---

I dunno, the trees made the zone come alive to me. It was the first time in this game that I felt truly immersed. Well, except maybe for the curious goat parades during leves :D

I would be sad to see them go/get severely dumbed down.

That's not to say I think we should have to get the drops constantly. Maybe place a time limit on the drops, say 24 hours of mog killing before the NM's get the ward up again.

My only complaint(s) with the way it was set up was that the mobs that wander around(Not the spriggans because if your doing it right you can avoid those but like the wolves/birds/raptors) can still link with the trees. The other which could be considered the same thing is that on the morbol(And potentially the other NMs) you either have to wait forever for the trees to back off or have a martyr(because they also link with trees).

The walking and avoid the spriggans gave this a new twist to the game that didn't exist before where you just run to x,y pos and kill NM now it's sort of like an open world mini dungeon to get to the NMs. Finally at least on my server on a number of the NMs we actually had teamwork where everyone(2+ parties who needed the kill) would team up on the NMs to kill them really fast and then help the rest of the groups too instead of just fighting over the kills!

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Enyyx

I dunno, the trees made the zone come alive to me. It was the first time in this game that I felt truly immersed. Well, except maybe for the curious goat parades during leves :D

I would be sad to see them go/get severely dumbed down.

That's not to say I think we should have to get the drops constantly. Maybe place a time limit on the drops, say 24 hours of mog killing before the NM's get the ward up again.

---

100% agree, but i might consider making it every few days, just because it can take a few hours with inexperienced players.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Engineer

I take back what I said before, I didn't know you had to redo the quest everytime. That's aweful, here are 2 options that would make this better.

1. Make getting the items from the NM's a 1 time thing.
Or
2. Erase the Trees.

Ill pick option 2.

---

I don't have a problem with either of these items, the thing that makes me tear my hair out is getting aggroed by a random mob who then instantly links with a tree and you die. That's it, in many cases I have died before I knew there was a mob that would aggro me. The second problem is you start running with your weapon out even if you are set to walk. Why? If I want to walk then I want to walk.

Changing these two things would make the small NM fights just that little bit easier.

Quote:

---

Thanks so much for all the feedback and encouraging words. Even the opinions that sound harsh, I believe it’s because of the love for FFXIV, so I will continue to do my best!

---

I think they translated it wrong, allow me..

http://dynastylinkshell.com/images/blog/haters.gif

I'm not sure ppl have stated this already but why cant they just have the key items stackable? So ppl can farm multiple items and pop him multiple times. When I explained the my friend who plays 11 about moogle he instinctively thought of sky. Why not doing like that but instead of drops of nm being items to use to pop the gods/kirin why not just have em stackable key items. Honesty farming the nms are actually pretty fun specially if you come with friends. But farming it then killing moogle then farming it then killing moogle then farming it then killing moogle isnt fun. You pretty much lose all reason for the 15min cooldown for ppl to have breaks. Your pretty much forcing them to go crazy at it every time. What happend to being casual? I understand elite groups clearing those nms maybe possible in less than 15min. I may be wrong but that means your only doing this fight for those few ppl who will leave the content anyways after they ran through all the moogle content which would be less than a month. Make it casual friendly without lowering the difficulty.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Yoshi-P

Thanks so much for all the feedback and encouraging words. Even the opinions that sound harsh, I believe it’s because of the love for FFXIV, so I will continue to do my best! :)

---

I'm glad Yoshi-P doesn't take other players' harsh words negatively. I'm very happy with the development and adjustments in general, I hope they stay motivated. :D

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Rukkirii

I wanted to forward a few posts that Yoshida made this weekend in regards to your concerns about the Moogle quest and fight. :) He also listed the dev. team's current plan of action in addressing player feedback, too.

---

The same as always...dev team screw up, he comes, apologize, say he's human or that he's tired and then they screw up even more. 1.18 was terrible, 1.19 worse than 1.18 and now 1.20 even worse than 1.19.

Seems like the dev team X-Mas will actally be just as good as the playerbase...drinking and getting miserable while looking how the game die day after day.

One week for SWTOR, 3 weeks for billing...i guess even if they pull jobs to 1.20a the game might not start 2012 much better than it is now. Bringing names of actions, places, mechanics, some old icons and animations will not make the game better...maybe if Yoshida actually had knowledge regarding FF he would be able to look foward instead of being so worried about past games.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Lienn

The same as always...dev team screw up, he comes, apologize, say he's human or that he's tired and then they screw up even more. 1.18 was terrible, 1.19 worse than 1.18 and now 1.20 even worse than 1.19.

Seems like the dev team X-Mas will actally be just as good as the playerbase...drinking and getting miserable while looking how the game die day after day.

One week for SWTOR, 3 weeks for billing...i guess even if they pull jobs to 1.20a the game might not start 2012 much better than it is now. Bringing names of actions, places, mechanics, some old icons and animations will not make the game better...maybe if Yoshida actually had knowledge regarding FF he would be able to look foward instead of being so worried about past games.

---

Play SWTOR in 2012. Look at FFXIV as a novelty until 2.0. Rejudge FFXIV in 2013.

Please do NOT get rid of the trees particular aggroing setup...just fix how fighting works, if we are set to walk mode dont make us run in active mode when fighting, make us walk!

People need to realize they are prepping this game for 2.0 and new customers when ps3 and pc is re-released. They have allowed us to play for free for a year now and sucked up the losses and people are complaining.

Imagine if you were a new player coming into the game today how much content you would have to do just to name a few:

- Guild leves would feel exciting to you for solo and light party content with still having the ability to party like in 11

- rank 30 nms, uraeus and dodore, dungeons, moogle, and ifrit would be endgame content

- sidequests, main quest, class quests, and Grand company quest

if i was a new player coming into today with that much content not including many of the small additions they have added since then i would be a happy camper don't blame SE because we have played for a year now ( FOR FREE ) we all want this game to succeed or we wouldn't post on this site for that to happen we need more players to buy this game and expand out server communities which make the game more exciting for us around 2.0 time.

I'm not saying i agree with them charging us but can we really complain for paying for this at a discounted rate we need to quit blaming SE and trolling and look at ourselves.

Uh, please get rid of the trees linking with raptors/birds/wolves.... So lovely they can call a monster to one shot me... It isn't like grouping them up in fours where you HAVE to walk will kill me 2-3 seconds later....

The Old Republic is TERRIBLE. It's a derivative clone of another terrible game with an awful art style and gameplay that bores me to tears.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Coldbrand

The Old Republic is TERRIBLE. It's a derivative clone of another terrible game with an awful art style and gameplay that bores me to tears.

---

I clearly see where this comment is related to FFXIV....

Anyway, thanks Yoshi and Dev team for being quick in addressing these issues. Keep working hard

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by evilmica

I'm not sure ppl have stated this already but why cant they just have the key items stackable? So ppl can farm multiple items and pop him multiple times. When I explained the my friend who plays 11 about moogle he instinctively thought of sky. Why not doing like that but instead of drops of nm being items to use to pop the gods/kirin why not just have em stackable key items. Honesty farming the nms are actually pretty fun specially if you come with friends. But farming it then killing moogle then farming it then killing moogle then farming it then killing moogle isnt fun. You pretty much lose all reason for the 15min cooldown for ppl to have breaks. Your pretty much forcing them to go crazy at it every time. What happend to being casual? I understand elite groups clearing those nms maybe possible in less than 15min. I may be wrong but that means your only doing this fight for those few ppl who will leave the content anyways after they ran through all the moogle content which would be less than a month. Make it casual friendly without lowering the difficulty.

---

I think if the key items become stackable, you run into the issue of people hogging and arguing over certain NMs. I'm not sure since I haven't done this quest yet but it could potentially exacerbate the issue. Maybe they can make it so repeating the quest you only have to kill 1 NM? That way if you kill them all you have multiple runs before you have to farm again.

Please increase the effect of Blood For Blood!!

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Lienn

Seems like the dev team X-Mas will actally be just as good as the playerbase...drinking and getting miserable while looking how the game die day after day.

---

Wow that's quite a pesimistic way to look at things lol. I sure hope you don't play when it forces you to drink!

Gotta feel bad for Yoshida and his team >.< Keep up ur high hopes team

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Holland

I clearly see where this comment is related to FFXIV....

Anyway, thanks Yoshi and Dev team for being quick in addressing these issues. Keep working hard

---

hurhr I don't read even the most recent page before this one and yet then make smarmy comments hurrr