Final Predictions: Who shall die in 4.0

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Originally Posted by Rita1989

I dont actually think she will die either but there is hints that she might be slowing dying already due to entering the life stream

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Not dying slowly, no. Slowly going blind.

She sees through using aether now. She reads the aetherial patterns of things around her, not unlike how Neo starts to "see" in the Matrix. However, doing so is damaging. Though that was only mentioned once or twice since she came back from the lifestream, so whether or not they're continuing with that plot hook is up in the air.

All lalas will be sacrificed for the sake of new servers.

That is all

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Originally Posted by FallenArisen0990

I still don't buy Yda's death. You're gonna tell me the woman I saw back in 1.0...is not the same up to now? Gtfo.

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Lyse gets severely injured. Yda comes out of hiding. Lyse dies. Yda joins party. Yep.

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Originally Posted by VanilleFang

Yeah, I doubt Y'shtola would die. She's the FFXIV character in crossover/none canon games such as Theatrythm. And with Dissidia coming to the PS4, where she is a playable character, I doubt they would remove her from the game.

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Aerith has also made it to several crossover games...

You mean the healer that god attacked by a guy with a gigantic katana and long blond hair?

Strange similarities dontchathink?

I swear the most hated characters people post on this forum are often the ones who cannot fight in battle.

What is this? Palamecia?

Is the rule "None shall remember the names of those who cannot fight" really that dominate in "character's popularity" for FF14?

Have people forgotten that one does not need to be Masters of Battle to be useful since there are other ways people can be useful to others outside of battle.

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Originally Posted by EdwinLi

I swear the most hated characters people post on this forum are often the ones who cannot fight in battle.

What is this? Palamecia?

Is the rule "None shall remember the names of those who cannot fight" really that dominate in "character's popularity" for FF14?

Have people forgotten that one does not need to be Masters of Battle to be useful since there are other ways people can be useful to others outside of battle.

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I don't see any hate for Krile. Or Matoya. Tataru seems to be 50/50. MInfilia was simply terrible.

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Originally Posted by EdwinLi

I swear the most hated characters people post on this forum are often the ones who cannot fight in battle.

What is this? Palamecia?

Is the rule "None shall remember the names of those who cannot fight" really that dominate in "character's popularity" for FF14?

Have people forgotten that one does not need to be Masters of Battle to be useful since there are other ways people can be useful to others outside of battle.

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It's a big part of why people were calling for Minfillia's head, despite her position as a central leader for the Scions. Even if you're frequently on the front lines, like Alphinaud has been during Heavensward, you're not safe.

I get more annoyed by that than I should be.

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Originally Posted by Balipu

I don't see any hate for Krile. Or Matoya. Tataru seems to be 50/50. MInfilia was simply terrible.

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Krile and Matoya both have a level of battle skills as we did fight along side Krile during a solo instant during the Triad Storyline and Matoya, in her youth, is known to be a very power mage in Sharlayan which she pass down her magic knowledge, both in combat and assist magic, to Y'shtola.

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Originally Posted by EdwinLi

Krile and Matoya both have a level of battle skills as we did fight along side Krile during a solo instant during the Triad Storyline and Matoya, in her youth, is known to be a very power mage in Sharlayan which she pass down her magic knowledge, both in combat and assist magic, to Y'shtola.

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Well Matoya is probably a Louisouix level demigod, but she never helped us in battle, so it might not count. Krile helps in solo instanced but still she along with Urianger sees very little combat. The problem with Minfilia is that she never really tried. I mean Alphinaud developed a lot in HW and even Ttaru tried turning into an arcanist to help out in combat. Minfilia was a damsel in distress whose role as a leader was bascially asking Urianger to hand her a report and handing that to the WoL. No I really don't like her.

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Originally Posted by Balipu

Well Matoya is probably a Louisouix level demigod

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Louisouix + old woman sass

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Originally Posted by Lambdafish

Louisouix + old woman sass

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Best combo. Hope the game won't just forget about her now that we move out of Dravania and Coerthas. Like after Zenos beats us we ask Matoya if she knows some secret to beat him up and she goes like: Well, go the Othard and gear up like he did, duh.

Also, we never saw her since Alisaie joined the team.

She can be: Ah, cool. Louiusoix's grandson is back.
Al: No, I'm her granddaughter. See, my ribbon is red.

Be funny and actually a big deal if they killed the WOL - your character-. But instead of a gameover your soul has to go thur hell - dungeons- to get your body back. This does one of a few things.. one, it gives us a REAL reason to this force to be awed with. Pretty much makes us awesome in story instead of being awesome just in gameplay while we're some kid watching shit in story. Two like seriously. How hype would that be if you're killed? Makes the villain THAT much of a badass and when you come back, better, stronger, and pissed makes YOU that much more amazing.. and it'll happen within the actual plot instead of just gameplay. Three... cause the WOL needs to do something awesome within the storyline and not just be awesome in gameplay. Make us feel like the WOL.

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Originally Posted by Hikuras

Be funny and actually a big deal if they killed the WOL - your character-. But instead of a gameover your soul has to go thur hell - dungeons- to get your body back.

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I actually had an idea like this a while ago, but with Varis. You die and you have to use the Phantom Train to get back. With Suplex and all that. I mean we need something for 5.0 as well. Also we need Zorn and Thron to show up. I have a whole bunch of ideas for 5.0 The beast tribes, the primals, the two cities, the classes. I just need someone to take notes.

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Originally Posted by Alice_89th

Aerith has also made it to several crossover games...

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And so has Zack but the games were several years old by then. Zack's death is a given but you don't see either die in any trailers, not even for media that shows highlights of their games. I think curtain call has one for FF7, but again, you didn't see Aeris run through in any TV spots.

Scion wise, Krile would be my assumption. I don't see the twins getting killed, nor Y'Shtola at this point. I DO think Matoya will figure into Y'Shtola's scenario here though, somewhere.

Gosetsu, I figure, would probably be more likely than Yugiri on the Doma front.

Alliance wise, I do think at least one of the core alliance members will die. Raubahn seems the most likely.

Y'shtola is the only Scion that has ever mattered. The Scions as a group don't matter (is this the UN?). If Y'shtola dies, I want the option to switch to the Garlean side and my own battleship (Deathstar) to crush Uldah and Gridania. The airship will also keep me out of Aymeric's creepy reach.

Tataru is just a pathetic mascot trotted out for the kiddies. Her clothing gifts are worse than Grandma's Christmas sweaters.

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Originally Posted by Slevin_Impudicus

The airship will also keep me out of Aymeric's creepy reach.

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Don't you insult my husbando!

Can't lie, Y'shtola dying would be perfect, her fanboys are the worse by far. I wonder how many she'd have if the explosion rendered her ugly instead of blind?

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Originally Posted by Hikuras

like seriously. How hype would that be if you're killed? Makes the villain THAT much of a badass and when you come back, better, stronger, and pissed makes YOU that much more amazing.. and it'll happen within the actual plot instead of just gameplay. Three... cause the WOL needs to do something awesome within the storyline and not just be awesome in gameplay. Make us feel like the WOL.

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That would be perfect, something actually tragic happening to you, while hard to pull off, is the only way they can do another dramatic 'death'. tired of them just knocking out supporting characters for the cheap feels.

The fact we're discussing this in a thread is an issue with FFXIV's overall storytelling.

I don't think it's Raubahn, because plot armor. It would sooner be Pipin.

I also agree that Y'shtola is safe. Her injury from the trailer is more than likely just a way to keep her from making the journey to Doma.

I expect Alphinaud to stay behind to keep the general Scion work, but he's less safe the Shtola.

That said, one scene with Gotsetsu and I immediately thought, "How long till you die horribly?" Since the last time we got a great Roe NPC, Moenbryda, she died one patch later. And Gotsestu is a bubbly, hornorable guy (like Haurchefant) and an old, grizzled veteran. I think he's doomed.

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Originally Posted by Ametrine

That said, one scene with Gotsetsu and I immediately thought, "How long till you die horribly?" Since the last time we got a great Roe NPC, Moenbryda, she died one patch later. And Gotsestu is a bubbly, hornorable guy (like Haurchefant) and an old, grizzled veteran. I think he's doomed.

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I'm not biased about character looks, but I know that non-kawaii characters get the axe or villain status fast. Old people don't count but something something gotta pass of a billion years of knowledge. This isn't always true, like the Chrono Trigger cast. But that was in the 90's. Everyone was dumpy.

Gosetsu is currently so useless for the Story that I completely wouldn't care if he dies. So he make a bad sacrifice.

On the other Hand, Moenbryda...hmmm... I had now to google her Name for 5 minutes, because I couldnt even remember it. She was absolutely no sense and I didn't care about her, yet she was sacrificed for Story. So Gosetsu could be the same.

What is more, the SB-Trailer shows a yet-to-be-named Samurai who seems to be very important. So if he takes the "Samurai NPC"-role, Gosetsu would be again useless and a good Story sacrifice.

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More important than who's gonna die is for me, if Urianger will change his Outfit back to the Warrior of Darkness-Attitude. He looked 10 times more cooler and since all other members have changed appearence during HW, I couldnt believe that he changed back in his ultra ugly ultra lame Outfit again!

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Originally Posted by Hikuras

Be funny and actually a big deal if they killed the WOL - your character-. But instead of a gameover your soul has to go thur hell - dungeons- to get your body back. This does one of a few things.. one, it gives us a REAL reason to this force to be awed with. Pretty much makes us awesome in story instead of being awesome just in gameplay while we're some kid watching shit in story. Two like seriously. How hype would that be if you're killed? Makes the villain THAT much of a badass and when you come back, better, stronger, and pissed makes YOU that much more amazing.. and it'll happen within the actual plot instead of just gameplay. Three... cause the WOL needs to do something awesome within the storyline and not just be awesome in gameplay. Make us feel like the WOL.

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Um yeah, there is only one Problem: The Warrior of Light is not cool. He really isn't. SE constantly fails to make him looking cool. With HW I changed him into an badass looking au'Ra. He Looks big, strong, carrying a huge sword and could be badass in Person.

But then, in every cutcene he Looks like an complete idiot. Smiling like he has an IQ on ground-level.

I remember that cutcene with the stolen goods, where SE basically mocked my character. Because it was so crystal clear ("crystal" haha, because of the Crystal warriors who were traitors) that they were tricked. But my character did like: "WOOOW! I didn't see THAT comming! Shock!"

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Originally Posted by Talec

I know.. that's why I said they should make us kool T.T

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You're right, but that's why they need to MAKE us kool instead of being the " ooooh things are happening" person we are in the story. T.T

Yeah having the PC do something cool is needed, but dying isn't cool and I'm fairly certain that would end up pissing off a lot of people. I would say have the PC do something more along the lines of something similar to the Battle of 1,000 Heartless in KH2.

Lyse will die once she reads monk's preliminary patch notes

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Originally Posted by Kuroyasha

Lyse will die once she reads monk's preliminary patch notes

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And Y'shtola is a white mage. Oh, damn. Well at least we can be sure Yugiri survives. The ninja changes are awesome.

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Originally Posted by Balipu

And Y'shtola is a white mage. Oh, damn. Well at least we can be sure Yugiri survives. The ninja changes are awesome.

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Lore so deep that buffs/nerfs can kill the main cast.

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Originally Posted by Clethoria

Lore so deep that buffs/nerfs can kill the main cast.

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Nanamo not dying from poison might have been a hint that Rogue/ninja will ditch the poisons in Stormblood.

The Warrior of Light is going to die in 4.0, because the fact that everyone's starting to overly rely on the Warrior of Light has been hinted on time and time again. What is the world going to do without its champion?

Of course, the death wouldn't be permanent, because, hey, Warrior of Light. But think of all that could happen in the WoL's absence. Like, say, another Calamity, this time in the East.

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Originally Posted by Talec

What is more, the SB-Trailer shows a yet-to-be-named Samurai who seems to be very important. So if he takes the "Samurai NPC"-role, Gosetsu would be again useless and a good Story sacrifice.

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You mean Hien?? He's the prince of Doma! He's apparently going to eventually be Doma's GC equivalent (like Aymeric became to Ishgard), if theory proves.

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Originally Posted by Kikoten

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Honestly the WoL needs to be taken down a notch or two because the WoL is the biggest Mary Sue in FF14.

Forget the other characters that have small amount of Mary Sue moments because with the WoL is constant supply of Mary Sue moments.

As long anyone has the WoL on their side they are basically given a instant 100% chance at winning any fight becuase our character is the Warrior of Light who can beat anyone and anything in the end.

Ishgard has a tournament against all three other Grand Companies? Bring the WoL to win!

A Primal appeared and needs to be killed? Leave it to the WoL because he or she can kill it!

Garleans invading a location and the forces can't hold them back? Send in the WoL to completely turn the entire battle into your favor in a heart beat!

A Corrupt politician turns a entire city state against the WoL? No worries because he change his or her mind later because the WoL is Eorzea's nuclear deterrent against any threat!

Majority of the story so far just keep hitting that "Send in the WoL because he or she can any global threat!" really makes the story stale when the WoL is literally the solution to everything. Makes me glad Nero actually brought this issue up with everyone.

To be fair, it's not always the case and it's obvious that our first trip into Ala Mihgo ends in failure.

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Originally Posted by Evergrey

"Tataru: Basically the only one without any particular reason to die. So the least expected."

And for that reason it would be the most impactful is she died.
Just imagine. She comes to greet us (or something) and when we see each others across the road she gets shot/stabed/crushed by an ambush or something, before our very eyes and we can't do anything to stop it.
She had done nothing wrong. She was just at the wrong place at the wrong time.

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why would ther garls kill there best spy?

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Originally Posted by 347SPECTRE

To be fair, it's not always the case and it's obvious that our first trip into Ala Mihgo ends in failure.

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correction: our 1st ASSAULT on ala mihgo ends in failure.

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Originally Posted by EdwinLi

Forget the other characters that have small amount of Mary Sue moments because with the WoL is constant supply of Mary Sue moments.

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Until we enter a cutscene and suddenly can't do anything anymore except stretching our hand out and silently opening the mouth. In those moments, we watch a supposed "good friend" struggle against a lazorbolt for a good 30 seconds doing absolutely nothing, so we can then look all sad when they die.

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Originally Posted by Zojha

Until we enter a cutscene and suddenly can't do anything anymore except stretching our hand out and silently opening the mouth. In those moments, we watch a supposed "good friend" struggle against a lazorbolt for a good 30 seconds doing absolutely nothing, so we can then look all sad when they die.

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You know the real reason why the WoL is so bland in cutscenes verses basically everyone else is so SE doesn't have to animate cutscenes for every job on every race.

And it was more like 5 seconds but w/e. It's still a sore spot and baity.

I've been saying since FFBE did the ff14 crossover event y'sholta is gonna die. All the FF14 6 star characters are dead but her lol.

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Originally Posted by Reinha

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Alisae has red and Alphinaud has blue in both old and new gear. Alisae is also a Red Mage. I think their fate has been revealed long ago in this poem:

http://img.finalfantasyxiv.com/t/20f...8697b132_0.png

Alisae will travel east with us and Alphinaud will be lost (dead or kidnapped?) in the western war. No idea what will happen to other characters though.

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I feel like looking at their colored outfits might be reading into something that isn't there, though I wouldn't mind if Alphinaud disappeared and Alisaie were more prominent in the story however it happens.

FYI, the expansion titles (subtitles?) in Japanese also reference these colors. Heavensward is 蒼天のイシュガルド (azure skies of Ishgard) and 紅蓮のリベレーター (the crimson [lotus] liberator).

I actually suspect Y'shtola the least because of the trailer. They also retconned her condition slightly. Instead of slowly draining her life force away until she dies, she is putting her body in intense stress to maintain her sight, and it will kill her if she continues. She'll probably have a story arc where she learns to do things without her eyes, or she'll learn a different way to see.

The former seems weird anyway, as the entire conjurer quest line revolves around a little girl who drains her own life force to heal, and then learns to draw the aether from nature, rather than from herself, and the damage she did to herself was reversible by not continuing her old ways.

Y'shtola is the poster child of this game, and she's this game's representative in the upcoming dissidia game. Revealing important deaths in a trailer is already a horrible way to advertise something, much worse when it's the character they use to market the game.

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Originally Posted by EdwinLi

Stuff about the player character being too strong

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You have to understand that this is an MMO. The genre has its limitations. You only control one character, which is your avatar with which you interact with everything and everyone else, and you have to have this character available for years. Maybe even a decade.

You can't reduce the WoL into a catatonic vegetable like Cloud. And you cannot make wiping at a boss mandatory.