Naoki Yoshida's Comment in Regard to Jump Potions/Boost Potions

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Originally Posted by LisannaTargaryen

The thing is with SB release the want 2 make a HW skip as well + lvl60 job potion. If you see Yoshi's responce he cleraly states they develop a HW skip atm.

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you are correct, but then the cap will have been raised, and new content will be out. Everyone will be on equal footing.

One thing I know if this ever happen to NA Servers, I'll stop playing. I started this game at 2.4, crawled my way up learning how to play the game. I spend 2 months like a beggar making itens in the streets of Ul'Dah. Now this? Someone can just buy their way up to lv.50 with money? I'm not against someone being allowed to jump Realm Reborn story, but make them level up their characters from level 1 like everyone fairly did. I can see a wave of garbage players who don't know how to tank or heal properly, and old players will pay for it. The reason I choose FFXIV over other MMOs was because it was fair to everyone, no cash shop for advantages. Its good I heard about this so I'll delay my purchase of Stormblood just see what will happen.

With the expansion, one should be made free. Even without the expansion tbh.

Done in such a way as to allow choice. Choose a Jump Job or a Jump story line or some other, cosmetic option. Future potions can be purchased. This doesn't seem like a full on cash grab and allows those who are determined to not use them agift as well.

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Originally Posted by LisannaTargaryen

You know implementing the potions costs resources as well?

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It takes less time and work to make something that is player activated that then proceeds to check off flags.

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Originally Posted by PeekayTom

I've played WoW myself as well as have friends who focus on it: The problem with the game isn't new players boosting to just beneath level cap. It's either stale content or the lack of content altogether. After WoD came out, there wasn't any new engaging content for a while. That's not the fault of new players.

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That's the thing WoW is not only WoD or Legion. 10 years full worth of content getting skipped cause of bad design practices. When ARR launched Yoshi said they wanted to fix past mistakes. And they fixing them. HW is much more concise experience with not a lot of Fat. For that reason idm skipping ARR all together. But they should go back and fix ARR questline. Make most of the quests optional and boost the exp gain. The 46-50 pain is real.

Who is Gaius? who is Cid? who is Louisoix? who is Iceheart? Who is Haurchefant? I paid $60 to skip all the story.

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Originally Posted by Fourbestintoner

Who is Gaius? who is Cid? who is Louisoix? who is Iceheart? Who is Haurchefant? I paid $60 to skip all the story.

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Lol as if that doesn't happen anyway. XIV being story driven doesn't mean everyone cares about it.

Most 2.0 players still don't really know how Louisoix is.

Why everyone assume that everyone and their mother will buy these potions?

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Originally Posted by Priya

If part of the reason to release these is to alleviate players needing to complete tons of story quests to progress... why not just remove the gates?

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the potion removes the gates. the dev time for it otherwise is impractical.

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Originally Posted by LisannaTargaryen

You know implementing the potions costs resources as well?

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I think you're the only one who knows making 1 item takes the same amount of resources as editing 2 expansions worth of main story quests.

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Originally Posted by CompSci88

Why everyone assume that everyone and their mother will buy these potions?

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Because Data provided by YoshiP already shows 30% of new players in China/Korea buy them. So it safe to assume a 15-20% in west markets will buy them.

Has the team considered how being able to level alts so quickly would affect the specialist system?

Powerleveling your crafters is relatively easy provided you have the gil, and now with the hurdles of reaching Idyllshire (or whatever the next hub city happens to be) removed, it'll just become commonplace for players to create alts for other specialists.

Mind you, that already happens even today. Content skip potions will just make it easier.

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Originally Posted by LisannaTargaryen

Because Data provided by YoshiP already shows 30% of new players in China/Korea buy them. So it safe to assume a 15-20% in west markets will buy them.

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when 1 out of 5 people becomes everyone, you know you have someone that doesn't understand facts.

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Originally Posted by SendohJin

the potion removes the gates. the dev time for it otherwise is impractical.
I think you're the only one who knows making 1 item takes the same amount of resources as editing 2 expansions worth of main story quests.

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Never stated it takes the same amount. But instead of asking to fix the leveling experience we applaud them for being lazy.

I am beyond excited for this! Also to all the doomsayers:

http://i.imgur.com/82e7eOE.gif

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Originally Posted by Melchkt

Has the team considered how being able to level alts so quickly would affect the specialist system?

Powerleveling your crafters is relatively easy provided you have the gil, and now with the hurdles of reaching Idyllshire (or whatever the next hub city happens to be) removed, it'll just become commonplace for players to create alts for other specialists.

Mind you, that already happens even today. Content skip potions will just make it easier.

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At least they didnt say anything about boosting crafters. So that front is safe and rewards players who put time on it.

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Originally Posted by LisannaTargaryen

Never stated it takes the same amount. But instead of asking to fix the leveling experience we applaud them for being lazy.

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They're not lazy, every minute that they are not rewriting a quest i already did they can be writing a new quest i have yet to do.

if you want to pay for them to rewrite the whole game start a gofundme and pay for it yourself, leave my sub fee alone.

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Originally Posted by LisannaTargaryen

That's the thing WoW is not only WoD or Legion. 10 years full worth of content getting skipped cause of bad design practices. When ARR launched Yoshi said they wanted to fix past mistakes. And they fixing them. HW is much more concise experience with not a lot of Fat. For that reason idm skipping ARR all together. But they should go back and fix ARR questline. Make most of the quests optional and boost the exp gain. The 46-50 pain is real.

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Originally Posted by LisannaTargaryen

see how the community feels even 2 years after.

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:confused:

I can agree to that last couple of sentences, but I don't see why another option altogether is a bad idea.

I like it and I'm gonna buy it!

Jump potions will be a good and timely addition to the game. It would be cool if there was also a tutorial of some sort to familiarize new players with their class at level 60, but regardless I'm glad they're being added. I'm looking forward to friends being able to catch up to all of us at endgame without spending months working through the 2.0 story.

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Originally Posted by jazzcatte

Jump potions will be a good and timely addition to the game. It would be cool if there was also a tutorial of some sort to familiarize new players with their class at level 60, but regardless I'm glad they're being added. I'm looking forward to friends being able to catch up to all of us at endgame without spending months working through the 2.0 story.

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Updating the Smith with a level 50/60 version of your class seems good. Like, a tutorial dungeon that's completely optional. Could also give Mentors a bonus for running that dungeon, helping people figure out their classes.

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Originally Posted by SendohJin

the potion removes the gates. the dev time for it otherwise is impractical.

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This doesn't make sense to me. Is it really that much dev time to just open dungeons so you can zone in?

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Originally Posted by LisannaTargaryen

You know implementing the potions costs resources as well? What you prefer a game that it will be unplayable if you dont shell out the money to jump? Because down the line thats gonna happen. At least now new players find new players into the DF. And you can not put the whole weight into mentor roulette where rewards are not worth it for the time spend (outside of being a good mentor) those queues for people who didnt pay will take more and more.

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The bulk of player who fill out the lower level duties are people using the Leveling Roulette. The Jump potions won't change this much. It won't make the game unplayable. The problem with levelling is and will continue to be how long it takes to grind through all the MSQ.

As for resources, the Jump potions already exist in the Chinese and Korean markets so the actual resources to implement these are relatively minor on their own and a far more permanent solution. Any streamlining with only help for one expansion before the length becomes a problem again.

That said I think resources should be implemented on support for things like Tutorials and story summary tools. However these features would be useful to all players so its not a complete loss of value to existing players.

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Originally Posted by Priya

This doesn't make sense to me. Is it really that much dev time to just open dungeons so you can zone in?

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I think there is an issue with the way their questing/unlocking/gating system works. When your dealing with elaborate programs changing small thing can require a surprising amount of actual work.

When I think about it further, I think people think that adding jump potions means that they won't also be working on making the story/leveling experience better. They're not just gonna implement the potions and call it a day, and anyone who swears that they will should probably back up their claim with more than just other claims.

Finally made a forum account just to comment on this.

I don't really mind the potions. Might even end up using one on an alt that's on a different server.
Though I would rather they actually fix the problems with progression in a different way instead of resorting to this.

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Originally Posted by Rita1989

I hate P2W so much

whats next?

pay to get items to give bonus xp?
pay to get a mount that moves faster?
pay to get equipment that always scales up to higher ilvl?
pay to skip steps of relic?

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This isn't P2W. You aren't winning anything. If you skip the story or leveling, you aren't going to be attempting Savage unless you're a very good player.

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Originally Posted by Fourbestintoner

Who is Gaius? who is Cid? who is Louisoix? who is Iceheart? Who is Haurchefant? I paid $60 to skip all the story.

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I know someone who can't even name all the Scions nor do they care to. They play to raid.

As others have mentioned, throw in a Hall of the Intermediate to help teach some of the more advanced elements of dungeon/boss fights (hopefully with an eye toward highlighting the importance of proper ability usage/rotations), and I have absolutely no problem with the implementation of jump potions as explained.

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Originally Posted by PeekayTom

Except for, you know, the whole level boosting thing that exists in another currently existing MMO, World of Warcraft. And should we be upset that the game that we all enjoy to play will get more money, especially after funds were taken from XIV to finish XV?

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What's your point!?... I never said I was against the potions, I welcome them but don't think SE does it without business in mind, that would be naive!...

And what on Earth is that WoW thing!?... Is it even a game!?... :p

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Originally Posted by Rita1989

I hate P2W so much

whats next?

pay to get items to give bonus xp?
pay to get a mount that moves faster?
pay to get equipment that always scales up to higher ilvl?
pay to skip steps of relic?

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I would pay for a doom and gloom potion...

Oh wait...

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Originally Posted by Bourne_Endeavor

I know someone who can't even name all the Scions nor do they care to. They play to raid.

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The OT in my FC's static didn't even know what Aether was. He literally has skipped every bit of story in the game and cares nothing about the lore. He is also one of my FC's oldest members having joined when we first formed back in 2.55.

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Originally Posted by SigmaOZ

What's your point!?... I never said I was against the potions, I welcome them but don't think SE does it without business in mind, that would be naive!...

And what on Earth is that WoW thing!?... Is it even a game!?... :p

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The point was calling it bad for business and the possible beginning of a decline seems a bit unfounded. The cash thing is just, shrugs. They made this game with business in mind, I just don't see the relevance in pointing that out for something like this. $30 for a moogle mount? Sure. Makes sense then.

I don't see many problems here...but as a subscriber since 2.0 hit...the ending of veterans rewards will hurt'em more than these potions will in sales.

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Originally Posted by Recaldy

I don't see many problems here...but as a subscriber since 2.0 hit...the ending of veterans rewards will hurt'em more than these potions will in cash earnings.

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Wait, did they ever mention ending veteran rewards? That's the first I've heard of this.

To me the solution seems pretty simple just add the story skip potions and perhaps increase friendship/mentor exp till lv60. It would take less than a week to reach lv60 and you wouldn't have that storyline roadblock allowing you to unlock the new jobs at lv30 if SE follows heavenward path. And makes the unlock quests capped at lv30. No reason to add lv jump potions. If someone friend cannot spend a 2 hours a day for 7-10 days to help his friend lv to 60 perhaps your friend should consider whether this game is for him or if he's just going to be his buddy helper.

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Originally Posted by PeekayTom

Wait, did they ever mention ending veteran rewards? That's the first I've heard of this.

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Currently the upcoming Squall costume is the last reward. (That I know of.)

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Originally Posted by Ragology

On the bright side, the game will finally be alt friendly.

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I wouldn't call alt friendly having to buy two potions at whatever ungodly price they set for them just so we don't have to crawl through the same quests again.

And again by not fixing the leveling expirience what is gonna happen is that skip potion is gonna be mandatory if you want 2 reach endgame requiring spending extra cash. That's a huge negative in my books. And because we are not WoW and you cant just LFR to level up and access endgame people who are not willing to spend the money in 1-2 years will just never play the game. The real solution is to streamline and fix the leveling experience making all cut scenes skippable but still force a progression via the MSQ.

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Originally Posted by Rita1989

I hate P2W so much

whats next?

pay to get items to give bonus xp?
pay to get a mount that moves faster?
pay to get equipment that always scales up to higher ilvl?
pay to skip steps of relic?

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Next will be raid gear potions, only a matter of time.

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Originally Posted by EdgeFayth

Are you ready to pay 30 bucks per alt?

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Yes. Saves time.

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Originally Posted by Recaldy

I don't see many problems here...but as a subscriber since 2.0 hit...the ending of veterans rewards will hurt'em more than these potions will in sales.

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I believe when they announced that they said they do have plans to implement a new rewards system.

My guess since the issue raised with the old system was it made the more recent rewards further and further out of reach for newer players even if they are loyal, is they will implement some kind of veteran currency system where you earn a veteran currency as you stay subs that you can turn in for veteran rewards. Of course that's is just a guess.

Making someone go through the story will not make them much better than they would have been with a jump potion. The MSQ teaches nothing about how to play your job. Bad players come from a mentality of it being ok to do the minimum required amount of effort to clear something. Story doesn't change that, Hall of the Novice teaches more than the entire story does, the only thing people learn from is themselves, and other players. The content is simply not punishing enough and the minimum bar to pass is very, very low.

People who don't care will continue to not care, if they cared they'd reach out for help. The skip doesn't change this.