Has anybody posted what the lore book had on Warriors and their gear yet? Also wondering if GC leaders and have been posted yet.
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10-17-2016, 06:43 AMPhetty
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10-17-2016, 06:48 AMMorningstar1337Thanks, but in Hindsight I think is should leave it to someone elseQuote:
Originally Posted by StarDrake
I linked a scan of the WoD lore on the last page. the tl'dr isQuote:
Originally Posted by Phetty
- Only Braveura is mentioned in Arbert's profile (He took the weapon upon pledging to become a Warrior of Darkness), also he had to slighter the other Warriors of Light form the First. (this implies that Lamimi, Naillbert, Blaenherz and J'rhoomale are not ex-Warriors of Light, or it could be more literal and he just killed the axmen). Also he started as a novice adventurer (Like Derplander in 1.0)
- Lamimi has a (unrequited given what happens to her and the rest after 3.4) love for Arbert and a motherly personality
- Naiilbert was originally a rival to Arbert, then Flood of Light happened. They shared a mercenary contract.
- Blaenherz met Arbert when he was abut a green adventurer and gave him counsel.
- J'rhoomale was picked up by chance. And apprently her sadistic streak is attributed to "feeling the weight of the world on her shoulders more keenly than her companions"
- The Ascian they willed was Mitron, counterpart to Belias.
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10-17-2016, 08:58 AMEloahThat is freaky, but interesting. Now when will i get my ice powers?Quote:
Originally Posted by PArcher
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10-17-2016, 10:16 AMEul
I really need answer for the SCH's LB3 faerie... Hope it reveals at lore book :eek:
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10-17-2016, 11:04 AMmyaheleAngel Feather'sQuote:
Originally Posted by Eul
"The faerie spread her angelic wings, and a shimmering light exploded over the battlefield. As it washed over me, I felt my pain subside, and where I thought myself fatally broken, I was whole again" -- Anonymous adventurer describing the healing power of a scholar's faerie companion
That's pretty much what it says about SCH LB3. Though it's nice to kinda see it from the perspective of someone in the game world -
10-17-2016, 11:19 AMPowe" Ques Bayonetta angel fighting theme song" I would wager it would look like Bayonetta angels or something of the sortQuote:
Originally Posted by WyrahFhurrst
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10-17-2016, 11:27 AMMorningstar1337
I still stand by my theory that the Light void is a world without matter or aether. A place where the consciousness is frozen and non-existent. Plus So far Angels only existed as Lily's Super Mode, the inspiration for a staute that became a golem and a dark-aspected voidsent (and the latter is more of a Fallen Angel, a mockery of the concept you had in mind)
Theres also the matter of theri (lack of) appearance in the source. If anything let along Voidsent were suffered to exist in the First as a void of Light then surely they would had been able to follow Arbert, Lamimi and the rest into the source using their own methods (i.e possession) -
10-17-2016, 11:34 AMPhetty
Sorry to be clear I meant the Job Warrior not the WoD. I've seen just about every job but mine it feels like. Plus I'd like to know more about our Relics and such.
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10-17-2016, 11:56 AMWriter
Here ya go you guys (no, it's not me):
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10-17-2016, 12:05 PMBelhi
Wait a sec.... If Estinien is using Gae Blog... does that mean mine was a fake!?!?!
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10-17-2016, 12:30 PMPowe
Btw is there a chart depecting the order of voidsent? I've been wondering where this freakling tier that's been used to describe voidsent is.
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10-17-2016, 12:31 PMMorningstar1337It seems very unlikely. For starters all the relic weapons are as the name implies, relics. Antiques, old. The Gae Bolg Estinein uses was likely made more recently.Quote:
Originally Posted by Belhi
Plus a lot of the relics seemed to had been mass produced in their heydey anyway like the Stardust Rods. -
10-17-2016, 12:39 PMAnonymooseI haven't made it all the way through the book yet, so just drop a citation on (and ignore) me if I'm just mistaken here, but: Are we sure that vanquished means killed in this case? The word doesn't always mean "killed", just "defeated" or "overcome" in any way.Quote:
Originally Posted by Morningstar1337
We saw Arbert wielding a blade of light in the aetherial sea, as we did against Lahabrea; yet that only cast him out of Thancred and destroyed a dark crystal. Mitron might still be out there sans a vessel of the First and some wasted time.
It feels wrong, but until I find a place that the book is wrong in a different assumption, I have to accept it as an extraordinary heavy weight on the scales of probability... bummed, though I am.Quote:
Originally Posted by DE-Roxas
Never mind the two male-explicit pronouns in Japanese ("What if the Lodestone was deliberate misinformation? And surely Gaius didn't know better if Eula was hiding it.") or that the JP-built model was male in the DATs and had a male voice pack ("What if Eula was wearing armor built for a man and faking a deeper voice?") or that Yoshida-san himself said "always man" when asked in person at Fan Fest I ("What if he was just trying to cover the mistakes with some consistency that the lore book has negated the need?") or that Rise and Fall of the White Raven was considered accurate by the lore team in its day despite it needing an update now ("What if ... Ascians?") or that other things have changed, too, such as Bradamante's lore ("What if the Lodestone was just always wrong? It said the spear was said to be named for someone Darnus slew; it made no promises.")Quote:
Originally Posted by StarDrake
I, for one, think we should just take the Encyclopaedia Eorzea as a gift and forsake everything else. What was the purpose of debate? To find the Truth. Here it is, in black and white (or black and parchment, I guess). Is it possible that a chunk of it is a masterful post hoc clean-up? Sure. Are some development stitches showing? Sure seems like it. But it's done. There it is: Truth.
I'm takin' it. -
10-17-2016, 01:08 PMBelhiThe Lore book, that calls Estinien's weapon Gae Bolg, seems to describe it as a holy relic. It would seem strange to have two relics with the same name and the same appearance. That would just be confusing.Quote:
Originally Posted by Morningstar1337
I get why people are such big fans of Gaius but I don't see why people feel him actually being dead is wrong. Infact it's very believable. The guy would probably be 60 by now. Let him go guys.... He has had his run.Quote:
Originally Posted by Anonymoose
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10-17-2016, 01:14 PMCiliaIf I recall rightly, when you go to have Gerolt make the Gae Bolg, he sarcastically asks you why you don't just go have Ishgard make you one. I was under the impression that it's a pretty common weapon among Dragoons - or at least Azure Dragoons, since running off memory I believe Haldrath also had one - so Estinien having Gae Bolg was hardly surprising. It's like a mark of mastery for Dragoons, so to speak.Quote:
Originally Posted by Belhi
All the relics are replicas anyway. It's not until you start powering it up that it matches the weapon of legend, and even then the Gae Bolg's ultimate form is an entirely different weapon (Longinus), so... -
10-17-2016, 01:19 PMAnonymooseI meant that something feels subjectively, internally amiss; an intangible hesitation when looking at the big picture. Not to parrot my Griffin posts again and again, but of course it's believable that someone standing in the middle of a bunch of explosions is probably dead. The scales were always weighted pretty heavily against him coming back, and I'm willing to let him go for the lore book's sake.Quote:
Originally Posted by Belhi
It's just ... something about it makes my brain itch (and probably for no good reason).
Pretty sure you do. Even the trailer dragoons and quest NPCs have Gae Bolgs, iirc.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cilia
It, and the Drachen equipment, seem to be standardized Knight Dragoon equipment.
On another topic...
I'm seeing mentions of Nanamo's parents and I can't tell if Sasabal or Sasabaru is the mistaken English variant of the name. Sasabal Ul Sisibal is from way back in 1.0, whereas Sasabaru has been seen more recently ... but I didn't even need to go back that far. As of 3.4, English and French don't even agree on Sasabal Ul Sisibal vs. Sasabaru on the Loyal Pleco. -
10-17-2016, 01:47 PMBelhi
The Lore book says this:
"The Holy See bestowed the legendary spear Gae Bolg upon Estinien after he was awarded the title of Azure Dragoon. However, when he was possessed by the Shade of Nidhoog, the spear was twisted and transformed by the great wyrm's magicks. Upon Estinien's disappearance from the infirmary, it was discovered that Gae Bolg too, had vanished."
'The legendary spear Gae Bolg' sounds like its refering to a specific weapon rather than a generally used Dragoon weapon.
Of course I could just be reading too much into how the thing is phrased.
Edit: Oh! Carvallain was the heir to House Durendaire. He just hated the role and pretended to be a bannerman so he could travel. When he was taken prisoner by pirates he lept at the chance to be recruited by the pirates.
So does that make him Jannequinard's older brother?
Biggs and Wedge were from the lowest caste in Garlemald being commoners in annexed Garlean territories and were conscripted into Garlemald's armies. They deserted and fled to Eorzea to defect. There names Biggs and Wedge are actually alias's they use to keep the identities of their families who still live in Garlemald hidden.
It sounds like people without citizenship in Garlean territories have little to no rights. -
10-17-2016, 01:57 PMWriter
http://66.media.tumblr.com/58370e749...38jo2_1280.jpg
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10-17-2016, 02:05 PMAnonymooseWhen all else fails, I turn back to the Lodestone entries from 2012.Quote:
Originally Posted by Belhi
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There is a custom still observed in Ishgard today which ordains that the Holy See bestow a polearm dubbed Gae Bolg upon any lancer who ascends to the station of dragoon. Exactly how his weapon is forged remains a mystery, as the very few highland smiths who create them are sworn to keep their methods secret. All that is known is that the bones of dragons slain in the name of Halone are worked into both haft and head, achieving an unmatched balance between lightness and strength.
There's even a little hint about it in the Astrologian storyline about him being the thir-...SECOND son of the family.Quote:
Originally Posted by Belhi
Rocl some-the-hells-how prized that conclusion out back in the 2.0 cycle (granted, as headcanon at the time). Even before his original post about it here in the forums, we'd joked about it while looking for support. It was a serious [Oh, gods damn it.] moment when I walked into western Coerthas at 3.0 launch and there was Gorgagne Mills. -
10-17-2016, 02:20 PMBelhi
I thought it might be the case but I was thrown off the scent by the story that is apparently behind Gorgagne Mills.
Another question I would like answered.... Why the hell to the Ishgardians bury so many of their dead all the way out there. I mean seriously, isn't there a graveyard a little closer to the city? -
10-17-2016, 02:50 PMExKage
Anyone think a thread should be made in the case of clarifications needed or what might be inconsistencies? (A few comments were made when I posted that Seekers pic on tumblr and others have commented about Nunh leaders).
Also, I learn new words every day. seolc is silk. o.o; -
10-17-2016, 02:51 PMTheodricThat doesn't sound all that different to Eorzea given the state of places such as the Brume and Pearl Lane. Interestingly enough the best route of of both places is similar to what Garlemald is often criticised for: conscription. It's just less forced in Eorzea's case.Quote:
Originally Posted by Belhi
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10-17-2016, 03:46 PMAnonymooseDone and done!Quote:
Originally Posted by ExKage
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10-17-2016, 05:15 PMBalipuHow was it worded actually? Did it say someone Darnus slew, or did it say Bradamante was the spear's first victim? The latter would be true from a certain point of view.Quote:
Originally Posted by Anonymoose
By the way I don't think we should overthink Rise of the White Raven that much. Everyone ingame believed Nael to be male. Mostly because Nael really was male. Emphasis on WAS. What makes the switch so perfect that after shaking off Bahamut's tempering, Eula is confused about being in a body not her own. We believed the confusion is because Nael turned into a woman but actually her original female body was replaced by a fake female body constructed by Bahamut. It really wasn't her own.
I wonder with the Garleans back in the limelight in Stormblood, will we learn more about Eula or perhaps the real Nael. -
10-17-2016, 05:20 PMIgnnis
Anyone know when the lore book will be up for order on the store? Seen a few pages saying the 17th (today) yet its not there :(
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10-17-2016, 05:37 PMKhalitharIt is still pretty early, the NA store might not be updated yet.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ignnis
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10-17-2016, 06:11 PMAnonymooseQuote:
Originally Posted by Balipu
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その背に負いしは、過去に殺めし乙女の名を持つガンハルバード「ブラダマンテ」。
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Bradamante—a gunhalberd said to be named for a warrior maiden he slew.
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Die Kanonenhellebarde auf seinem Rücken trug den Namen eines jungen Mädchens, mit dessen Blut er sie zuerst besudelte — Bradamante.
JP seems vaguer than the rest; "Carried on the back, the gunhalberd Bradamante possesses the name of a maiden killed in the past." I think that's how to read it, but I can't really tell if nuances and context imply that she was killed by someone other than herself. Granted, if that was the case, it doesn't look like anybody was told or ever corrected. EN says he killed her, FR says he killed her, DE says her blood was the first with which he sullied his blade, I think?Quote:
Son arme, une hallebarde revolver, est appelée « Bradamante », le nom d'une jeune fille qu'il aurait tuée.
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10-17-2016, 06:19 PMIgnnisIts up \o/ brace yourselves, SE store is probably going to crash...Quote:
Originally Posted by Khalithar
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10-17-2016, 06:21 PMYuella
Looks like Far Eastern Hyurs are neither midlanders nor highlanders. Oboro's bio says he's Hyur (Far Eastern) instead of Hyur (Midlander)
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10-17-2016, 06:28 PMPoweWhat's the name for it up there, still can't find itQuote:
Originally Posted by Ignnis
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10-17-2016, 06:35 PMIgnnisGo to the games drop down menu and click Final Fantasy XIV, it'll be thereQuote:
Originally Posted by Powe
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10-17-2016, 06:39 PMPoweStill not there, can you link the products page?Quote:
Originally Posted by Ignnis
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10-17-2016, 06:51 PMPowe
Yea it's up on the EU website but not America, I even copied and pasted the product name from the EU site and searched in the NA site but still nothing
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10-17-2016, 06:52 PMKhalitharGive it a bit. It's still early in the NA.Quote:
Originally Posted by Powe
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10-17-2016, 06:56 PMPoweWell a guy said it was up so eh, though the 150 dollar Odin emote that comes with a free statue was updated.Quote:
Originally Posted by Khalithar
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10-17-2016, 07:46 PMCyrilLucifer
Ah, super excited about the Igeyorhm information.
I almost feel like that's something that should have been in-game in some way? She got next to nothing before she was unceremoniously thrown away. -
10-17-2016, 08:01 PMBristolRuss
Just ordered my lore book. Excited!
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10-17-2016, 08:18 PMHinoto-no-Ryuji
I'm still reading through mine - only about 100 pages in - and the book itself is kind of...interesting. Gorgeous and filled with fascinating information, to be sure, but it sometimes comes across as having been written by multiple (fictional) authors, as what they know and don't know seems kind of arbitrary and changes from chapter to chapter - for instance, as we all know, the book confirms Nael to have actually been his sister, and yet refers to Nael via male pronouns throughout the portion that summarizes 1.0's story, making no mention of Eula.
It's not really throwing off my enjoyment of it at all, so it's sort of nitpicky, and I can't wait to learn a bit more about..well, everything. A couple things of note so far:
-Ozma is, astonishingly, not mentioned anywhere. The section on the War of the Magi is quite lengthy, but aside from an appearance in an illustration of the Pyramid, everyone's favorite superboss is completely MIA. This seems odd, considering it swallowed a huge chunk of Nym; you'd think that would at least get a mention, even if Ozma itself was unknown to the author.
-Quite a few interesting tidbits out of the 6th Astral Era timeline, too. So it seems that, while Rabanastre is an Othardian nation, Dalmasca is located in Ilsabard. And speaking of Othard, it seems the Bozja Citadel is located there; is that something we already knew? I feel like it wasn't.
Cool stuff! Regarding Au Ra lore:
They're presented in the same way as anything else - as a Race of Man that just happens to have horns and scales. There are no implications towards them being related to "demons" in any way.Quote:
Originally Posted by MiniPrinny
Well, it's part of their creation myth, not a statement on their current relations. While they're not exactly at each others' throats in modern times, I think it's a bit of a stretch to say they get along; between the Xaela being suspicious towards any outsiders and the fact that they live in such different pats of Othard, they probably actually see very little of one another.Quote:
Originally Posted by Knahli
On to City-State lore now!
(also, Moose! You were at FanFest! I wanted you to sign my Encyclopedia, and then realized I had no way of identifying you even if we did cross paths. Probably should've thought of that first...) -
10-17-2016, 09:45 PMRahela
I'm not sure if it should go in here or the bug report thread, but Leveva's entire profile is outright contradictory. First off, Encyclopedia Eorzea says 'her mother died in childbirth, and her father a scant few years later.' Except Leveva's father Rufin was murdered in Ishgard either right before or after her birth, twenty years ago, which contradicts her age being given as 16. And for that matter, a rather glaring oversight is that Leveva's mother is still alive! She tried to stop her daughter from going to Eorzea and was used as one of Sevestre's bargaining chips in the level 58 quest.
I don't know how this kind of huge mistake happened, but it's only the first major one I've managed to find, and I'm sure there's more. -
10-17-2016, 11:33 PMStarDrakeIf anything, the absolute opposite is true.Quote:
Originally Posted by MiniPrinny
Careful reading of certain bits of the Allagan lore, especially the bits concerning Meracydia, stop exactly short of confirming the Au Ra are related to dragons. Two rather prominent dragons, at that.
But no, there is absolutely no discussion of "demons" in relation to the Au Ra.
Yeah, the lack of Ozma was a little surprising. It still seems like Ozma was used as a knockout blow against Nym (and maybe it just isn't widely recorded even now, as we're the only ones who saw inside of it), but there's no sure way of knowing. Curiously, none of the three major cities were completely wiped out before the flood came and did form Grand Companies out of the battered remains of their militaries.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hinoto-no-Ryuji
By the way, the book essentially confirms that the main bulk of the War of the Magi was between Mhach and Amdapor - with satellite states, cities and townships being brought in on one side or the other. The Nymians were the main "neutral" power that tried to fight them both off, with some but not total success (until they proved to be too annoying for Mhach to just leave alone...)
Also, Dunesfolk are uniformly the descendants of Mhachi Lalafell. While I figured they were related, I hadn't expected it to be so clearly sweeping, but the book makes no bones about it.
This is all kind of making me want to go lalafell again - my main job is now confirmed to have started with the Plainsfolk (and I was sort of right about the Nymians integrating into Limsa and influencing it - you just need to add a step of "returned to the islands for a few centuries" in between the Sixth Umbral and the founding of Limsa. And it is a bit unclear just how "Nymian" they still were after all that time, though I doubt a Lalafell being the founder of the Arcanist's Guild and of Mealvaan's Gate is just coincidence...) And then of course I also BLM a whole bunch, and the black mages were explicitly founded by the ancestors of the Dunesfolk...
? I need to check again, but I distinctly remember "Doma and Dalmasca" being listed as Othardian nations, Dalmasca even being inferred as a neighbor to Doma. I would imagine Rabanastre is just the capital of Dalmasca, same as XII.Quote:
-Quite a few interesting tidbits out of the 6th Astral Era timeline, too. So it seems that, while Rabanastre is an Othardian nation, Dalmasca is located in Ilsabard. And speaking of Othard, it seems the Bozja Citadel is located there; is that something we already knew? I feel like it wasn't.