Confusion: Archer to Bard? Where is the Ranger Job?

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Originally Posted by PrettyPrincess

of course it's not going to be a heavy DD. Will it be at least decent though? Probably.

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Decent like archer is now? Which is pretty damn terrible and not worth using for actual DD. But don't get me wrong I don't have a problem with the job bard what I have a problem with is going from a job that was traditional heavy range DD and turning it into a support job. That is not right at all, I'm sure plenty of people leveled archer with the intention of being a range DD and as it currently stands there specialist job is a job that traditional does the exact opposite.

But like I said i pray that archer leads into another pure DD based range attacker or else its just a kick in the nuts to people that wanted to be pure DD.

Yes JudgeN, going by your logic, they never made DNC into a healer...
They can make BRD into a buffer and DD. (aka COR)
We do NOT know.
Is it possible they will F it up? Quite.
But I still have the slightest glimmer of hope for Yoshida.
(But I won't lie, if they do ANYTHING stupid, like make BRD pure sing sing sing Buff Buff Buff, and that's it, I will know Yoshida is not capable of fixing this game properly.)

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Originally Posted by Claire_Pendragon

Yes JudgeN, going by your logic, they never made DNC into a healer...
They can make BRD into a buffer and DD. (aka COR)
We do NOT know.
Is it possible they will F it up? Quite.
But I still have the slightest glimmer of hope for Yoshida.
(But I won't lie, if they do ANYTHING stupid, like make BRD pure sing sing sing Buff Buff Buff, and that's it, I will know Yoshida is not capable of fixing this game properly.)

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Shit when I quit FFXI DNC still weren't that great except for a subjob, can't say what they turned into now. I understand they can do a buffer/DD job like corsair but that is not my point, people didn't level archer to be a buffer. They leveled archer because it was a pure range damage dealer like ranger and they want whatever to continue to follow that path with its specialist job, right now it doesn't look like thats going to be an option.

I know we don't know what bard will actually do but we can look at traditionally what a bard has done in the final fantasy universe and form an idea of how its going to play correct?

For those who keep associating archer vs bard with them both having to be DD, let me put a few thoughts forward

JOBS make you a specialized role.
they DO NOT enhance your class itself

You can stay archer for DD, or turn bard for an enhancing class
you get 2 roles for the price of 1 with this! dont think of it as having to be 1 or the other, you just go as what is needed and leave it at that

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Originally Posted by Physic

Ok the real answer, they only have 6 classes and they wanted to make them fit the standard roles, melee dd, caster dd, tank, healer, and support.

So they basically had to make one caster DD, and make one DD support, they realized that they couldnt make any of the other DD support, but thier are some precedents for a support ranged class, also it would solve the issue of archer being too OP in DD with the least risk of any job.

one day they may add a ranger offshoot to archer, but not today. Dont worry though, theres a good chance bard will overall be a really powerful job, combining buffing with decent damage, is a pretty good pick, especially since no one else will have the ability to do any noticeable status boosting, and they will probably have good CC options.

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Originally Posted by Onidemon

Are you serious dude? I'm refering to rangers in FFXI or other mmos which plays exactly like archers do now.

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I am very serious. You appearently seem to be a little confussed though. The deffinition of ranger in FFXI is not a common one. You made one very incorrect assumption that all MMOS ranger's are archers and that just very wrong.

Rangers in MMOs got there name from the fact that whey were the characters of the definition I offered, and are offten duel sword or duel axe uses in MMOs.

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Originally Posted by JudgeN

Shit when I quit FFXI DNC still weren't that great except for a subjob, can't say what they turned into now. I understand they can do a buffer/DD job like corsair but that is not my point, people didn't level archer to be a buffer. They leveled archer because it was a pure range damage dealer like ranger and they want whatever to continue to follow that path with its specialist job, right now it doesn't look like thats going to be an option.

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Yeah, they leveled ARC to do ranged damage. Whats that got to do with bard though?

Everyone wants to act like they have to chose the job offered. Thats not the case. If you want a job and don't want the one for this class, change classes, and do that job. The other option is to wait untill a new round of jobs is released that you do like for the class.

In answer to OP: they thought it would be a bright idea to make absolutely no sense for the class progression.

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Originally Posted by TheVedis

For those who keep associating archer vs bard with them both having to be DD, let me put a few thoughts forward

JOBS make you a specialized role.
they DO NOT enhance your class itself

You can stay archer for DD, or turn bard for an enhancing class
you get 2 roles for the price of 1 with this! dont think of it as having to be 1 or the other, you just go as what is needed and leave it at that

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ya i think parties would accept archer if the party needs DD, and already has a bard.

Also, i think archer dd output needs to be enhanced alot since they have to buy/make arrows. If SE needs to lower their defense for balance is totaly fine with me.

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Originally Posted by Engineer

ya i think parties would accept archer if the party needs DD, and already has a bard.

Also, i think archer dd output needs to be enhanced alot since they have to buy/make arrows. If SE needs to lower their defense for balance is totaly fine with me.

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defense is only a balance for offense when defense matters. archers have the longest range in the game, if any one can avoid an attack through positioning, its likely to be an archer.

I still think they need to tweak archer, but to be honest imo it should never be the dps king, and it should only be equal dps if it has equal risk, maybe they can make game mechanics too that effect, but we shall see.

people are looking at ifrit as the ultimate test of all charchters worths, but it is not, its just one fight. Fact remains even now, you will probably have better chance of success in darkhold with a bunch of archers. And in the coming moogle battle i think archer will definately have an advantage if they give them a crowd control, debuff and buff options. when fighting multiple moogles at once, i think the guy who can bind, debuff and handle targets from a distance will have a definate advantage.

ifrit was a melee brn down, it makes sense he was designed that way, being the element of fire and symbol of power, I expect moogles to be a way more cerebral fight. Garuda? will probably definately have an advantage with arrows versus a monster that will probably fly. damn pugilist gonna have some probs on that.

Ill be honest, i havent read too many pages of this thread, and i havent seen too much info about how/what/which jobs will be released. I keep thinking it would be nice if they did jobs sorta like SWTOR is set up. Start Archer then u can do Brd or Rng. In Swtor its one or the other but it could be either or in FFXIV. Theres really no limit to how they can present it to us. A few jobs per class.

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Originally Posted by JudgeN

I understand they can do a buffer/DD job like corsair but that is not my point, people didn't level archer to be a buffer. They leveled archer because it was a pure range damage dealer like ranger and they want whatever to continue to follow that path with its specialist job, right now it doesn't look like thats going to be an option.

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I absolutely agree.
If a class is going to become a role, it needs to be something people know ahead of time.

I'm also a fan of having every type of DD support tank or healer combination possible, to have ppl find the class/role that best fits them.

When i heard jobs were coming i was so hoping that Archer would advance into Ranger. And that the job quest and skills would enrich the flavour of the class in a DD sort of way.

However, those hoping for a bow ranger can only hope that down the road, that Ranger will be an offshoot of Archer.

With the revelation of Bard however, i think SE envisions Archers differently. Actually i think it'll be cool that they don't make Archers DD but instead (i suspect) that the direction SE is heading is for archer to inflict moderate DD (hopefully) but add significant status aliments. (Aim
for the Eyes - blinds/ Hamstring shot - heavy, Bloodletter - bleed, etc etc)

Here's precedence -
http://finalfantasy.wikia.com/wiki/Archer

i think it makes sense. Enfeebles in Archer and Buffing as Bard in the more bowharp relevant way as (as opposed to harp/horn), would make for a complete and actually interesting support class.

My only gripe is that if im paying for arrows, if its not damage, then what am i paying for?

Actually be really cool to have specific arrows enhance corresponding enfeebles.

What do you guys think?
(p/s SE: release 1.20 info already!!!

Well, I for one am glad that more people that feel they should have added a ranged DD are speaking up. Hopefully SE will read this thread and add something for us, keeping the support for those who want to go that route.

Where have you gotten this info about Archer --> Bard? I haven't seen any official posts about it, can someone link me plz :D

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Originally Posted by Mamba

Where have you gotten this info about Archer --> Bard? I haven't seen any official posts about it, can someone link me plz :D

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I can't remember where I read it, but i can tell you that:
Archer - > Bard
Lancer -> Dragoon
Pugilist -> Monk
Marauder -> Warrior
Gladiator -> Paladin
Conjurer -> White Mage
Thaumaturge -> Black Mage

If you go to this link and check out the 4 pdf files at the bottom there is a lot of info in general about the future and changes.
http://lodestone.finalfantasyxiv.com...ser/index.html

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Originally Posted by Felis

Of course you can. Just equip a gun.

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I was thinking about get a dd job from the ranger, not to lv a new one >.>

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Originally Posted by Skuld

I was thinking about get a dd job from the ranger, not to lv a new one >.>

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People don't seem to understand the real issue at hand. That is probably why they keep replying with, "don't play bard, pick a different class to play that does damage."

People do get the issue. I can almost see where you are comming from with the "people didn't level archer to be a bard" mentality. What I am not understanding, Is why your upset about it. You made a false assumption. You appear to have hyped your self up on your false assumption. When the actual facts of the situation were released you fell from the high you hyped yourself up to based on your false assumption. thats no ones fault but yours.

When they announced "jobs" they very specifically said :

Jobs
The job system - that series-defining trademark - will be implemented in FINAL FANTASY XIV (details such as specific jobs TBA). Quests to unlock each job will become available once you have reached a certain rank in the corresponding class.
Rather than being advanced versions of classes, we would like players to think of jobs as specialized playing styles optimized for partying. While playing as a particular job will render you unable to equip certain actions of other classes, you will be compensated with access to exclusive actions, which can be acquired through quests.


This was released in may, here on the lodestone. Right after the fact that jobs would be released. If you falsely assumed that this would some how relate to a Hunter/Ranger bow oriented job, you were off base to make that assumption and are wrong to blame anyone besides yourself.

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Originally Posted by Coglin

Rather than being advanced versions of classes, we would like players to think of jobs as specialized playing styles optimized for partying. While playing as a particular job will render you unable to equip certain actions of other classes, you will be compensated with access to exclusive actions, which can be acquired through quests.

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People do not get the issue. Why SE is not giving us a ranged DD job "as specialized playing style optimized for partying"? Not instead of a BRD, but in addition to it, maybe? SE already said, that LNC will be able to branch into Dragoon or into something else. Why not Archer too?

there is a lesson there, don't assume

assume makes and ass out of you and me
ass-u-me

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Originally Posted by Coglin

People do get the issue. I can almost see where you are comming from with the "people didn't level archer to be a bard" mentality. What I am not understanding, Is why your upset about it. You made a false assumption. You appear to have hyped your self up on your false assumption. When the actual facts of the situation were released you fell from the high you hyped yourself up to based on your false assumption. thats no ones fault but yours.

When they announced "jobs" they very specifically said :

Jobs
The job system - that series-defining trademark - will be implemented in FINAL FANTASY XIV (details such as specific jobs TBA). Quests to unlock each job will become available once you have reached a certain rank in the corresponding class.
Rather than being advanced versions of classes, we would like players to think of jobs as specialized playing styles optimized for partying. While playing as a particular job will render you unable to equip certain actions of other classes, you will be compensated with access to exclusive actions, which can be acquired through quests.


This was released in may, here on the lodestone. Right after the fact that jobs would be released. If you falsely assumed that this would some how relate to a Hunter/Ranger bow oriented job, you were off base to make that assumption and are wrong to blame anyone besides yourself.

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Your right except I and others had their archer to 50 long long long before this game even started to talk about specialized jobs. So now i'm going to say this again as someone who was playing archer from the begin. There was no assumption on my part they seem to be taking a job that was purely damage dealer and turning into a support job A FULL YEAR AFTER the game has been released. It just doesn't make sense.

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Originally Posted by JudgeN

There was no assumption on my part they seem to be taking a job that was purely damage dealer and turning into a support job A FULL YEAR AFTER the game has been released. It just doesn't make sense.

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I agree with you and I understand what most Archers must feel by now, my take is that this is one measure to the issue where there was no full buffer/debuffer, few mages and way too many DDs. ARC was sadly what they chose to victimize in order to stabilize and balance the combat job mechanics in regard to pt content.

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Originally Posted by JudgeN

Your right except I and others had their archer to 50 long long long before this game even started to talk about specialized jobs. So now i'm going to say this again as someone who was playing archer from the begin. There was no assumption on my part they seem to be taking a job that was purely damage dealer and turning into a support job A FULL YEAR AFTER the game has been released. It just doesn't make sense.

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one of the things people asked for were major changes to eorzea thyat might change things the way they were used to. I didnt, but many did. Another thing is archer was heading for a changing, it was too advantageous to do the best damage and take the least risk. This was a mistake on their parts. I remember someone ranting about them needing a nerf sooner rather than later, so that a whole bunch of people who leveled it to be the best for endgame content werent pissed off when they had to take em down.

Many people mocked him, but sadly he was very right.
regardless of job, archer was going to lose its DD position, now, Even if they added ranger as the jobs focus, it still most likely wouldnt be a DD focus, it would probably have more options on debuffs, cc and maybe even trap type stuff.

That said i dont think archer is completely adjusted yet, so you should probably wait to see the changes that are coming, and how they will effect archer, and other classes (if other classes arent as powerful, then archer is more powerful) I personally would be more concerned about making archer play better and have more synergy, a more fun job, than their ultimate dps. They lost a lot of entertainment value in multishot and trifurcate now that they dont get tp. Starts too feel like your just stacking TP to WS with no depth.

something interesting, some people are claiming that dex is the modifier for ranged attack, if this is the case, rangers will go up in effeciency substantially from being able to use one stat for accuracy and damage. We really have to see the full effects of these changes before we are even sure where archer stands.

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Originally Posted by Coglin

People do get the issue. I can almost see where you are comming from with the "people didn't level archer to be a bard" mentality. What I am not understanding, Is why your upset about it. You made a false assumption. You appear to have hyped your self up on your false assumption. When the actual facts of the situation were released you fell from the high you hyped yourself up to based on your false assumption. thats no ones fault but yours.

When they announced "jobs" they very specifically said :

Jobs
The job system - that series-defining trademark - will be implemented in FINAL FANTASY XIV (details such as specific jobs TBA). Quests to unlock each job will become available once you have reached a certain rank in the corresponding class.
Rather than being advanced versions of classes, we would like players to think of jobs as specialized playing styles optimized for partying. While playing as a particular job will render you unable to equip certain actions of other classes, you will be compensated with access to exclusive actions, which can be acquired through quests.


This was released in may, here on the lodestone. Right after the fact that jobs would be released. If you falsely assumed that this would some how relate to a Hunter/Ranger bow oriented job, you were off base to make that assumption and are wrong to blame anyone besides yourself.

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Maybe you should re-read that bold text again, and then look at all of the jobs that have been released. A gladiator is a tank, so is a paladin. A PGL is a DD so is a Monk. A Lancer is a DD and the Dragoon will only enhance their capabilities. A CNJ has the best healing in the game, so will the WHM. A THM does the most damage of the casters, so will the Black mage ETC. But instead we have a class who was first advertised as a DD (even the intro cinematic shows the ARC GETTING buffed with fire and the like, to launch a 3 arrow multi-shot) being turned into something completley opposite of it's original, and to some extent current function.

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Originally Posted by Yonnji

People do not get the issue. Why SE is not giving us a ranged DD job "as specialized playing style optimized for partying"? Not instead of a BRD, but in addition to it, maybe? SE already said, that LNC will be able to branch into Dragoon or into something else. Why not Archer too?

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and this is where we wait for "round 2" of jobs
nothing says this is the end all of what we are getting after all, just the first wave

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Originally Posted by Lavani

Maybe you should re-read that bold text again, and then look at all of the jobs that have been released. A gladiator is a tank, so is a paladin. A PGL is a DD so is a Monk. A Lancer is a DD and the Dragoon will only enhance their capabilities. A CNJ has the best healing in the game, so will the WHM. A THM does the most damage of the casters, so will the Black mage ETC. But instead we have a class who was first advertised as a DD (even the intro cinematic shows the ARC GETTING buffed with fire and the like, to launch a 3 arrow multi-shot) being turned into something completley opposite of it's original, and to some extent current function.

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uhhh we dont really know what monk will be, they never said DD or Tank, and they seemed to already shift its hp, and give it caster materia access. i wouldnt be so sure that it will be that similar to what it was before. Con got totally pushed to whm, when before these last rounds of updates, thaum was actually just as good, in some cases better at healing. so yeah

con thm archer so far have the major changes to their whole style, pugilist is unknown, gld and marauder are in the same space, and lancer is close enough to what it was, although before it was a little less DD and a little more utility (still has the utility, but that utility is eclipsed by dmg)

archer is not the only one hit with the huge change bat. In fact archer always felt half developed, it was supposed to get a bunch of utility arrows, that they apparently decided to say screw you to.

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Originally Posted by Physic

one of the things people asked for were major changes to eorzea thyat might change things the way they were used to. I didnt, but many did. Another thing is archer was heading for a changing, it was too advantageous to do the best damage and take the least risk. This was a mistake on their parts. I remember someone ranting about them needing a nerf sooner rather than later, so that a whole bunch of people who leveled it to be the best for endgame content werent pissed off when they had to take em down.

Many people mocked him, but sadly he was very right.
regardless of job, archer was going to lose its DD position, now, Even if they added ranger as the jobs focus, it still most likely wouldnt be a DD focus, it would probably have more options on debuffs, cc and maybe even trap type stuff.

That said i dont think archer is completely adjusted yet, so you should probably wait to see the changes that are coming, and how they will effect archer, and other classes (if other classes arent as powerful, then archer is more powerful) I personally would be more concerned about making archer play better and have more synergy, a more fun job, than their ultimate dps. They lost a lot of entertainment value in multishot and trifurcate now that they dont get tp. Starts too feel like your just stacking TP to WS with no depth.

something interesting, some people are claiming that dex is the modifier for ranged attack, if this is the case, rangers will go up in effeciency substantially from being able to use one stat for accuracy and damage. We really have to see the full effects of these changes before we are even sure where archer stands.

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Yea the game needs change because it was a terrible game when it was released and it still needs change but the changes need to make sense. I'm kind of tired of saying this but you don't take a job that was a DD and do a 180 a year later to make it do something else period. That is not proper change, now if they want to add a guild in Gridinia and call it the bard guide then that is a perfectly acceptable solution.

About the archer nerfs I never said archer should be top DD, the problem with the game pre 1.19 was that the other jobs were underpowered thus making archer look overpowered. Archer need 1 nerf and that was the TP gain on Multishot/trifurcate and that was it. If they had done that and buff MRD/LNC like they did with 1.19 everything would be pretty well balance except for PLG. But thats not what happen they nerfed archer into the ground making most of the servers archer complete drop the job. Now look at MRD its OVERPOWERED with its massive AOE dmg WS, High HP, High DEF, and etc. Lancer is were it needs to be IMO. So now we back to square one with 1 massively OP job and LNC being godlike for ifrit while archer does shit damage even though both LNC/ARCH user piercing based weapons.

We should wait and see but I want the developers to know before they make a final decision that going from full DD -> support is not acceptable.

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Originally Posted by Lavani

Maybe you should re-read that bold text again, and then look at all of the jobs that have been released. A gladiator is a tank, so is a paladin. A PGL is a DD so is a Monk. A Lancer is a DD and the Dragoon will only enhance their capabilities. A CNJ has the best healing in the game, so will the WHM. A THM does the most damage of the casters, so will the Black mage ETC. But instead we have a class who was first advertised as a DD (even the intro cinematic shows the ARC GETTING buffed with fire and the like, to launch a 3 arrow multi-shot) being turned into something completley opposite of it's original, and to some extent current function.

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Originally Posted by grandm

there is a lesson there, don't assume

assume makes and ass out of you and me
ass-u-me

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Now apply the second quote to the first quote, then think about my last post. You appear to be a having difficulty learning from your previous mistakes. Your making a very bold assumption, based on your hyped up desire of how you want it each job to be. With no facts in any way, shape, or form of what each job would be.

Look, you have 2 options. Play the archer, or play the bard. I understand ou want a ranged DD job for archer, but thats not in the first round of jobs.

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Originally Posted by JudgeN

Your right except I and others had their archer to 50 long long long before this game even started to talk about specialized jobs. So now i'm going to say this again as someone who was playing archer from the begin. There was no assumption on my part they seem to be taking a job that was purely damage dealer and turning into a support job A FULL YEAR AFTER the game has been released. It just doesn't make sense.

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I am not certain I understand you point. Are you posting to say simply that to you it doesn't make sense? I am curious, in what sense does it not make sense. It makes sense to me.

Sure, I personal believe they would have been better off by miles, to either make each job a specialized exension of the class. OR, perhaps have 2 options for each job.

I say that about the job option, because appearently, everyone who didn't get the job they want the first round appears bound and detirmined to attempt to convince us SE is doing it wrong, or that we are bad guys for making sense of it, when they cannot.

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Originally Posted by Coglin

Look, you have 2 options. Play the archer, or play the bard. I understand ou want a ranged DD job for archer, but thats not in the first round of jobs.

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That's why people are posting here, so SE can read that people do actually want to play the Ranged Physical DPS class and:

1)They should fix the ARC class to be competative DPS

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2) Add a ranged Physical DPS job along with the support.

Any assumptions that have been made by anyone wishing to continue playing a ranged DD in regards to BRD, have been made based on the fact that BRD has always been a support character, and SE has stated that they wanted to add a support to the game.

That's not to say they shouldn't, just because people want to continue to play archer, the need to add both options.

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Originally Posted by Lavani

That's why people are posting here, so SE can read that people do actually want to play the Ranged Physical DPS class and:

1)They should fix the ARC class to be competative DPS I (absolutely agree)

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2) Add a ranged Physical DPS job along with the support. (I agree with this also, and I am posotive they will, there may simply be a wait)

Any assumptions that have been made by anyone wishing to continue playing a ranged DD in regards to BRD, have been made based on the fact that BRD has always been a support character, and SE has stated that they wanted to add a support to the game.

That's not to say they shouldn't, just because people want to continue to play archer, the need to add both options.

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You know what, I think your basically saying the same thing I am here. I am totally behind players expressing there desire for a ranged DD job as an option.

My issue is with the few here claiming that it makes no sense they way they are doing it now. I have played alot of MMOs in which BRDs were bow users. So its a tough sell to convince me SE is doing it wrong.

I feel your post here is parralell to my previous.

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Originally Posted by Coglin

You know what, I think your basically saying the same thing I am here. I am totally behind players expressing there desire for a ranged DD job as an option.

My issue is with the few here claiming that it makes no sense they way they are doing it now. I have played alot of MMOs in which BRDs were bow users. So its a tough sell to convince me SE is doing it wrong.


I feel your post here is parralell to my previous.

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You played MMO where BRD were bow uses at the start of the MMO correct? This is the problem right here, I'm not sure how I can be more clear. You can't change the role a year later to something completely different. Its not about waiting for them to give us the job we want its about continuing on the path that the job has been for a damn year. To me ive always wanted to be a archer/ranger, I was a ranger in FFXI and a archer in FFXIV but now year later I end up a bard? That is what doesn't make sense to me.

To go with your other point about bard being bow users in other MMO those games aren't Final Fantasy and we know what a bard does in a traditional Final Fantasy game which is the direction they said they wanted to head.

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Originally Posted by JudgeN

You played MMO where BRD were bow uses at the start of the MMO correct? This is the problem right here, I'm not sure how I can be more clear. You can't change the role a year later to something completely different. Its not about waiting for them to give us the job we want its about continuing on the path that the job has been for a damn year. To me ive always wanted to be a archer/ranger, I was a ranger in FFXI and a archer in FFXIV but now year later I end up a bard? That is what doesn't make sense to me.

To go with your other point about bard being bow users in other MMO those games aren't Final Fantasy and we know what a bard does in a traditional Final Fantasy game which is the direction they said they wanted to head.

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I don't understand the whole "you can't do (fill in something)" logic. I understand that it would be frustrating to play something expecting one thing and getting another. Yet, the game is still in what is effectively beta. Everyone knows that there will be changes. Jobs and classes more being more attuned to specific roles. The developers felt that they needed another support type of class and archer fit that bill. We don't know how the other DoW will pan out after the class adjustments, but maybe having a heavy hitting ranged DoW didn't fit into their vision at the moment.

Bards in FFXI effectively raised a party's level higher and/or made a bad party into a good one while also nearly eliminating any down time. If arch/bard can accomplish that as well as being a light damage dealer then they could potentially being one of the most sought after job. You might not see big damage numbers but essentially you are the biggest damage dealer and one of the best supports when all the buffs are spread out on the whole party. That type of job sounds much more useful and interesting than a ranger at the present moment in the game. There's always lancer if you're trying to see big numbers.

It's too early to tell what will happen though.

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Originally Posted by JudgeN

You played MMO where BRD were bow uses at the start of the MMO correct? This is the problem right here, I'm not sure how I can be more clear. You can't change the role a year later to something completely different. Its not about waiting for them to give us the job we want its about continuing on the path that the job has been for a damn year. To me ive always wanted to be a archer/ranger, I was a ranger in FFXI and a archer in FFXIV but now year later I end up a bard? That is what doesn't make sense to me.

To go with your other point about bard being bow users in other MMO those games aren't Final Fantasy and we know what a bard does in a traditional Final Fantasy game which is the direction they said they wanted to head.

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Thats just it right there. You make no sense. You are a archer, a ranged DD. They made archer something other then a ranged DD ? how did I miss this. Its not my fault that bard were completely locked out of bows in FFXI, and that they exploped if you touched one.

Stop trying to make this FFXI-II. No one is making you take the job of bard, you appear to continue to fail to understand this.

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Originally Posted by Coglin

Thats just it right there. You make no sense. You are a archer, a ranged DD. They made archer something other then a ranged DD ? how did I miss this. Its not my fault that bard were completely locked out of bows in FFXI, and that they exploped if you touched one.

Stop trying to make this FFXI-II. No one is making you take the job of bard, you appear to continue to fail to understand this.

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You are 100% right Coglin they do not have to play the job, but I think the argument comes down to this. Only Archer is getting a job that would appear (only because we have no info yet) to be completely different from its base class.

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Thats just it right there. You make no sense. You are a archer, a ranged DD. They made archer something other then a ranged DD ? how did I miss this. Its not my fault that bard were completely locked out of bows in FFXI, and that they exploped if you touched one.

Stop trying to make this FFXI-II. No one is making you take the job of bard, you appear to continue to fail to understand this.

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I like how you highlighted one sentence while completely ignoring the rest. Why do you continue the ignore the universe that is Final Fantasy and its traditional jobs role. Also ignore that developers have state they want to follow this tradition. Its why we are getting rid of Gladiator and conjurer because people complained that it didn't fit into the final fantasy universe. And that people for some reason couldn't figure out the roles of the jobs based on their abilities.

This not about making FFXI-II, when the hell did I say that? I just want a job that is traditionally a heavy DD to continue to be a that PERIOD. Sure I can go play another job and I have lancer but it just not that fun to me.


If SE said today that Gladiator specialize job would be beastmaster would that not seem odd to people?

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You are 100% right Coglin they do not have to play the job, but I think the argument comes down to this. Only Archer is getting a job that would appear (only because we have no info yet) to be completely different from its base class.

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That's it right here, and if we follow traditional FF universe it doesn't look to good for us.

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This not about making FFXI-II, when the hell did I say that?.

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You played MMO where BRD were bow uses at the start of the MMO correct? This is the problem right here, I'm not sure how I can be more clear.

To go with your other point about bard being bow users in other MMO those games aren't Final Fantasy and we know what a bard does in a traditional Final Fantasy game which is the direction they said they wanted to head.

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When you reject and shun any idea or suggest that is not match FFXI. Then you go on to tell us thats why you shun and reject it.

Care to tell us where they said the bolded portion?

All we really know in regards to Archer is that it's first job will be bard. I don't doubt that this will be expanded on in the future. We should all be happy to see a buffing job put into play, haste for me!

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All we really know in regards to Archer is that it's first job will be bard. I don't doubt that this will be expanded on in the future. We should all be happy to see a buffing job put into play, haste for me!

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You will take your MP refresh and like it.