Save the Armory system

ooo it's gonna be a class?

That means it'll get a resultant job...

*drums fingers and grins*

eeeeeexcellent

I think People are jumping the gunblade on this one. Jobs are designed to give a specific role to a party, but are not being designed to be the only roles you have to pick in a party. There is nothing saying you must use a Job if you are in a party. Instead we will have a combination of jobs and classes in a party to accommodate the needs of the party at hand. That is unless the community brands classes as weak and obsolete and shuns them from party invites, which would be the sole fault of the community not the intent of the game design.

All in all, i think it's still to early to tell with far to few details to make any kind of concrete evaluation. Also keep in mind that there are more classes on the horizon which will also have their jobs, we already see their guilds in game and will probably get these come PS3 launch.

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At the moment it's easy to have a tank with healing skills, and healing skills create LOADS of enmity, so the tank sits on auto-attack and heals themself whenever health gets low, they tank fine, and don't need a healer, which means the other player who's levelled thaumaturge and conjurer to be healer-specific is now inherently useless except for buffing and DD.

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A million times this. If there were ever any reason to be RID of the class system in favor of a job system, it's this. And this happens way too often on different classes. Couple this with the fact that people are gonna play how they want to play... Why play a paladin when you can have a gladiator with conjurer and thaumaturge and marauder and lancer and and archer skills? Why play a healing specific conjurer when everybody else can do your job and more just as well? Even if they implement a job system, how can they guarantee that people are gonna use it to play a PLD if they have the option of playing a super class like gladimarlancherthaumacon? I'm sorry OP, but I do not agree with you. Personally, I say get rid of classes and keep ONLY jobs. I have a feeling that won't happen but, well, a boy can dream.

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gladimarlancherthaumacon

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Can i be a Pugithigunarchthaumagladiatocon? :D

I think the fact of lock the jobs to only one class is a bad move... I know i know... We must wait and see, but just like someone say in this threat: there will be only one change of change battle system. So understand the worry about a critical change on a loved game.

I read we ppl like a gladiator whit sword and a thf whit daggers... Well, talk for yourself. I don't find any reason why a tank class can nit use a great axe or meaby a lance to perform his job to protect his allies. Of curse i dont want to see, and it will no have sence to see a tank whit a ranged weapon. But this is a really easy issue to solve.

Just by locking a job to certain types of weapon. PLEAS NOT LOCK TO ONLY ONE CLASS-WEAPON.

In example. A paladin will be able only to use close rank weapons. A hunter will be able o ly to use ranged weapons. A mage job will only can use magical ranged weapons.


In the other hand i read some is really interesting. More job class-specifict than only one. So Gladiator can unlock PLD, Beserker and thf. So all class will be able to especializate their own to 3diferents playsatyles. Tanks, DD, and supports. But i find this more difficult and conflictive than just allowing use jobs whit any class whit certain limitations just like the mentioned before.

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I think the fact of lock the jobs to only one class is a bad move... I know i know... We must wait and see, but just like someone say in this threat: there will be only one change of change battle system. So understand the worry about a critical change on a loved game.

I read we ppl like a gladiator whit sword and a thf whit daggers... Well, talk for yourself. I don't find any reason why a tank class can nit use a great axe or meaby a lance to perform his job to protect his allies. Of curse i dont want to see, and it will no have sence to see a tank whit a ranged weapon. But this is a really easy issue to solve.

Just by locking a job to certain types of weapon. PLEAS NOT LOCK TO ONLY ONE CLASS-WEAPON.

In example. A paladin will be able only to use close rank weapons. A hunter will be able o ly to use ranged weapons. A mage job will only can use magical ranged weapons.


In the other hand i read some is really interesting. More job class-specifict than only one. So Gladiator can unlock PLD, Beserker and thf. So all class will be able to especializate their own to 3diferents playsatyles. Tanks, DD, and supports. But i find this more difficult and conflictive than just allowing use jobs whit any class whit certain limitations just like the mentioned before.

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A good post, and don't think I'm picking this apart by what I'm about to say...

Usually, in a logical sense and over the course of history, a person/soldier/warrior/knight who dedicates himself to the protection and preservation of others uses a shield so as to deflect, parry and block incoming blows, therefore reducing/stopping any damage possibly received. It would for instance, be extremely difficult to stop a bullet or an arrow with a lance, where as holding a shield up provides adequate protection from ranged weaponry as well as close-range weaponry such as swords, daggers and such.

That's just a logical stand-point on it though and I'd have no beef with anyone who wanted to tank with a two-handed weapon, or even dual-wielding swords, instead of a 1-handed + shield. If they can do it, then there's no problem.

That is concepts. I realize the "tank" art have no changes since Galkas get late.

Bt there can be ways to tank different than old-school. And i think some freedom to combine jobs and classes will play an excellent role in this matter. Letting us to experiment diferents ways to play. Meaby a pug whit pld abilitys of mitigate dmg will tank good enough to broke whit the monopoly of the gladiator...

PUG example: Evading as much he can and when he run out of dodges use sentinels types abilitys pld-exclusive. So yeah... A galdi-pld will be able to mitigate more dmg. But a pug-pld will do more dmg instead and healing him self most often.

LNC example: lnc-pld can tank agains more than one enemy at same time. Possitionning himself wisely to let the second mob betwin him and first mob. So the second mob will recive dmg from tank and from the first enemy too. And of curse using again pld-exlussive abilitys to mitigate dmg

Is just a few ideas. For there will be a champion and in some situations we only see gladi-plds. But the sence of freedom and complexity will be great i think.

Hmm... a Pugilator

Interesting idea :3

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That is concepts. I realize the "tank" art have no changes since Galkas get late.

Bt there can be ways to tank different than old-school. And i think some freedom to combine jobs and classes will play an excellent role in this matter. Letting us to experiment diferents ways to play. Meaby a pug whit pld abilitys of mitigate dmg will tank good enough to broke whit the monopoly of the gladiator...

PUG example: Evading as much he can and when he run out of dodges use sentinels types abilitys pld-exclusive. So yeah... A galdi-pld will be able to mitigate more dmg. But a pug-pld will do more dmg instead and healing him self most often.

LNC example: lnc-pld can tank agains more than one enemy at same time. Possitionning himself wisely to let the second mob betwin him and first mob. So the second mob will recive dmg from tank and from the first enemy too. And of curse using again pld-exlussive abilitys to mitigate dmg

Is just a few ideas. For there will be a champion and in some situations we only see gladi-plds. But the sence of freedom and complexity will be great i think.

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Just so you know, this is essentially the same as what the OP is proposing. It's not such a terrible idea.
Id be all for being able to combine the jobs and classes in this way, especially if I can be a 'white marauder'... swinging axes and cures. mwhahahaa

Classic white mage healing style, healing staffs that even heal on melee attacks!

*repeatedly bops the Paladin round the head*

"Feeling better yet?! :D"

I don't have any issues with the armory system. I like it. And I don't have any problems with what I've heard planned for the jobs system either. I agree, I want jobs to be able to use different weapons and utilize different classes like support jobs, but I'm tending to think that, thats how they're going to work it anyway.

I love the armory system. As long as the jobs will offer various specialities I am okay with them too. I am curious to see how they end up working, but ideally from my perspective, I would like to see each job more as a master class. In which in the future when we have 2+ jobs per class, we will have option of which "master class" and its related abilites to chose from.

Alyosha has made how many threads and shown those ill-made pictures how many times now? I am losing count. He posts stuff like this a couple times a week on several FFXIV and MMO related sites. It is to the point that I feel like it is a joke listening to him now.

Wait till the JOB system comes out to start complaining.

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Alyosha has made how many threads and shown those ill-made pictures how many times now? I am losing count. He posts stuff like this a couple times a week on several FFXIV and MMO related sites. It is to the point that I feel like it is a joke listening to him now.

Wait till the JOB system comes out to start complaining.

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Maybe listening to me is a joke, and the punch line is FFXIV fails if it doesn't.

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The weird thing is, you go out of your way to say how much you hate the future of this game. I think several people have told you this on several occassions, but you really need to either adapt to what is soon to come, or find a different game. Changes happen in MMO's, and those changes are not going to be in everyone's favor. In this case however, more people are for the upcoming JOB system, and I believe SE will listen to the majority, not the minority, which unfortunately in this case is you.

You are obviously not happy with the direction of FFXIV, which leads me to ask, why keep playing? There are so many other MMO's you could play that could cater to your interest. You believe constantly making posts under different personas will get people to start thinking differently. It hasn't helped you at all each time, showing that everytime you do this, it ends up the same way. If the Armory system could work or not is a debatable discussion, but why do you constantly want to hear the same thing over and over?

Also, how are you 100% positive the Armory system is going away? We haven't even gotten full details on how the JOB system will work. As I said previously, why don't you see what is coming before you start constantly preaching your opinions which I do feel like are really a joke now.

Changes are coming, either adapt to them, or quit, those are your only choices.

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The weird thing is, you go out of your way to say how much you hate the future of this game. I think several people have told you this on several occassions, but you really need to either adapt to what is soon to come, or find a different game. Changes happen in MMO's, and those changes are not going to be in everyone's favor. In this case however, more people are for the upcoming JOB system, and I believe SE will listen to the majority, not the minority, which unfortunately in this case is you.

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They're only in favour of the upcoming system because they just hear the words "job system" and flip out without first analysing how it makes the game worse, not better.

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They're only in favour of the upcoming system because they just hear the words "job system" and flip out without first analysing how it makes the game worse, not better.

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Which leads me to believe you didn't read anything after that. How do you know the JOB system is better or worse when it hasn't even gone into detail yet? Only been speculations and no confirmed facts.

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Which leads me to believe you didn't read anything after that. How do you know the JOB system is better or worse when it hasn't even gone into detail yet? Only been speculations and no confirmed facts.

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I'm trying not to sound arrogant when I say this, but most of the time my predictions are accurate. You can't really fault someone for using the small amount of information available to them to form an educated guess. If my speculations don't pan out, then you can attack me for them.

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I'm trying not to sound arrogant when I say this, but most of the time my predictions are accurate. You can't really fault someone for using the small amount of information available to them to form an educated guess. If my speculations don't pan out, then you can attack me for them.

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Proof please.

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I'm trying not to sound arrogant when I say this, but most of the time my predictions are accurate. You can't really fault someone for using the small amount of information available to them to form an educated guess. If my speculations don't pan out, then you can attack me for them.

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Why would I attack you if you were aware that you were wrong? Childish. You go awfully out of your way for a "prediction", not exactly a wise decision to try to rile people up over an "educated guess". You would be taken a lot more seriously if your arguments were based off hard facts and not simple predictions. You should really calm yourself and wait for what is to come before making another 20 threads under 20 personas, I think you have gotten your opinion out there.

It doesn't matter if you are accurate or not of what the system is when the time comes, you shouldn't be preaching that you hate a system when you have no idea how it is going to work.

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Proof please.

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http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...ost#post203804

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...ody#post248750

Can't be bothered to go looking for more

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Why would I attack you if you were aware that you were wrong? Childish. You go awfully out of your way for a "prediction", not exactly a wise decision to try to rile people up over an "educated guess". You would be taken a lot more seriously if your arguments were based off hard facts and not simple predictions. You should really calm yourself and wait for what is to come before making another 20 threads under 20 personas, I think you have gotten your opinion out there.

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For all you know, perhaps I am not "riling people up". Please refrain from "going out of your way to make predictions".

For all you know, I am very calm. Please stop predicting things without hard facts and evidence.

See how annoying that is?

This isn't me complaining, by the way, it's just me discussing. Perhaps you should weigh in on the discussion rather than just shooting it down just because you hate speculations.

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For all you know, perhaps I am not riling people up. Please refrain from "going out of your way to make predictions". For all you know, I am very calm. Please stop predicting things without hard facts and evidence.

See how annoying that is?

This isn't me complaining, by the way, it's just me discussing. Perhaps you should weigh in on the discussion rather than just shooting it down just because you hate speculations.

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Calling people idiots because they don't think the way you do is not considered a calm way of expressing your opinions. Don't try to pretend you come into these conversations in a calm manner. If you are trying to use reverse tactics on me, you are doing a pretty poor job of it.

When you make several threads on the same topic, in the same forum none-the-less, it becomes complaining, and not for the purpose of discussion. Also, I am not in favor of copy and pasting what I have already said to you, you know well I have already discussed with you my look upon the Armory system.

You come in believing what is happening is fact, it is not, and you have a personal defect where if someone does not agree with how you think, they are considered ignorant and not on the same level of intelligence as you.

Let me ask, do you truly believe you are getting somewhere making several threads of the same topic under several personas? If you are actually getting somewhere, please show me where the Dev's have acknowledged your dislike for the system you have no idea works.

This time, try replying back to everything I said instead of picking parts out and not reading everything.

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Calling people idiots because they don't think the way you do is not considered a calm way of expressing your opinions. Don't try to pretend you come into these conversations in a calm manner. If you are trying to use reverse tactics on me, you are doing a pretty poor job of it.

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Hmm, indeed. Very profound.

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When you make several threads on the same topic, in the same forum none-the-less, it becomes complaining, and not for the purpose of discussion. Also, I am not in favor of copy and pasting what I have already said to you, you know well I have already discussed with you my look upon the Armory system.

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Yes, that definitely happened...

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You come in believing what is happening is fact, it is not, and you have a personal defect where if someone does not agree with how you think, they are considered ignorant and not on the same level of intelligence as you.

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Everyone is entitled to an opinion. Some just aren't as marketable as others.

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Let me ask, do you truly believe you are getting somewhere making several threads of the same topic under several personas? If you are actually getting somewhere, please show me where the Dev's have acknowledged your dislike for the system you have no idea works.

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I have two armory threads, but they aren't in the same forum/language. And who is worse? The person getting nowhere? Or the person telling the person getting nowhere that they are getting nowhere? Think about that.

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This time, try replying back to everything I said instead of picking parts out and not reading everything.

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I would prefer to discuss the armory system, not myself.

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Hmm, indeed. Very profound.



Yes, that definitely happened...




Everyone is entitled to an opinion. Some just aren't as marketable as others.



I have two armory threads, but they aren't in the same forum/language. And who is worse? The person getting nowhere? Or the person telling the person getting nowhere that they are getting nowhere? Think about that.



I would prefer to discuss the armory system, not myself.

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Well at least you tried.

Such a shame.

I think we are loosing the posibility of dev take this treath seriosly since the OP just dont stop to try to hold an eternal discussion about he know the future and trying to answer all arguments against him.

I really sorry. Becouse the first Post is interesting. And some ideas i read in this threat too. Just want to devs hear the main dea. Hey guys. Take care. In a way or another, we Want variety on the classes and jobs. I just think the class = job(advance class) is the longest way. Becouse to give the ability to do diferents things to a simple class they will have to desing 2or 3 diferents job xclusively for a simple class. Think in how many time will take this.

But is they open the posibility of cross job whit any class u want (whit certain limitation such a weapon or dmg type) the will only need to develope one job to create 6 differents pottential playstyles. Gladi-war Pug-war Lnc-war etc.

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Such a shame.

I think we are loosing tje pisibility if dev take this treath seriosly since the OP just dont stop to try to hold a eternal discussion about he know the future and tng to answeng all aguments against him.

I really sorry. Becouse the first Post is interesting. And some ideas i read too. Just want to the dev hear the main dea. Hey guys. Take care. In a way or another, we Want variety on the classes and job. I just think the class = job(advance class) is the longest way. Becouse to give the ability to do diferents things to simple class they will have to desing 2or 3 diferents job xclysively for a simple class. Think in hiw many time will take this.

But is the open the posibility of cross job whit anyclass u want (whit certain limitation such a weapon or dmg type) the i lyneed to deelope one job whit 6 differents pottential playstyles. Gladi-war Pug-war Lnc-war etc.

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This is what usually happens in my threads, unfortunately. I mean, really now, is it so hard to stay on topic, guys?

As for your typing, omg fail much!?

(By the way, i'm being ironic).

I said mine, so my utility in this thread now is to give pop-corns and hot dogs for 4$ discount.

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Anyway, those in support of the new Job System (that is to say, the system where jobs are locked to one class) are essentially supporting a one-job-one-weapon situation.

I don't know what games you've played in the past, but surely a Job such as a Thief should have access to multiple weapons? Locking Jobs in a one-to-one relationship with Weapon Classes has essentially locked each job to only one weapon!

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http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y87...Untitled-1.png

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http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y87...ill/badjob.png

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Two points to make here. Gonna give you the dessert first, since you'll cry less, but sooner or later, those veggies are gonna need to be eaten.

I agree with: Jobs should used as a defined role within party play.
Solo: Who cares, Set yourself up with Second Wind II, Cure/Sac3, Siphon MP, Siphon TP... etc, etc. (Kinda sounds like the clones bit in your 'Bad:' link, everyone using the same skills >_> yay for cross-classing.) Be that uber-Do-Everything-BAMF when you solo.

Party: Pick a job. Tank huh? okay, here's your DEF boosts, ya hey-look-at-me hate-grabbers, a little damage output. NEXT! Got a Healer Friend? K they get the heals. Oh, someone who wants to play non-healing support, k Buff-Bonanza. Oh. Here's the guy who wants to crush/shoot/stab the opposition, here ya go buddy, have some attack boosts/damage modifiers. Go nuts.

Everyone doing what they want, just like now, with the classes system but... they're going to get specialist abilities to help them out. Who needs MRDs {Intimidation} on GLA if you pick your job to be Paladin, and they give you {Intimidation II}? CONs has Cure 3, let's give White Mages Cure 4. Hey, that guy is trying to play a bit like an old school Thief. Have Blindside 3, Collusion 2, have fun dude. (FOR EXAMPLE, BEFORE ANYONE JUMPS DOWN MY THROAT.)

I also agree with: Jobs okay, we know they'll be unlocked via a one-to-one ratio with classes, hopefully this will change in the future, but, will we be able to use them on other classes? Sure, GLA -> PLD, but maybe I wanna use a Lance and Tank AT THE SAME TIME. Life Surge would help for this, why can't I? I'd like to be a DRK with a sword. Last Resort + Souleater Riot Blade? Hell yes, let's do it. DD GLA finally.

What I dont agree with: This feeling of you needing to be able to cross-class on a job. Why? It's sacrificing flexibility for increased ability. The transitioning between class and job should, and probably will be as seamless as swapping from any class to a different class. (Albeit, setting skills is a pain.) Once you get the job, nothing's forcing you to stay locked in as it.
Dungeon run: Hmm, we'll need you as your class to help kill everything in sight, boss coming up? You guys stay classes to be able to cross-class some stuff (stuns/additional heals, etc). We're gonna swtch to our jobs... (PLD for high DEF, WHM for better heals, you can see where I'm taking this, right?)

If you think everyone is going to be a clone when jobs come out, just look now. Nearly everyone can raging strike/ferocity/bloodbath their weaponskills, cure/sac/second wind for self-healing, and buff with protect/stoneskin/shock spikes. The only thing thats different is the weapons in their hands.

[SIZE="5"]TL;DR? I'm super-excited for jobs, I'm gonna wait to see what SE do with 'em before Q_Q'ing[/SIZE]

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I have two armory threads, but they aren't in the same forum/language. And who is worse? The person getting nowhere? Or the person telling the person getting nowhere that they are getting nowhere? Think about that.

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This remind me.. do you remember the japanese guy come'd in this section, asking you to not flood the forum with your topics ? Because you cross-posted your topics in the japanese section too, and they were'nt too happy :|| now you just repeating that attitude, other than be a stick on the back.
You don't read the future, nor will be. Stop pretending you know everything, you just look dumb

good idea, but until now, there is no turning back for SE

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I was just joking. I can't find my old threads even using google's 'cache' operator so I am assuming they are lost to cyberspace. So for all intents and purposes I never posted this.

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You Couldn't remember a post you made the 4 days before?

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You Couldn't remember a post you made the 4 days before?

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I find it interesting he / she initially claimed to have never posted it, but one or two pages back makes note of it in an argument with another poster.

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This remind me.. do you remember the japanese guy come'd in this section, asking you to not flood the forum with your topics ? Because you cross-posted your topics in the japanese section too, and they were'nt too happy :|| now you just repeating that attitude, other than be a stick on the back.
You don't read the future, nor will be. Stop pretending you know everything, you just look dumb

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No I don't remember that thing you just made up right now. Funnily enough.

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Two points to make here. Gonna give you the dessert first, since you'll cry less, but sooner or later, those veggies are gonna need to be eaten.

I agree with: Jobs should used as a defined role within party play.
Solo: Who cares, Set yourself up with Second Wind II, Cure/Sac3, Siphon MP, Siphon TP... etc, etc. (Kinda sounds like the clones bit in your 'Bad:' link, everyone using the same skills >_> yay for cross-classing.) Be that uber-Do-Everything-BAMF when you solo.

Party: Pick a job. Tank huh? okay, here's your DEF boosts, ya hey-look-at-me hate-grabbers, a little damage output. NEXT! Got a Healer Friend? K they get the heals. Oh, someone who wants to play non-healing support, k Buff-Bonanza. Oh. Here's the guy who wants to crush/shoot/stab the opposition, here ya go buddy, have some attack boosts/damage modifiers. Go nuts.

Everyone doing what they want, just like now, with the classes system but... they're going to get specialist abilities to help them out. Who needs MRDs {Intimidation} on GLA if you pick your job to be Paladin, and they give you {Intimidation II}? CONs has Cure 3, let's give White Mages Cure 4. Hey, that guy is trying to play a bit like an old school Thief. Have Blindside 3, Collusion 2, have fun dude. (FOR EXAMPLE, BEFORE ANYONE JUMPS DOWN MY THROAT.)

I also agree with: Jobs okay, we know they'll be unlocked via a one-to-one ratio with classes, hopefully this will change in the future, but, will we be able to use them on other classes? Sure, GLA -> PLD, but maybe I wanna use a Lance and Tank AT THE SAME TIME. Life Surge would help for this, why can't I? I'd like to be a DRK with a sword. Last Resort + Souleater Riot Blade? Hell yes, let's do it. DD GLA finally.

What I dont agree with: This feeling of you needing to be able to cross-class on a job. Why? It's sacrificing flexibility for increased ability. The transitioning between class and job should, and probably will be as seamless as swapping from any class to a different class. (Albeit, setting skills is a pain.) Once you get the job, nothing's forcing you to stay locked in as it.
Dungeon run: Hmm, we'll need you as your class to help kill everything in sight, boss coming up? You guys stay classes to be able to cross-class some stuff (stuns/additional heals, etc). We're gonna swtch to our jobs... (PLD for high DEF, WHM for better heals, you can see where I'm taking this, right?)

If you think everyone is going to be a clone when jobs come out, just look now. Nearly everyone can raging strike/ferocity/bloodbath their weaponskills, cure/sac/second wind for self-healing, and buff with protect/stoneskin/shock spikes. The only thing thats different is the weapons in their hands.

[SIZE="5"]TL;DR? I'm super-excited for jobs, I'm gonna wait to see what SE do with 'em before Q_Q'ing[/SIZE]

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But if YOU could implement jobs, how would YOU implement them? The same way SE intends to implement them?

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No I don't remember that thing you just made up right now. Funnily enough.

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Funnily is not a word.

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Funnily is not a word.

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Neither is "derp" or "pwned" etc., but that never stopped the translators from using these in the Letters from the Producer.

"Funnily enough" is a commonplace phrase, anyhow. Many people use it. So even if "funnily" is not a word, the meaning is conveyed regardless.

If you didn't understand what I was trying to say, I guess I could try and translate it into technical english for you. Sometime.

I just hear "Funny enough." never funnily enough unless of course they are talking about funnel's :O

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Neither is "derp" or "pwned" etc., but that never stopped the translators from using these in the Letters from the Producer.

"Funnily enough" is a commonplace phrase, anyhow. Many people use it. So even if "funnily" is not a word, the meaning is conveyed regardless.

If you didn't understand what I was trying to say, I guess I could try and translate it into technical english for you. Sometime.

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People don't acknowledge pwned or derp as words in the dictionary, you used it casually without the intent of using it in a slang meaning.

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People don't acknowledge pwned or derp as words in the dictionary, you used it casually without the intent of using it in a slang meaning.

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So anyyyyway, should they undermine the armory system or not? What's your opinion?