Gold Saucer outfits, gender locked?

Screw the bunny outfit, I want the Setzer outfit on my female character.

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Originally Posted by Albiere

Would it be possible to get some kind of official response/translation of Yoshida's comments please? Only source I can seem to find on the matter is the already-posted Reddit thread, would like to know if the Gold Saucer outfits really are gender locked, I'll be really disappointed if they are.

I've been looking forward to trying to get myself the Setzer outfit since I first saw the concept art of it on a female Roe, which makes me want the clarification even more, as that implies it was intended to be for both genders at that point in development. If that intention has changed, can we get an explanation of why the developers changed their minds?

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Not much source since it just a fan question in the screenshot. It Official unless it's not real Yoshi-P or a troll character or Yoshi-P trolling around.
Yes the concept art has FemRoe on it that's why I'm so hype to get that. Also it was the first rewards they show up in the Live Letter.

Boys: Iconic Final Fantasy character.

Girls: Sexy costume associated with nameless characters not associated in any way with the franchise.

Never mind that we have Quistis Trepe who is secretly the resident card games master of Balamb Garden, all three of the Gold Saucer dates (who are also mainline FFVII characters, i.e. absurdly easy marketing sells,) or if they were absolutely obsessed with the gambler theme, even the freaking Lady Luck outfits from FFX-2 would've at least been a token effort to give female characters an iconic Gold Saucer outfit associated with gambling. They ain't even trying.

Or just, y'know, give everyone the Setzer outfit because it looks good on people regardless of gender.

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Originally Posted by SylbharF

Not much source since it just a fan question in the screenshot. It Official unless it's not real Yoshi-P or a troll character or Yoshi-P trolling around.
Yes the concept art has FemRoe on it that's why I'm so hype to get that. Also it was the first rewards they show up in the Live Letter.

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Yeah I've seen that about him appearing on that server, but as I don't speak Japanese I was hoping we could get an official translation of Yoshi-P's answer, just on the off-chance it was a fan-translation error?

I just find the concept art contradiction a bit odd, community reps I'm sure you've seen this by now, any hope of a response to clarify? If not I know we'll find out either way in the Gold Saucer update, but if Yoshi-P has seemingly informed one Japanese server already, it sure would be nice if the rest of us could be filled in before the update too without having to rely on fans to translate, which may or may not have lead to some confusion in this case.

If you're reading, thanks very much! :)

One fans post it on the Twitter and I don't think ppl make it out from nowhere.
"セッツァー装備は男性キャラ専用" meaning Setzer Equipment are male character only (exclusive).

Not going to complain anymore, you can take my complain as a feedback SE.
I'm still mad but I'm not going to unsubs, I'll see the conclusion on 24 Feb.

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Originally Posted by SylbharF

Yes the concept art has FemRoe on it that's why I'm so hype to get that. Also it was the first rewards they show up in the Live Letter.

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Yeah, that's part of why I'm so annoyed with SE over this. Having concept art showing the outfit on a female character only to have it be male-exclusive makes it feel like we've been implicitly lied to. I get that concept art doesn't always reflect the final reality of things, and at some point someone at Square probably decided "we can't have female characters crossdressing as a male character" but it's still absolutely absurd of Square to handle it like this, especially when it comes to changing something the player base has already seen.

I really want a bunny outfit for my catboy. Also women should be able to wear the Setzer outfit.

Come on SE.

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Originally Posted by Kaitekat

Next time, females can get a Celes outfit, and males can get a "sexy werewolf dude" outfit, complete with speedo, cuffs, and wolf ears. Totally equal, right?

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I uhh... I'm into it. /blush

Seriously I don't have problem having "sexy" stuff for male since they are lack of "sexy" stuff.

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Originally Posted by Kaitekat

Next time, females can get a Celes outfit, and males can get a "sexy werewolf dude" outfit, complete with speedo, cuffs, and wolf ears. Totally equal, right?

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I, uh, actually really want that, though the precise details might still need work.

Make it happen, SE!

Exact same opinion as the above post! Oops. That shows demand, right? Right?

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Originally Posted by Black91CRX

I wouldn't consider complaining about not being able to cross-dress as legit feedback.

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Originally Posted by Black91CRX

I wouldn't consider complaining about not being able to cross-dress as legit feedback.

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Any feedback is legitimate as long as it's well-reasoned. Even if you ignore the "female characters should get Setzer gear" side of things, female characters deserved a better equivalent to that set than a freaking generic bunny girl outfit. As someone else in this thread said, if I can't cosplay Setzer, then give me the option to cosplay some other FF character.

Imagine if, for the Lightning event, female characters got a Lightning outfit and male characters got a Chippendale dancer outfit. Would you say that people complaining about that inequality wouldn't be "legitimate feedback"?

For my next magic trick, I'll use a mystic spell to disguise my misogyny as homophobia, accomplishing...absolutely nothing.

Be grateful I made a post giving you any acknowledgement at all, though.

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Originally Posted by Krr

Never mind that we have Quistis Trepe who is secretly the resident card games master of Balamb Garden, all three of the Gold Saucer dates (who are also mainline FFVII characters, i.e. absurdly easy marketing sells,)
Or just, y'know, give everyone the Setzer outfit because it looks good on people regardless of gender.

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I would totally want Quistis hair for my Roe ...SE MAKE IT HAPPEN. And im really hoping the gondola for the date scene is also in the gold saucer...

And also please make these new Gold Saucer outfits for both genders, some people build their character story according to personality, so I bet people were pleased when the long skirt became available too.
Setzer himself is already a really gender neutral looking outfit rofl. And you can tweak the bunny outfit for boys surely...

I think they were intending to release both outfits for the female characters, but since the male characters would only receive one outfit, they changed their mind. Instead of having players rage at them on why the female characters would receive both outfits (again), they decided to make one female and the other male. I mean, why else would there be a concept art of a FemRoe with the Sezter armour? Makes me think, they were intending to make this armour uni-sex or they see FemRoe as a male.

Regardless of what comes out, I think both female and male characters should be able to wear both the iconic FF outfit and the sexy bunny outfit. Giving one gender both outfits is not fair and Yoshi-P and developers have screwed over the male characters before, so I hope they wont pull this BS again.

So either both genders get only a iconic FF outfit or both genders get a sexy bunny outfit. But one gender should not receive both outfits, while the other does not.

Are the one talking about a fem roe in the setzer outfit talking about this artwork ?
http://i.imgur.com/BByvDRG.png?1
Because it's not a roe, it's Setzer.

Those are some impressive hips and thighs if that's supposed to be a man. That coat has the same kind of waist/hip fit that my jacket does on my character.

I think different outfits for the genders is a good idea. That is equality.

Play a female character? Make a set for only female characters.

Play a male character? Make a set for only male characters.

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Originally Posted by KingJace

I think different outfits for the genders is a good idea. That is equality.

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Separate but equal, eh?

Does each gender get its own water fountain, too? Their own movie theatres? Schools? Do I get GM jailed if I insist on sitting in the front of the draught chocobo?

Equality doesn't exist. The world isn't perfect and I'm sure you can agree with me on that. Please continue with your reaction instead of actually contributing to the matter. I'm fine with the outfits being separate. You're taking it a step further (which you're allowed to do). Implying that those things would happen takes away from the vision of SE and it shows they can't be trusted to make their own decisions.

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Originally Posted by KingJace

I think different outfits for the genders is a good idea. That is equality.

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And I could live with that... if the two outfits had any sort of equivalence in relation to the franchise. Name one FF game where one of the main characters' primary costume has been a sexy bunny suit.
(Main characters as in playable characters that are not temporarily controlled NPCs.)

I'm assuming Fran doesn't count.

I don't really mind gender locked fashions too much - but not when it comes to iconic FF character costumes - that said I don't think glamor should be gender locked at all but can see why this was chosen >.<

It just seems a little unfair - as certain players will wish for the chance to wear the same type of costume as a character they liked.

If they wanted to gender lock costumes then it should have been two iconic FF character costumes - like maybe giving females Terra's costume or something instead of a genetic 'sexy bunny' costume.

I think they just went for a Casino theme and Setzer was the only iconic FF character that fit. The whole bunny outfit thing is seen in many casinos in various video games.

I'm okay with gender-locked gear itself, and I think this is totally fair as long as down the road we see an iconic female FF character set released alongside a non-iconic yet thematically appropriate male set.

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Originally Posted by Teia

I'm assuming Fran doesn't count.

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The Gold Saucer bunny outfits look nothing like Fran's outfit, so no. Not at all.

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Originally Posted by KingJace

I think different outfits for the genders is a good idea. That is equality.

Play a female character? Make a set for only female characters.

Play a male character? Make a set for only male characters.

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You're missing the point. Males are getting a detailed, iconic FF set while females are getting something that looks like a $15 costume that came out of a plastic bag after being purchased at a Halloween store.

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Originally Posted by Krr

Be grateful I made a post giving you any acknowledgement at all, though.

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Who are you again?

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Originally Posted by Dyne_Fellpool

I think they just went for a Casino theme and Setzer was the only iconic FF character that fit.

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Umm... No. It's not the only one. *scrolls back up and fetches a relevant quote*

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Originally Posted by Krr

Never mind that we have Quistis Trepe who is secretly the resident card games master of Balamb Garden, all three of the Gold Saucer dates (who are also mainline FFVII characters, i.e. absurdly easy marketing sells,) or if they were absolutely obsessed with the gambler theme, even the freaking Lady Luck outfits from FFX-2 would've at least been a token effort to give female characters an iconic Gold Saucer outfit associated with gambling. They ain't even trying.

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Celes gambled versus Setzer and won. ;)

(She cheated, but it totally counts.)

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Originally Posted by NorthernLadMSP

You're missing the point. Males are getting a detailed, iconic FF set while females are getting something that looks like a $15 costume that came out of a plastic bag after being purchased at a Halloween store.

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I don't see how this makes a disadvantage in the game. Just don't buy the gear. Problem is..people will purchase it anyway.

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Originally Posted by Noxifer

And I could live with that... if the two outfits had any sort of equivalence in relation to the franchise. Name one FF game where one of the main characters' primary costume has been a sexy bunny suit.
(Main characters as in playable characters that are not temporarily controlled NPCs.)

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We've had sexy bee suits, though.

Having outfits be gender locked when there's no real reason to (i.e. nothing about the outfits that particularly relates to one gender over another) is, on its own, mildly annoying. They did this with the Lightning Strikes event, where one clearly unisex outfit was given only to female characters and a completely different (but also clearly unisex) outfit was given only to male characters. But at least that time there was some equality in the type and relevance of the two outfits.

This new example, however, between an elaborate and highly detailed reproduction of an iconic character's outfit for half the population and a generic sexy bunny for the other half, goes beyond mildly annoying to downright insulting. :( We should be getting either both outfits for both genders, or at least equivalent ones. Provide both a detailed and classy reproduction of a previous character's outfit to both genders, and provide a skimpy sexy outfit to both genders.

I used to be so happy with how well SE was providing gender equality in their designs. Both genders get some skimpy sexy outfits. Both genders get some elegant clothes. Both genders get some badass fully armoured styles. That they're now moving away from that towards the "males are real characters and females just eye candy" stereotype is really disappointing.

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Originally Posted by Niwashi

I used to be so happy with how well SE was providing gender equality in their designs. Both genders get some skimpy sexy outfits. Both genders get some elegant clothes. Both genders get some badass fully armoured styles. That they're now moving away from that towards the "males are real characters and females just eye candy" stereotype is really disappointing.

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This x1000. I am deeply appreciative of the fact that this game 1.) allows me to design a character who looks like a real woman (so grateful for the boob and muscle sliders), and 2.) at least has options for gear that looks like armor that would actually protect her in a fight. When they do stuff like this that pigeon-holes females into the role of subservient eye candy, it is really disappointing, and it sends the message that they don't really GET it, or maybe just don't care.

It's a game. THEIR game. They don't have to be "politically correct". What's insulting is how anyone who doesn't seem to mind their decision is automatically labeled as Sexist, Homophobic, or a Bigot.

This is just delicious. You people asked for this by choosing female characters in a Japanese developed game, and got the JP perspective on gender roles.

Sharp, well dressed men, and adorable, self-confident women, as it is for much of the well-adjusted world. If you thought you could pick and choose some of these to fit your unique catgirl or bunnyboy, I'd suggest a Bioware game.

The JP perspective on gender roles should enter the late 20th century eventually.

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Originally Posted by SekhmetM

We've had sexy bee suits, though.

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He said a main character primary costume. We never got to wear the honey bee outfit. Cloud wore the dress, Aerith wore the red dress. None of the main characters ever got to put it on, just NPC's.

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Originally Posted by Ippiki

This is just delicious. You people asked for this by choosing female characters in a Japanese developed game, and got the JP perspective on gender roles.

Sharp, well dressed men, and adorable, self-confident women, as it is for much of the well-adjusted world. If you thought you could pick and choose some of these to fit your unique catgirl or bunnyboy, I'd suggest a Bioware game.

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They have international customers. If they only want to appeal to their culture or their own perspective, of course they have to except to run into problems.

A couple crossdressers whining about costumes won't show up as even the smallest blip in their stock portfolio.

Also, I'm not the most devoted FF scholar, are there ANY female characters closely associated with the casino/entertainment industry similar to Setzer, and thus worthy of representation?

They should've at least given the Chocolina outfits from the FFXIII-2 casino

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Originally Posted by Israacf

They should've at least given the Chocolina outfits from the FFXIII-2 casino

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This so much.. I always thought the Chocolina outfits were super cute =3

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Originally Posted by Ippiki

Also, I'm not the most devoted FF scholar, are there ANY female characters closely associated with the casino/entertainment industry similar to Setzer, and thus worthy of representation?

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FFX-2 (y'know, the one recently HD remastered) had four (Yuna, Rikku, Paine and Leblanc) outfits in the Lady Luck dressphere. Selphie from VIII has a gambler's limit break. Corsairs from XI had a similar outfit and RNG-related abilities (I think, I never played it). But even then, what Setzer is wearing isn't very different from what Faris (from V) used to wear, which showed up in Lightning Returns, so it should look good on female characters as well.

Also, look up Faris. Crossdressing has been part of Final Fantasy franchise on an obvious and memorable scale since 1992.