Stoneskin II

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Originally Posted by KrissKringle

Go to youtube and you will find plenty. I watch my partner do it all the time, because he DOES know how to play ninja.

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And you obviously don't. To use Trick/Sneak Attack in combat, you need to use Ninjutsu. Not the Hide button. You can hide the Hide button in combat, and it will literally have NO DIFFERENCE on a good Ninja's rotation.

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Originally Posted by KrissKringle

Hide is a skill that enables more damage from other skills. Please tell me more about how you know about the game. Your argument is bunk.

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You know that as soon as you or a party member gets aggro it fades away right ? And then can't be used again as long as you are fighting.


Also no need to be overly aggressive simply beause we don't agree with you.

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Originally Posted by Merylx

They're clearly trolling now. I'm amused by it all.

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Lol yah. I'm mostly just bored and sleepy and enjoy poking trolls with sticks. ^^

You may consider this useless but for me this is the best thing ever. Even if the time doesn't 'add up' a super lot, my laziness is telling me yes to Stoneskin 2. If it was castable in battle it would be used and abused.

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Originally Posted by whoopeeragon

And you obviously don't. To use Trick/Sneak Attack in combat, you need to use Ninjutsu. Not the Hide button. You can hide the Hide button in combat, and it will literally have NO DIFFERENCE on a good Ninja's rotation.

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The ignorance is strong in the OP..ah well, seems we're done, there goes my entertainment for the next 2 hours or so..(Sad I know but I have nothing to do atm qq)

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Originally Posted by KrissKringle

There is no advantage to having swiftsong in battle. There is an advantage to having stoneskin in battle. Swiftsong was designed to be used outside of battle only, not for pre-engagements like stoneskin 2. And considering they already gave us an aoe version of stoneskin in the past it just doesn't make sense that they would bring it bake the way they did. It's a slap in the face to people who play whm.

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No it's not. As a healer, I hated to recast stoneskin 1 by 1 after every wipe, when people were just standing there waiting to pull, food buff runs out and it adds up on progression. If we had Stoneskin II in combat, that would be completely OP, WHM would only be used to cast Stoneskin II on every single attack, destroying fight intended mechanics. There's no reasoning in your argument. They added it because they listened to us, tired players with SS I. A WHM will casts Stoneskin on everybody anyway, why does it bother you that you/your whm has to only cast it once, instead of 8 (or 9+ if you care of them pets) per pull. It changes nothing in the lore. You're still a White Mage, and still with your stoneskin spell. It even surprised me how you managed to get 2 likes, like wut?

It would be retarded if it were able to be used in battle... There would be no point in sch or their shields... If you could SS the entire party that quick there would be no dealing with huge aoe hits like Gigaflares and teraflare and so on... They did the right thing saving time before pulls and only before pulls.

Sadly I think the OP may have hit the daily post limit, we lost our troll bait

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Originally Posted by Ashkendor

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I thought "cannot be used in combat" was pretty clear but I guess not. Regarding Swiftsong, If you can't see the strategic advantage of faster movement in battle, I'm not really sure what to tell you.

The funny part is, you're the one telling me to "understand the game more".

I for one think the addition of Stoneskin II is a great QoL improvement.

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ARy1PR1VAkg

Calling it now, WHM will get a skill/trait in the expansion to allow them to cast it in battle!

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Originally Posted by Chihaya

Sadly I think the OP may have hit the daily post limit, we lost our troll bait

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My entertainment for the next 2+1/2 hours..noooooo..oh well, I had my laughs at the ignorant, time to move on.

awww *puts popcorn down*

Anyway:
- swiftsong... faster movement in combat... would be nice in aoe heavy fights or in dodge heavy fights(imagine titan or levi or even shiva) - not usable in combat
- hide - not usable it combat(it works on trash because there you don't aggro until you actually use a skill - which is probably what you are seeing - it forces you out of it during boss battles)
- stoneskin II - not usable in combat

So 3 combat jobs as you say have one skill that isn't usable in combat. It's not the end of the world.

Hey OP, since you're so crusty they released SS2, go ahead and continue to cast SS on your party members one by one, while the rest of us will enjoy saving time using SS2.

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Originally Posted by KrissKringle

As a WHM I would love having an aoe ss that could be cast occasionally... Clearly there would have to be limitations... Just as there used to be when it was in the game. Go read up on what the game used to be..

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You... just invalidated your entire argument right here...

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Originally Posted by Shougun

Out of curiosity why didn't they just make stoneskin (I) affect multiple members when out of combat, and only the target when within? I'm for QoL changes when they can fit the game image, but I don't think it was necessary to make it its own spell.

Maybe someone can give a good example why you would want it separate? (Out of combat means mana cost is a bit irrelevant).

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I think it's because if it's in 1 skill, the cast time can be interupted when one is casting the stoneskin (aoe version) if the whm gets emnity when casting, if its a seperate skill, one can manage on to cast which stoneskin suited the best in a fight.. E.g: Nexus farm tank will pull before the cast complete anyway.. It's better that single stonekin is being delivered to the tank rather than nothing at all..

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Originally Posted by ruskie

awww *puts popcorn down*

Anyway:
- swiftsong... faster movement in combat... would be nice in aoe heavy fights or in dodge heavy fights(imagine titan or levi or even shiva) - not usable in combat

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I was thinking WoTL in Titan EX or Eruption in Ifrit EX, yup. Would be awesome for bodyslam in Levi.

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Originally Posted by LaralnKornera

The reason they are adding it is to speed up the pulling process, nothing more.

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You deserve more likes.

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Originally Posted by Ashkendor

I was thinking WoTL in Titan EX or Eruption in Ifrit EX, yup. Would be awesome for bodyslam in Levi.

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Orrrrrrrrrrr you could just not tunnel vision and move on a mechanic that a 1st grader could dodge

Man I dunno why someone linked that the OP hasn't even beaten Second Coil of Bahamut and only got maybe a couple clears of Turn 5 but it certainly stopped them from posting.

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Originally Posted by Garin

Man I dunno why someone linked that the OP hasn't even beaten Second Coil of Bahamut and only got maybe a couple clears of Turn 5 but it certainly stopped them from posting.

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Nah, they probably just ran into their daily post limit. *sniff* goodbye trollbait. :c

Just another soldiery hero complaining

Looks like I'm late to the party...
Ninjas using Hide in battle..HA. (I know I know...I wanted to add on to the ridiculousness of that anyway, because I can!)

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Originally Posted by KrissKringle

Nobody is talking about Paladin. Quit trolling.

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His point was that there already is atleast one class that cant use all of its skills in combat.

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Originally Posted by lvlagmarink

I think it's because if it's in 1 skill, the cast time can be interupted when one is casting the stoneskin (aoe version) if the whm gets emnity when casting, if its a seperate skill, one can manage on to cast which stoneskin suited the best in a fight.. E.g: Nexus farm tank will pull before the cast complete anyway.. It's better that single stonekin is being delivered to the tank rather than nothing at all..

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I can see stoneskins not being applied as annoying but in my example wouldn't obtaining aggro just mean the effect is changed to a single target?
Cast, no aggro, finish -> AoE
Cast, aggro during, finish -> Single Target
Cast, aggro from the start, finish -> Still Single Target

I suppose I shouldn't spend too much forum space on such a thing that matters very little but I just think if they ever wanted to make a real stoneskin II it is going to have to be III or a different name lol.

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Originally Posted by whoopeeragon

Or give Stoneskin II a trait in the upcoming expansion.

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Trait for stoneskin II would be stuck in out of combat occasions, stacking a buff on stoneskin I but not II would make II useless. Definitely can add something to II but it would be QoL only stuff. Can always add another spell name or tier :P

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Originally Posted by Shougun

I suppose I shouldn't spend too much forum space on such a thing that matters very little but I just think if they ever wanted to make a real stoneskin II it is going to have to be III or a different name lol.

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Or give Stoneskin II a trait in the upcoming expansion.

It absolutely blows my mind how anyone would complain about this. SS2 was added for convenience, and as a healer I highly appreciate it. Thank you SE.

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Originally Posted by Altijacek

Swift song cannot be used in battle...NOW that is a design flaw. Granted, it should nerf bard DPS if used in battle to not be overpowered. But this is not a flaw, and if you believe it is, you're trolling. If you really really want them to "not have it at all" as you said, you're gonna suffer through monotonous prebuff sections before the fight. Why anyone would want that is a mystery, I don't care if it saves ten seconds only...it makes things feel more fluid and less boring and that's the bottom line.

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oui, our damage is low enough. leave us alone >:[

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Originally Posted by ReddAxel

It absolutely blows my mind how anyone would complain about this. SS2 was added for convenience, and as a healer I highly appreciate it. Thank you SE.

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Nuts to being a healer, as someone playing the game who will now have a bit of time saved before every fight with a WHM I highly appreciate it.

This does nothing but save everyone time before fights and if you're complaining you're wrong, sorry.

Sucks that SCH can't use it... :/
In my static, I do as many SS as the WHM and I love doing it to boot. Disappointing that only my WHM can do it now.

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Originally Posted by Its_Elodie

Yasssss, ty. I'm looking forward to not having to chase people down at the beginning of ST to be able to buff them :D

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When i heal, if players intentionally run away from me before i can pro/SS everyone, these persons can go F themselves. I aint gonna run after players who doesnt show any consideration for the guy who literally decides if he wants you "alive" or not.

They can die in the corner and understand that if they waited a minute for the buffs they wouldn't be now wasting 5 lying down on the floor regretting it.

( i know im off topic )

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Originally Posted by KrissKringle

Please read the previous posts that already address this before commenting. Swiftsong is not meant to be used for any battle purpose which negates it's importance in this topic. Stoneskin is directly for battle use, along with sneak/hide which can also be used under certain circumstance during a fight. Please understand the game more.

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Much facepalm. Couldn't read past this one, was entertaining for a while but to be able to answer your own question so obviously without realizing it either means you're the dumbest person alive or an obvious troll. I truly hope for your sake that it's the latter.

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Originally Posted by KrissKringle

There is no advantage to having swiftsong in battle. There is an advantage to having stoneskin in battle. Swiftsong was designed to be used outside of battle only, not for pre-engagements like stoneskin 2. And considering they already gave us an aoe version of stoneskin in the past it just doesn't make sense that they would bring it bake the way they did. It's a slap in the face to people who play whm.

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What about Hide from Rogue? It is not possible to use it during combat and there would be an adventage to use it during battle (enmity reset).
Is the fact that we can't use Hide during combat also a design flaw?

This thread is pretty hilarious. I gotta say, though, I would've prefered that SE made the aoe thing part of the Graniteskin trait, rather than making it a seperate skill from Stoneskin.

Cast Stoneskin inside of combat? Behaves as usual.

Cast Stoneskin outside of combat? Applies Stoneskin in an aoe around the target.

Having to allocate hotbar space for an ability that can only be used outside of combat is a pain. Pretty much have to make it part of a macro, instead.

/ac "Stoneskin II" <me>
/ac "Stoneskin" <t>

Well i understand it why they didnt include it as a part of the original SS.
SS1 is like 2.5sec cast time
SS2 is 5.7sec.
They prob thought that we would be overwhelmed by all the time saved if SS2 had a 2.5sec cast time too, so they got the great idea to give it an absurdly long cast time.
And now people dont even wait til i cast it.


And before you bring this, no i wont waste SC at the beginning of a dungeon / primal for SS2.

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Originally Posted by KrissKringle

I play every class at 50 and have a very full understanding of how WHM works. There is no point in adding this ability except to speed up pre engagement times, which is counter intuitive to what a battle class is supposed to be. Might as well just remove it.

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omg... which part of your brain cell died?

Individually buffing a full party during progression runs where you spend most of your time wiping gets old fast. Im so glad we finally got this spell :)

You have to keep in mind that this was added purely for pre-engagement convenience, and nothing else. It doesn't matter whether it's its own spell or an added trait, the fact remains that its sole intended purpose is to make the party buffing (before battle) faster. You can still use Stoneskin normally during battle.

What are the alternatives? Removing the time-saving convenience of this spell in the next patch? Making it work during battle? Both of these options are ludicrous, if you ask me.

Your suggestion to make it usable in battle with a very long recast time is interesting, but it would nevertheless make certain mechanics a lot easier through this skill alone. Additionally, it wouldn't solve issues where a very quick wipe happens with the skill still being on cooldown.

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Originally Posted by KrissKringle

... because you shouldn't have spells on a battle class that cannot be cast during battle.

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Well, then you should be happy with it, because it CAN be cast during battle. That's what the regular Stoneskin is. It's the in-battle version of Stoneskin II. This is just an adaptation of it so that when out of battle you can cast it on everyone at once. In battle, it obviously has to be on one character at a time.