Tired of dungeons yet?

I say that 10/10 people like XIV while 0/10 people like anything else. Those that "claim" their lack of FFXIV enjoyment are all just brainwashed by other, lesser games such as TERA, WoW, Aion and GW. Problem?

Ok I'm wrong, enjoy XIV.

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Originally Posted by Cichy

In my opinion the two dungeons have a huge design flaw because they are very limited.
Gear is reskinned and exp is OK which will make those two dungeons obsolete with any type of decent content that will be released. There is nothing great about them and there has to be something for them to be used in the future.
Yoshi should've added some truly epic gear that can stand out in those dungeons and maybe some exp quests so that the players would be inclined to do them.
Like I said, if he releases another dungeons with good looking gear at lvl 30 and maybe 50 people will just skip the current two and grind till they get to those. If AF will be at 50 I certainly wont take a step inside the Darkhold, I rather grind.

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Another person that, according to their lodestone history, has yet to complete even the mission version of the dungeon run (no batraal win necessary). I question your integrity as well! Let it be known, if you post with a valid complaint and have tried the dungeon to no avail, I will not argue, I will empathize. However, I will continue to check lodestone accomplishments and call out each and every one of you that is hating without having experienced it for themselves. Wth? Do people read other peoples forums and regurgitate when they read as their own experience? Lastly, your flat out incorrect for stating all the new gear is just re-skinned versions of other gear, some are, but not many.

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Originally Posted by MariyaShidou

You have been very slow, haven't you? Korean release was 6 months ago, they cut from 35 servers to 30, and then 15 now. TERA executive director resigned. So yea, release pushed back is totally because of voice over.

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Resigned better than getting fired.

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Originally Posted by Dyne

Resigned better than getting fired.

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true, but who was fired and how does that relate to TERA or FFXIV?

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Originally Posted by Dubont

true, but who was fired and how does that relate to TERA or FFXIV?

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I believe it was a premonition because you're fired.

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Originally Posted by Charismatic

I believe it was a premonition because you're fired.

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aw sad day

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Originally Posted by Dyne

Resigned better than getting fired.

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And where did SE expressively stated Tanaka got fired? For all we know, he resigned and Yoshida stepped up. :rolleyes:

And not to mention Hyun-Kyu Park will very much likely not getting fired. After all, he's the major shareholder of Bluehole Studio.

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Originally Posted by MariyaShidou

And where did SE expressively stated Tanaka got fired? For all we know, he resigned and Yoshida stepped up. :rolleyes:

And not to mention Hyun-Kyu Park will very much likely not getting fired. After all, he's the major shareholder of Bluehole Studio.

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He wasn't fired. He's still Senior VP of Software Development and is still in charge of XI. He and his team were just taken off of XIV because his vision for the game was a train wreck.

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Originally Posted by Destain

Another person that, according to their lodestone history, has yet to complete even the mission version of the dungeon run (no batraal win necessary). I question your integrity as well! Let it be known, if you post with a valid complaint and have tried the dungeon to no avail, I will not argue, I will empathize. However, I will continue to check lodestone accomplishments and call out each and every one of you that is hating without having experienced it for themselves. Wth? Do people read other peoples forums and regurgitate when they read as their own experience? Lastly, your flat out incorrect for stating all the new gear is just re-skinned versions of other gear, some are, but not many.

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Did you even read my post or did you just assume it's an invitation to white knight it?
I wasn't talking about how fun the dungeons are or how challenging the content in them is. I was simply stating that they are poorly designed in a sense that the content in them is very shallow. Outside of few new pieces of gear that are a novelty because there isnt anything else there is nothing enduring thing about them.
Lets take XI dynamis as an example, years since release and people still do it because some piece of gear is really good or really cool looking. Now in XIV everything is meh.
Also, I've seen pictures of all the gear, it's all reskinn or something very close and meh. Like I said once AF comes out, people will just grind to AF like in XI because it's better exp than dungeons.

Not too bad, but they should have polished more on classes, battle system/attirbutes, and jobs before adding them IMO.

Either way, if you're without a shell the patch sucks since there's still nothing to do.

Too all people complaining about dungeons..
If you said it's too easy.. most of the people saying this, have yet to down Batraal. Even fewer have yet to unlock the 5th chest. Finish content before asking for more.
If you said it's too hard.. I'm sorry your cures get hate and cost more mp.. The dungeon is still not impossible. Pick up groups down Batraal now.

This game gets bashed constantly (and some of it is well deserved) but a lot of it is just people crying. I feel bad for SE honestly with how a large amount of their player base crys more then actually plays.

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Originally Posted by Dyne

That's not the question I asked. Whatever Mister Hopeful. I was you from release til a month or two ago, so I know exactly how you feel. Wish people would just STFU and be patient, right? I will give you a few more months of enduring this abortion, then Sonic_the_Hedgehog will become Dragonmaster Dyne.

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You're just pissed off tera is doing poorly in korea and they are holding off release until 2012. Seriously, if you have nothing constructive about your topic, why post at all?

FYI i played from alpha 1 up until december-january. Came back with 1.18 I'm having a good time. I'm looking forward to the future of this game than I did before this most recent patch.

So it's not SFTU wait for 1.19 or 1.20 Its STFU and go play something else.

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Originally Posted by mysterytaru

He wasn't fired. He's still Senior VP of Software Development and is still in charge of XI. He and his team were just taken off of XIV because his vision for the game was a train wreck.

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He was fired, that's why he's not top guy anymore. He was just given a lower position as a consolation for his talents. Koreans just used to free to play mmos and because of the poor economy, not inclined to paying a monthly subscription fee. It's a much different situation in NA, where free to play games are considered suckage. Even if Tera is considered incomplete now, it still is more complete than FFXIV. I would say one more year, and FFXIV will have a really good game. I'm not even interested in any dungeon gear drops as they aren't much of a change in stats or looks from regular weapons and armor, and not worth sacrificing inventory space for. The rank 45 boss is definitely a challenge but I despise the rest of the dungeon and its mobs the way they are setup.

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Originally Posted by Dyne

He was fired, that's why he's not top guy anymore. He was just given a lower position as a consolation for his talents. Koreans just used to free to play mmos and because of the poor economy, not inclined to paying a monthly subscription fee. It's a much different situation in NA, where free to play games are considered suckage. Even if Tera is considered incomplete now, it still is more complete than FFXIV. I would say one more year, and FFXIV will have a really good game. I'm not even interested in any dungeon gear drops as they aren't much of a change in stats or looks from regular weapons and armor, and not worth sacrificing inventory space for. The rank 45 boss is definitely a challenge but I despise the rest of the dungeon and its mobs the way they are setup.

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lol he wasn't fired. He stepped down. If he were fired, he wouldn't be working for the company anymore.

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Originally Posted by ChiefCurrahee

You're just pissed off tera is doing poorly in korea and they are holding off release until 2012. Seriously, if you have nothing constructive about your topic, why post at all?

FYI i played from alpha 1 up until december-january. Came back with 1.18 I'm having a good time. I'm looking forward to the future of this game than I did before this most recent patch.

So it's not SFTU wait for 1.19 or 1.20 Its STFU and go play something else.

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Ah yes, I can feel your hate is strong. You have a lot of rage in you. Soon... Soon you will come join the Dark Side! Dun Dun Dun dun da dun dun da dun. You know its coming. :)

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Originally Posted by Dyne

So it's been a few weeks of the greatest update ever. I said, I await this response when it was released. So still having fun?

I know for a fact the rank 25 dungeon is now kind of neglected.

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Originally Posted by Sonic_the_Hedgehog

Tired of Dyne yet?

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What a voice of the people.

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Originally Posted by Destain

I think it's great we can come home from work and aren't penalized for not being able to play 3 times a day six hours apart or whatever conceived notion of a fair reset timer you have in your noodle.

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Great you think outside the box, don't you cheif.

Why don't they use them fansy lev functions they have allready and give people a set ammount of entry tokens a day? I don't give a shit if they do all 3 runs in the span of 20 seconds, as long as there is some form of limitation to it. "Weekend warriors" as you call them get the shaft because they can't dedicated the time to do 50 runs in one day, why should those other people have such an overwhelming advantage over everyone else?

Limiting the ammount of times one can enter instanced content not only makes it more fair for people who can't invest the time, it also helps restrict the flow of new items and grants some longevity to the content. Instead of being mastered and figured out withing a few weeks it may have taken us longer to get everything down pat.

There is a fine line between being accesable content, and being almost pointless content. These dungeons in a few meere weeks will be untouched thanks to SE allowing such wanton access to them.

I don't want people reading your posts thinking you actually know anything about game balance.

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He was fired, that's why he's not top guy anymore. He was just given a lower position as a consolation for his talents

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I dont know what is your definition of fired, but here if someone fired, it means he aint gonna show his face in the company

and btw, dont you make assumption too much?

Dyne, curiously, how many times you run in R25 or R45 dungeon? just wondering why you asking other opinion whether they bored or not

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Originally Posted by Jynx

Great you think outside the box, don't you cheif.

Why don't they use them fansy lev functions they have allready and give people a set ammount of entry tokens a day? I don't give a shit if they do all 3 runs in the span of 20 seconds, as long as there is some form of limitation to it. "Weekend warriors" as you call them get the shaft because they can't dedicated the time to do 50 runs in one day, why should those other people have such an overwhelming advantage over everyone else?

Limiting the ammount of times one can enter instanced content not only makes it more fair for people who can't invest the time, it also helps restrict the flow of new items and grants some longevity to the content. Instead of being mastered and figured out withing a few weeks it may have taken us longer to get everything down pat.

There is a fine line between being accesable content, and being almost pointless content. These dungeons in a few meere weeks will be untouched thanks to SE allowing such wanton access to them.

I don't want people reading your posts thinking you actually know anything about game balance.

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Explain to me how people who have run the instance 50 times a week, the instance that is the pinnacle of current "end game" content in the game, have an advantage over the rest of us. Let them run it as many times as they want, and with whoever they want.

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Originally Posted by Murugan

Explain to me how people who have run the instance 50 times a week, the instance that is the pinnacle of current "end game" content in the game, have an advantage over the rest of us. Let them run it as many times as they want, and with whoever they want.

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It's a dangerous precident to be setting, unless you want all of the good items from dungeons to be either.

A: Really damn hard to get.
B: All Rare/ex.

The content has almost worn it's usefullness to alot of people allready, while I may not partake in the dungeons I can see the downside of such a system. How popular would have Dynamis been in XI if people could enter however many times, and whenever they wanted?

The rewards would be everywhere, the Artifact armour was designed to be some of the best gear in the game period, and aside from time investment and a bit of luck it was extremly easy to get if you removed those factors.

I'm not saying have rediculous restrictions, I'm just saying that unlimited access will cheapen the content as a whole and negate alot of the positive effect it can have on the game. I'm sorry if the rank 50's want to be able to deck their characters out in a few days time but this kind of stuff should at least have some kind of restriction.

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Originally Posted by Cichy

Did you even read my post or did you just assume it's an invitation to white knight it?
I wasn't talking about how fun the dungeons are or how challenging the content in them is. I was simply stating that they are poorly designed in a sense that the content in them is very shallow. Outside of few new pieces of gear that are a novelty because there isnt anything else there is nothing enduring thing about them.
Lets take XI dynamis as an example, years since release and people still do it because some piece of gear is really good or really cool looking. Now in XIV everything is meh.
Also, I've seen pictures of all the gear, it's all reskinn or something very close and meh. Like I said once AF comes out, people will just grind to AF like in XI because it's better exp than dungeons.

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if white knighting it means pointing out the fact that you haven't played it so your opinion on it's depth or quality is based soley on what you've read on other forums then I will white knight it so hard. Bottom line is your another person called out for making criticizisms without having played it. I'm going to review a resturaunt without having dined there, I think I'll write "there is nothng great about them, huge design flaws". You must be a top developer to decipher this information without experiencing it.

Yeah, I get it, you wants ur endgames content. How many years into xi was it before dynamis was added? This was not supposed to be end game or substantial story content, just a crowd pleasing activity. I'd figure with how much you post you would have read that. I'm sorry, I rarely post but the ridiculousness of this thread, or some of it's critic/posters i should say, was something I wanted to be addressed. Again, the post was are you tired of the dungeons, not fix this dungeon, what do you think of it? This would mean to me is that the thread was meant for people actually playing the dungeons to comment on. if you came back saying you had experienced the dungeons to some degree your argument might have a sliver of merit. Go experience them and if your opinion is the same I 100% respect that, if you don't, keep your opinion to yourself, IMO... Lol...
I await your undoubtedly defensive rebuttal. For some reason I don't think your going to admit the giant loophole in your argument.

love,
Heavy D

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Originally Posted by Jynx

It's a dangerous precident to be setting, unless you want all of the good items from dungeons to be either.

A: Really damn hard to get.
B: All Rare/ex.

The content has almost worn it's usefullness to alot of people allready, while I may not partake in the dungeons I can see the downside of such a system. How popular would have Dynamis been in XI if people could enter however many times, and whenever they wanted?

The rewards would be everywhere, the Artifact armour was designed to be some of the best gear in the game period, and aside from time investment and a bit of luck it was extremly easy to get if you removed those factors.

I'm not saying have rediculous restrictions, I'm just saying that unlimited access will cheapen the content as a whole and negate alot of the positive effect it can have on the game. I'm sorry if the rank 50's want to be able to deck their characters out in a few days time but this kind of stuff should at least have some kind of restriction.

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I don't know are you joking?

Dynamis would have been more popular, and vastly more enjoyable if it didn't have such stupid restrictions. Seriously do you have any idea how long it took people to get Relic Weapons the first time? That was not a friendly design at all.

Rare gear should drop rarely, and equipment's quality should be related to how difficult it is to obtain at. No where is there a need to place stupid artificial restrictions to maintain rarity. This is a game's itemization we are talking about not the Federal Reserve. Just because other people have the same item as you, assuming the same amount of work to get it, does not in anyway impact its worth to players.

Besides encouraging the selling of such high end gear, while I don't have a problem with it being tradeable, should not be the end goal of itemization. NM gear was ridiculously overfarmed in the long period that it was the only endgame content in the game, and yet it even still has value. I think you are blowing it out of proportion, especially because like you said you haven't done instances.

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Originally Posted by Jynx

Great you think outside the box, don't you cheif.

Why don't they use them fansy lev functions they have allready and give people a set ammount of entry tokens a day? I don't give a shit if they do all 3 runs in the span of 20 seconds, as long as there is some form of limitation to it. "Weekend warriors" as you call them get the shaft because they can't dedicated the time to do 50 runs in one day, why should those other people have such an overwhelming advantage over everyone else?

Limiting the ammount of times one can enter instanced content not only makes it more fair for people who can't invest the time, it also helps restrict the flow of new items and grants some longevity to the content. Instead of being mastered and figured out withing a few weeks it may have taken us longer to get everything down pat.

There is a fine line between being accesable content, and being almost pointless content. These dungeons in a few meere weeks will be untouched thanks to SE allowing such wanton access to them.

I don't want people reading your posts thinking you actually know anything about game balance.

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I get what you mean but I must jus have a different view. I agree tha leve restrictions are bs, especially after the sp rebalancing. I see the time constraints your advocating implementing as more of an advantage to the hardcore. The hardcore player will be on at all three runs regardless of the time of day. I am for the most part a weekend warrior. I can get on line and crank out 2 or 3 runs in a night. I guess I don't understand complaining about not having to wait for an arbitrary timer to reset before I can do something I want to, in leves or in dungeons. I must be too much of an idiot. Silly me, applying basic logic to my reasoning. I shouldn't be able to walk into a cave I was just in... If this was a besieged type event or something large and special like the pending ifrit fight I'd agree with you.

Respectfully,
Destain Xiv

I'm not bored at all, still want a few pieces of gear still want to help the whole ls get perfect at 4 chest and speed runs. Lots to do.

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Originally Posted by Destain

if white knighting it means pointing out the fact that you haven't played it so your opinion on it's depth or quality is based soley on what you've read on other forums then I will white knight it so hard. Bottom line is your another person called out for making criticizisms without having played it. I'm going to review a resturaunt without having dined there, I think I'll write "there is nothng great about them, huge design flaws". You must be a top developer to decipher this information without experiencing it.

Yeah, I get it, you wants ur endgames content. How many years into xi was it before dynamis was added? This was not supposed to be end game or substantial story content, just a crowd pleasing activity. I'd figure with how much you post you would have read that. I'm sorry, I rarely post but the ridiculousness of this thread, or some of it's critic/posters i should say, was something I wanted to be addressed. Again, the post was are you tired of the dungeons, not fix this dungeon, what do you think of it? This would mean to me is that the thread was meant for people actually playing the dungeons to comment on. if you came back saying you had experienced the dungeons to some degree your argument might have a sliver of merit. Go experience them and if your opinion is the same I 100% respect that, if you don't, keep your opinion to yourself, IMO... Lol...
I await your undoubtedly defensive rebuttal. For some reason I don't think your going to admit the giant loophole in your argument.

love,
Heavy D

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You fail at analogies. Yes I wouldn't review a restaurant without trying it. But I can say I wont try this dish at a restaurant because I dont think it's cooked properly and I know I wont enjoy it.
Oh and dont give me "how many years before dynamis was added?" that excuse was OK in 2002. Another STFU and wait for next patch huh. Smart.

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Originally Posted by Cichy

You fail at analogies. Yes I wouldn't review a restaurant without trying it. But I can say I wont try this dish at a restaurant because I dont think it's cooked properly and I know I wont enjoy it.
Oh and dont give me "how many years before dynamis was added?" that excuse was OK in 2002. Another STFU and wait for next patch huh. Smart.

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No, his analogy was spot on. You still can't comment on the meals without having eaten there. You! Are! Wrong! Thanks for playing.

I haven't gotten tired of them at all. As a matter of fact—I can't wait till the next dungeon night. My LS does them 1 to 2 nights a week so we don't get sick of them so quickly.

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Originally Posted by Destain

I get what you mean but I must jus have a different view.

Respectfully,
Destain Xiv

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I guess I'll just chalk it up to a difference of opinions, I myself don't tend to participate in endgame content much if at all due to my playstyle.

I personally think that if Dynamis didn't have it's "Arbitrary" rules that it would have been dead, years before they killed it off with the level cap increase in XI. Dynamis remained a steady occurance for years because of the rarity and time constraints on when one could go.

Just being a hard drop doesn't always make it hard to get, as it stands in XIV if you could sell the Rare/ex items the game has there would be no market for any item that isn't one.

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What a voice of the people.

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Mwuahahaha I am at the top of the hot topics.

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Originally Posted by mysterytaru

No, his analogy was spot on. You still can't comment on the meals without having eaten there. You! Are! Wrong! Thanks for playing.

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Not if the meals are tainted by salmonella. You can eat there and find it good, then get sick afterwards. That's such an awesome metaphor.

Please don't compare Dynamis to FFXIV's idea of a dungeon. They are completely different and let's not hope those types of dungeons are "end game content".

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Originally Posted by Dyne

Please don't compare Dynamis to FFXIV's idea of a dungeon. They are completely different and let's not hope those types of dungeons are "end game content".

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If by that you mean.

XI: Dungeons that ran on a entry timer that was by almost all accounts a little too strict.

XIV: Dungeons that ran on zero entry time, so they became obsolete weeks after implementation.

Maybe I'd like to have a compromise between the two that gives us longevity of content without being punishing to people on tight scheduels?

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Originally Posted by Dyne

Mwuahahaha I am at the top of the hot topics.

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You should put that on your resume.

Your hot topic status here, as usual, is due to all the different people arguing against... mainly just you. It's not a "rant of the year" award.

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Originally Posted by Dyne

Koreans just used to free to play mmos and because of the poor economy, not inclined to paying a monthly subscription fee.

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Ah ha ha ha Korean is used to F2P. Nexus - Kingdom of the Wind, Ragnarok Online, Lineage, Lineage 2, Aion are all P2P games, and they are pretty much equivalent to how UO, EQ or even WoW are in the West.

I got tired just reading the patch notes.

Game seems ok, but until they redesign the map and add proper jobs, I see no reason to play the game. There just doesn't seem to be any excitement in levelling up.

Someone tell me why I need top get to level 50

I still have lots of hope that a change will come, but that'll probably be 1.21b at this rate, where they implement PVP or some shizzle

yea i am bored of dungeon already. did almost like 30 times...

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Originally Posted by Jynx

If by that you mean.

XI: Dungeons that ran on a entry timer that was by almost all accounts a little too strict.

XIV: Dungeons that ran on zero entry time, so they became obsolete weeks after implementation.

Maybe I'd like to have a compromise between the two that gives us longevity of content without being punishing to people on tight scheduels?

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Yeah, I hope the next dungeon they make isn't like this one. None of this skip thru all the way to the boss thing and do the thing over and over. Make the rewards worthwhile and some kind of restrictions so people will do other things besides the dungeon because at some point people forget that there are other things in the game.

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Originally Posted by Dyne

So it's been a few weeks of the greatest update ever. I said, I await this response when it was released. So still having fun?

I know for a fact the rank 25 dungeon is now kind of neglected.

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I find Toto-Rak to be a pretty exciting way to rank up so.. No, I don't think I'll get tired of it. I like that we have so many options for ranking up now. :3 If I get bored of one place I could go somewhere else.

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Originally Posted by Murugan

You should put that on your resume.

Your hot topic status here, as usual, is due to all the different people arguing against... mainly just you. It's not a "rant of the year" award.

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Infamous/famous same thing. Don't hate just because I'm cool. I was merely checking on the status of the dungeons, don't get your panties tied up in a wad. Think of it as a survey. I'm sure anything I say probably sends you over the edge because you love this game more than anything. You probably living in denial that there are other things out there that could own this game and that this game is not as good as you hoped it would be.

Tell you what, why don't you scream, "LEAVE FFXIV ALONE!!!!! LEAVE FFXIV ALONE!!!! /sob /sob /sob LEAVE FFXIV ALONE!!!!!!" and make it convincing and maybe I will consider leaving these forums forever.