Can you please Ease Up on Atma now?

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Originally Posted by Itseotle

Ya know, this thread made me wonder: Can someone with a Novus equipped get Atma? If not, it SHOULD work like that imo. Would make grinding alt zodiacs easier.

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No, only Zenith relics can make Atmas drop.

My anecdotal evidence can't do justice here. That's to be expected but I don't believe I will ever hit 1000 fates before getting 12 Atma on any job. As I've said, in 2 jobs I've never even come close to hitting 1000 fates but I'll start grinding for Warrior Atma to maybe prove a point.

Not that any of you naysayers care, mind you.

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Originally Posted by StrejdaTom

Also devs were able to get 11 atmas in 14 hours which is quite fast imo. I see no reason to nerf it, it is fast enough. 400 fates in row (not 5 fates and break) are enough to get all atmas.

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Well good for them.
But the next dude will farm 40 hours because RNG decided to be mean.

One of my Atmas dropped after 9 NINE fates.
Another dropped after 144 ONE HUNDRED FORTY FOUR fates.

It's RANDOM. Some peeps will need 100+ for all their Atmas, some only 30+.
The RNG is the problem here. If they went ahead and said "You get your Atma after you complete the 60th fate in a given zone."
There wouldn't be any drama.

I was going to go for full completion. When I found out I needed to farm 108 atma's (soon 120) that idea wen't out the window. I play far less now.

Just give the derps 12 blank atmas that have to be in inventory and "spiritbonded" within their respective zones through fates... Color grows stronger with each fate, depending upon the difficulty of the fate...

Seems a reasonable solution, but then again, people would cry, "I don't wanna spam 50 lvl 5 fates in each zone... bawwwwwww"

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Originally Posted by Exstal

My anecdotal evidence can't do justice here. That's to be expected but I don't believe I will ever hit 1000 fates before getting 12 Atma on any job. As I've said, in 2 jobs I've never even come close to hitting 1000 fates but I'll start grinding for Warrior Atma to maybe prove a point.

Not that any of you naysayers care, mind you.

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Again your calling honostly people liers and ignoring what's actually happening. All that needstuff to be done is an 70 fate cap, with the rng being the same. This keeps all atmas under 900. Hell even make it so the counter resets if you leave the zone (not DC or log though), just have some sort of checks and balances.

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Originally Posted by Exstal

It wouldn't be so bad if there wasn't a guy who already has 9 animus weapons. That's 108 Atma. In 3 months. At a point it's less about RNG and more about perseverance.

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from the first atma to the last it's still about rng. One guy having 9 animii doesnt change the programming.

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Originally Posted by MilesSaintboroguh

No, only Zenith relics can make Atmas drop.

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thought they changed that in the last patch? Couldve sworn it was in the patch notes that one can have novus equipped and get atma now. I dont feel like checking so eh lol.

After doing some theoretical math in my head, people are essentially saying that they grind for FORTY HOURS gameplay hours and don't see a single atma? I just want to tell you now, that the odds of such an occurrence is pretty freakin' small. Those complaining about doing 1000+ fates and not getting a single atma are in a small minority (a very small minority).

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Originally Posted by Kuroyasha

thought they changed that in the last patch? Couldve sworn it was in the patch notes that one can have novus equipped and get atma now. I dont feel like checking so eh lol.

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No, you're thinking about Alexandrite since they changed that to be dropped by FATEs if you got an Animus or Novus weapon equipped.

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Originally Posted by Urielparadox

Again your calling honostly people liers and ignoring what's actually happening. All that needstuff to be done is an 70 fate cap, with the rng being the same. This keeps all atmas under 900. Hell even make it so the counter resets if you leave the zone (not DC or log though), just have some sort of checks and balances.

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I believe they are exaggerating their experiences. I can't believe people are fully sincere, call it cynicism. I have proof of my escapades, so that's all I can rely on. People will always look down on things they hate (as I hate Animus), and talk poorly about it even exaggerate their misfortunes with it. Human nature, yadda yadda.

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Originally Posted by Kuroyasha

thought they changed that in the last patch? Couldve sworn it was in the patch notes that one can have novus equipped and get atma now. I dont feel like checking so eh lol.

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I think that's for Alexandrite

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Originally Posted by Heskett

After doing some theoretical math in my head, people are essentially saying that they grind for FORTY HOURS gameplay hours and don't see a single atma? I just want to tell you now, that the odds of such an occurrence is pretty freakin' small. Those complaining about doing 1000+ fates and not getting a single atma are in a small minority (a very small minority).

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That's my experience. I got 24 Atmas in under 1000 fates. *shrug*

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Originally Posted by StrejdaTom

It isnt about time but about efficiency. If you waste 6 minutes on one fate, its bad. Running around, sticking 30 seconds to one fate (to get gold), then running to another is way to go.

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And that doesn't sound lazy. >w>
Just swat at a FATE for 30 seconds and let someone else finish it for you.

I don't see how easing up the acquisition of atma should not be implemented as soon as possible. SE has already been giving out charity i110 gear, why can't I have my i1100 zenith a little easier too? The system is horrible. The absolute reliance of everything on RNG coupled with low level, mindless fate grinding is very tedious and gets old really fast.
Since we're talking about personal experiences, let me share you mine. I have a total of 6 atma pieces. All gathered within a 20 hour timeframe. Going for my 7th piece, I've spent an approximate of 15 hours split between 2 places without ever seeing an atma drop. My chocobo has gone from rank 2 to rank 3 gaining 30 exp at most from each FATE mob. It's also already halfway to rank 4 at 42373/82000 exp from fate mobs giving it 20-30 exp. That's a shitload of monsters and a shitload of FATEs.
It's horrible and dumb.

There's no reason to ease up because they already said there would be a brand new "relic" questline for 3.0 where everyone will once again start on step 1.

At least let the people who invested all of their time into these during 2.0 reap the benefits of having a nice glamour. There is no reason that everyone should have one.

All of these people who claim to have spent months on atma never seem to be willing to share their achievements. hmmmm

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Originally Posted by Mimilu

And that doesn't sound lazy. >w>
Just swat at a FATE for 30 seconds and let someone else finish it for you.

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Yep I hate those people when I need the fate for something else. <_<

Extal. I started with 105 fates in my log I finished wi th 1203. Had I known that people like you don't believe truths I would have screen shotted it for you. Several people in my fc took over 800 fates, and a couple took over 1000. Notice im not uaing hours becausenpeople exagerate hours, people arent doing 100% fates, you cant truat that x amount of hours was x amount of working hours. However 1203-105 =1098. Thats fact, not hours. It's a logical falicy to say because I have got it in x amount, I don't believe y person. It Also wouldn't matter if I showed youbproof, because you would say it's photo shopped and ignore it, you can't look outside your little bubble. Their is no point to even talk to you and should stop posting in this thread. There is no exagerated going on.

Listen - everyone complaining about how long atma grinding takes might as well give up on the Zodiac quest. As soon as you finish atma, you are entering animus territory. 9 books, 13,500 myth. The myth, believe it or not, is the easy part. Each book has the following:

3 Fates: These can take upwards to 3 hours to spawn. Assuming you're lucky - this phase is going to take you 5 hours.
3 Dungeons: If you're an average player - you will be using the duty finder and you will be replaying old dungeons with newbs. With duty finder waiting - you can call this one 3 hours:
100 enemies (10 sets): Most of these sets have a maximum of 3 spawns deep in an enemy stronghold. If you're really moving - you'll finish this in 2 hours.
Fates:Easy, half hour

You're looking at just over 10 hours per book if you're really moving. If you take your time - or just don't have the energy - you're going to spend much longer.

You're looking at a minimum of 90 hours to complete the books plus all of the hours to get the 13,500 myth. It's going to take you a long time. While it's possible (at you probably could win the lottery level) - I don't believe anyone who says that atma took them 90 hours. Show me your achivements - let me see those 3,000 fates (and the date 1,000, 3,000, etc. were earned).

Then after that you have Novus and Nexus.

If you think atma takes too much "time" - you should probably do yourself a favor and ignore the questline completely.

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Originally Posted by Urielparadox

Extal. I started with 105 fates in my log I finished wi th 1203. Had I known that people like you don't believe truths I would have screen shotted it for you. Several people in my fc took over 800 fates, and a couple took over 1000. Notice im not uaing hours becausenpeople exagerate hours, people arent doing 100% fates, you cant truat that x amount of hours was x amount of working hours. However 1203-105 =1098. Thats fact, not hours. It's a logical falicy to say because I have got it in x amount, I don't believe y person. It Also wouldn't matter if I showed youbproof, because you would say it's photo shopped and ignore it, you can't look outside your little bubble. Their is no point to even talk to you and should stop posting in this thread. There is no exagerated going on.

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I believe you. That is possible. Insanely unlucky, but possible. You always could provide access to your achievements and everyone could see the dates all of these occurred.

I guess as they say, "anything's possible".

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Originally Posted by MasamuneBranford

yea

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Animus took me far longer than it took to grind two sets of Atma...which is precisely why I won't do it until they nerf that portion into the dirt.

Please just tell me how to make my crap visable because I've asked like 4 times. I just don't look hard enough for the setting I guess.

I only had 2 books take me more then 5hr, and i df most my dungeons, I did 2 books a day sometime with only 7 hrs of playtimes. It's about knowing where the mobs are, and actually doing fates to force the fate you need to spawn. This would be an example of exagerate on and why I use numbers instead of random hours.

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Originally Posted by Urielparadox

Please just tell me how to make my crap visable because I've asked like 4 times. I just don't look hard enough for the setting I guess.

I only had 2 books take me more then 5hr, and i df most my dungeons, I did 2 books a day sometime with only 7 hrs of playtimes. It's about knowing where the mobs are, and actually doing fates to force the fate you need to spawn. This would be an example of exagerate on and why I use numbers instead of random hours.

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http://na.finalfantasyxiv.com/lodest...the_lodestone/

about halfway down the page, just ctrl + F "achievements"

When you log in, click the home thing

Then account management, then the first few options have it there

I think that they should not ease up on your FIRST relic. But for relics after, they should make it a lot easier to upgrade, i.e. a one time fee, kinda like how we can now purchase the original relics from the calamity salvagers.

No, suffer as we all did lol

I'd like it if they did something to make atma more reasonable, but I don't know if I really care anymore. I got my i110 soldiery weapon for less than half the effort of what I've put into just the atma part of the quest, assuming they keep having alternatives that are significantly less terrible than the relic quest I don't know why anyone would bother starting the relic quest at this point.

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Originally Posted by MasamuneBranford

3 Fates: These can take upwards to 3 hours to spawn. Assuming you're lucky - this phase is going to take you 5 hours.

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Nope.

these fates have their spawn rate tied into the other fates being completed in the area, do some of those and it'll pop heaps faster.

No. Everything is perfect. Nothing should change. Ever.

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Originally Posted by Nghthawk

No, because then that would be something to work for with a goal. It's fine the way it is now, for people saying they spent days and weeks not even getting one I call BS. Even with the worst luck in the world you would still get them, stop being lazy... it's a grind for a reason.

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You are obviously clueless. I spent 2 months alone in thanalan for that atma. I have done probably 3 hrs or more per day and had taken me over 3 months to get 12 atmas. The 3000 fate achievent i got a very long time ago because of it, so that is good i guess?
Some people atmas just drop in a day, a few days, a week, etc. but some of us it has been just terrible.
It is pure RNG. Now at the same time for those of us that have taken so long to get them i certainly do not want the rate changed so players are handed over atma. You know sort of like they have done with hunts and soldiery gear. Gods myth gear took so long to get back in the day

One fate in particular in sylph lands (sigh hate that place) had taken a total of 7 hrs to show up for me (atma book)

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Originally Posted by MasamuneBranford

If you think atma takes too much "time" - you should probably do yourself a favor and ignore the questline completely.

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I agree.
Though I still think people are mainly frustrated with the RNG aspect.
Animus books are controlled, predictable progress. That's why they seem easy by comparison.

Depending on your wallet and your desire to minmax, Novus will take you a lot longer though.

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Originally Posted by Squa11_Leonhart

Nope.

these fates have their spawn rate tied into the other fates being completed in the area, do some of those and it'll pop heaps faster.

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I know of maybe 3 or 4 throughout the book questline that the above pertains to. You're not saying it pertains to all 27 are you? Have support for that as I'd genuinely be curious.

People are looking at this the wrong way. Don't compare the Atma, Animus, Novus and Nexus quests with each other. They are different. Some people point out that Animus is a far longer grind than the atma part but what they don't realize is that doing the Animus quests is far less mind-numbing than doing FATEs over and over and over.

Atma is by far the worst and most horrible part of the current relic quest line. I'ts monotonous and painstakingly tedious. The Animus books have a more balanced grind: obtain 1300 myths, do a FEW FATEs, kill some mobs, do some dungeons. It's not the same shit that the atma part requires you to do.

Also, for people bringing up this crap, "No! Go through the same hell as I do!" Hate to break it to you but we're actually still in it and have been in it much longer than you have thanks to RNG.

They should ease up on those now...
Coil content is being nerf'd/buff'd and not to mention all the gear being handed out and it did upset lotsa people at the time, so nerfing atma now is about the right time
and those few who don't like it need to deal with it imo

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Originally Posted by Minorinz

They should ease up on those now...
Coil content is being nerf'd/buff'd and not to mention all the gear being handed out and it did upset lotsa people at the time, so nerfing atma now is about the right time
and those few who don't like it need to deal with it imo

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Exactly my thoughts. Sands/Oil(i110) gear is handed out like candy, why not make the atma hunt a little bit easier? Its i100 and is only equivalent to a zenith weapon. It's not like we're getting handed our Nexus right away.

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Originally Posted by Orlandeu

Don't compare the Atma, Animus, Novus and Nexus quests with each other...........Atma is by far the worst...

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There you have it

I don't get why you're complaining.

My raid member started his Atma gathering on Tuesday.
He has the Summoner Atma Book by Friday. He did not stay up all day or night. He simply did them when available.


...99% of the threads I've seen haven't spent enough time on atma farm.

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Originally Posted by UltimateAoe2

I don't get why you're complaining.

My raid member started his Atma gathering on Tuesday.
He has the Summoner Atma Book by Friday. He did not stay up all day or night. He simply did them when available.


...99% of the threads I've seen haven't spent enough time on atma farm.

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Sorry he either got really lucky or spent more time grinding fates then you are willing to admit...

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Originally Posted by UltimateAoe2

I don't get why you're complaining.

My raid member started his Atma gathering on Tuesday.
He has the Summoner Atma Book by Friday. He did not stay up all day or night. He simply did them when available.


...99% of the threads I've seen haven't spent enough time on atma farm.

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Here let me explain it for you, RNG. People get lucky, some don't. It's bad design. I got lucky with my first 6, the 7th? 15 hours at least spent on nothing but FATEs and no ATMA.

It is by luck I can safely say, how?
Because ive done it, received 3 atmas so far not trying i.e meaning I was not specifically looking for it. First was because my hunt mob was part of the fate...2nd 2 was me just lending a hand to a friend on 2 separate fates.

I then was like hey im on a roll this week...spent 4 hours in central shroud for nothing...including the Japanese Theory time slotting..

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Originally Posted by UltimateAoe2

I don't get why you're complaining.

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Then you don't understand how Atma works.

I have to agree...even though it took me about 10~11 hours in total for my WHM and about maybe 20 hours? in total for my SCH to get atmas. (Both were Novus pre-2.38 and I got real lucky)

It's really unfair due to sheerness of RNG, I know many people that haven't started atmas or are partially halfway there only to stop because it takes so much time to do it. Even I ran into someone in duty finder that took over 72 hours in East Shroud with a zenith weapon and stuff..and it still hasn't dropped for that person. The problem is there's enough people that do endgame raids/content that have novus (or 2) or even nexus (or even have all 9 animus'), that they may not increase the drop rates at all.

They said in the past, supposedly that it'll be changed in 2.4 to make it easier to obtain or increase drop rate but at that point...I don't see the usage of it...it should've been changed in either 2.3 or 2.35.

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Originally Posted by UltimateAoe2

I don't get why you're complaining.

My raid member started his Atma gathering on Tuesday.
He has the Summoner Atma Book by Friday. He did not stay up all day or night. He simply did them when available.


...99% of the threads I've seen haven't spent enough time on atma farm.

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You use 1 person, you didn't do stuff with, and ignore the previous pages containing proof of people taking 800+, 1000, ect... fates to get all 12 how about you read before you post. No one is asking for it to be able to be finished faster. We are asking for atma to be more balanced, so that one person isn't finishing 3 weapons, in the same number of fates that someone else was able to make 3 atma weapons in.