Low level market seems to be dead

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Zumi

Crafting is fine. I have all the crafts leveled to 50 and made over 10m from them since the game came out. Certain things sell well, base relic weapons, some 2 star items, hq crafting gear, mega potions, food. You just got to know the game market and what people want to buy. In most MMOs they have the same philosophy "Crafting gear should not make the best gear in the game" I agree with this, you want the best gear you should be doing raids.

---

Other games do not presume to have crafting be a leveling skill with its own exp bar and quests. Other games often leave crafting skills as a blurb on the website if at all.

Consider this:

I have to do dungeons to get the currency needed to purchase the item to craft the materials to craft the armor.(And hopefully HQ, which will require multiple 50s and or luck to accomplish...)
THEN I have to spiribind other armor and or purchase materia to fit item caps that are not entirely obvious.(And If I didn't HQ, that's MORE materia for catchup)
THEN I have to slot them, and mind you, once its past its set slots, the chances drop to mid 30s, to 19, to 11, so were' talking high chance to go wrong, follow by more spiritbonding, and more purchases., Time and/or money are invested in rolling the dice to make that armor the best it can be.
And then, AFTER ALL of that effort, and yes it is effort...It doesn't raise my Ilvl, in fact it can't exceed its ilvl at all, and it is outclassed by a carryable dungeon run that can be done inside 30 minutes, for FREE.

How in the hell is that how we should expect gameplay to be?

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by OldGeezer

So useless that I made 500K on it. Crafting has its utility, the problem is that crafters want their crafted product to be a customer's "main" gear. That's not going to happen. It's for customer's alt gear, a complerely different market but one where they can make a big contribution.. With the abundancy of tombs now from the recent patch I wonder if 2-star gear requiring tomb mats will come down in price and have higher volume.

---

The mat prices have definitely went down on Leviathan server. Prior to patch they sold for 15k-20k each (which is pretty ridiculous IMO), I just recently sold some for 4k each, which is still overpriced in my opinion. Not that I mind making the money, I just think they're stupidly overpriced.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by whiskeybravo

The mat prices have definitely went down on Leviathan server. Prior to patch they sold for 15k-20k each (which is pretty ridiculous IMO), I just recently sold some for 4k each, which is still overpriced in my opinion. Not that I mind making the money, I just think they're stupidly overpriced.

---

Well now that crafting armor has absolutely no future, the pricing will likely go down to no longer be worth making. Enjoy those WP runs!

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Kallera

Well now that crafting armor has absolutely no future, the pricing will likely go down to no longer be worth making. Enjoy those WP runs!

---

You're right, my armor has no future. It sells.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by OldGeezer

You're right, my armor has no future. It sells.

---

in the face of dungeon runs that puts out better gear, and gives you gil in several of them, its not going to create sufficient demand to bring back the gaming economy. On its own, it can't be anything other than what it is in item level, meaning being left out of PF parties, regardless of what effort you put in improving it.

Even in PvP, Where Yoshi P mentioned in an interview would help bring the economy in a more realistic sense, the gear comes from wolf marks. and I'm sure has their own caps, putting limits on builds and segragating players into tiers of armor once again, variance be damned.

I get the fact that you find no problem with the way things are right now, but there is about no need for crafters in this game. quests give our armor and weapons, dungeons give out armor and weapons(and consumables), repeating dungeons give out higher tier armor and weapons. The only thing they don't give out is food, so that's 1 craft with items in high demand out of 8!

The problem with crafting is that we MOSTLY profit from selling stuff to other crafters. things they either dont feel like making, or selling the HQ items used for leves. crafting stuff to be equipped is such a tiny portion of the crafting system as it stands. The thing that SE fails to realize with not making viable crafting options is that A)better dungeon gear is easier to obtain than melded gear, b) no one is equiping materia because there is nothing good to put it in. c) low level gear is upgraded too quickly to bother putting materia in. Crafters are the only significant population of materia users, and again, thats mostly to sell to other crafters.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Kallera

in the face of dungeon runs that puts out better gear, and gives you gil in several of them, its not going to create sufficient demand to bring back the gaming economy. On its own, it can't be anything other than what it is in item level, meaning being left out of PF parties, regardless of what effort you put in improving it...

I get the fact that you find no problem with the way things are right now, but there is about no need for crafters in this game. quests give our armor and weapons, dungeons give out armor and weapons(and consumables), repeating dungeons give out higher tier armor and weapons. The only thing they don't give out is food, so that's 1 craft with items in high demand out of 8!

---

I disagree. HQ crafted gear has the same primary stats as green gear from dungeons. It only lacks secondary stats but it gives you materia slots to custom-install your own. Yes, people are now running more dungeons, but they also get more experience so they level very fast. So fast that they don't completely gear out their character when the reach the next tier. Another opportunity for crafters. Yesterday players were FATE-grinding to level their alts and had to buy new gear at some point. So they did. Now, those same people are grinding dungeons, but they too at some point will need new gear. That is the role of crafters. Crafting is like a refreshment stand in a marathon. You offer your wares to runners as they go by. Some run past you, some take what you offer. You're not the end destination but you assist people on their way. Crafters are worried that the marathon is "over". It will end at soemtime. But tomorrow is another day...and another marathon.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by OldGeezer

So useless that I made 500K on it. Crafting has its utility, the problem is that crafters want their crafted product to be a customer's "main" gear. That's not going to happen. It's for customer's alt gear, a complerely different market but one where they can make a big contribution.. With the abundancy of tombs now from the recent patch I wonder if 2-star gear requiring tomb mats will come down in price and have higher volume.

---

I guess it really depends on which class you level. I made a profit levelling CRP from 1 - 50. However, all things considered, I made a loss levelling WVR from 1 - 50. This is during 2.0 as well, so I can't say for 2.1.

Reason being that materials to craft CRP triple turn-ins were much cheaper than WVR triple turn-ins. Also, because of how the marketboard worked - unlike other crafting professions, with WVR you had to spend big money to level faster (Velveteen, Fleece, and Felt stages), or you had to go the cheaper, more time-consuming option of Cotton or Linen products, to bypass those stages where you should have been crafting Velveteen, Fleece, or Felt. Either way, you are also spending a lot on Lightning Shards, which were about 20g a piece on my server back when I leveled them.

In regards to alt gearing, it so happens that crafting is not the main source of gears for alts.
- Some people hoard low level dungeon gears. I know the only expenditure I would ever make for my alt classes would be a full HQ iLv15 set (which I can craft myself anyway - it's not hard to hit Level 20 on any crafting class). I believe there are people who are already collecting parts like Foestriker/Acolyte gear for vanity, so when their character hits Level 15, they'll have a gear set ready to go dungeoning with. I have the full Battlemage set from Brayflox, so if I hit 32 on a mage class, I can use that.
- Once I start dungeoning at 15, you can bet I'll be dungeoning to 50 the whole way. I'll be getting dungeon drops, which are equally as effective as HQ crafted gear, but not have to spend money on them.
- If you find dungeons aren't dropping the gear you want, there's the option of GC gear as well. Seals are easy to get (maybe not now, since people don't do FATE's as much, but you do get seals for doing guildhests roulette), and there's really nothing better to spend them on anyway, bar the Survival/Engineering Manuals II.

2-star gear is still hard to reliably HQ without some investment on the crafter's end. While it is much cheaper to gain the materia you need to gear your crafters now, but that is a money sink until you can hit the stats to reliably HQ 2-star products. It is definitely more affordable now, but for me I feel that crafted gear is a slight step-up to Darklight - it is ultimately going to be inferior to most i90 gear anyway. If there wasn't a HP requirement on Twintania, most people would probably use i90 gears in place of Vit-crafted i70 gear. For something that usually ends up being a huge money sink only to be invalidated anyway when you get i90 gear, I feel the cost isn't worth it. The pricing of FC houses further compound these problems, as people are hoarding onto their gil now, and there's no need to spend gil on gear which will ultimately be replaced by running T1 - T4 (which people are pugging with ease really).

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Kallera

Well now that crafting armor has absolutely no future, the pricing will likely go down to no longer be worth making. Enjoy those WP runs!

---

I'm not sure where WP entered the conversation, that's personally my least favorite dungeon lol

I had never sold mats prior to the other day, I was just maxed on philo with nothing to buy. Someone was shouting for mats so I supplied :)

I just recently got back into crafting, and I do enjoy it but fully realize the limitations. It honestly perplexes me why people would spend so much gil on crafted stuff. I mean if I could make my own Vanya robes or Darksteel armor I would, but why on Eorzea would you spend 500,000 gil on one piece of equipment, and drop another 500,000 gil on materia? It just seems like a losing proposition from the get go. I wonder how many people regret those purchases after seeing the housing prices lol

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by whiskeybravo

I'm not sure where WP entered the conversation, that's personally my least favorite dungeon lol

I had never sold mats prior to the other day, I was just maxed on philo with nothing to buy. Someone was shouting for mats so I supplied :)

I just recently got back into crafting, and I do enjoy it but fully realize the limitations. It honestly perplexes me why people would spend so much gil on crafted stuff. I mean if I could make my own Vanya robes or Darksteel armor I would, but why on Eorzea would you spend 500,000 gil on one piece of equipment, and drop another 500,000 gil on materia? It just seems like a losing proposition from the get go. I wonder how many people regret those purchases after seeing the housing prices lol

---

The only people who spend on crafted i70 gear are people who expect that said classes they are gearing will not be expecting to get many Coil/Mytho drops soon. They are definitely better than Darklight - the question is whether it is worth dropping the gil on that increase. In some cases, mages prefer Vanya/Astral as it increases their rather low max HP, to be able to survive Twintania fireballs. The only other thing I can see is Warriors spending on Darksteel Chest, to meld Accuracy in, to make up for the lack of Accuracy on Bravura +1. Although you can now get Dual Haken...

Oh and don't underestimate vanity...some people like to dye their gear in different colours every week.

like i have already said, the trouble is not to add new recipe...it's to give a purpose to the crafter.
materia and crafting have not real purpose nor are needed. you talk to equip reroll, often we will simply get stuff from dungeon and use this.
i can understand why they don't want craft to be at the same level... but at the same time i feel sad... because, it killing the craft.

they need to give a purpose to the crafting... like the fighting and magical class must defeat the harder content, they must find a way to reward people that level up the craft and gathering.

Well now the astral/rose gold/gryphonskin accessories I sort of understand, being able to use them on multiple classes. But they are still ridiculously expensive, in the neighborhood of 200k on my server (at least prior to 2.1, haven't looked recently).

On Tonberry, 2-star crafted accessories are around 40k - 50k per piece now. Materia melding on the other hand...

Quote:

---

Confirmed with Disciple of the Hand lead

Currently there are no plans to add any new low/mid level crafting recipes.
We designed FFXIV so that gear obtained from dungeons is more effective than crafted items.

For their first class, players can gain equipment from the main quests so we don't think they should face any problems. But we believe there are other chances to use low-level gear, such as creating materia or equipping them when leveling a second class.

---

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by LiadansWhisper

It's like you didn't even read what people said in this thread. :-\

---

THIS. 100% This.

Low level market dead because leveling from 1-50 is pretty fast, you can skip low level gear progression.

I honestly can't figure out why the game even has crafting or gathering now at this point after reading the official reply. Just go ahead and patch it all out and call the game Final Fantasy XIV: A Dungeon Repeated, and leave it at that. Seriously though a lot of us out in the game enjoy gathering and crafting find it to be a rewarding experience because it /IS/ fun and through all the MMO's I've personally played this is the first that acts like it wants to punish those that enjoy these activities.

Where as other games /REWARD/ craft and gathering roles. Be it unique and useful goods to extensive tradeskill quests similar to the relic quest but in terms of crafting. The older 1999 era games did this right and here we are in 2014 and we can't get it right here? Seriously between this and the housing issues Wildstar is sounding more and more fun by the minute >< I'm sorry but offering nothing but repeating the same couple dungeons for 6000 times isn't fun at all ><

My time active in Guild Wars 2? At the end game crafted /orange/ gear was equal to stats as dungeon level /orange/ gear. Just in a different assessment. If the player wanted Stat A more, they did dungeons, if the player wanted Stat B more? They went after crafted gear. Min-maxing all the way it stuck by that crafted gear and dungeon gear were equally useful at the end game.

My time in old EQ? The best visable raid armor was in fact all crafted armor. However it required certain raid augmentations (materia) to maximize its effectiveness.

That's just two of the games that got crafting right at the end game and still having a place among the raiders and hardcore endgamers. Why is it so different here?

crafting and gathering are only worth for achievements atm

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Hvinire

We designed FFXIV so that gear obtained from dungeons is more effective than crafted items.

---

Sorry but I'm going to rant here. You've made huge mistakes in your game design.

Crafting is useless level 1-49. You've made it so easy to level a craft it takes about a day to go from 1 to 50. You can do it with a level 1 item never crafting a thing. What is this? There is nothing to sell anyhow. The furniture market is garbage. Anyone that can afford a house can afford to have all crafts 50 and make their own junk. SE how did you screw this up so bad? When was it you decided to take solid working systems from 1.23 and turn them into trash? When was it that SE the maker of FFXI decided to chuck their past of creating challenging video games and throw it all away in favor of "everybody wins" WoW design?

I've been there since day one.. and I'm really unhappy with the direction this game is going..

Gathering and Crafting making money? No

Why? Because they refuse to make it more useful than crafting furniture that majority can't buy or won't buy because most don't own a house. If they do own a house they have a master crafter already.

What this game is slowly going towards to? GRIND

Yoshi P replied Grind your way to earn at least 3 month for 3 - 4 million for a small fc house.
Grind your way to earn the bis gear which have nothing to do with money.
Grind your day away to earn 20k gil but minus the traveling fee and repair fee you'll save about 5k gil a day.
Lastly sell runs to make money from people who don't really have money besides real money.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by SolArisa

Please tell your disciples of the Hand lead that maybe he should read threads first before dumping his pre-made standard replies on us.
That's it then, goodbye. Thankfully the Elder Scrolls beta tests starts on Friday.

---

I totally can't wait for Elder Scrolls online! I'll certainly be jumping to that when it's released on the ps4. So tired with all the ps3 issues for FFXIV that i just don't feel will ever be fixed. Freezes and game crashes should not be happening still after over 4 months in. And there is no word of a fix for it. So if Elder scrolls can have good running servers with barely any lag and little to no disconnects/crashes, they already beat FFXIV in my eyes.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Beetle

Its because new treasure chests can drop 9 of them at a time sometimes. Thats getting openning a chest and getting 1300 phil. That & there no need for market for them anymore and earning points has been given out much more since the patch.

---

you talk about the chests from treasure maps? still have to try that out, but unfotunately it makes sense...

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by juniglee

...Reason being that materials to craft CRP triple turn-ins were much cheaper than WVR triple turn-ins. Also, because of how the marketboard worked - unlike other crafting professions, with WVR you had to spend big money to level faster (Velveteen, Fleece, and Felt stages), or you had to go the cheaper, more time-consuming option of Cotton or Linen products, to bypass those stages where you should have been crafting Velveteen, Fleece, or Felt. Either way, you are also spending a lot on Lightning Shards, which were about 20g a piece on my server back when I leveled them.

---

Well if you buy the mats and then use them for tradeleves you will lose money in the exchange. However, if you farm the mats and sell the products on the AH you make a lot of money-and you still get EXP for it. You only need around 125 diremite webs to make to it the next tier-linen products. I had a Bainerite drop 7 diremite webs after the recent patch. It doesn't take that long to farm it. Same with lightning shards, you can gather 300 shards in 30 minutes in Central Thanlan. You really don't need tradecraft leves to get to the next tier until level 35 as a WVR. Sure, it's slower but you make money instead of losing it.

Quote:

---

In regards to alt gearing, it so happens that crafting is not the main source of gears for alts.
- Some people hoard low level dungeon gears. I know the only expenditure I would ever make for my alt classes would be a full HQ iLv15 set (which I can craft myself anyway - it's not hard to hit Level 20 on any crafting class). I believe there are people who are already collecting parts like Foestriker/Acolyte gear for vanity, so when their character hits Level 15, they'll have a gear set ready to go dungeoning with. I have the full Battlemage set from Brayflox, so if I hit 32 on a mage class, I can use that.
- Once I start dungeoning at 15, you can bet I'll be dungeoning to 50 the whole way. I'll be getting dungeon drops, which are equally as effective as HQ crafted gear, but not have to spend money on them.
- If you find dungeons aren't dropping the gear you want, there's the option of GC gear as well. Seals are easy to get (maybe not now, since people don't do FATE's as much, but you do get seals for doing guildhests roulette), and there's really nothing better to spend them on anyway, bar the Survival/Engineering Manuals II.

---

Sure, some gear is carried over, GC may offer you 1 or 2 pieces at the level you're at, and crafitng may not be the primary source of gear for alt-grinding-but it is the primary market for crafters. All of my level 30 HQ gear sold right after posting. Why? Brayflox It's a gear check for all classes. Everytime I'd put stuff up on the AH it would sell almost instantly. I could have made a killing since they wre easy to make, but my focus was on getting through the current tier and onto the next. Regardless, every product I post sells the only issue remaining is what margin am I comforatble with.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Aylis

I honestly can't figure out why the game even has crafting or gathering now at this point after reading the official reply. Just go ahead and patch it all out and call the game Final Fantasy XIV: A Dungeon Repeated, and leave it at that. Seriously though a lot of us out in the game enjoy gathering and crafting find it to be a rewarding experience because it /IS/ fun and through all the MMO's I've personally played this is the first that acts like it wants to punish those that enjoy these activities.

That's just two of the games that got crafting right at the end game and still having a place among the raiders and hardcore endgamers. Why is it so different here?

---

This direction could easily be changed in one patch, but with that dev response, I have zero confidence in the foreseeable future of DoL and DoH jobs.

Which leads me to second your question, Why even keep Crafting and Gathering in the game if they don't contribute anything substantial to it?

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Aylis

Final Fantasy XIV: A Dungeon Repeated

---

I laughed, but it's sad really. Is that all we really have to look forward to?

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Aylis

My time active in Guild Wars 2? At the end game crafted /orange/ gear was equal to stats as dungeon level /orange/ gear. Just in a different assessment. If the player wanted Stat A more, they did dungeons, if the player wanted Stat B more? They went after crafted gear. Min-maxing all the way it stuck by that crafted gear and dungeon gear were equally useful at the end game.

My time in old EQ? The best visable raid armor was in fact all crafted armor. However it required certain raid augmentations (materia) to maximize its effectiveness.

That's just two of the games that got crafting right at the end game and still having a place among the raiders and hardcore endgamers. Why is it so different here?

---

Those sound like excellent crafting systems. I really wish XIV was more like one of those!
I would love to feel important and like the game has a place for me on my favourite jobs (crafting). I would love to be needed and help others.
We need a way to keep crafting relevant. I know SE can do it if they try, but it just seems that they're unwilling to.
Why toss out a great system when you could choose to improve upon it and keep the players happy?

The true problem with the market and crafting as a whole is nothing is really worth buying. I don't understand why they decided to trash the materia system from 1.23. Spend millions of gil and a lot of time and luck and you may get an item better than a dungeon drop... doesn't that sound like it makes sense?

They capped the item levels and reduced the risk for materia by making it so if you broke you wouldn't loose the item.. thus.. gutting it entirely.

since FATE's are the go too dont need gear to XP. kinda like FFXI abyssea lv30-99 naked "key master"

the market is pretty much dead only reason anything is moving is relics & people grinding crafts just for the hell of it.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by DeceptionsWrath

I totally can't wait for Elder Scrolls online! I'll certainly be jumping to that when it's released on the ps4. So tired with all the ps3 issues for FFXIV that i just don't feel will ever be fixed. Freezes and game crashes should not be happening still after over 4 months in. And there is no word of a fix for it. So if Elder scrolls can have good running servers with barely any lag and little to no disconnects/crashes, they already beat FFXIV in my eyes.

---

It took almost a full year for Skyrim to stop having issues on ps3, plus all the DLC was months later than other platforms. The ps4 is definitely a better system and easier for devs to work with, but I wouldn't hold my breath on ESO being perfect from the get go. Games hardly are these days.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Zfz

It never occurred to the devs that people horde gear for alt classes. I have a whole retainer full of gear for alt classes. I don't need crafted gear.

My monk is wearing full Strikers set the minute she dinged 15. My Conjurer will have half battlemage and the other half aetherial gear when she dings 32. My archer is level 10 with again gear horded from my main, and already has 10 aetherial/unique bows from level 15 up to level 50 stacked away waiting for her.

Not that everyone's like this, but the assumption that people will need crafted gear when they level up their second class, is flawed.

---

^THAT
plus if you're really bored and cannot be bothered with FATEs, and happen do do a few leves to kill tima on an alt, 8/10 treasure coffers drop aetherial gear good for that leve lvl range. Definitely there are too many sources out there

"Quote Originally Posted by Hvinire View Post
Confirmed with Disciple of the Hand lead

Currently there are no plans to add any new low/mid level crafting recipes.
We designed FFXIV so that gear obtained from dungeons is more effective than crafted items."

Its like that through the whole game making crafting pointless. The exact reason I stopped crafting..

I'm sure I'm not the only one who's been the same here, but crafting has always been difficult for me in MMOs to get into. For some reason (I think obviously it's the way the crafting system works) this game is the exception. And when I finally get into it, I find out that I'm going to be a chair that "dungeon grinders" can park their asses on.

As bad as FFXIV 1.X may have been, at least it didn't become a WoW clone. I'm starting to see this game take that path. I had faith in Yoshi-P and the Dev team in specification, but now I'm staring to regret it.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Hvinire

Confirmed with Disciple of the Hand lead

Currently there are no plans to add any new low/mid level crafting recipes.
We designed FFXIV so that gear obtained from dungeons is more effective than crafted items.

For their first class, players can gain equipment from the main quests so we don't think they should face any problems. But we believe there are other chances to use low-level gear, such as creating materia or equipping them when leveling a second class.

---

I think people just want there to be more to crafting than just crafting for crafting's sake, and to be able to have more incentives to continue doing an aspect of the game that they enjoy, which is something that most people do not see a point in doing right now. And, even with furnishings, there seems to be little to no confidence in that market anymore among the playerbase. We need a poll! ...Or, a player-survey!

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Hvinire

Confirmed with Disciple of the Hand lead

Currently there are no plans to add any new low/mid level crafting recipes.
We designed FFXIV so that gear obtained from dungeons is more effective than crafted items.

For their first class, players can gain equipment from the main quests so we don't think they should face any problems. But we believe there are other chances to use low-level gear, such as creating materia or equipping them when leveling a second class.

---

Here's the problem that I have with this..and it's been bothering me for a bit now.

I leveled my first class (Paladin) through quests and whatnot and got the gear through that and dungeons. Fine, cool, I like it. Doesn't force me to do anything in particular. At the same time, however, I made sure to cap up my rank in my GC and made sure to do all the GC hunting logs. This gives me access to all GC gear.

Here's where your last line makes NO sense: I have been successfully able to level from 1-50 with three other classes without a single bit of gear from crafters by simply slotting in GC items instead. Due to the fact of the ease of leveling (Through Fates pre 2.1), gear has lost such value and need, and the saturation of what you guys did gear wise, that crafting is completely useless and it completely nullfies your statement of "other chances to use low-level gear". Why? I get enough points out of Fates to feed myself gear every five levels through the GC and STILL get gold in Fates and give my full 100% participation.

So if crafting is supposed to help level other classes...and yet I have the option to not even bother and just grab gear out of a GC which has better gear than crafted stuff at that level...What's the point of crafting other than a sink?

And not even a great one too.

I wish you guys, instead of just coming to sit and say "yeah so the leads say this won't happen" would actually sit down a bit longer and discuss just how you guys approached it and what their thought process was. It would help us understand a bit more.

Honestly? Crafting's pointless. Entirely pointless and a simple "do this cause it's in the game" type deal. I understand the approach of not wanting to force people to level because it's the best gear, but man...give DoH SOMETHING.

This is no FFXI.
Its a new generation MMO.
You dont need crafters in here.
Just remember WoW.
In the end DoH will be good only for crafting best in game enchantments for your gear.
And ofcourse you need a DoH to apply it.
Thats where this new generation crafting idea ends.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Calamity

This is no FFXI.
Its a new generation MMO.
You dont need crafters in here.
Just remember WoW.
In the end DoH will be good only for crafting best in game enchantments for your gear.
And ofcourse you need a DoH to apply it.
Thats where this new generation crafting idea ends.

---

You want to know something about WoW, it didn't fuck over its crafters. That shiny gear you just got from that hardcore Raid? It needed enchants and gems to make it best of the best. If you were a crafter you had access to perks others did not. Even the perks from crafting were different between the professions, a blacksmith could add more gems slots to their gear, while the jewelcrafter had access to better gems than everyone else. Now take FFXIV, it literally throws it crafter to the wolves once people begin raiding.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Hvinire

Confirmed with Disciple of the Hand lead

Currently there are no plans to add any new low/mid level crafting recipes.
We designed FFXIV so that gear obtained from dungeons is more effective than crafted items.

For their first class, players can gain equipment from the main quests so we don't think they should face any problems. But we believe there are other chances to use low-level gear, such as creating materia or equipping them when leveling a second class.

---

LOL WUT?! LMAO! So, since you can get gear easily though vendors. Whats the point in crafting all those levels again? To just keep us playing your game? Oh... i guess so. How very interesting.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by LiadansWhisper

It's like you didn't even read what people said in this thread. :-\

---

Tada! Please look forward to it!

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Artemed

Now take FFXIV, it literally throws it crafter to the wolves once people begin raiding.

---

Actually, it does that 1-50. Story wise you can get all your gear.. then second lv characters you can get anything you ever need through vendors, just go look. :/ I completely agree with you. This is a full fledged throw a playstyle under the bus. They might as well scrap crafters. *shrugs*

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by KrenianKandos

...

---

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Artemed

...

---

Even with the decision they've made, there are are still other ways to make crafting relevant. Like making bags that would increase your inventory space per box (6x6 would become 7x7 with HQ, and maybe give the bags special or regular materia slots too), and a magitech speeder mount that would require parts to build and new parts to replace with the benefit of not drawing aggro from enemies while on the map. And to limit the number of players able to craft these items by having players having to select a main-crafting job, which could drive up prices on those items. We could even have design plans that could make your favorite piece of gear have the same stats as the best of it's class by taking it to get upgraded at a secret shop of sorts run by talking skeletons in snazzy suits, succubi, ahriman, and other void sent. That way you can still use your favorite pieces of armor. You would need to live through the journey to get there though.

Yea there are so many interesting things they can do with crafters. Just have to wait and see. I still don't entirely subscribe to the "crafters useless at endgame" idea. I mean there isn't much they can do, but they at least help with Relic weapons - everybody wants their relic. I would be all for more stuff like the relic, get a few rare parts (either from gathering or dungeons or both) then have quests for finishing "it" out. "It" being armor or other weapons, accessories, etc. I understand where the devs are coming from with the don't want people buying the best gear, esp not with RMT money, so just make it more involved like the relic quest chain.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by MPNZ

Snip.

---

These are good ideas, but considering this game is run by a JP company, I doubt we'll see anything in depth. Probably more rides for the themepark instead. All I can say now is this game has turned into a greater disappointment now than 1.XX ever was for me, and unlike back then there are much better options coming out soon. I can say with honesty that Wildstar has my full interest, its offering a housing system that doesn't have a ridiculous upfront cost, it start small and progresses from upgrades you get as you advance your character. It has a system called paths that rewards different play styles. You like exploring, you get access to content other paths don't. The settler path is awesome for someone, it lets you place building and buff stations in the game world others can use. And these paths aren't limited to solo play, different paths in a party or raid bring perks for the group. Where with XIV what crafting/gathering has no real bearing on group play, aside from consumables but you can easily get from a random off the marketboard.