For those who want to ask Yoshi about FFXI styled endgame content

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Originally Posted by _Id

I liked it, but people thought it was too hard. I honestly miss it, I feel no sense of value or accomplishment from anything I do in this game. Maybe when I have all jobs to 50 and completely geared. That will prolly take the same amount of time as gearing one job in ffxi.

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Problem is if you have the content difficult enough where you get frustrated from the difficulty you have people that will just up and leave for a game that's more relaxing while not being as difficult. MMO's in the past got away with it because that was the only option. They didn't opt for a bigger world because there's not much of a point when people won't spend much time in those areas. Not to mention if it took awhile to get to places people would grow bored and find it tedious running back and forth. People already complained during the leveling up process of the current world and the amount of running around you have to do. The issue is that leveling up/gearing up FF11 wasn't that much of an accomplishment. Killing one mob was no more difficult than killing ten mobs. It's tedious and time consuming aka a grind. Not difficult.

As for the bolded part I enjoyed my time spent in old school mmo's but I refuse to spend time like that again. I'm not alone and if things required that much time I'd play another game that didn't.

Good lord, the XI people need to leave their rooms. What was XI endgame besides an endurance test? There's a reason why Maplestory and XI lost a lot of their players after their brief euphoric moment.

TL;DR - no one wants 4-20 hour boss fights.

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Originally Posted by calamityz

...TL;DR - no one wants 4-20 hour boss fights.

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No one is asking for extremely long boss fights like XI had (though that, in part, was because of gameplay mechanics).

Despite what you might think of FFXI or other peoples negative posts, the game had good ideas and some of them could be implemented into the current system and would certainly make FFXIV stand out more from other MMORPGs, especially in the endgame. I'd like more things to do in endgame rather than repeat the same couple dungeons just to get equipment. I know they're adding more to do in ver2.1 (CT and some HM dungeons iirc, among others), but it would still be nice to see some of the good ideas borrowed from XI.

TL;DR? - I don't think anybody wants an endurance test or endless grind, we want more variety in XIV. And XI has things that XIV could borrow that might give us more variety if (properly) implemented.

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Originally Posted by Reslin

They didn't opt for a bigger world because there's not much of a point when people won't spend much time in those areas. Not to mention if it took awhile to get to places people would grow bored and find it tedious running back and forth.

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This is partially untrue. 1.0 had a pretty expansive world. The problem was they made it by cheating through using the same rocks and trees over and over and over and over again. Which was a huge complaint to players, especially in regards to the Black Shroud as you could never tell where you were since everything looked the same.

Anyway, so basically they had to redo the whole world from scratch after that and make it more unique, so they had to cut size on time. Not to mention the needing to add zones lines to help with the OMGAWFULSLOW lag that was 1.0.

This is not to say I am complaining. I played 1.0, this world is a million times better than that one. Just wanted to point this out.

Here's an idea OP. As part of the FFXIV crossover program SE could do-- say, a throwback event every now and then or something permanent where they would implement a FFXIV style version of old FFXI content. They would just need to be short and sweet and not the three-plus hour grindfest that was Dynamis.

For example

Nyzul Isle, Limbus and Salvage would all fit nicely in FFXIV.


Sky & Sea - Multi-turns like Coil with no weekly limit.

Area Name: Tu'lia (Ru'Aun Gardens, Shrine of Ru'Avitau and Ve'Lugannon Palace all in one giant stage: Think like the way Brayflox's map is or even CM)

• Turn 1: Fight through sky fodder with mini bosses Olla Grande, Zipacna then finally Genbu
• Turn 2: Same deal as above but with Steam Cleaner, Mother Glove and boss: Seiryu
• Turn 3 & 4 follow that pattern.

After that you unlock the Kirin battle. And just because we're in Tu'lia we could also have one of the best battles ever to grace FFXI: Divine Might!

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Originally Posted by Aery

What is everyone's problem really?

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The problem is that a few people spam the forum with requests of FF14 to have the same content as FF11 + RoZ + CoP. Expecting 4 years of content after a few months is just silly. Settle down and accept that it takes time. The "FFXI content" will come later at a slow pace.

Not that you'll call it "FFXI content" because it will be different. (SE always does things different between their games)

Looking for more discussions on this today. Any suggestions, etc.

It's been so many times I've repeating my experiences here...

Started XI after XIV 1.0 final save, and I actually enjoy and like the game very much. For an old game, it's still very beautiful.

And yes, the pace was kinda slower but that doesn't mean it's easy. It can be fast without realizing it. Raid contents and alliances have proven that.

Lately, SE has introduced content called Monstrosity, which effectively revitalize old regions. Now every time I travel to those area, I find some activities.

As for grinding, people had realize places like Gusgen Mines or Crawler's Nest overly packed, so they have found more suitable places to grind. And even those places started to get crowded too.

Right now I heard they added more new stuff to revitalize old contents too. Too bad I already quit XI to commit myself to ARR for now. But I want to go back to XI again someday.

My only complaints for XI is the lacking of inventory spaces to accommodate huge list of stuff XI has to offer.

nice its up to 131 likes ^^ I hope we get a solid response this time to this!!! Instead of a vague explanation that will lead to disappointment like usual lol

Number of things listed in OP that were added in expansions: 8/10

Number of expansions FFXIV: ARR has had so far: 0

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Originally Posted by Boohiss

Number of things listed in OP that were added in expansions: 8/10

Number of expansions FFXIV: ARR has had so far: 0

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FFXIV 1.0--> FFXIV ARR expanded nothing I guess.

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I mean, there's going to be players that are like, "pphhh w/e"! Content on FFXI endgame also meant beating up hard "monstards"(dumb monsters that are hard to solo or low-man if you don't know what your doing) and build gear out of cursed items. There was options to upgrade gear too for fun! Yeah people may complain that it's a time0sink but what else are you going to do to "better yourself", huh?

There was lore to be discovered and it was also fun while upgrading/ augmenting equipment and gear. I hope this is something we can doing in groups(and maybe low-man). You know, with friends!

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Originally Posted by Beetle

FFXIV 1.0--> FFXIV ARR expanded nothing I guess.

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A re-release is not an expansion pack. They canned one game, took parts of it, and made another game. Most, including me, would say that it is for the better that we don't need our 1.0 install discs anymore.

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Originally Posted by Beetle

FFXIV 1.0--> FFXIV ARR expanded nothing I guess.

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ARR is a rerelease, not an expansion.

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So I heard Yoshi has sort of answered this question before? Anyone have any details on that?

Even still I think showing him that the ex-FFXI playerbase is still very interested in this type of content, might sway his decision.

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Originally Posted by Malamasala

Which FFXI did you play? The one I played everyone went to exp at the same places, so over 80% of the world was empty. And the moment people got the option to level faster in Abyssea, or keep partying outside, everyone moved to Abyssea because they didn't care at all about the open world. I'd be surprised if there is more than 10 people per server who are obsessed with FFXI.

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When Final Fantasy 11 first came out in the USA it was not uncommon to see groups of players fighting all over the place. There were hot spots of course. But the world still seemed alive with other players working together as a team to kill monsters.

My comments are meant to reflect the pre-Abyssea days. Final Fantasy 11 has dramatically changed over the years... and leveling up is nothing like it used to be. And I believe people moved to Abyssea because it was just more efficient. I don't think it had anything to do with the fact they didn't care about the open world.

And I am not "obsessed". I just miss the old days when there was an incentive to exploring the world of an MMORPG and leveling up as a group, rather just soloing everything with a few instances on the side.

I only briefly read the post but perhaps this thread should be titled: "For those who want to ask Yoshi about endgame content other than dungeons"

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Originally Posted by Babydoll

nice its up to 131 likes ^^ I hope we get a solid response this time to this!!! Instead of a vague explanation that will lead to disappointment like usual lol

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Originally Posted by VahnValbosce

So I heard Yoshi has sort of answered this question before? Anyone have any details on that?

Even still I think showing him that the ex-FFXI playerbase is still very interested in this type of content, might sway his decision.

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He gave a long and very detailed explanation on FFXI-like content for FFXIV on the beta forums, enough you could make a short novel out of it. I can't pull it up since the beta forums are down, but if someone happen to have it somewhere and like to share it. I am sure Yoshi-P doesn't feel like writing that wall of text again.

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Originally Posted by Velhart

He gave a long and very detailed explanation on FFXI-like content for FFXIV on the beta forums, enough you could make a short novel out of it. I can't pull it up since the beta forums are down, but if someone happen to have it somewhere and like to share it. I am sure Yoshi-P doesn't feel like writing that wall of text again.

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I would love to read that wall-o-text

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Originally Posted by Dale

When Final Fantasy 11 first came out in the USA it was not uncommon to see groups of players fighting all over the place. There were hot spots of course. But the world still seemed alive with other players working together as a team to kill monsters.

My comments are meant to reflect the pre-Abyssea days. Final Fantasy 11 has dramatically changed over the years... and leveling up is nothing like it used to be. And I believe people moved to Abyssea because it was just more efficient. I don't think it had anything to do with the fact they didn't care about the open world.

And I am not "obsessed". I just miss the old days when there was an incentive to exploring the world of an MMORPG and leveling up as a group, rather just soloing everything with a few instances on the side.

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It's still happening nowadays. True, abyssea has been favourite places to grind some xps. But Adoulin kinda forces you to also cap you skills too. Hence now I would still find players around old worlds skilling. And there's that new Monstrosity content too.

Was this question asked?

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Originally Posted by Pseudopsia

Was this question asked?

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Nope, unless he answers more in the next Live Letter from General Questions.

It is the most liked question in the General Questions also, and possibly the most liked out of every section. It is on Page 34 though, don't know if that matters.

One thing that I used to tell people who never played ffxi was about how its endgame content didn't grow cold. The level cap was at 75 forever and that made all end came content relevant. Sky was basically the first end game content and people were still farming drops from it during wings of the goddess expansion because the gear was still useful. You could have a decked out character with pieces from all the end game content. Think of all the other MMORPGS out there…soon as the expansion came out…all old content became obsolete. The new content became all there was to do now for nothing else mattered. I really hope that ff14 does what XI did and keep all end game relevant so there will always be variety.

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Originally Posted by Sypherblade

One thing that I used to tell people who never played ffxi was about how its endgame content didn't grow cold. The level cap was at 75 forever and that made all end came content relevant. Sky was basically the first end game content and people were still farming drops from it during wings of the goddess expansion because the gear was still useful. You could have a decked out character with pieces from all the end game content. Think of all the other MMORPGS out there…soon as the expansion came out…all old content became obsolete. The new content became all there was to do now for nothing else mattered. I really hope that ff14 does what XI did and keep all end game relevant so there will always be variety.

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I hope so too.

Here's hoping that somehow Yoshi learns about XI's content during 75 cap pre-abyssea era and takes that into account when designing the game further.