So... that spiderman shirt... (new job tease)

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Originally Posted by Brightshadow

Really amarant you're creating false samurai characters BLU and SAM are pretty much on par in introductions into the series doesn't mean samurai has appeared more than BLU.

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He brought up a blue/dancer hybrid from the after years. So, if hybrids aren't acceptable.. then maybe he should scrap that idea.

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Originally Posted by frankenbeans

Or even a blunt damage tank :D wouldn't that be cool.

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I avoid club/mace weapons like the plague, i dont find them interesting :P

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Originally Posted by Dorander

He brought up a blue/dancer hybrid from the after years. So, if hybrids aren't acceptable.. then maybe he should scrap that idea.

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Yes but BLU main mechanic is learning/using monster magic. The main mechanic for SAM is their katana.

In FF Tactic A2, there is a job called White Monk (and there is Master Monk too). I mean, colors are not only assigned to mages.
So because we are struggling for Samurai and Blue Mage, I propose and predict the job Blue Samurai !

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Originally Posted by Dorander

Right back at you Frakenbeans. Ignoring data files thinking they are a red harring, and so on and so on. Oh, here are a few more 'numbers' for you:

1. Final fantasy 7 - Sephiroth
2. Final Fantasy 9 - Amarant has both monk and samurai skills. So, as you brought up, could be a hybrid. However, if you want to nix the hybrids.. That's up to you.
3. Brave Exvius - Cyan
4. Final Fantasy XV - Cor Leonis
5. Theatrhythm - Auron
6. They are enemies in final fantasy Legend 1 and 3

So, adding those 5 (with your subtraction and assumption I was talking about Steiner) That increases Samurai's "representation" Up to 26. (or if you scrap the hybrids - 25 to your 24 for blue mage)

So, please.. continue along with your hopes for BLU. Maybe you'll get your birthday wish, maybe you'll be dissappointed.

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I think you may be a little angry at this point. You shouldn't be nor do I want you to be upset. I thought we were past the counting jobs part. I never saw sephiroth or someone in FF9 use gill toss or bushido. So is it that they have a katana they are a samurai, wouldn't just giving warrior or dark knight a katana satisfy your samurai definition :D there see problem solved. I believe Dark knight already has a katana looking weapon you can glamour. So in a way samurai is already in the game for you. :)

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I think you may be a little angry at this point. You shouldn't be nor do I want you to be upset. I thought we were past the counting jobs part. I never saw sephiroth or someone in FF9 use gill toss or bushido. So is it that they have a katana they are a samurai, wouldn't just giving warrior or dark knight a katana satisfy your samurai definition :D there see problem solved. I believe Dark knight already has a katana looking weapon you can glamour. So in a way samurai is already in the game for you. :)

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If we go that route, SMN is BLU, because you absorb the primal's powers and gain their aether by fighting them

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Originally Posted by Brightshadow

Yes but BLU main mechanic is learning/using monster magic. The main mechanic for SAM is their katana.

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Not necessarily, gil toss is a traditional SAM skill, along with a few others.

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I think you may be a little angry at this point. You shouldn't be nor do I want you to be upset. I thought we were past the counting jobs part. I never saw sephiroth or someone in FF9 use gill toss or bushido. So is it that they have a katana they are a samurai, wouldn't just giving warrior or dark knight a katana satisfy your samurai definition :D there see problem solved. I believe Dark knight already has a katana looking weapon you can glamour. So in a way samurai is already in the game for you. :)

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Nah, not angry. Just proving a point. Fine: in 7 Cloud does get a katana weapon and the level 2 ability from the throw materia (you brought up the enemy skill materia for blue) is gil toss. Does that make him a Samurai? I can twist things just as far. There are quite a few skills shared by current jobs as monsters out in the world. Can't you just glamour on your Thavnairian Bolero set and RP that you are a Blue Mage? See, how easy that is? Be a white mage or a black mage and say you learned Aero and stone from the wind / earth elementals. Or Fire and Blizzard from the fire/ice elementals.

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Originally Posted by Valkyrie_Lenneth

If we go that route, SMN is BLU, because you absorb the primal's powers and gain their aether by fighting them

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Exactly my point.

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Originally Posted by Dorander

Not necessarily, gil toss is a traditional SAM skill, along with a few others.




Nah, not angry. Just proving a point. Fine: in 7 Cloud does get a katana weapon and the level 2 ability from the throw materia (you brought up the enemy skill materia for blue) is gil toss. Does that make him a Samurai? I can twist things just as far. There are quite a few skills shared by current jobs as monsters out in the world. Can't you just glamour on your Thavnairian Bolero set and RP you are a Blue Mage? See, how easy that is?



Exactly my point.

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Which jobs share monster skills. Forgive me as I wasn't aware that any current job uses beast magic. The Thavnairian Bolero looks pretty cool but Blue mages have only appeared middle eastern in Final Fantasy 11 so Blue mage doesn't have to look middle eastern.

So if both Blue mage and Samurai are satisfied by their respectice glamour capabilities; We can now assume that the Spiderman shirt can be a reference for Dancer or Beast Master. Those are some awesome jobs too :)

Do you also think Dancer and Beast Master are cool possibilities?

A combo job like Bard....

Blue Mage
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Morpher
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Um.... Blue Morpho? YEAH! THATS IT!!! BLUE MORPHO job confirmed!!!
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Originally Posted by frankenbeans

Which jobs share monster skills. Forgive me as I wasn't aware that any current job uses beast magic. The Thavnairian Bolero looks pretty cool but Blue mages have only appeared middle eastern in Final Fantasy 11 so Blue mage doesn't have to look middle eastern.

So if both Blue mage and Samurai are satisfied by their respectice glamour capabilities; We can now assume that the Spiderman shirt can be a reference for Dancer or Beast Master. Those are some awesome jobs too :)

Do you also think Dancer and Beast Master are cool possibilities?

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Jobs that share monster skills: White Mage, Black Mage, Summoner (I mean Deathflare is Ahk Morn) Dancer could also be satisfied with glamour capabilities. Just be a monk, and type /dance. It would be exactly what those who have been insisting about it since the trailer saw.

As for Beast Master - At best, it would work exactly like summoner. I highly doubt we'll be getting either (DNC and BST) any time soon though. Might as well toss in the other off the wall theories: Chemist, Geomancer, Corsair (yes, people think that), Photographer - new crafting/gathering job... Do you honestly think any of those have a chance?

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Jobs that share monster skills: White Mage, Black Mage, Summoner (I mean Deathflare is Ahk Morn) Dancer could also be satisfied with glamour capabilities. Just be a monk, and type /dance. It would be exactly what those who have been insisting about it since the trailer saw.

As for Beast Master - At best, it would work exactly like summoner. I highly doubt we'll be getting either (DNC and BST) any time soon though. Might as well toss in the other off the wall theories: Chemist, Geomancer, Corsair (yes, people think that), Photographer - new crafting/gathering job... Do you honestly think any of those have a chance?

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I don't believe Ahk Morn was ever a blue mage spell. Blue magic is a very specific set of abilities like Might Guard, Goblin Punch or Bomb toss. But I do love your other job ideas.

Those are all cool class ideas. I wouldn't say its impossible that they show up as they are Final Fantasy jobs. Thank you for sharing them and I'm glad you think those jobs are cool too!

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ROFL Thats dumb, yes I know how they would do it, and idc how hard you want to believe it, it wont be a legit blu. Hence the fact it would be a travesty and a train wreck. a BLU who doesnt have to learn from the monsters... it just knows the attacks and you have to use them all in a specific order... good lord that sounds sooooo bad... WHY WOULD ANYONE WANT THAT?

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You've worked yourself up to the point where you've lost sight of what Blue Mage is really about. And I'm just gonna spell it out: It's not about the chore of learning magic from enemies, it's about the actual use of enemy abilities. Please note that I did not specify Monster Abilities, I said Enemy Abilities. Blue Mages are perfectly capable of reverse-engineering abilities from other humans and machines alike. Terminus Est, anyone? How about Diffractive Laser?

And what difference does it make how you get the abilities? Once you learn it, you have it forever. You should be looking at the job for what it does at max level, not complaining about how it's not arbitrarily more or less true to how you feel it "should" learn its spells. What matters is which moves are selected and how they interact together as a cohesive moveset.

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Originally Posted by Dorander

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Monster skills are abilities unique tied to a specific monster or family. Magic is not a monster skill, it's a skill utilized by intelligence based monsters and enemy NPCs. We know exactly what identifies as monster skills, stop trying to act ignorant to not prove a point.

The attempts at trying to count where jobs are and aren't referenced is going nowhere, as y'all can't decide what is and isn't, so just stop.

Clearly when we see the shirt we only see Spider-Man, and he gains his super powers through a spider. This is obvious. But we're not thinking about the man behind the mask! Peter Park, freelance photographer. Now we joke about Photography being a DoL/DoH, but obviously we were too far apart.

But this is most certainly an indication that XIV shall bring back the glorious art of Pankration! That's right, we are going to be getting a class that will utilize the art of ripping the souls out of monsters and using them as our own source of power. Now wait, you might be wondering how exactly? Clearly we look no further than the updated version of FFVI! A dear beloved character known as Relm (A character we have a minion of already, if you didn't know) uses the art of Pictomancy to copy enemy abilties by sketching them! In a more modernized form we shall have photographic powers to claima nd copy monster powers! (This will also be great for the FFXV tie in, a Prompto-themed item the ladies and lads will love.)

I can get behind a camera version of Pictomancy, but only if one of the abilities we get out of it are giant laser from the lens. Weaponized lens flares.

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Originally Posted by Dualblade

I can get behind a camera version of Pictomancy, but only if one of the abilities we get out of it are giant laser from the lens. Weaponized lens flares.

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That'll be our tier 3 LB, We line up for just the right shot, and then BAM! Death Star Laser in the enemy's face! Or we swipe it and then explosions like Valefor laser! That sounds better!

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Originally Posted by Lewtskie

Monster skills are abilities unique tied to a specific monster or family. Magic is not a monster skill, it's a skill utilized by intelligence based monsters and enemy NPCs. We know exactly what identifies as monster skills, stop trying to act ignorant to not prove a point.

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Explain Ahk Morn then? Just magic and hand/wavey? Summoner's are taping into the residual aether of Bahamut when he manifested at Cartineau to recreate at least on a minor scale: his power.

How about Dragoon? Their entire job quest story explains that the Warrior of Light is also a true Azure Dragoon along with Estinien. Which means they are drawing power directly from the Azure eye, through their soul gem, manifesting supernatural abilities from the power of dragons.

So at least with two of the jobs, we are pulling power DIRECTLY from dragons or in the case of SMN a primal version of one. Sounds very Blue Mage to me.. but, I suppose you'll say those don't count.

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Originally Posted by Dorander

Explain Ahk Morn then? Just magic and hand/wavey? Summoner's are taping into the residual aether of Bahamut when he manifested at Cartineau to recreate at least on a minor scale: his power.

How about Dragoon? Their entire job quest story explains that the Warrior of Light is also a true Azure Dragoon along with Estinien. Which means they are drawing power directly from the Azure eye, through their soul gem, manifesting supernatural abilities from the power of dragons.

So at least with two of the jobs, we are pulling power DIRECTLY from dragons or in the case of SMN a primal version of one. Sounds very Blue Mage to me.. but, I suppose you'll say those don't count.

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They don't count as Blue Magic refers to a specific set of abilities that have been fairly consistent through out the final fantasy series. It's not primal energy that summoners use or dragoon abilities. I believe you know this but are being intellectually dishonest by creating a false equivalency with fin fantasy's blue magic and just any old ability used by mobs or bosses.

Here's the problem tho, you reference Mighty Guard as a Blue Mage ability, but it is currently one of the Tank LB's. Its not used by any of the enemies in the game either. So we already have a blue mage ability. Wonder what other Blue Mage skills are already in use by other classes.

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Originally Posted by Dorander

but, I suppose you'll say those don't count.

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jfc... Okay let's make a very clear understanding of what Blue Magic or similar arts entail. You are not just drawing power from an enemy. It goes deeper than that. Blue Magic,Copy Magic, Pictomancy is utilizing a very high level magic to systematically replicate an enemies move and reconstruct it to allow use by an individual who would not readily have the limbs, mechanisms, or body structure to perform such maneuvers. This is done through taking on the said moves, and why not all moves can be replicated. Your body remembers the move, the pain or function, and the magic draws from that. This is why in XI it was established how dangerous this art was. You turn yourself into a living weapon, every part of your body a point to channel the magic.

DRGs merely feed off the eye of a dragon for power which stimulates their bodies, giving them enhanced skills. Likewise does SMN use Ahk Morn specifically? NO. It uses a very weaker form constructed by their art. And that aside, you are channeling, much like DRG, to perform this feat. SAMN in essence is a channeler, even Death Flare uses the still lingering essence of Bahamut to perform it. You as yourself don't have the full power to perform it at will.

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Originally Posted by Dorander

Explain Ahk Morn then? Just magic and hand/wavey? Summoner's are taping into the residual aether of Bahamut when he manifested at Cartineau to recreate at least on a minor scale: his power.

How about Dragoon? Their entire job quest story explains that the Warrior of Light is also a true Azure Dragoon along with Estinien. Which means they are drawing power directly from the Azure eye, through their soul gem, manifesting supernatural abilities from the power of dragons.

So at least with two of the jobs, we are pulling power DIRECTLY from dragons or in the case of SMN a primal version of one. Sounds very Blue Mage to me.. but, I suppose you'll say those don't count.

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Because those aren't Blue Mage situations in the slightest.

A Blue Mage learns the powers of their enemies, but uses their own power to recreate them. As you've pointed out, Dragoons/Summoners are using power -directly- from other sources to perform their arts. Maybe I'm wrong and Blue Mages keep eyes and ears of enemies and use them up to use skills in some kind of spell-reagent fashion. Somehow, I don't think they do. At least, I cannot see them doing so in FFXIV.

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Originally Posted by frankenbeans

So I went and checked his "proof".

He can't even count correctly. He conveniently forgets to add FF8's Quistis Trepe making it 16. He doesn't Add blue mage from final fantasy explorers but yet does so on Samurai. Bringing Blue mage up to 17. There WAS NO SAMURAI in Final Fantasy 9 as Steiner was not a samurai but a Knight. -1 for samurai. If we are counting Bravely Defaults Sword master as Samurai then We count Vampire and Catmancer as Blue mage. Blue mage was in the game data of final fantasy record keeper but Ill be generous and leave it off.

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I merely mistyped FF8 as FF7 on the list, and I have Explorers on both lists. So a mistake on my end that doesn't change the total count, and a reading comprehension fail on your end that still doesn't change the count. And if we're counting BS like FFX-2's gun mage, despite not being called a blue mage, and not using something called blue magic, then Steiner from IX counts given his sword art mechanic functions almost identically to the recurring Samurai mechanic of Bushido, this is why I included him. But hey, I can take him off the list, and as ErikMynhier pointed out, I missed a samurai in the form of Parivir from Tactics A2, so it doesn't effect the total number of SAM.

I didn't include Bravely Default since it's not technically a Final Fantasy game, and considering both SAM and BLU had representation in both games they would not have effected the numbers. This was doing you a favor because if we counted that, then we would have also needed to count Samurai Rising, of which would have given yet another point to the Samurai tally and not the Blue Mage one.
You'll also note I have not edited my post, so the list is still there as I had initially typed it.

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So To repeat he left off FF8 and Final Fantasy Explorers from his Blue list. Making Total it a Total of 17.

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So to recap, I mis-typed FF8 as FF7, and taking away Steiner, but adding FFTA2 Parivir for Samurai, makes the total still: 15 for Blue Mage, 16 for Samurai.

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So there you go. I am willing to believe that it was just a simple counting error and was not intentional but there's your proof that Blue Mage made more appearances than Samurai.

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So you're still wrong, and Samurai has still appeared in more Final Fantasy games than Blue Mage.


Edit: As pointed out as I'm reading the replies I missed while sleeping. I have overlooked the Enemy Skill materia from FF7, however, if we're going to count that, then Gil Toss is also a materia from 7 too, which is Samurai ability, so arguably FF7 should be on both lists, which still doesn't change the outcome.

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Originally Posted by frankenbeans

They don't count as Blue Magic refers to a specific set of abilities that have been fairly consistent through out the final fantasy series. It's not primal energy that summoners use or dragoon abilities. I believe you know this but are being intellectually dishonest by creating a false equivalency with fin fantasy's blue magic and just any old ability used by mobs or bosses.

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Originally Posted by Lewtskie

jfc... Okay let's make a very clear understanding of what Blue Magic or similar arts entail. You are not just drawing power from an enemy. It goes deeper than that. Blue Magic,Copy Magic, Pictomancy is utilizing a very high level magic to systematically replicate an enemies move and reconstruct it to allow use by an individual who would not readily have the limbs, mechanisms, or body structure to perform such maneuvers. This is done through taking on the said moves, and why not all moves can be replicated. Your body remembers the move, the pain or function, and the magic draws from that. This is why in XI it was established how dangerous this art was. You turn yourself into a living weapon, every part of your body a point to channel the magic.

DRGs merely feed off the eye of a dragon for power which stimulates their bodies, giving them enhanced skills. Likewise does SMN use Ahk Morn specifically? NO. It uses a very weaker form constructed by their art. And that aside, you are channeling, much like DRG, to perform this feat. SAMN in essence is a channeler, even Death Flare uses the still lingering essence of Bahamut to perform it. You as yourself don't have the full power to perform it at will.

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Because those aren't Blue Mage situations in the slightest.

A Blue Mage learns the powers of their enemies, but uses their own power to recreate them. As you've pointed out, Dragoons/Summoners are using power -directly- from other sources to perform their arts. Maybe I'm wrong and Blue Mages keep eyes and ears of enemies and use them up to use skills in some kind of spell-reagent fashion. Somehow, I don't think they do. At least, I cannot see them doing so in FFXIV.

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I was being facetious. Using it in the loosest definition. Blue Magic is iconic to the series with recurring abilities, which a handful of them already exist in game. Here are a few examples:

Mighty Guard exists in game as the tank's LB2 limit break. (I forgot about this thank you Valkyrie_Lenneth)
Aero and Stone have traditionally been blue magic abilities, though they have been relegated to CNJ/WHM.
Shadow Flare was an enemy skill in FF7, now it's an ACN/SMN/SCH skill.
Flash was an enemy skill (Jive) in FF4: After years, and is now a GLD/PLD skill
Freeze was blue magic in Final Fantasy 9. (Which interestingly enough, was a CNJ ability at level 44 in 1.0, then was given to BLM which retains it to this day.)

So there you have it, "blue magic" that exists in the game currently.

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Originally Posted by Dorander

So there you have it, blue magic that exists in the game currently.

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They WERE until developers sought use for them otherwise. Recycled abilities mean nothing. (We play amid a franchise where recycling assets is among its lifeblood.) Aero, Stone, Freeze, and Flash exist in a game as not Blue Magic that had a Blue Mage in it. In some games they were, and in some they are not. Because some now exist in this game as other purposes holds no significant meaning other than those who made the game found use for abilities elsewhere.

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Originally Posted by frankenbeans

They don't count as Blue Magic refers to a specific set of abilities that have been fairly consistent through out the final fantasy series. It's not primal energy that summoners use or dragoon abilities. I believe you know this but are being intellectually dishonest by creating a false equivalency with fin fantasy's blue magic and just any old ability used by mobs or bosses.

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Cool, so you've actually just demolished your own Raubhan is a blue mage argument.

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Originally Posted by Lewtskie

They WERE until developers sought use for them otherwise. Recycled abilities mean nothing. (We play amid a franchise where recycling assets is among its lifeblood.) Aero, Stone, Freeze, and Flash exist in a game as not Blue Magic that had a Blue Mage in it. In some games they were, and in some they are not. Because some now exist in this game as other purposes holds no significant meaning other than those who made the game found use for abilities elsewhere.

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That was my point, but thank you for spelling it out as well as you did. If someone wants to be a Blue Mage, all they have to do is RP it, since a few 'traditional' blue magic skill names exist in game, usable by current jobs.

I love this just keeps going on and on and on....
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Originally Posted by Dorander

I was being facetious. Using it in the loosest definition. Blue Magic is iconic to the series with recurring abilities, which a handful of them already exist in game. Here are a few examples:

Mighty Guard exists in game as the tank's LB2 limit break. (I forgot about this thank you Valkyrie_Lenneth)
Aero and Stone have traditionally been blue magic abilities, though they have been relegated to CNJ/WHM.
Shadow Flare was an enemy skill in FF7, now it's an ACN/SMN/SCH skill.
Flash was an enemy skill (Jive) in FF4: After years, and is now a GLD/PLD skill
Freeze was blue magic in Final Fantasy 9. (Which interestingly enough, was a CNJ ability at level 44 in 1.0, then was given to BLM which retains it to this day.)

So there you have it, "blue magic" that exists in the game currently.

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White Wind is also one of the Healer LB's.

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Originally Posted by Valkyrie_Lenneth

White Wind is also one of the Healer LB's.

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That is Healing Wind. Unless it is named differently in JP. White Wind is a move used by Enkidu to heal Greg in Battle of the Big Keep though.

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That was my point, but thank you for spelling it out as well as you did. If someone wants to be a Blue Mage, all they have to do is RP it, since a few 'traditional' blue magic skill names exist in game, usable by current jobs.

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You really will take anything out of context to build your strawmen. A ridiculous statement by you that no one should read and think to take you seriously anymore. Almost as ridiculous as the persistence in trying to qualify how well and job is known and loved by how many games it existed in, in essence or in actuality. Also means you have nothing constructive to contribute anymore. Good.

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That is Healing Wind. Unless it is named differently in JP. White Wind is a move used by Enkidu to heal Greg in Battle of the Big Keep though.

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Ah, right, it was healing wind. whoops.

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Originally Posted by Valkyrie_Lenneth

Ah, right, it was healing wind. whoops.

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I don't think SE needs to implement every recurring blue magic for Blue Mage to be legitimized though. Every game that has had a Blue Mage has had game specific blue magic make up the majority of their spell repertoire. Of the most common recurring ones; Mighty Guard is a limit break, White Wind is a move of Enkidu and Frog Song is a move of Greg. Magic Hammer and Angel Whisper aren't in this game as far as I know, the rest that I've looked up are all enemy abilities. Any blue magic SE would implement would largely consist of game specific blue magic spells.

Edit: Ah Aero. Now there is a CONJ/WHM ability.

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I don't think SE needs to implement every recurring blue magic for Blue Mage to be legitimized though. Every game that has had a Blue Mage has had game specific blue magic make up the majority of their spell repertoire. Of the most common recurring ones; Mighty Guard is a limit break, White Wind is a move of Enkidu and Frog Song is a move of Greg. Magic Hammer and Angel Whisper aren't in this game as far as I know. Any blue magic SE would implement would largely consist of game specific blue magic spells.

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Magic Hammer is used atleast once by the last mob of Gubal Library I believe.

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To be fair, your argument about Dragoons and Summoners did impress me and take me a few minutes to pick apart, as one can't argue they draw from the power of those foes they face. However, Dragoons and Summoners have existed simultaneously with Blue Mages before as well. I don't think overlap has been a concern in that regard.

As for the Raubhan being a Blue Mage idea, I have to admit, when you think on it, it does make some sense. Look at Ilberd for example. A lot of his moves are stylized after a Griffon. There was another one involving Lions as well. I think its feasible for Blue Mage to have roots in Ala Mhigo. Whether or not Raubhan and Ilberd -are- Blue Mages is a whole different debate, but I think there is some ground for it.

Or Ilberd's moves were named for his identity and not because he learned them watching an actual Griffon. I give it 50/50 odds.

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Exactly SDaemon, though as the recent Interview with Yoshi-p went on to say.. he isn't sure how it (Blue Mage) would even work in the current state of the game. He said at best we'd get some kind of minigame for collecting monsters or abilities in a solo-play style situation. Which, I doubt will be coming in with 4.0, especially with what we know so far and how far along they are in development (practically done, and probably working on 4.2 as we speak). It may come in later with 5.0 at the earliest.

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The last interview I recall him talking about BLU was half a year or more ago. Is there a more recent one he talks about it by chance? I'd have no qualms with a solo-esque approach to acquiring blue magic spells. I just don't think people should focus on all the recurring spells BLU tends to have, and where they exist in XIV, as they always tend to have a large repertoire of game specific spells anyway.

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The last interview I recall him talking about BLU was half a year or more ago. Is there a more recent one he talks about it by chance? I'd have no qualms with a solo-esque approach to acquiring blue magic spells. I just don't think people should focus on all the recurring spells BLU tends to have, and where they exist in XIV, as they always tend to have a large repertoire of game specific spells anyway.

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Here's a tiny reddit thread: https://www.reddit.com/r/ffxiv/comme...and_blue_mage/

I'm still looking for the article or video they are referencing. I'll edit and link as soon as I find it.

Found the old one, it was in the live letter posted in 2014, this is what he said:

I think that blue mage is an interesting job because you can learn spells from enemies, but honestly I don't think that it really fits MMORPG party settings. If anything, I think it would work solo and it would be really fun to implement it as a job where you go around and learn abilities from every monster, so I'd definitely like to try and do this, but I'm concerned when it comes to playing in a party players would put up barriers if you haven't learned certain abilities. Additionally, in the event you are able to use abilities forever once you learn them, the difficulty of learning abilities would be high, and we wouldn't be able to balance the system so it wouldn't revolve around procuring your abilities instead of equipment. This wouldn't be practical enough to fit in an MMORPG party setting and conversely if you are swapping in only certain abilities you've learned, the true image of a blue mage would diminish, so this is something that I am concerned with.

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Here's a tiny reddit thread: https://www.reddit.com/r/ffxiv/comme...and_blue_mage/

I'm still looking for the article or video they are referencing. I'll edit and link as soon as I find it.

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I mean this kindly I do, but that thread really has no substance at all....

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I mean this kindly I do, but that thread really has no substance at all....

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Sorry about that, edited for a bit more info. Still looking for a more recent interview about it.

Seems more that Yoshi is pointing out the flaws in a traditional Blue Mage playstyle with an MMO setting, rather than stating it'll never be on the slate for FFXIV. Like RDM, it could be they decided that its more important to honor the aesthetic of the class over the substance.

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I mean this kindly I do, but that thread really has no substance at all....

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Just watch the JP fanfest 2016 live stream segment of Naoki Yoshida's room, its there. Watched it myself live and he did indeed say all the stuff about BLU not coming for a while and how it would have the Profession of Monster book or some junk.

It is mentioned and shown in the reddit JP mega thread for that day also.