Zepla: Endwalker is the Worst FFXIV Expansion I have played

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Originally Posted by Absurdity

Or maybe it has something to do with the actual content of your criticism.
Thankfully I don't have the memory of a goldfish so here are some gems (slightly paraphrased):

• Shiva Unreal is a failure, I can't beat the enrage in PF so the content is bad
• Savage is badly designed, making me play properly to beat the enrage is fake difficulty
• Boss mechanics that can actually kill me are bad design
• I can't find practice groups for savage and it's the game's fault...no I'm not going to make a practice party myself
• The Masked Carnivale is Some of the Worst Content in FFXIV

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Makes sense why their lodestone indicates a certain 3rd party website is hidden

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Originally Posted by Absurdity

Or maybe it has something to do with the actual content of your criticism.
Thankfully I don't have the memory of a goldfish so here are some gems (slightly paraphrased):

• Shiva Unreal is a failure, I can't beat the enrage in PF so the content is bad
• Savage is badly designed, making me play properly to beat the enrage is fake difficulty
• Boss mechanics that can actually kill me are bad design
• I can't find practice groups for savage and it's the game's fault...no I'm not going to make a practice party myself
• The Masked Carnivale is Some of the Worst Content in FFXIV

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Lmao love the call out on all of these, I remember some of these complaints, they gave me a good laugh tbh, it's all down to skill issue, but they'd rather make a thread and complain about it instead of improving

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Originally Posted by Ivtrix

Makes sense why their lodestone indicates a certain 3rd party website is hidden

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I honestly couldn't care less what colour their number on the site-that-shall-not-be-named is. There are some genuine criticisms to be made about that content, "I can't beat the fights therefore they're bad" just isn't one of them.

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Originally Posted by Supersnow845

Taking the first half...

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/sigh

I'm tired of participating in a derail, but the short version is what I said before: When people tell you your interpretation of what they said is wrong, listen to them.

As to the three points, btw; they never said (2) and (3) is irrelevant since everyone gets a say in the game AND not every veteran agrees with you - I've been playing since 2014 and am a vet by any definition of the term in use here. Granted, I don't totally disagree (as I voiced and quoted myself saying a number of times now), people just like to ignore that part.

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Originally Posted by Atelier-Bagur

Except her whining is actually most our whining and complaints about the game, so what does that exactly say abouy us and the current state of the game?

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"Most of you" is not "Most of us". People - on both sides, mind - overstate who they're speaking for.

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Originally Posted by Zairava

Be antagonistic somewhere else

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This could be said to almost everyone who has posted in this thread...

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Originally Posted by Atelier-Bagur

Also I never expressed that the EW patches were perfect. I have defended a lot of the content but I always said that they couldve done its implementation better.

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Yeah, I think that's honestly the most fair take.

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Originally Posted by CStrife912

Weirdly enough I just saw an asmongold clip that was posted a few hours ago that's applicable here....people who don't play the game a lot are out of touch and people who play it all the time are out of touch...and people whos make it their job to play the game you will never understand the average player...i find that to be pretty on point in this instance.

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Yeah, the problem is, this IS very true...which makes it hard to really have any kind of constructive conversation. When everyone's looking for ways to discount other people's viewpoints, it leads to no compromises or resolutions. And the real silly thing about it is, this game is big enough for everyone. It can have all kinds of content to appeal to all kinds of players simultaneously without really stepping on anyone's toes. It's only people insisting all-or-nothing has to be for them and discounting anyone disagreeing them with <insert varied insults> that it becomes problematic. It doesn't help people seem more prone to insult than not.

Like I think EW has been lacking and have said plenty in this thread (and others) what I think it's been lacking on. But because I don't like people just saying "FFXIV is garbage" or attacking players, somehow, I'm a "white knight" "shill" who "worship's Yoshi P". Like...do middle grounds/shades of gray not exist in people's world?

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Originally Posted by Absurdity

Or maybe it has something to do with the actual content of your criticism.
Thankfully I don't have the memory of a goldfish so here are some gems (slightly paraphrased):

• Shiva Unreal is a failure, I can't beat the enrage in PF so the content is bad
• Savage is badly designed, making me play properly to beat the enrage is fake difficulty
• Boss mechanics that can actually kill me are bad design
• I can't find practice groups for savage and it's the game's fault...no I'm not going to make a practice party myself
• The Masked Carnivale is Some of the Worst Content in FFXIV

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this to me just sums up the response

https://media.tenor.com/hEZuJWEAvKAA...-issue-osu.gif

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Originally Posted by Renathras

As to the three points, btw; they never said (2)

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Originally Posted by VerdeLuck

having the new side content no require you to spend hours a day grinding to cap this or grind out completions of this fate over and over is a net positive.

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Do you even read the original posts of the people in situations like this or do you just see “big angry forum mob disagrees with someone I must white knight them no matter the cost” or are you now going to tell me them saying it’s “not good” does not mean it’s “bad” because they said “not good” instead of “bad”

As for the main point, you still haven’t offered a single viable way what that OP said could be interpreted any way besides the way I said; we are back to the “acshooly I never said the sky wasn’t blue I said the sky was green” and then acting like that is a valid response to someone calling you out for saying the sky is green

And as I have pointed out before the OP didn’t even refute my interpretation, they said I quoted them wrong

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Originally Posted by Absurdity

Or maybe it has something to do with the actual content of your criticism.
Thankfully I don't have the memory of a goldfish so here are some gems (slightly paraphrased):

• Shiva Unreal is a failure, I can't beat the enrage in PF so the content is bad
• Savage is badly designed, making me play properly to beat the enrage is fake difficulty
• Boss mechanics that can actually kill me are bad design
• I can't find practice groups for savage and it's the game's fault...no I'm not going to make a practice party myself
• The Masked Carnivale is Some of the Worst Content in FFXIV

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Just going to post this again.

https://i.imgur.com/1gnS4KV.png

Look, I know I said earlier that "polarization is bad" and all that, but there's something to be said about being REALLY hostile in EVERY post you make, and then being upset that people are really not a fan of you. It's not being a victim of bullying, it's a critical lack of self-awareness, self-reflection, and just not giving off excess amounts of edgy contrarian teenager energy.

People you hate, can in fact, have opinions that you agree with, that's okay. You don't have to wholeheartedly hate and generalize people who you have never met because they do things you cannot, it's a bit weird, honestly.

No one cares about logs in this context, I'm not recruiting them for content. I'd rather deal with a pleasant individual with "skill issues" and a willingness to learn, and accept faults, than a human machine with an antagonistic personality and ego who can't do anything but dish out cool one-liners that prove just how "above" they are of all the rabble.

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Originally Posted by Supersnow845

Do you even read the original posts of the people...

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Show me the words "grinding is in general bad" in that post.

As I say, I think an issue we have - because you do this to me, too - is you read into posts things people didn't explicitly say. Then, when people tell you "I didn't say/mean that", you insist they must have and refuse to let it go.

...but you REALLY need to stop lying. "you still haven't offered a single viable way..." I GAVE YOU THREE:

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Originally Posted by Renathras

"But that's the ONLY way to interpre-" no, it's not. There are literally THREE other ways to interpret that outright; grinding is bad, grinding is neutral, grinding is good but not as good.

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You saying you disagree with them is one thing. You insisting on disagreeing with them EVEN AFTER THE PERSON WHO MADE THE POST told you they didn't mean that is a big problem. But you outright lying makes conversation next to impossible, no matter how many people upvote your post.

Those are all completely viable interpretations. Also, it's a stealth goalpost move to go from "only interpretation" to "only viable interpretation", with "viable" not being defined so you can use it to mean whatever you want. I contend all the interpretations I presented are viable and fit within the context of the post. Especially since the OP themselves clarified they didn't mean what you original interpreted them to mean.

You not wanting there to be other viable interpretations doesn't mean there aren't other viable interpretations. Again, when someone tells you you're wrong about how you read their post, you REALLY need to listen to them instead of insisting THEY meant something they've said they didn't mean.

But, as I've said, I DON'T want to contribute to more derailing of the thread. You can learn this - and should - or not, but it's not for me to teach you, clearly, as you refuse to even listen. But you really shouldn't outright lie.

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So let's talk about the actual topic instead of each other and other posters.

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Originally Posted by Renathras

Show me the words "grinding is in general bad" in that post.

As I say, I think an issue we have - because you do this to me, too - is you read into posts things people didn't explicitly say. Then, when people tell you "I didn't say/mean that", you insist they must have and refuse to let it go.

...but you REALLY need to stop lying. "you still haven't offered a single viable way..." I GAVE YOU THREE:



You saying you disagree with them is one thing. You insisting on disagreeing with them EVEN AFTER THE PERSON WHO MADE THE POST told you they didn't mean that is a big problem. But you outright lying makes conversation next to impossible, no matter how many people upvote your post.

Those are all completely viable interpretations. Also, it's a stealth goalpost move to go from "only interpretation" to "only viable interpretation", with "viable" not being defined so you can use it to mean whatever you want. I contend all the interpretations I presented are viable and fit within the context of the post. Especially since the OP themselves clarified they didn't mean what you original interpreted them to mean.

You not wanting there to be other viable interpretations doesn't mean there aren't other viable interpretations. Again, when someone tells you you're wrong about how you read their post, you REALLY need to listen to them instead of insisting THEY meant something they've said they didn't mean.

But, as I've said, I DON'T want to contribute to more derailing of the thread. You can learn this - and should - or not, but it's not for me to teach you, clearly, as you refuse to even listen. But you really shouldn't outright lie.

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So let's talk about the actual topic instead of each other and other posters.

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"I derailed this thread all along, but now that I need to show evidence of my claims, I dont want it to derail it anymore"

never fail Renathras.

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Originally Posted by Renathras

Show me the words "grinding is in general bad" in that post.

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Originally Posted by VerdeLuck

having the new side content no require you to spend hours a day grinding to cap this or grind out completions of this fate over and over is a net positive.

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Maybe a second read through will help considering you seem totally incapable of reading anything remotely resembling context, but if you need a bit of a helpful hint

“Having new side content not have grindy elements is a net positive” does not mean it is neutral or good, it means that not having it is good

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Originally Posted by Supersnow845

Maybe a second read through will help considering you seem totally incapable of reading anything remotely resembling context, but if you need a bit of a helpful hint

“Having new side content not have grindy elements is a net positive” does not mean it is neutral or good, it means that not having it is good

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I feel like I'm going mad lmaoooooo

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Originally Posted by Supersnow845

Maybe a second read through will help considering you seem totally incapable of reading anything remotely resembling context, but if you need a bit of a helpful hint

“Having new side content not have grindy elements is a net positive” does not mean it is neutral or good, it means that not having it is good

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There really are times I wonder if he's not trolling

Deep inside I really wish that he's just trolling tbh, because jesus christ xd

I think, if you only started playing up to or after Endwalker launch, you might not be the target audience for the video or this topic discussion. The game is good. Great, in fact, there are thousands and thousands of hours of content to keep you occupied.

I'm pretty sure Zepla's video is expressing the thoughts and opinions specifically of someone who's been playing the game for several years. When you've done all the older content, you want to keep occupied with the new stuff; and unfortunately, Endwalker just doesn't deliver as well as previous expansions. It's not bad, it's just not good either.

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Originally Posted by Supersnow845

Maybe a second read through...

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No, Snow. I'm not going to help you derail this thread anymore.

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NOTE, for the record: I CAN offer an argument and explain, but you don't care and won't accept it, and it's just more derailing. If you guys want to derail the thread, YOU get to do it and YOU get the blowback for doing it. I'm tired of being party to that inanity AND getting the blame for it.

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Originally Posted by AlexiaD

"I derailed this thread all along, but now that I need to show evidence of my claims, I dont want it to derail it anymore"

never fail Renathras.

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No, Alexia/Twinpeaks, I'm not going to help you derail this thread anymore, either.

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Originally Posted by Rolder50

He says while continuing to derail the thread more lmao

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No, Rolder50, I'm not going to help YOU derail this thread anymore, EITHER.

Seriously, no part of this post of yours was NOT a derail. You didn't address the thread topic, you didn't address a discussion topic, all you did was address me, one of the posters, trying to continue the side-topic/derail about whether or not Snow is incorrectly interpreting things.

If you guys want to have that conversation - that DERAIL - you'll have to do it yourselves.

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Originally Posted by AlexiaD

Honestly its pretty hilarious at this point, it's like a whole movie

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NO, Alexia, I WON'T help you continue to derail the thread.

Protip: When you're having a conversation with yourselves about someone else derailing the thread - YOU ARE DERAILING THE THREAD.

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Originally Posted by Wilford111

I think, if you only started playing up to or after Endwalker launch, you might not be the target audience for the video or this topic discussion. The game is good. Great, in fact, there are thousands and thousands of hours of content to keep you occupied.

I'm pretty sure Zepla's video is expressing the thoughts and opinions specifically of someone who's been playing the game for several years. When you've done all the older content, you want to keep occupied with the new stuff; and unfortunately, Endwalker just doesn't deliver as well as previous expansions. It's not bad, it's just not good either.

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This is correct.

Zepla even said this in her second video reading the comments. There were lots of comments from new players saying this, and she basically said (paraphrase): That's good and I'm genuinely super happy for you. FFXIV is a great game, I absolutely encourage people to play it. I just wish it had more at the top end.

I think part of the problem was her naming the video "worst expansion" and her tone in the first video really, unfortunately, muddying the waters from her point. Her second video kind of redeems a lot of it, but people who want everyone to hate on the game kind of missed that.

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Originally Posted by Renathras

No, Snow. I'm not going to help you derail this thread anymore.

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NOTE, for the record: I CAN offer an argument and explain, but you don't care and won't accept it, and it's just more derailing. If you guys want to derail the thread, YOU get to do it and YOU get the blowback for doing it. I'm tired of being party to that inanity AND getting the blame for it.

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He says while continuing to derail the thread more lmao

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Originally Posted by Rolder50

He says while continuing to derail the thread more lmao

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Honestly its pretty hilarious at this point, it's like a whole movie

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Originally Posted by Wilford111

I think, if you only started playing up to or after Endwalker launch, you might not be the target audience for the video or this topic discussion. The game is good. Great, in fact, there are thousands and thousands of hours of content to keep you occupied.

I'm pretty sure Zepla's video is expressing the thoughts and opinions specifically of someone who's been playing the game for several years. When you've done all the older content, you want to keep occupied with the new stuff; and unfortunately, Endwalker just doesn't deliver as well as previous expansions. It's not bad, it's just not good either.

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Possibly some truth in that. I started playing the game shortly after Endwalker's launch - in fact, I started right before the now (in)famous influx of WoW players occurred and was barely able to play at first as was on Free Trial status which, nine times out of ten, meant that I didn't even get to queue. I didn't manage to subscribe until they reopened the servers to doing so in the early months of the 2022.

So yeah, whilst I can see the points being made regarding Endwalker here, and think that it was a mixed-blessing myself, I guess I'm not at the 'burn out' point that longer-term players appear to have reached.

Game is still good. They are trying something different this expansion. That doesnt make the game necessarily bad. Just means the things they tried did not stick which in results causing a slight loss in player retention

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Originally Posted by Carin-Eri

Possibly some truth in that. I started playing the game shortly after Endwalker's launch - in fact, I started right before the now (in)famous influx of WoW players occurred and was barely able to play at first as was on Free Trial status which, nine times out of ten, meant that I didn't even get to queue. I didn't manage to subscribe until they reopened the servers to doing so in the early months of the 2022.

So yeah, whilst I can see the points being made regarding Endwalker here, and think that it was a mixed-blessing myself, I guess I'm not at the 'burn out' point that longer-term players appear to have reached.

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Yep, while you still have things to catch up on, the game is great. But once you are caught up and waiting for patches, it kinda sucks.

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Originally Posted by Renathras

I think part of the problem was her naming the video "worst expansion" and her tone in the first video really, unfortunately, muddying the waters from her point. Her second video kind of redeems a lot of it, but people who want everyone to hate on the game kind of missed that.

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But the name of her video isn't "Endwalker is the Worst FFXIV Expansion." It's "Endwalker is the Worst FFXIV Expansion I have played." Right from the beginning, she's very clear that her video is about her perspective and her opinion. And to my knowledge, the majority of her video is very 'criticism sandwich' where she points out the good and the bad. Using words like "worst expansion" should not muddy the water when its very transparent about being an opinion piece even from the title.

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Originally Posted by Wilford111

I think, if you only started playing up to or after Endwalker launch, you might not be the target audience for the video or this topic discussion. The game is good. Great, in fact, there are thousands and thousands of hours of content to keep you occupied.

I'm pretty sure Zepla's video is expressing the thoughts and opinions specifically of someone who's been playing the game for several years. When you've done all the older content, you want to keep occupied with the new stuff; and unfortunately, Endwalker just doesn't deliver as well as previous expansions. It's not bad, it's just not good either.

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The issue is you're not going to be new forever, and it is not uncommon for newer players to ask of more experienced ones where the game currently is sitting once you hit max level (partly to find out if it's worth investing the time), not to mention you may well be in a FC with them and notice they're not on as much as before.

At the moment their formula seems to be working for them but I don't think it can work indefinitely, especially now that a lot of the hype surrounding EW is gone and SHB is in the past. And with the long gap until DT and the time between patches, sprouts won't be sprouts forever. ;)

Basically I don't disagree with what you're saying but I believe forward-looking newer players might grow concerned as well.

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Originally Posted by ty_taurus

But the name of her video isn't "Endwalker is the Worst FFXIV Expansion." It's "Endwalker is the Worst FFXIV Expansion I have played." Right from the beginning, she's very clear that her video is about her perspective and her opinion. And to my knowledge, the majority of her video is very 'criticism sandwich' where she points out the good and the bad. Using words like "worst expansion" should not muddy the water when its very transparent about being an opinion piece even from the title.

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She could have used a title like "My Feelings about Endwalker" and avoided the drama altogether. The title used sets the impressions she's going to go on a rant about how terrible the game is and there are plenty of people out there who are going to use it as such regardless of what she says in the video.

Using a borderline clickbait title like that might get her more views but it also generates more misconceptions and controversy.

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Originally Posted by Lauront

The issue is you're not going to be new forever, and it is not uncommon for newer players to ask of more experienced ones where the game currently is sitting once you hit max level (partly to find out if it's worth investing the time), not to mention you may well be in a FC with them and notice they're not on as much as before. So I think forward-looking newer players might grow concerned as well.

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That's going to depend on what sort of gaming background the new player is coming from.

I'll chat with new players on occasion. Unless they're coming from a WoW or some sort of competitive game that is end game focused, they don't want to talk about end game. They want to talk what they've already experience and if there's something they might have missed that they should know about.

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Originally Posted by Jojoya

She could have used a title like "My Feelings about Endwalker" and avoided the drama altogether. The title used sets the impressions she's going to go on a rant about how terrible the game is and there are plenty of people out there who are going to use it as such regardless of what she says in the video.

Using a borderline clickbait title like that might get her more views but it also generates more misconceptions and controversy.

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Why does someone need to use gentle language to express their opinions though? If it's been the worst expansion she's experienced, why is it a crime for her to say that? It's also not a rant. With nearly every discussion point, she talks about the positives before talking about the negatives. That is literally the definition of appropriate and healthy criticism.

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Originally Posted by ty_taurus

Why does someone need to use gentle language to express their opinions though? If it's been the worst expansion she's experienced, why is it a crime for her to say that? It's also not a rant. With nearly every discussion point, she talks about the positives before talking about the negatives. That is literally the definition of appropriate and healthy criticism.

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The same people would have zero problems if EW was their best expansion ever

Should we go around telling people BG3 potentially being GOTY is “too harsh language” and it should be “my thoughts on BG3”

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Originally Posted by Jojoya

She could have used a title like "My Feelings about Endwalker" and avoided the drama altogether. The title used sets the impressions she's going to go on a rant about how terrible the game is and there are plenty of people out there who are going to use it as such regardless of what she says in the video.

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Why is the Final Fantasy XIV community so fragile and insecure? Why do we have to censor ourselves when sharing our opinions about a video game? Do you realize just how ridiculous this is?

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Originally Posted by caffe_macchiato

Why is the Final Fantasy XIV community so fragile and insecure? Why do we have to censor ourselves when sharing our opinions about a video game? Do you realize just how ridiculous this is?

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I think its society in general that's fragile and sensitive and take things way to personal even criticism over there favorite things. Everything has to get censored so people don't potentially feel attacked.

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Originally Posted by ty_taurus

Why does someone need to use gentle language to express their opinions though?

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Because it's an opinion they disagree with.

The goalposts will be moved infinitely no matter how criticism is worded here; Someone could be as gentle and positive as humanly possible, and they would just move the goal posts further and accuse the person of being patronizing or sarcastic.

They aren't genuinely concerned about the tone of the criticism; It's just a bad faith tactic to try undermine a message they don't agree with.

Correlation does not equate to causation.

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Originally Posted by Jojoya

She could have used a title like "My Feelings about Endwalker" and avoided the drama altogether. The title used sets the impressions she's going to go on a rant about how terrible the game is and there are plenty of people out there who are going to use it as such regardless of what she says in the video..

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Do you need a little headpat with that just so you can be comforted that the game is doing okay ?

I tend to dislike "influencers" "content creators" and whatever other names they are called for one reason or another, but I never imagined Zepla of all of them would bring up criticisms given her approach to the game.

Good to see someone with an audience that Yoshida has admitted to watching on occasion actually bring up constructive criticism and some of the long standing issues this game has. She's likely lost her place on the media tour but better in the long run if its acted upon.


also good on you folks, i gradually went through all 87 pages today waiting for a call from work. Reading certain people get, repeatedly, put in their place for whining and trolling and gaslighting was quite amusing. Its notable how the ones getting upvotes were the ones that had valid criticism, evidence and refuted bad faith arguments/entitled whinings while the people that need to get their heads out their arses were the ones without any
gives a man a tiny flicker of faith that not everyone is a white knight in general discussion.

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Originally Posted by ty_taurus

Why does someone need to use gentle language to express their opinions though? If it's been the worst expansion she's experienced, why is it a crime for her to say that? It's also not a rant. With nearly every discussion point, she talks about the positives before talking about the negatives. That is literally the definition of appropriate and healthy criticism.

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Fetch the Scold's Bridle!! This screeching harlot needs to watch her TONE!

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Originally Posted by Jojoya

She could have used a title like "My Feelings about Endwalker" and avoided the drama altogether. The title used sets the impressions she's going to go on a rant about how terrible the game is and there are plenty of people out there who are going to use it as such regardless of what she says in the video.

Using a borderline clickbait title like that might get her more views but it also generates more misconceptions and controversy.

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Very much this.

The people who are part of the resident group that consistently badmouth the game certainly took that to mean she was saying it was the worst expansion ever AND WAS BAD, not that it was "good, but not as good as some others".

So clearly the OP and the people posting from that perspective seem to have taken it that way. Why should people opposed to that position have taken it differently?


That's going to depend on what sort of gaming background the new player is coming from.

I'll chat with new players on occasion. Unless they're coming from a WoW or some sort of competitive game that is end game focused, they don't want to talk about end game. They want to talk what they've already experience and if there's something they might have missed that they should know about.[/QUOTE]

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Originally Posted by ty_taurus

Why does someone need to use gentle language to express their opinions though? If it's been the worst expansion she's experienced, why is it a crime for her to say that? It's also not a rant. With nearly every discussion point, she talks about the positives before talking about the negatives. That is literally the definition of appropriate and healthy criticism.

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In fairness, she did rant a little bit, but not excessively so. Personally, I probably wouldn't have been able to contain myself even half as well as she did. She was definitely holding back just a little to keep it relatively civil. As someone who is also frustrated with the current state of the game, I completely understand.

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Originally Posted by Jojoya

That's going to depend on what sort of gaming background the new player is coming from.

I'll chat with new players on occasion. Unless they're coming from a WoW or some sort of competitive game that is end game focused, they don't want to talk about end game. They want to talk what they've already experience and if there's something they might have missed that they should know about.

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This isn't even about being endgame focused. If you have played this game for 6+ years with any regularity you have most likely already exhausted the backlog of old content you actually want to do.
Sure, when you've just started you have a lot of content to do because duh, the game had 10 years of content updates.

But everyone eventually becomes an "endgame player" because they will have done everything else already.
When one of those new players then asks me what they have to look forward to when they've done the old content that interests them and I have to tell them "well, pretty much the same stuff you've already been doing, but just less of it." that's not exactly motivating.

I mean, right now it works. All of us unsatisfied veterans could quit tomorrow and we would just be replaced by sprouts who still have 10 years worth of content to do. But this will eventually reach a point of total saturation, a point where every potential new player has already tried the game, and what then?

Not to mention that the experience of playing old content becomes worse the older it gets due to all the job and system changes. I can't even bring myself to do synced content below 70 anymore because the gameplay experience is just lackluster. You just end up pressing your 5 buttons randomly because the new stuff gets tacked on close to level cap and your main job mechanic often doesn't even exist at lower levels anymore.

Something I don't seem to see anyone bring up is back in Heavensward, she was the same new player as the ones that are joining now. The reason why Heavensward isn't the worst for content was for her is she joined during Heavensward, not before.

Similarly, because there is no long-lasting content is Endwalker due to incredibly lack-luster rewards, nobody wants to do them. This is doubled by the relic grind being near non-existent.

She absolutely does not have to tone done her opinion because people refuse to see the bigger point she is making. It doesn't matter if she put it politely enough as if she was coddling a child, people would still find reasons to be upset toward her for one reason or another.

If this was Heavensward instead of Endwalker, y'all would probably be here complaining that there isn't anybody running current content. You will always see the massive backlog of content new players have before they catch up used as a crutch. No shit they're still here and enjoying the game, they're just now going through it.

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Originally Posted by Absurdity

This isn't even about being endgame focused. If you have played this game for 6+ years with any regularity you have most likely already exhausted the backlog of old content you actually want to do.
Sure, when you've just started you have a lot of content to do because duh, the game had 10 years of content updates.

But everyone eventually becomes an "endgame player" because they will have done everything else already.
When one of those new players then asks me what they have to look forward to when they've done the old content that interests them and I have to tell them "well, pretty much the same stuff you've already been doing, but just less of it." that's not exactly motivating.

I mean, right now it works. All of us unsatisfied veterans could quit tomorrow and we would just be replaced by sprouts who still have 10 years worth of content to do. But this will eventually reach a point of total saturation, a point where every potential new player has already tried the game, and what then?

Not to mention that the experience of playing old content becomes worse the older it gets due to all the job and system changes. I can't even bring myself to do synced content below 70 anymore because the gameplay experience is just lackluster. You just end up pressing your 5 buttons randomly because the new stuff gets tacked on close to level cap and your main job mechanic often doesn't even exist at lower levels anymore.

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Exactly. It's not just about endgame as in raiding but what is there for me to do in general as a player once I'm at max level? And I think it's rather myopic to think that players don't ask such questions ahead of time to see if the game is worth pouring their effort and sub money into. Not all do, obviously, but being the type of game it is, it's part of researching how the product shapes up by the point you get past the levelling experience.

If you ever want to find bullies and people with questionable attitudes, just say something negative about FF14. As evidenced by the 88 pages in this thread.

We aren’t catching up. It’s not a race.

This is so funny, people really proved zeplas point, that if anyone dares to complain anything about the game they are called idiots or simps or whatever, i'm laughing so hard when people who say are not part of the problem are literally being part of the problem in the very same comment lmao

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Originally Posted by ty_taurus

Why does someone need to use gentle language to express their opinions though? If it's been the worst expansion she's experienced, why is it a crime for her to say that?

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How the GCBTW see it as a threat when she expresses her body language about the game:

https://media.tenor.com/3V-blTZiIXAA...ing-attack.gif