Regional Servers: Can we be a bit more specific please?

Some people have reported pings of <100ms (generally considered ideal for most types of games) from the UK to the montreal location. the same people had pings of 300ms or more to Japan. So it's still a huge improvement in terms of network performance for people in Europe.

Since you don't want to create NA and JP versions of each server, why not give each server a 'pairing.'

For instance Durandal(JP) and Ragnarok(NA) could be 'paired' servers. If NA players from Durandal want to be on a NA server, then people from Durandal all can transfer -only- to Ragnarok. If JP players from Ragnarok want to transfer to a JP server, they can transfer -only- to Durandal. In this way, everyone stays with their friends and they don't have to try to get everyone together.

i tested ping to montreal and i had 202ms, funny durandal in v1.0 test was 187ms...
i know its like no difference betwen two number but guess i'll wait for beta and check keke if i managed to get the server ip

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Originally Posted by Gildarts

i tested ping to montreal and i had 202ms, funny durandal in v1.0 test was 187ms...
i know its like no difference betwen two number but guess i'll wait for beta and check keke if i managed to get the server ip

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WHAT UP YO :P

Me being from the EU, I expected an EU datacenter but reading those news, in the end it doesn't really grind my gears. I played a few other games which were located in the US and I never had the feeling that I was having huge ping issues, except when I entered pretty crowded places (mostly cities).
Actually I hope some NA people will find their way over to Sargatanas or Ragnarok (depends on my LS) so we still have a nice mix of nationalities ^^

P.S: In 1.0 I thought it was hard to team up with JP people but that was mostly caused by the timezone and the language was only the second reason for that. I remember doing the pilgrimage quest with JP peeps and it was cool, but since I didn't understand what they were writing I had the feeling they were making fun of me xD" Maybe I was just paranoid because of all the funny emotes but in the end they helped me a lot! ^^

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Originally Posted by HiirNoivl

NA wanted this too....

And it's not like we played with JPs a whole lot. It was segregated. This whole "international community" is a myth. Unless your idea of "international community" is text you can't read scrolling up on your screen, because it rarely ever went beyond that.

And people say "I play with JPs and they play with me?" Yeah but few if any people from NA/EU could honestly say that they knew who they were or were friends. They played with you because they didn't have a contents finder that could help them distinguish who did/didn't have a JP client.

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No, not all NA wanted this.

Some of the best people I had in my endgame shell were JP. We had a great time together. It's unfortunate that this will not be ideal anymore in ARR.

It's easy to sit here and say you are happy about the decision but it's just as easy to ignore the in-game chat if you're not interested in playing with JPs.

These are the addresses some people are using for ping testing in the Beta forums.

square-enix.montreal.com / 184.107.107.176
eu.square-enix.com / 209.130.141.243
jp.square-enix.com / 202.67.53.202


So far all of the European players are getting in the mid 100s for montreal and mid 200s for japan. I have not seen anyone on the Oceanic area post any results.

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Originally Posted by FedeMax

These are the addresses some people are using for ping testing in the Beta forums.

square-enix.montreal.com / 184.107.107.167
eu.square-enix.com / 209.130.141.243
jp.square-enix.com / 202.67.53.202


So far all of the European players are getting in the mid 100s for montreal and mid 200s for japan. I have not seen anyone on the Oceanic area post any results.

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Odd, the Montreal IP you listed is just timing out for me. I'm in Idaho.

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Originally Posted by Yuber

WHAT UP YO :P

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yooooooo yuber! :)

and thats a nice sig you got there lol :D

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Originally Posted by Duuude007

Odd, the Montreal IP you listed is just timing out for me. I'm in Idaho.

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Sorry about that I made a mistake on a number. Ip address is 184.107.107.176

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Originally Posted by FedeMax

Sorry about that I made a mistake on a number. Ip address is 184.107.107.176

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And with that I'm averaging 90 ms. excellent.

there seems to be more commands then just tracert and ping for doing these latency tests. I'm trying out pathping right now and there is also one called mtr


pathping takes a while to finish cause it computes statistics

Can you guys tell me how to take those IP addresses and test my ping?

I got 67 ping by just selecting a random Montreal IP off of Speedtest.net.

Btw, I'm in Florida.

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Originally Posted by JillyBean

Can you guys tell me how to take those IP addresses and test my ping?

I got 67 ping by just selecting a random Montreal IP off of Speedtest.net.

Btw, I'm in Florida.

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Start -> All Programs - > Accessories -> Command Prompt

In the window that comes up type

ping 184.107.107.176

then hit enter

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Originally Posted by Dominar

Start -> All Programs - > Accessories -> Command Prompt

In the window that comes up type

ping 184.107.107.176

then hit enter

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Thank you very much!

No packet loss. Roundtrip ping 66.

(207 to Japan IP)
(127 to EU IP)

Oh snap Yoshi-P confirming that lag was an issue on Ifrit, now all of those who acted like it wasn't have pie on their face

18-23 ms from New York to Moontreal
190 ms to JPN

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Originally Posted by Ricky

Oh snap Yoshi-P confirming that lag was an issue on Ifrit, now all of those who acted like it wasn't have pie on their face

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Seriously, someone said that it wasn't?

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Originally Posted by Bayohne

In phase 3 of the Beta Test, you'll be able to choose your World freely, so please try out servers located in both the Japan data center and the North America/Europe data center. This way, you'll be able to see which fits your needs the best and ensure a great gaming experience.

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Bayohne, you say this and Yoshida says this:

"Also, when making a new character, players will be free to play in either region. This will allow the opportunity to test connection speeds, and judge which region will allow for a more comfortable gaming experience."

So to be specific, can only NEW characters can be made on different LEGACY worlds for testing or can our existing characters move freely in Beta Phase 3 to test content latency?

I have mixed feelings about the regional servers.

I am happy because... My ping to JP servers in 1.0 was about 200 ms. My ping to the Montreal server is about 20 ms. That's so, so, so much less. On top of the 200 ms latency, I would also get pretty frequent lag spikes during peak hours due to server instability and my ISP being horrible. Beating Ifrit Extreme was, quite literally a nightmare. Knowing the NA/EU servers will equalize the latency a bit makes me happy.

I am sad because... I remember playing with JP players in both XI and FFXIV 1.0. I enjoyed it because it really gave you a sense of global community. In that same vein, my linkshell is made up of players from all around the globe. We have equal parts NA, EU, and JP time zone players. The split of regional servers is making it difficult for us, because even if we want to stay together, our other ties (friends) are pulling us apart. The JP players want to stay with their friends who will be staying on a JP server. The NA/EU players want to stay with their friends who will be going to an NA/EU server. This will necessarily split us, or force some of us to deal with the two largest disadvantages that going to a regional server which is not 'your own' will put you at...

First, the most obvious... latency. If SE assumes that people are picking servers with less latency, they will continue to release content similar to Ifrit Extreme which may be next to impossible to beat if you have horrible latency (like I sometimes would). I know in EU it could reach up to 300 ms, with eruptions popping and hitting you before you would even see them appear on your screen. A player who chooses to go to a server which is far away (A JP player going to NA/EU server or NA/EU player going to JP server) will be subjecting him or herself to the lag we fought so hard against in 1.0.

Second, the more subtle... communication. As an NA player who does not speak Japanese, joining a Japanese server will undoubtedly make me the minority. Some JP players are nice and inclusive while others prefer to play with just Japanese players. If I follow my linkshell, I am choosing to put myself into this situation, and subjecting myself to the lack of communication. The same is true for people who join an NA/EU server and cannot speak any of the NA/EU languages. It creates a rift.

I have told my linkshell that I care very much about them, but I do not think I can deal with staying on a JP server because of these two reasons. Some are understanding, and some are not. I know many members who will be going to JP or NA/EU servers no matter what the LS decides. It is causing a rift and I'm sure it is creating similar issues with other international linkshells.

But... this is what happens when they create challenging fights with a demand for lower latency. There's really no way around it.

I live in Perth, Western Australia.
156ms to 202.67.53.202 / jp.square-enix.com
322ms to 184.107.107.176 / square-enix.montreal.com
380ms to 209.130.141.243 / eu.square-enix.com

So they really ought to give Oceania/SEA two of the JP servers (Masamune/Tonberry are the unofficial ones people are claiming)

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Originally Posted by Krystal

18-23 ms from New York to Moontreal
190 ms to JPN

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From Australia

ping 184.107.107.176 (montreal)
average = 305ms

ping 202.67.53.202 (japan)
average = 210ms

No choice but to stay on a Japanese server with such results I believe.

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I am sad because... I remember playing with JP players in both XI and FFXIV 1.0.

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You can still do this. You will still find (some) english speaking players on the JP servers because 1) the legacy servers will still have their NA communities in large part (people who had no issue with how thigns were before aren't likely to move), along with the american nationals living in Japan, as well as people from places like Australia who actually ping better on the JP servers.

Having two data centers doesn't have to be and isn't the end of the multinational community.

Here's my similar response http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...=1#post1000541

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Originally Posted by Ryuko

I have mixed feelings about the regional servers.


Knowing the NA/EU servers will equalize the latency a bit makes me happy.

I am sad because... I remember playing with JP players in both XI and FFXIV 1.0. I enjoyed it because it really gave you a sense of global community. In that same vein, my linkshell is made up of players from all around the globe. We have equal parts NA, EU, and JP time zone players. The split of regional servers is making it difficult for us, because even if we want to stay together, our other ties (friends) are pulling us apart. The JP players want to stay with their friends who will be staying on a JP server. The NA/EU players want to stay with their friends who will be going to an NA/EU server. This will necessarily split us, or force some of us to deal with the two largest disadvantages that going to a regional server which is not 'your own' will put you at...

First, the most obvious... latency.

But... this is what happens when they create challenging fights with a demand for lower latency. There's really no way around it.

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It's not intentionally they didn't have good enough servers to process all these people connecting from such distance in a way that they wouldn't be effected by high ping


If SE first made these servers in various location like now in the first place. Would you had join a Japanese sever any way? No cause you like your 20ms ping. You're leaving just like most because of better pings. People hate lag. SE forced us to be on Jp servers and now we have free will:a choice. People are are choosing lower pings over jp servers because that's what they really want . Diversity was an illusion fabricated by SE cause they didn't want to deal with Global servers maintenance.

Wanna know something People don't have to change severs. regardless of where the servers are at the only thing that will change will be the ping. You can still venture with your friends the same way at anytime. Battles outside of instances/boss battles are not heavy in processing on server side. Crafting and fielding can still be done with ease as well .And here's the big cookie, you can still play with your friends using cross server. OMG. SO I can have lower ping and still play with people around the world!!! Amazing That's like milk and oatmeal cookies~ while watching Walking dead~ freakin awesome. Now I'm not sure butttt If SE allows Cross server linkshells then that would be like watching Walking Dead in 3D < < After all Grand companies will have housing which will be an instance...


But I feel ya pain, Stay strong~

I think cross server linkshells or anything like that would be super hard to implement if they didn't plan for it already. It may happen in the future, and it's nice to dream about while eating your delicious oatmeal cookies, but it'll be faaaaaar into the future, if it happens at all.

For me, I really have to decide if I want to stay with my LS should they choose to stay on a JP server and if I want to deal with the 200 ms lag. I really like my LS but the lag, for me, made the game almost unplayable at the level of playing I wanted to be at. Killing random mobs and easy endgame was doable... but... Being the solo healer in Ifrit Extreme put a lot of pressure on me. I couldn't mess up. I couldn't get hit by things and die... but when you hit a lag spike with 200 ms lag default, it's going to happen. Weirdly enough, I had the worst problems with lag late at night. o.O;; Some people have gotten upset when I've said that I need to be on an NA server (no matter what), but if I choose to stay on a JP server, I'll be useless at hardmode endgame and then I won't even be able to participate in the most recent content without the lag killing me.

square-enix.montreal.com 52ms Live in FL
JP i got 192ms

From splat in the middle of the UK:

ping 184.107.107.176 (montreal)
average = 117ms

ping 202.67.53.202 (japan)
average = 268ms

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Originally Posted by Ryuko

I think cross server linkshells or anything like that would be super hard to implement if they didn't plan for it already. It may happen in the future, and it's nice to dream about while eating your delicious oatmeal cookies, but it'll be faaaaaar into the future, if it happens at all.

For me, I really have to decide if I want to stay with my LS should they choose to stay on a JP server and if I want to deal with the 200 ms lag. I really like my LS but the lag, for me, made the game almost unplayable at the level of playing I wanted to be at. Killing random mobs and easy endgame was doable... but... Being the solo healer in Ifrit Extreme put a lot of pressure on me. I couldn't mess up. I couldn't get hit by things and die... but when you hit a lag spike with 200 ms lag default, it's going to happen. Weirdly enough, I had the worst problems with lag late at night. o.O;; Some people have gotten upset when I've said that I need to be on an NA server (no matter what), but if I choose to stay on a JP server, I'll be useless at hardmode endgame and then I won't even be able to participate in the most recent content without the lag killing me.

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What people need to remember too is :
1) You are going to have phase 3 for lag testing since SE has confirm that their will be endgame content for player to try.

2) Phase 3 will give an idea of the population of the server. You can create a new character on any server while room is avaliable and take a look for yourself.

3) If you decided on a different server, you have phase 4 Open Beta to choose your pernament home.

4) SE have confirm that transfer server tickets will be introduced in the game at a later date just like XI. (Posible 6 months after release)

Yes having a global community was fun, specially if I stay after hours; finding a JP group to grind it was interesting with google translate to communicate. For SE to bring a satisfaction to hardcore endgame battle content, you have to look at battles such as Ifrit Extreme where latency will be a big issue. At the same time Yoshi-P has confirm that the content finder will group people from different worlds for instance battles still making it some what global community.

I'm live in England and I'm getting 118 ping to Montreal and 330 to Japan. If we had a datacentre in europe it'd be much lower, Germany for example gives me a ping of 64.

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Originally Posted by charlemagne

I'm live in England and I'm getting 118 ping to Montreal and 330 to Japan. If we had a datacentre in europe it'd be much lower, Germany for example gives me a ping of 64.

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Yeah, but then the majority of people we played with would be speaking in those crazy made-up languages they use on the continent. If there's one good thing we can say about our American overlords, it's that they (nearly) speak the right language.

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Originally Posted by Mjollnir

Yeah, but then the majority of people we played with would be speaking in those crazy made-up languages they use on the continent. If there's one good thing we can say about our American overlords, it's that they (nearly) speak the right language.

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Calm your tits, mate.




Did I do good? :D

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Originally Posted by Vivik

Calm your tits, mate.




Did I do good? :D

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Not sure. My brain read that in an Australian accent.

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Originally Posted by charlemagne

I'm live in England and I'm getting 118 ping to Montreal and 330 to Japan. If we had a datacentre in europe it'd be much lower, Germany for example gives me a ping of 64.

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But you wont have issue with PVE at the end o.o so i don't see the issue. You not going to have that issue you had in ifrit in ARR. The servers are coded right this time around no longer requesting more information per action like it did in 1.0.

The only issue people are saying that could be would be PVP but if you going to play in a EU base world then everyone would be the same latency. But if you play PVP with JP that would out do the EU/NA if the latency really is that a big of a problem in a MMO for PVP and i really don't think it's going to be.

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Originally Posted by Mjollnir

Not sure. My brain read that in an Australian accent.

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I'll work on it some more. With all this sunshine it's hard to pretend to be from England.

From GER to JP: ~300ms
From GER to NA (Montreal): ~156ms

Can live with that º•º

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Originally Posted by FedeMax

I have not seen anyone on the Oceanic area post any results.

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Here you go!

From: Brisbane, Australia
JP: ~215ms
NA: ~240ms
EU: ~310ms

Some people in Oceania have been getting lower ping then myself on the JP servers, however my ISP pings to JP fairly high (even though it is the most popular ISP in AU). I must be getting routed through somewhere.

Other people on my ISP (Telstra) have reported similar ping.

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Originally Posted by Vivik

Why don't we just call it what it is. The JPs got what they wanted and got their own servers. Sure, you can play on them from the US or EU but nobody would.

The one thing I enjoyed about FFXI was the cultural diversity of the servers. Now instead of changing some game mechanics we segregate the world from each other. Pretty sad imo...

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Agreed, I really liked that aspect.

How many canadian ff14 players are there lol. They should have put a server in the actual states man my ping is almost same to jp and to canada almost no change. Isnt that why there is a server in EU for Eu players why hell would anyone put a server in canada lol should have atleast put in somewhere in middle of USa

From the west of France to Montréal Ping=100 ms (with an adsl 2+ connection), vs 297ms to jp before. Ping /3 i'm fine with this :).

Just wanted to let those know who are still wanting to enjoy that International Server experience, but are concerned that there may not be English speaking people to play with, that our Distant World Linkshells last night (we had 4 of them in order to include them all our community members during 1.0), has decided to Remain on Masamune. So there will be a NA/EU presence remaining on Masamune! Have no fear..

"Masamune" was the name of the greatest blacksmith known in Japan, so let's forge the greatest international server that there is!