Chocobos, Teleportation, Airships, and your feet. A Travel Thread

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Originally Posted by Tahlia

Wouldn't mind being able to signup in a city to participate at a certain behest camp and/or signup for levequests then use the signups as authorization to teleport out from the main city atheryte. Then have a free return back to a city much like how assault(levequests) and campaign(behest) teleports work in FFXI.

Probably half the amount of anima and keep it for meetups as suggested before but I'd remove the ability to teleport from region to region. If not then at least restrict it from low level players being able to do so. Though I'd still rather see anima be awarded as points by doing various stuff ingame than have it gained via a very slow timer.

And I don't know but I feel access to the other regions should be eventually earned. So when airships and chocobos are available I'd like only chocobos able to get past zonelines. Basically meaning that new players would need to spend alittle time in their home nation before the world opens up to them. Then they can travel around the world as they please.

Just weird random thoughts that no doubt won't work but I thought I'd may as well share just incase.

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Oh god If I were stuck in grid i would have quit the game.

TBH with everyone posting about the removal of Anima, or the reduction of Anima or it's recovery rate:

1: If you think it detracts from the experience of moving across the realm and seeing all the sights simply don't use it.

2: If you think that Anima should have a lower rate of recovery please note that it takes about a day (24 hours) to recover 4 Anima currently. So you have to figure 1 day for 1 teleport. Unless teleporting to a favorite location of which you can have 3 of those set. Thats slow enough.

3: If you believe that the amount of Anima a character has needs to be reduced, (see above). You still have higher costs the further you travel in one teleport. If you attempt to travel from Limsa Lominsa to Gridania the cost is 6, as opposed to going from LL to Ul'Dah which is 4 (3?). And you have to manage it since you only have 100 to do this with (25-33? teleports total). For people like me who travel between the towns to pick the best of the Leves available any reduction to either recovery of Anima or the amount of Anima you can store would simply make it a useless system. This is without even adding in additional areas that you know are coming. These areas that will most likely take you even further away from any sort of Aetheryte or camp/town.

4: When Chocobos/Airships/Ships/(whatever else they decide to implement as a form of travel) are implemented, they will still require time to travel between areas. You don't get on an Airship and be immediately transported halfway across the world. Didn't it take a good 15-20 minutes in XI by ship? Chocobo are just a faster means of transportation than your feet so maybe you reduce the travel time by half. When it takes 30 minutes to cross a single zone I don't believe Chocobo will represent a good "instantaneous" travel method either.

5: Warp is good and all, but why take something thats implemented already and rework it into a job ability?

6: As was previously mentioned you don't want to make a party wait an hour for you to arrive at a location thats completely out of the way, so there has to be some method of instant transport. Anima is already here so it fits the bill.

Also as a side note: Chocobo were already mentioned to be more than just transportation. Now whether or not this will limit their travel ability is yet to be seen, although it should be considered.

Maybe it's just me but the current Anima system with its teleports and returns is good enough to not be removed or changed. It already forces the use of other travel methods if used too often.

Even with 90+ animas, i would love travel by chocoobos and airships !

Teleporting to camps via crystals and animas is exactly like outpost warps from FFXI. The only difference is the inability to warp back to your home state. (which would be nice).

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Originally Posted by Vicious

I want anima completely removed once we get airships and chocobos

hell, we can still have teleports like warp spells or warp scrolls but please no Anima

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^ Lalafel wisdom!

They can also make you actually be by a node or aetheryte and you can teleport only when by them.

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Originally Posted by Seirra_Lanzce

You do know im opposing the idea of limiting it? :P

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duh! i was agreeing with you.....

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Originally Posted by DeadRiser

This is an mmo in which you put your spare time into, is it not? Wasting time on walking in a game that your wasting time playing makes no sense -_-

Anywho, I think they should go back to anima before they changed it in that one update when they add chocobos and airships. I have no sense of adventure anymore in this game.

I also love Cairdeas' idea!

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There is A HUGE DIFFERENCE in wasting time on thngs i WANT to do (ranking up, crafting, HAVING FUN) and then wasting time on things i DONT WANT TO DO (walking from town to town to use crafiting bounses, NOT HAVING FUN). think about what you said for a second

Do you walk to work when you can drive? Do you walk up the stairs when you have an elavator? Do you wait on a longer line at the super market instead of the shorter one. When you are on vacation do you drive from New york to CA or take a plane?

Think about what you said again mab you can understand that you made ZERO sense just now. lol. Who wants to go home and walk in a MMO to get to where they want to be instead of getting there and having fun just because its your spare time? anyone?

Again having multiple options available doesn't detract from anything. To each his own. If you want to walk from place to place wasting hours of time just to see the sights, then by all means do so. It all hinges on your choice to do so, but don't limit other peoples choice by having the other options removed. If you end up using the faster means of travel don't go about complaining that "It ruined your sense of adventure" or "It makes the game less engaging". Because in reality you must not have wanted your engaging adventure if you chose to move about faster to begin with. It's all choice. You choose yours and I'll choose mine.

The only thing I see wrong with this anima system is the ability to teleport FROM anywhere. They should do it so you need to touch an aetheryte to be able to teleport to another one.

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Originally Posted by DeadRiser

They can also make you actually be by a node or aetheryte and you can teleport only when by them.

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Honestly it would even make more sense given the lore that this would be the case. You actually have to travel to an aetheryte crystal or gate to actually make use of it, as opposed to randomly being able to teleport from wherever.

We're trying to get the dev. team to discuss what they've got planned in regards to transportation as things go forward. Hang tight, everyone!

Hmm, I wonder what they have planned. What do you guys think? There are some interesting comments we've been reading, so feel free to toss out more ideas!

Airships seem a bit tough to add unless they redo cities to give them a port, however Chocobos should come soon since most races seem to have the animations done for riding chocobos.

There already are ports in the cities?

I like walking.

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Originally Posted by Sinzfeldt

There already are ports in the cities?

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There are? Only port I'm aware of is the one at LL, but that's for the ferry.

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Originally Posted by Rukkirii

We're trying to get the dev. team to discuss what they've got planned in regards to transportation as things go forward. Hang tight, everyone!

Hmm, I wonder what they have planned. What do you guys think? There are some interesting comments we've been reading, so feel free to toss out more ideas!

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For chocobos, I'm really, really hoping that we see a full fledged chocobo raising system (though I wouldn't be opposed to catching and taming). I just want it to be more involved than going to a farm and purchasing a bird.

I wish the world were open instead of zoned. Being able to have your company build a private airship would be amazing. Since that's not really feasible, we'll need to see how SE decides to implement it. Given the various airship docks that can be found throughout the game world, I'm hoping that inter-zone travel will be done in real-time rather than a simple fade-to-black.

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Originally Posted by Corrderio

There are? Only port I'm aware of is the one at LL, but that's for the ferry.

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Gridania: Leve counter, go down the stairs ports there.
Uldah: There is some large bridge sticking out a tower in the buildings.
Limsa: Not sure where that one is.

I'll have to take a look at that when I get back on.

Very glad to see you (and the other forum staff members) are checking all the topics for interesting ideas, Rukkirii :) This absolutely incentives people to post more and more ideas around!

Btw, i think airships could need only for the new areas or to reach some particular locations in the middle of the lands (like the little docks we can see in the three main fields). Maybe with 'little' airships in that case. And a big one to reach Ishagard. They will probably add airships also between the main actual cities but many people will continue to use Anima to reach them indeed. When you are on the airship, it would be nice some flying creatures attack it (a dragon! eheh).

Own chocobo is easier to add because it can be used in every way possibile through all the territory. And hope to see customizations and abilities (like a choco-jump to reach high places :D) for it as well. But also they could add chocobo caravans (with fee) between some villages with fixed routes. Randomly these caravans could be attacked by bandits or evil beast tribes.

And hope to see other ferry routes as well (with new areas in the future).

My guess for Limsa is that it is the same place where the ferry pulls into port.

Well Im sometimes tired of walking al the way.
So Chocobos would be nice.

Chocobo raising sounds good, another addition would be to have quests or something else so the Chocobo can learn to walk ofer Rivers or over mountains(in a certain high) like FFVII?
Even though i dont know if this suits the game.

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Originally Posted by Wynn

My guess for Limsa is that it is the same place where the ferry pulls into port.

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There are lots of locked and closed pathways around Limsa, I wouldn't be surprised if one of those became the way to the airship port.

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Originally Posted by Sinzfeldt

Gridania: Leve counter, go down the stairs ports there.
Uldah: There is some large bridge sticking out a tower in the buildings.
Limsa: Not sure where that one is.

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The Limsa Lominsa airship port is directly above the Adventurer's Guild.

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Originally Posted by Len

The Limsa Lominsa airship port is directly above the Adventurer's Guild.

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Yep you can get a really clear view of it from down around the blacksmith/armorer guild.

I want other mounts other than chocobos. I know people will say, "This is final fantasy, no other mounts other than chocobo is possible!" I would like to ride tigers, wolves, dodos, sheep, horses, dragons, giant earthworms, turtles, eagles, raptors, flying carpets, flying discs, etc... During an interview, it was said that chocobos will have another purpose other than the usual, so why not other mounts. I would also like an airship and ship that my whole linkshell crew can ride and operate and occasionally be boarded by monsters like the selbina boat in ffxi, maybe ship to ship battle.

We do not know what they are planning.

We might not be able to teleport to the new cities for example. We don't know anything.

I wouldn't mind if we had to use airships and chocobos the most of the time. Keep teleporting and the anima system for the areas up to level 50 and after that switch to airships/chocobos. Fine by me. Just throwing in random ideas, like I said we have no clue what they are planning to do so its hard to give a proper answer.

Some of you may have forgotten this, but one of the reasons that anima exists in the game is so that players can warp themselves out of terrain that they get stuck in. If you ever got stuck in FFXI, you needed a GM to get you free. The dev team realized early on that players might encounter problems with glitches etc. That is one of the main reasons for the Anima system so it can't be removed entirely, or changed too drastically (my apologies if someone else has stated this earlier in the thread, I didn't get to read it all)

At any rate, Anima is a necessary system at the moment, but I'm inclined to agree with the OP and some other posters here. Once we have chocobos and airships, It would be nice if the Anima system was scaled back a bit to encourage players into a more authentic FF experience.

I prefer the following:

1) Make the 'return' function cost a bit more and have a 30 sec or more charge time.
2) Limit all other Anima use to the Aetheryte crystal menu - (ie, you need to be at an Aetheryte to use it)
3) Remove the teleport party aspect to Anima usage (casual/solo players won't need it) and introduce teleport spells to the game (which will suit party/hardcore play).
4) Remove the ability to teleport people to crystals which they haven't yet visited by other means.

I think this will go a long way to balancing out our transportation methods after chocobos and airships are introduced.

Instead of airships... how about Gold Chocobos? Lets fly across the ocean on a bird!!! Other colored birds, except for the plain yellow, can be used like "flying mounts" and cant cross the ocean.

If you don't want to teleport I suggest you look into Loyalty Mode! It is a special mode that fixes this problem once and for all.

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There's obvious ports in all 3 cities. The Grid one is down stairs from the pub. The Airport in Limsa is on the upper 3rd floor of the pub, and the Ul'Dah one is that long thing that sticks out when you look at the city from a distance, once again, on a 3rd floor we can't yet access.

chocobo breeding is in ff11. And honestly unless you had tins of money and time, your chocobo would be slower then the rented one. It also was a mnth wait. It was kinda fun but also a big pain in the butt. If they add it in this game I hope they make it a bit easier. And less costly to have a decent chocobo for personal travel. Oh and it was 25K to recharge the necklace.

I personally want to see personal airships like in ff9 i loved the scene where the black watlz is chasing the characters. I love flying. It can be something like a higher level travel style (similar to WoW flying mounts) The catch is we need to get it build AND complete a test course.

I hope they add manaclippers again, I loved those in ff11. Would be great for fishers to do deep sea fishing or reef fishing.

Also those against anima though outside the game there is lore involving it. Traveling to the aertherite (sp) stresses the body out and anima is a fail safe so we don't die.

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Originally Posted by Kilta_Firelotus

chocobo breeding is in ff11. And honestly unless you had tins of money and time, your chocobo would be slower then the rented one. It also was a mnth wait. It was kinda fun but also a big pain in the butt. If they add it in this game I hope they make it a bit easier. And less costly to have a decent chocobo for personal travel. Oh and it was 25K to recharge the necklace.

I personally want to see personal airships like in ff9 i loved the scene where the black watlz is chasing the characters. I love flying. It can be something like a higher level travel style (similar to WoW flying mounts) The catch is we need to get it build AND complete a test course.

I hope they add manaclippers again, I loved those in ff11. Would be great for fishers to do deep sea fishing or reef fishing.

Also those against anima though outside the game there is lore involving it. Traveling to the aertherite (sp) stresses the body out and anima is a fail safe so we don't die.

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Make it easier? It was easy and fun to do! Come on ... I want to play a game. What is the fun of making everything easy. If you don't want to get too involved go watch a movie or something.

Chocobe breeding was fun and something nice to do besides all the standard stuff every MMO has. I would agree with you if breeding was the only way you could ride a chocobo, but since it was something aside it was fun as it was. If it was the only way to ride a chocobo I would understand and agree they should make it easy to access, but that was not the case.

Don't take this personal, but I really hate it people are trying to take the fun out of a game, because they are lazy and want everything now, easy and on a silver plate ... where is the fun and the feeling of accomplishing something.

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Originally Posted by Zantetsuken

Some of you may have forgotten this, but one of the reasons that anima exists in the game is so that players can warp themselves out of terrain that they get stuck in. If you ever got stuck in FFXI, you needed a GM to get you free. The dev team realized early on that players might encounter problems with glitches etc. That is one of the main reasons for the Anima system so it can't be removed entirely, or changed too drastically (my apologies if someone else has stated this earlier in the thread, I didn't get to read it all)

At any rate, Anima is a necessary system at the moment, but I'm inclined to agree with the OP and some other posters here. Once we have chocobos and airships, It would be nice if the Anima system was scaled back a bit to encourage players into a more authentic FF experience.

I prefer the following:

1) Make the 'return' function cost a bit more and have a 30 sec or more charge time.
2) Limit all other Anima use to the Aetheryte crystal menu - (ie, you need to be at an Aetheryte to use it)
3) Remove the teleport party aspect to Anima usage (casual/solo players won't need it) and introduce teleport spells to the game (which will suit party/hardcore play).
4) Remove the ability to teleport people to crystals which they haven't yet visited by other means.

I think this will go a long way to balancing out our transportation methods after chocobos and airships are introduced.

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I don't think anyone is contesting the necessity of the anima system at the current time.

However, I've been playing since launch, and I've never during that entire time gotten stuck in a place where my character couldn't get out (I haven't gotten stuck at all, actually, even though I've spent a bunch of time exploring), so I don't think the initial argument has a significant amount of merit.

Airship battles. >3>

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Originally Posted by Evenstar

Make it easier? It was easy and fun to do! Come on ... I want to play a game. What is the fun of making everything easy. If you don't want to get too involved go watch a movie or something.

Chocobe breeding was fun and something nice to do besides all the standard stuff every MMO has. I would agree with you if breeding was the only way you could ride a chocobo, but since it was something aside it was fun as it was. If it was the only way to ride a chocobo I would understand and agree they should make it easy to access, but that was not the case.

Don't take this personal, but I really hate it people are trying to take the fun out of a game, because they are lazy and want everything now, easy and on a silver plate ... where is the fun and the feeling of accomplishing something.

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I agree. Raising a chocobo needs to be fun and getting the perfect choco should feel like an accomplishment. The game needs to have us feeling accomplish not facerolling on some buttons, drooling on enter, and obtaining everything.

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Originally Posted by Corrderio

Airships seem a bit tough to add unless they redo cities to give them a port, however Chocobos should come soon since most races seem to have the animations done for riding chocobos.

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There's a port in Gridania, doofus. Go downstairs at the Adventurers' Guild. For Ul'dah, it's probably on the third floor. For Limsa Lominsa, it's the northern entrance, or the lift.

I am fine with no chocobos or airships. Just allow us to teleport without charging Anima. This will result in more people being online, because we can go anywhere at any time. I usually don't participate in party play because I dont have the Anima go get there. Also people are not leaving the Uldah area to go to other cities. Boring... Just let us port.

Personally i'm all for lowering the rate we get anima and/or the amount we have if we get chocobos and airships. Someone mentioned taking away the group teleport aspect from anima and instead giving mages an ability to telport others, I think thats a good idea as well.