i love FFXI but.....

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Originally Posted by yukikaze_yanagi

Yep, sometimes i can troll too.

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Do you even know what "trolling" means or are you one of these people that just throw the term out for literally absolutely any reason?

playing the jerk is better ? Geez

I think you're confusing acting like a retard with trolling. It's a common mistake.

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Originally Posted by Teuciont

I think you're confusing acting like a retard with trolling. It's a common mistake.

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Whatever. We all know it's a sharp, sarcastic, retard post from a while now. Ok ? Derail over

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Originally Posted by Quesse

I disagree. Borrow away. Seeing Genbu again would be like seeing an old friend. :D

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The thing is - I don't mind that. I'm not even asking for them to build original designs. I just think that we could have throwbacks to other FFs besides XI, because it's exactly like you said - it's like seeing an old friend and it's really nostalgic ^^

But maybe it's too early to ask that :<

I would love to see more FF11 mobs.

I would like to also see mobs from all other FF's too.

Just because FF11 was first doesn't mean its going to be the only one, I'm surprised no ones complaining about Iron Giant.

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Originally Posted by viion

Just because FF11 was first doesn't mean its going to be the only one, I'm surprised no ones complaining about Iron Giant.

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No one's complaining about it because it wasn't the FFXI model: The XIV community only complains about XI elements.

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Originally Posted by Elexia

No one's complaining about it because it wasn't the FFXI model: The XIV community only complains about XI elements.

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Ah i see, makes sense. Stop the XI hatin!

I don't give a damn what mobs they use as long as i have something to kill ~~

Yojimbo, a wandering primal. Do want.

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Originally Posted by Valmonte

Yojimbo, a wandering primal. Do want.

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Implementing SAM and NIN will be interesting i hope Yoshi does better than FFXI and includes a homeland ...FFXI's norg cave wasn't enough for me ...but i suppose they couldn't think of a design for a city where all samurais and ninjas are trained

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Originally Posted by Valmonte

Yojimbo, a wandering primal. Do want.

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Gilgamesh ;XD

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http://thegia.psy-q.ch/sites/www.the.../gilgamesh.jpg

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Originally Posted by Tonkra

Gilgamesh ;XD

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Only if he drops Fake Relics :P

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Originally Posted by Elexia

No one's complaining about it because it wasn't the FFXI model: The XIV community only complains about XI elements.

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Please be quiet. You're fanboy slavering over XI is actually grating.

We're annoyed because it shows a lack of effort. Everything from older games has been at least put into the XIV art style, XI mobs have not.

The art style and world of XI looks out of place in XIV. Even the races got a minor facelift to suit the world more. (so did the early mobs taken from XI too, like Peiste and Raptors)

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Originally Posted by Ingolf

Please be quiet. You're fanboy slavering over XI is actually grating.

We're annoyed because it shows a lack of effort. Everything from older games has been at least put into the XIV art style, XI mobs have not.

The art style and world of XI looks out of place in XIV. Even the races got a minor facelift to suit the world more. (so did the early mobs taken from XI too, like Peiste and Raptors)

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I agree with you, but I don't think a few mobs would mean much of a difference, honestly. If it became a constant thing, sure. But right now it's just Adamantoise, which there really isn't a whole lot you can do to make a giant turtle look different without some stupid spikes or something that FFX had.

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Originally Posted by Ruisu

I agree with you, but I don't think a few mobs would mean much of a difference, honestly. If it became a constant thing, sure. But right now it's just Adamantoise, which there really isn't a whole lot you can do to make a giant turtle look different without some stupid spikes or something that FFX had.

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I don't mind either. I just get irritated with Elexia implying that all the annoyance with this is based on XI hate. Cutting corners is not a good idea tbh.

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Originally Posted by Ruisu

Amal'jaa are basically Mamool Ja on steroids.

http://images4.wikia.nocookie.net/__...f/MamoolJa.jpg

Also, Tiamat in FFXIV is vastly different from XI's Tiamat. Even Hydra looks very stubby compared to Tiamat XIV. Even so, there's still Deathclaw which looks unique.

http://images4.wikia.nocookie.net/__...XIV-Tiamat.png

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You mean it doesn't look anything like this Tiamat? I admit that there are a lot of FFXI designs being carried over when I'd rather see new designs. Did anyone else notice the Rafflesia in the last Live Letter?

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Originally Posted by DrJackal

i love FFXI, its my favorite FF game but can the development team please stop borrowing monsters designs directly from FFXI?
as it stands now from monsters design prospective FFXI lead by far.
which i dont mind for stuff like mandys and goblins because they are kinda FFXI mascots and FFXI Fenrir look is the best in the series.
but i see the trend continues with Admantoise and god knows what, FFXII had really cool design for admantoise , wyrms and much more.
i really hope to see more balance with monster design.

[spoiler]http://images2.wikia.nocookie.net/__...tan_render.png[ /spoiler]

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I hope every single monster in the Final Fantasy series makes an appearance in FFXIV. Especially some of the skins from XI of the medium to large sized mobs that I haven't seen before or haven't seen in a super long time. Of course I would like to see something added to them and some more variation from the XI versions but this is such a non-issue.

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Originally Posted by Ingolf

I don't mind either. I just get irritated with Elexia implying that all the annoyance with this is based on XI hate.

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Why no complaints about FFVI style Magitek? Why no complaints about Typhoon? That's also cutting corners using that logic.

Remember the magic sentence people throw around lately: "It's just Alpha! Let them do x, y, z then complain."

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Originally Posted by Elexia

Why no complaints about FFVI style Magitek? Why no complaints about Typhoon? That's also cutting corners using that logic.

Remember the magic sentence people throw around lately: "It's just Alpha! Let them do x, y, z then complain."

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i think you should look more carefully

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If it's not about fan service, this game is a complete joke.

WHY THE HELL WOULD THEY IMPLEMENT CRYSTAL TOWER?
WHY THE HELL WOULD THEY IMPLEMENT GOLDEN SAUCER?
WHY THE HELL WOULD THEY IMPLEMENT MAGITEK?
WHY THE HELL WOULD THEY IMPLEMENT A CARD GAME?
Pretty sure they have other things that they are going to implement from past FF.

Which makes me wonder, why didn't they fan service their core mmo players, *cough* ffxi *cough*

Hmm all this sounds familiar. HEY YOSHI, THOSE WORKED GREAT IN THE PAST, BUT LEAVE THE PAST IN THE PAST, STOP THE NOSTALGIA! PEOPLE HERE DON'T WANT THAT!

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This is rokien in this thread :|. The original post got deleted by mods, but i managed to save it for shame...

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Originally Posted by Elexia

Why no complaints about FFVI style Magitek? Why no complaints about Typhoon? That's also cutting corners using that logic.

Remember the magic sentence people throw around lately: "It's just Alpha! Let them do x, y, z then complain."

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Because they're not the exact same model, and they're taken from 2D and re-imagined into 3D. There's a lot more work, and new art will have to be created.

Adamantoise is IDENTICAL. Not similar. IDENTICAL. With one or two mobs that's fine, but once they start adding IDENTICAL mobs into the game it's a slippery slope.

I don't mind them taking the concepts.

I'm glad some of you aren't in control of making an MMO. If you seriously think SE has the time to make all new models for everything right now you are delusional.

They posted that picture because they were testing large scale fights against big mobs to see how the server could handle it. I'm sure the Adamantoise model from XI was a convenient fit to test this out.

Maybe I should start bolding random words to try to hype up my argument though; because someone else pointed this out earlier and it was ignored.

I love FFXI but...


I wish people would stop making threads like they aren't going to take some great ideas from FFXI, and leave some out at the same time.

Maybe we should al sit tite until we at least make it to beta? Anything is set to change either by being taken out or added? I got no problems and gripes either way as do most of us. Best we can do atm is see where it goes and base our judgements off whats presented to us.

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Originally Posted by Montijin

I'm glad some of you aren't in control of making an MMO. If you seriously think SE has the time to make all new models for everything right now you are delusional.

They posted that picture because they were testing large scale fights against big mobs to see how the server could handle it. I'm sure the Adamantoise model from XI was a convenient fit to test this out.

Maybe I should start bolding random words to try to hype up my argument though; because someone else pointed this out earlier and it was ignored.

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Maybe people should start reading posts instead of skimming. Then bolding words wouldn't be so necessary.

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Originally Posted by SirEdeonX

I totally agree with this.

Even though ppl say that Final Fantasy is known to get things from previous games, that's entirely right. So they shouldn't stick only to FFXI cuz there's no mob in-game from previous FFs. And this concerns me a lot because FFXI's Shiva is just horrendous lol

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All of FFXIV's designs are MUCH bigger and more grand than FFXI's versions, so I'm confident that Shiva will look significantly more impressive than: http://images4.wikia.nocookie.net/__...va_Concept.jpg

I've got a feeling that FFXIV's Shiva might be the best design of her to date.. but we shall see~

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Originally Posted by Yrusama

You mean it doesn't look anything like this Tiamat? I admit that there are a lot of FFXI designs being carried over when I'd rather see new designs. Did anyone else notice the Rafflesia in the last Live Letter?

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Those things are really Ochu's but for some reason in XI some other mob was named that. XI used a mini version FF 10 Ochu. http://finalfantasy.wikia.com/wiki/O...inal_Fantasy_X)

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Originally Posted by Ingolf

Because they're not the exact same model, and they're taken from 2D and re-imagined into 3D. There's a lot more work, and new art will have to be created.

Adamantoise is IDENTICAL. Not similar. IDENTICAL. With one or two mobs that's fine, but once they start adding IDENTICAL mobs into the game it's a slippery slope.

I don't mind them taking the concepts.

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^^ Too many people are missing this exact point.^^

Same name/concept with a new design? Awesome! (Primals, Chocobo, Ahriman, Bombs, Cactuar, Puk, Bogy, Funguar, etc.)

Identical model and textures? Eh... try to keep it to a minimum.

Personally, for small/ordinary mobs, its not a big deal. We have Raptors, Goblins, Mandragora, Qiqirn, Apkallu, Imps, Goobbue, Opo-opo, Peiste, etc. which are all identical in design to their FFXI counterparts... A lot, but not a problem.

Wholesale import of unique/boss monster geometry like Adamantoise (or Atomos for that matter) begins to be distracting.

Caveat: If Adamantoise is downgraded from a boss/NM to an ordinary, wandering mob in FFXIV, I wouldn't be bothered much.

I've long said that FFXIV should have more giant (non-NM) mobs wandering around for players to exp or farm. If importing Adamantoise is how they accomplish that, then I'm good~

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Originally Posted by Zantetsuken

^^ Too many people are missing this exact point.^^

Same name/concept with a new design? Awesome! (Primals, Chocobo, Ahriman, Bombs, Cactuar, Puk, Bogy, Funguar, etc.)

Identical model and textures? Eh... try to keep it to a minimum.

Personally, for small/ordinary mobs, its not a big deal. We have Raptors, Goblins, Mandragora, Qiqirn, Apkallu, Imps, Goobbue, Opo-opo, Peiste, etc. which are all identical in design to their FFXI counterparts... A lot, but not a problem.

Wholesale import of unique/boss monster geometry like Adamantoise (or Atomos for that matter) begins to be distracting.

Caveat: If Adamantoise is downgraded from a boss/NM to an ordinary, wandering mob in FFXIV, I wouldn't be bothered much.

I've long said that FFXIV should have more giant (non-NM) mobs wandering around for players to exp or farm. If importing Adamantoise is how they accomplish that, then I'm good~

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I was under the impression Adamantoise was never a "special" monster except in XI.

I would imagine they're more akin to the giant crabs or frogs that are already in XIV.

If SE copies an actual boss monster (primal/character/etc) then I'll join the camp of, wtf copy paste.

The other sticky issue with Adamantoise is that it's an old iconic FF monster that has received a modified design in every FF game except (apparently) FFXIV

Seeing the FFXI version in this game breaks that trend.