No chance on becoming a Legacy Member?

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Originally Posted by Taekrys

Elsewhere, Mr January 2012 would just say to Mr February 2012: "Hei, dude, I was here before you, I have every damn right to show off my black chocobo to you."
But then again, Mr January 2011 would come forth and say: "Dude, don't think you are someone just cause you are paying since the beginning of the year."
And Mr September 2010 just bump in to point out: "Guys, I was here since the beginning, I should get a lot more than you all do."
Lastly, Mr 1985 jumps out of nowhere and speak out loud: "I was playing Squaresoft games even before they became famous for Final Fantasy I. Just shut up you all, and get me a Cloud's Fenris fully working."

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i like that example :)

Its not about who deserves it more or less. Its about who did and who didnt care about FFXIV at that time and who did met the requirement, which were told long ago.
You missed it and many already told u theres no chance for u in this legacy campaign anymore.
Why are you unable to accept it?

Accept it or buy an legacy account on ebay.

I managed to get two legacy accounts. I don't even know why I did.

All i see is someone who missed the boat, but instead of saying shit i missed it, ah well sucks to be me. Tries to put the blame on everyone else for not telling her directly HEY your gonna miss it

Nobody's being mean, we're just answering your question: no you can't get legacy because you missed the window of opportunity. It's done. If SE just hands out legacy accounts to everybody who asks for them it undermines the whole definition of the word "legacy". This was a one-off opportunity to thank people - it won't be making a comeback. Sorry you missed it, but if was truly your lifelong dream to have your name in the credits surely you would have acted faster.

Stop noobing around with "Anybody who missed a payment" or "paying full from January". -_-

If they wanted it to be that way they would have said it so.

It was obviously a campaign to eke more out of those thinking of quitting, and bringing those who left back, and not a honest full on reward to just those loyal.

If it was honestly a reward to just 100% paying loyal customers they wouldnt even announce it till the end, as that would have weeded any non 1000% faithfuls out through invisible measures which are a better test of faith then carrots on a stick. All they wanted was three months.

It was a marketing strategy under the guise of a loyalty campaign.

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Originally Posted by Shougun

It was obviously a campaign to eek more out of those thinking of quitting, and bringing those who left back, and not a honest full on reward to just those loyal.

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I think "eke" is the word you're looking for? xD

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Originally Posted by Keisuna

I think "eke" is the word you're looking for? xD

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Oh.. hahah :D

Edited ^_^

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Originally Posted by Shougun

Stop noobing around with "Anybody who missed a payment" or "paying full from January". -_-

If they wanted it to be that way they would have said it so.

It was obviously a campaign to eke more out of those thinking of quitting, and bringing those who left back, and not a honest full on reward to just those loyal.

If it was honestly a reward to just 100% paying loyal customers they wouldnt even announce it till the end, as that would have weeded any non 1000% faithfuls out through invisible measures which are a better test of faith then carrots on a stick. All they wanted was three months.

It was a marketing strategy under the guise of a loyalty campaign.

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I think you're reading too far into it. I think the purpose was to retain players while they started charging the subscription fee, not to bring people who already quit back. The only reason the campaign wasn't more strict is because they didn't want to punish people who may have had reasons other than 'i don't like the game" why they couldn't pay the entire time.

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Originally Posted by Alhanelem

I think you're reading too far into it. I think the purpose was to retain players while they started charging the subscription fee, not to bring people who already quit back. The only reason the campaign wasn't more strict is because they didn't want to punish people who may have had reasons other than 'i don't like the game" why they couldn't pay the entire time.

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I think you are choosing not to read anything of it. And your second part describes someone who isn't loyal to the bone, which is what a lot of people in this thread are trying to say it was for. (which most of my post was directed at).

3 months is all they wanted in loyalty time to be considered a part of legacy.

The bottom line is the information about the Legacy Campaign was in plain view for anyone who cared enough about the game to keep checking back on it. E-mails were sent (whether you got them or not), it was plastered on the Lodestone. If you cared to keep up with the game you would have noticed this and taken advantage of it.

I have friends that played the first month and stopped playing it, but still kept up with the news. Many of them didn't bother with the Legacy campaign because they just weren't interested I guess, yet they keep up with news on ARR and still want to try it out when it comes out. At some point you just have to realize you failed to take the initiative and that a special case isn't going to be made for you.

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Originally Posted by Orophin

The bottom line is the information about the Legacy Campaign was in plain view for anyone who cared enough about the game to keep checking back on it. E-mails were sent (whether you got them or not), it was plastered on the Lodestone. If you cared to keep up with the game you would have noticed this and taken advantage of it.

I have friends that played the first month and stopped playing it, but still kept up with the news. Many of them didn't bother with the Legacy campaign because they just weren't interested I guess, yet they keep up with news on ARR and still want to try it out when it comes out. At some point you just have to realize you failed to take the initiative and that a special case isn't going to be made for you.

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They could have done a better job keeping the website up to date. When cut offs and such are. The initial requirements where only to get 3 months before Beta starts and yet alpha hasn't even started and people are still locked out of the campaign - this was poor on SE part. Though perhaps japan (SE) isn't used to being explicit with its writing, updates, and constant reminders - as a lot American companies are due to sue threat (if you can get over fine print of course :P).

Special cases shouldn't have to be made, SE should have either updated the website 3 months in advance to reflect a true and different cut off or technically Legacy should still be available for grabs. As of now I think the issue is not black and white like you and others are trying to make it out to be.

There is a section -now- informing that no more payments will be accepted but that was put up when it was impossible to make a decision or not if you would join for the carrot (they put it up when there weren't 3 months available to spend - so that if you joined two months late you were screwed).

(And don't get all "this is for loyalty" on me, loyal people don't need carrots to be loyal - SE gave everyone a carrot to buy us out - sure some of use would have played regardless but its not as much about loyalty as it is about incentivising just like a CE isnt about loyalty its about whats in the box - if it sucks people dont buy)

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Originally Posted by Taekrys

So this is the true face of kind players of FFXIV? A bunch of people who links Youtube video that points a finger to you and say "Stupid!"? More that just say "You missed your boat, loser!"?
I mean, like I asked to steal something from you, why such hostile arguments?
When I said "Please", I meant it. I know you deserve it more than me, I really do.
You know what is like living a dream since you are a child and see it fading away in front of your eyes just for being 10 days too late? You lost your human empathy somewhere on the road? Am I not someone who, just like you, love this game and was willingly paying to enjoy it, even if a little later?
I paid the box and tried, I really did, to play it since the first day. I insisted on my friend that we give it a second chance because I wanted to play it with him, and finally convinced on august - and be aware, it's not that I didn't like the game in the beginning, I just couldn't bear the OMINOUS latency playing from EU.
So ok, I'm not as much supportive as you all were, but I WAS supportive to SE.
And when ARR will be out for everyone, I will be treated just as like everyone else who bought the new version of the game.
That just feel... Sad.
And I don't want to claim or demand anything, I was just... Let's say, begging, that I had some way to do this.
It doesn't? Ok, I will accept it, no need to be mean with me.

Plus, I would REALLY like to be supportive as you were. I would've REALLY liked to have gotten back in the game before.
I'm just desperate I can't demonstrate it, anymore.
So if there was, let's say, an option to pay in advance 20, 30 or even 40 bucks to give some kind of support, at least economical, to SE, and to receive some kind of reward (even a lower version than yours, that would be fine too!), I would REALLY pay for it and help with all I can.
Because I really believe in this game, and I like it more than any other MMO out there.

And yes, even because that little child that wanted its name to be displayed on a Final Fantasy game credits, know this is his only chance to have his dream accomplished.

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I think that you are doing a /cry because you dont enter in Legacy

If you managed to make 3 payments of 30 days or 1 payment of 90 days in the time between January 6th & September 29th you pretty much qualified for legacy even though they said the cutoff was well before that. I created an account in June, paid in July, August & September 27th and received the legacy status. They are a lot more lenient on who qualified for legacy than they seem on the lodestone but there is one rock solid requirement you need to meet. You must have made the required number of payments, if you didn't do that then you don't qualify 100% certainty.

Sorry if you weren't able to meet the criteria but the dates were announced even if the accuracy of the announcements weren't exactly there. There has been confusion about the dates & cutoffs in multiple threads about the legacy campaign.

OP, you missed the boat, you had the opportunity and missed it. Sometimes life's not fair. Get used to it. This is not the last time you'll miss a unique opportunity. Suck it up and drive on.

Chastising the mean cranky forum people won't really accomplish much. They're on every forum in existence, and no amount of chastising is going to change that.

As has already been said, it's a bummer you missed the boat, but the Legacy incentive was about more than just the $30, given you were paying that for your subscription, not the Legacy. The Legacy was a 'Thank you' for people who paid for 3 months of subscription. They had to suspend billing at some point, so it was inevitable that there would be those caught with less than 3 months paid before billing was suspended.

This is essentially the same sad truth behind those that wanted all of October to be free, but wound up having to pay for some or all of the month due to everyone's billing dates being all over the place (and therefore the reason why they suspended billing over a month before the final data save date).

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Originally Posted by Taekrys

And I read that, that's the reaosn because I gladly try it when I got the free week. Plus, it is the reason because I actually was able to convince my friend to get back to me, since noticing lag was partially gone.
I didn't, however, receive no mail about this Legacy thing, and i didn't follow the lodestone because... I wasn't playing the game.

Not a single SE game, till now, has escaped joining my library.

I just state it once more, so to be clear: I would like to be supportive with SE, if I could've done it.
It's just sad I can't anymore.
I genuinely asked if there was a chance, EVEN KNOWING I didn't deserve that as much as you do (and yet, I think, more of new players which will come in 2.0).

There isn't?
Fine. But I don't see the need to be mean at am.
At all.

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We're not being mean at you, we're simply stating the truth. We're pointing out the fact that the reason you're not getting it is because you didn't follow the guidelines that were posted all over the place for months. You can't exactly expect sympathy from us because you didn't qualify for it when everyone else stuck with the game...

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Originally Posted by Shougun

I think you are choosing not to read anything of it. And your second part describes someone who isn't loyal to the bone, which is what a lot of people in this thread are trying to say it was for. (which most of my post was directed at).

3 months is all they wanted in loyalty time to be considered a part of legacy.

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I'm not choosing not to read anything. I read everything. I just don't look past the words to find a meaning that doesn't exist.

No, it describes the person who may have had to cancel because of financial reasons. that's the specific kind of person I was referring to. And that's why it was only "3 months" instead of "the whole time-" because it easily could have been.

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Originally Posted by Alhanelem

No, it describes the person who may have had to cancel because of financial reasons. that's the specific kind of person I was referring to. And that's why it was only "3 months" instead of "the whole time."

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No it doesnt. What described finacial reasons at 3 rather then 1 or 0.

If they wanted to reward loyalty they would have given this info out on September 29th when no one could buy any more months.

They -wanted- to get your money and used this as their method - its not about loyalty as much as people want to make themselves feel special for being legacy.


Like early purchase of minecraft - you get a lower price because its not complete. Not because you are awesome loyal customer. You just paid the development costs.

/em shells out dorrahs for SE to rebuild FFXIV all while have a great time enjoying the game in its current state and obtainsing legacy status to make ARR that much better.

I win? Or lose... Depends on how you view life

You miss out OP sorry and you ask they should let players who miss out to get it now before jan? ya i don't think so that would mess up the idea of what legacy is to start with which is we play a shit game and pay for it.

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Originally Posted by Zenaku

Ah ya no lol they did not have to be up to date because they have send email to everyone who sign up for it on there website and was told in many interviews. I think they did not put a lot of time into it because they did not want so many lagacy players they just want the people who really care for the game and pay for it to get it at the end.


To the OP: Somewhere you said they should let other get it before release i don't think so that would miss the point of lagacy to start with we play a shit game and pay for it everyone else who miss it should not get it not to be mean or a asshole about it just for the fact that we was here and play the shit game. So everyone else should who miss it should not get it plain and simple.

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What is said what is done and what is meant are different.

We can argue on what was meant - as I dont think it is as rosey as people want to make out to be.

But regardless of that they should have and didnt keep their info updated - it doesnt matter if the plan was meant for 2 or 2000. You don't unprofessionally maintain outdated information on a clearly updated website. (On occasions they updated little new pieces in the stream but those quickly leave front page - but it never went into the final piece that has never left front page. They have recently updated the main page however but it was way too late to matter). That I am thankful for. At least they finally realized it is still visible. Late, but at least.

I see Legacy as a way to get people who have interests in the game to pay for a few months more than they would have currently. If they had wanted to really reward the hardcore enthusiasts they would have given this to those of us who bought the collectors edition way back when. It was a great way to hook people who were fence sitting into 3 more months of playtime.

I don't mind that they did this, but you're not being rewarded for being the super special XIV player. (which is a good thing)

You had more than enough time to get Legacy status. If you really wanted it, you should have come back sooner and not waited until the last minute. Its not unfair at all. You had lots of time, but you chose not to.

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Originally Posted by Shougun

They could have done a better job keeping the website up to date. When cut offs and such are. The initial requirements where only to get 3 months before Beta starts and yet alpha hasn't even started and people are still locked out of the campaign - this was poor on SE part. Though perhaps japan (SE) isn't used to being explicit with its writing, updates, and constant reminders - as a lot American companies are due to sue threat (if you can get over fine print of course :P).

Special cases shouldn't have to be made, SE should have either updated the website 3 months in advance to reflect a true and different cut off or technically Legacy should still be available for grabs. As of now I think the issue is not black and white like you and others are trying to make it out to be.

There is a section -now- informing that no more payments will be accepted but that was put up when it was impossible to make a decision or not if you would join for the carrot (they put it up when there weren't 3 months available to spend - so that if you joined two months late you were screwed).

(And don't get all "this is for loyalty" on me, loyal people don't need carrots to be loyal - SE gave everyone a carrot to buy us out - sure some of use would have played regardless but its not as much about loyalty as it is about incentivising just like a CE isnt about loyalty its about whats in the box - if it sucks people dont buy)

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You know this is completely true, it did say paying 3 consecutive monts until the beta was released... So, SE needs to get there crap straight, I've been a huge fan of final fantasy for such a long time, and that is disappointing.
I pay for this game for the story and hope to play the game to meet people. But it hasn't been the best expirence with unfriendly people, and on top of that no PvP....
I want the mount, my name in the credits, and I would be more then happy to pay for another month @ 9.99 what I've payed since I've got the game. Which would be crap to pay more when all I use is one Toon and have to pay more a month , then from when I started to pay.

I see what you're saying. You want to donate an extra month's worth of pay to get Legacy benefits. But that would be a slap in the face for anyone who stuck with the game during the laggy, buggy, clunky past year. You're also asking to buy a discount on the game that, in the long run, would mean far less money for SE if they gave everyone this chance. It's been understood for a long time that if you don't make the cutoff, you aren't getting the benefits.

It's not even that though, I see it as they will make plenty of money when all the new players will come for the ps3 version and the new release of the game but people that have played and payed for it for more then a month should have some loyalty consideration. The price is rising, for people that used the standard price, I've payed for the service fee and toon fee for 2 months, if I could pay one more time I would, or if the game purchase would count, because I would be happy to pay for the first month that was tied into the game purchase I would....

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Originally Posted by Yrusama

I see what you're saying. You want to donate an extra month's worth of pay to get Legacy benefits. But that would be a slap in the face for anyone who stuck with the game during the laggy, buggy, clunky past year. You're also asking to buy a discount on the game that, in the long run, would mean far less money for SE if they gave everyone this chance. It's been understood for a long time that if you don't make the cutoff, you aren't getting the benefits.

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And yet, even with your full fledged logic, if they locked down servers 10 days later than they decided to do and not moved to free, I would be qualified.
I really don't get why you all people make such a fuss about loyalty and such, when a so small portion of time is involved.
Slap or not, it was just 10 days. And you still have your slap, when people who started paying on later June have the same reward you get from having played two years non-stop.

So stop making this a principle fight.
It's just days, with the arbitrary decision to stop everything months before alpha is up.
Days. Not slaps, principles, loyality crap and such. A few days and the gift of making this all free for a month.

Most of the people here already have legacy - and have had it for a while. So its not really their battle and dont care. Also we have an unusually large amount of people who want to feel special just because they payed for a game that wasn't complete. (Hence all the slap in the face talk, even though the main page makes no differentiation).

Also most people here are are very active forum users so they have read SE forum updates - which put a general cut off (this was a guideline cut off but it kicked a lot of people in gear). Though this information wasn't readily available to those who joined later, but they all forget that. (Thats why you will hear them say you had plenty of warning when you have no idea what they are talking about)

IF the legacy page said the cut off was X 3 months in advance then I wouldn't be here defending - since then it would be peoples fault for not read the page correctly. But the matter of fact is it wasnt.

However to cut to the ugly truth - SE isn't a people person company, its unlikely they will do anything about this. You can bug the shit out of their customer service if you want, but unless a rep gives 2 cents and wants to put their head on the block for 20 people to see what the headquarters thinks about this then like I said I'm sorry.

I never read anything about having an advanced payment... Which like the whole game I guess I would have just magically figured out how to do that was well... Imagine that, way to go SE

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Originally Posted by Taekrys

And yet, even with your full fledged logic, if they locked down servers 10 days later than they decided to do and not moved to free, I would be qualified.
I really don't get why you all people make such a fuss about loyalty and such, when a so small portion of time is involved.
Slap or not, it was just 10 days. And you still have your slap, when people who started paying on later June have the same reward you get from having played two years non-stop.

So stop making this a principle fight.
It's just days, with the arbitrary decision to stop everything months before alpha is up.
Days. Not slaps, principles, loyality crap and such. A few days and the gift of making this all free for a month.

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The thing is, there has to be a cutoff time. I do agree that it should have been at the end of October though.

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Originally Posted by Ingolf

The thing is, there has to be a cutoff time. I do agree that it should have been at the end of October though.

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Slightly unrelated but I dont even know why they started brining everything down on schedule when the rest of their plan is off schedule lol.

But I agree, -all- of October should have been available for bill pay and the left over going into ARR. Technically for myself I payed for the whole damn thing lol I was right on 30th due date, so as the bill pay server shut off they charged me the month XD.

I ended up getting pretty lucky with that, but a friend decided not to bother paying for two days essentially lol.

I feel that SE get something so right (legacy in general) but then tarnish it with silly decisions.

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Originally Posted by Shougun

Most of the people here already have legacy - and have had it for a while. So its not really their battle and dont care. Also we have an unusually large amount of people who want to feel special just because they payed for a game that wasn't complete. (Hence all the slap in the face talk, even though the main page makes no differentiation).

Also most people here are are very active forum users so they have read SE forum updates - which put a general cut off (this was a guideline cut off but it kicked a lot of people in gear). Though this information wasn't readily available to those who joined later, but they all forget that. (Thats why you will hear them say you had plenty of warning when you have no idea what they are talking about)

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I guess the mean and arrogant behavior is explained, at least.
It's just an elitarist show off, after all, with no compassion at all.
In stance, it would appear they are quite happy with other's misery.
It's just a "The least have my same special mount, the more special my mount is." kind of argument.

Funny thing is, I didn't wish a flame to start at all, but people instead that not caring and not giving an answer, felt so proud and happy about my misfortune that couldn't stop themself to publicly gloat for they being special and more deservedly rewarded.

I let myself out from this kind of environment - forums and such - for a long time, and since I had the impression people being nice in game (much more than in any other, really!), I had the illusion that matched they being so here, as well, and came back.

As I stated since my first very sentence, I'm sorry if someone already asked this, and if all this sound noobish, pathetic, or whatever.
Yes, I am sad, desperate, unhappy and really unsettled for being out without a chance to fix this.
You are free to consider me a crybaby, but I was very transparent on this, so you don't need a deep insight to confirm that, sure, I'd like thing being otherwise.
And I can accept the fact, I've got no problem with that. I was just looking for a slice of hope, nothing more.

That said, I got what I was looking for and I thank anyone who gave me a straight answer.
See ya all on ARR, if the chance for a meeting happens.

I stared playing at the beginning of June, first month was free, last month was free, So even though I've played June, July, Aug, Sept, Oct- even with 5 months, 5 jobs at 50 and all Crafts/gathering 40+, I do not qualify. I'm halfway done with my Relic, and I've talked 3 friends into joining the game, but I feel like the implicit message is that I wasn't part of the 1.0 experience by not being a Legacy member, so feeling wise it kinda sucks..

I didn't understand what "Legacy" was when I started, I was too busy trying to figure out why my MNK needed intelligence.

I'd just pay SE the stupid 30 or 50 bucks for the choco mount, the 5$ a month is whatever I'm still going to play it either way, but I do think they setup the "3 month" period as a requirement in the worst possible way for anyone like me who joined this year and have been playing for 5 months but do not qualify.

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Originally Posted by OrionInerghem

I stared playing at the beginning of June, first month was free, last month was free, So even though I've played June, July, Aug, Sept, Oct- even with 5 months, 5 jobs at 50 and all Crafts/gathering 40+, I do not qualify. I'm halfway done with my Relic, and I've talked 3 friends into joining the game, but I feel like the implicit message is that I wasn't part of the 1.0 experience by not being a Legacy member, so feeling wise it kinda sucks..

I didn't understand what "Legacy" was when I started, I was too busy trying to figure out why my MNK needed intelligence.

I'd just pay SE the stupid 30 or 50 bucks for the damn choco mount, the 5$ a month is whatever I'm still going to play it either way, but I do think they setup the "3 month" period as a requirement in the worst possible way.

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Dude, if you started playing in June, you should definitely have gotten legacy in September

Even though I started the beginning of June and that's 5 months the official release said May was the cut off, I would have paid those months just to make legacy if they'd given me the option, I never had a choice.

I started a mule in June and still got Legacy on it. There should be a legacy icon on your character select screen, if not I would definitely contact customer service.

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I guess I'll have to contact SE..

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Originally Posted by Taekrys

And yet, even with your full fledged logic, if they locked down servers 10 days later than they decided to do and not moved to free, I would be qualified.
I really don't get why you all people make such a fuss about loyalty and such, when a so small portion of time is involved.
Slap or not, it was just 10 days. And you still have your slap, when people who started paying on later June have the same reward you get from having played two years non-stop.

So stop making this a principle fight.
It's just days, with the arbitrary decision to stop everything months before alpha is up.
Days. Not slaps, principles, loyality crap and such. A few days and the gift of making this all free for a month.

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You're making a point that you missed the deadline by 10 days. If they extended the deadline by 10 days, you'd be happy. But what about the people who missed the deadline by 11 days (now 1 day), or 12 days, or 13 days. The cutoff is there for a reason, if they kept pushing it back simply because a subset of players missed it by a very small margin, they'd extend it to eternity. And no, you can't argue that this is different from what you're hoping to happen, because if the deadline was extended for 9 days and you missed by 1, you'd feel like crap.