I still don't understand why you create a new thread for this. Take your own advice and keep it in already established threads maybe? That way you don't seem like such a hypocrite. Way to "Like!" your own posts btw!Quote:
Originally Posted by Kilta_Firelotus
sorry but WHAT?
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03-31-2011, 02:47 AMJibe
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03-31-2011, 02:48 AMZaene
Posting on a forum can be an addictive activity. As can be playing a MMO, no room for mud slinging around here. But yes, on topic it really is a tightrope that SE has to walk here. I mean, one can never fully satisfy everyone, it's a matter of who you can offend the least.
Kind of a sad reality to be honest.
Also, I liked her post Jibe. You really do like to be "observant". Do make sure you know to what you are referring before making Assumptions -
03-31-2011, 02:49 AMChezenWell... I've had some time to really think about this at this point... Currently I do a lot of solo play, so my points are very hard earned. Not that I mind. But I did once play an mmo where I was part of a group, and it had a really large xp death loss. I was (still am! :) ) a healer, so between that and the xp loss a teammate would get if I failed, maybe that's why I have a healthy respect for not dying, even if the penelty is no longer there. I was really glad to play games without xp loss, so I never really thought about where my motivations came from. I suppose if someone never had that penalty, they might not ever developed a respect for it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Zaene
That doesn't mean that I want a points loss penalty, but maybe I understand better where you are coming from. :)
Edit; double posted:
Um, I liked some of her posts. I tend to agree with what she has to say. She just needed to tone down inflamatory comments. Which she is trying to do.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jibe
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03-31-2011, 02:57 AMJibeI have no love for her after she went China Syndrome on me for starting a thread about death penalty and an idea I had for it, saying I need to stop making new threads about a topic that someone else has threaded. Then she immediately went and made this thread to discuss the same thing. I'm talking minutes later. She was incredibly rude to me and I am just returning the favor.Quote:
Originally Posted by Chezen
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03-31-2011, 02:58 AMEekiki
I don't think you're a bad person, Kilta.
But please go away. You don't play this game, and your posts are largely superfluous. Their only purpose is to increase your post count. -
03-31-2011, 03:06 AMChezenHate breeds hate. If you really don't like how someone talks to you, answer them softly. You will get better results in most situations. Getting angry is easy. Keeping control of your emotions and looking for peaceful solutions and understanding is a lot harder.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jibe
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03-31-2011, 03:08 AMKeith_DragoonThe SP/XP loss doesn't have to be that severe, even the slightest loss will be enough to deter people from mindless throwing their lives at mobs and think tactically. Also can do away with the level loss part that came from XI, can't count how many times our mages died so much in the EG only to watch some delevel as much as 1-2 times due to people not listening.Quote:
Originally Posted by Chezen
XI had a 10% exp loss but with furnishings and other means you could reduce it significantly and thats where I think XIV should settle.
From FFXI wiki:
2280 xp/sp in this game wouldn't be all that devastating if you think about it. Players will however start playing smart and deaths will be less common. Also factor in the Raise to reduce XP/SP loss even further and you can bring it down to 300 XP/SP loss with a max tier raise.Quote:
A player who is Level 1, 2, or 3 does not lose any EXP.
■ A player who is Level 4-24 loses what would have been 10% of their max EXP for that level.
■ A player who is Level 25-67 loses what would have been 8% of their max EXP for that level.
■ A player who is Level 68 or higher loses 2400 EXP.
■ Being revived with a Raise or Reraise effect will restore a certain percentage of the EXP lost. If you had lost a job level upon dying, it is possible to regain it upon being Raised. (See "Experience Points Loss by Level" below.)
■ EXP loss per K.O. may never exceed 2400 under any circumstances. If Moghancement: Experience is active, it may never exceed 2280
I don't see how this would cause alot of troubles to people, this coming from a guy who ALWAYS dies in XIV.
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03-31-2011, 03:26 AMGalamantyl
I am in favor of severe punishment for being stupid
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03-31-2011, 03:32 AMZaeneYou sir, are silly.Quote:
Originally Posted by Galamantyl
More along the lines of the topic I agree with your assessment of the situation Keith. But there will always be people who disagree with the concept of an exp/sp penalty on principle. I think this may stem from being able to have a hand in the batter of the future of this game. I'm not sure too many people would be up in arms if a more strict system were in place from the start.
Many people think they know what is best when in fact no one truly knows Anything.
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03-31-2011, 03:53 AMGalamantylOkay, 50 percent might seem like a lot at first, but this is assuming we'd also get exp raises / re-raises and re-raise items we can buy at some point. The "at least" part should've been moreso 40 percent. That's a bit more realistic and fair.Quote:
Originally Posted by Zaene
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03-31-2011, 04:02 AMKeith_DragoonTrue, while I don't know whats best for this game I try to spout ideas that wont' interfere with other peoples gaming while giving a bonus to the gameplay itself. Which is the reason I only made 1 topic (3 times lol) since this forums has come up because in no way do I feel my ideas are the end all be all of FFXIV ideas.Quote:
Originally Posted by Zaene
Sadly even my best suggestions get bogged down and pushed aside by the many silly topics or totally ignored in the new section. :P -
03-31-2011, 04:11 AMChezenLol, well in this case, I just can't bring myself to say, "Sure, I'd love to be punished!", which I imagine is the bottom line for most arguments against stiff penalties.Quote:
Originally Posted by Keith_Dragoon
Being that this is a game, there is validity in the argument that a game shouldn't punish its players. It being implimented wouldn't make me quit, but I'm not going to say that I would like it. :p -
03-31-2011, 04:21 AMKeith_DragoonI don't wanna say I like it cause i'll be the first person in game going "But imma die and lose my XP/SP! ; ;". Something has to be done to help deter players away from just mindlessly throwing their lives away for no real reason other then "No hair off my back I'll just run back and do it again!"Quote:
Originally Posted by Chezen
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03-31-2011, 04:24 AMKazimirSo you aren't playing the game but think you have the right to give your opinions on it? Why are you and every other person that hardly plays the game making these waste of a time topics when you haven't even played enough to really get a feel for what it needs to improve upon? You're wasting the time of the posters, the community team members, and the devs.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kilta_Firelotus
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03-31-2011, 04:26 AMPennywisE
Kilta, I'm sorry to hear about your recent break up, especially with it coming so soon after your recent bereavment.
Since you haven't actually played the game do you come here just to try and earn peoples sympathy?
Guess you have the worst luck or are a compulsive liar. Not sure which. Don't really care.
Confused! :confused:
Back on topic, death penalties are a topic for discussion because this is a forum. People who have an understanding of the game come here to discuss their opinion and experiences within the game. Often they will attempt to use those experiences to make suggestions about how to make the game better. However, people do not always agree and this leads to a passionate discussion or 'hot topic'.
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03-31-2011, 04:36 AMChezenHm. Well... I'm asking this because I really do like to explore all sides of an issue (when it's being discussed, not flamed), but... why? Why is that bad necessarily? Other than the anima exploit that Yoshi-P mentioned.Quote:
Originally Posted by Keith_Dragoon
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03-31-2011, 04:38 AMKeith_DragoonHuh?Quote:
Originally Posted by PennywisE
Well, personally whether its in a party or just general exploring the penalty I mentioned adds suspense, a dash of adventure and a overall concern for my characters well being. In XI I enjoyed dodging mobs in higher level areas soaking in the beauty of the areas while fearing for my life. In XIV I just ran wildy through stuff without concern of death and it wasn't nearly as exciting. The best, most exciting part was the music sadly.Quote:
Originally Posted by Chezen
Oh and I don't flame when a question is asked kindly, only a few people cause me to become a angry ball of rage. :P -
03-31-2011, 04:43 AMWestwoodDavish
This thread. It is pointless. Unrelated Isengard. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uE-1RPDqJAY
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03-31-2011, 05:01 AMZaeneMaking light of people's personal issues is not at all called for nor is it decent human behavior. Everyone should be given the benefit of the doubt. On the topic of whether someone who bought the game and is not actually playing has any say or should be talking about their ideas sees like a no-brainer. Anyone's opinion is valuable.Quote:
Originally Posted by PennywisE
The more thoughts out there the better the quality of discussion. People talked up a storm before the game came out, and are still talking. If nothing else Kilta's point of view is unique because she is able to synthesize thought using the information gained from posters here and things she's seen as opposed to seeing it first hand. -
03-31-2011, 05:08 AMtrintahttp://ninjamonkeys.co.za/2007/07/23/on-being-unique/Quote:
Originally Posted by Zaene
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03-31-2011, 05:13 AMJibeLOLQuote:
Originally Posted by trinta
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03-31-2011, 05:13 AMChezenLol, well for the flaming part I didn't mean you specifically. I'm just saying it's been difficult to really discuss anything in a lot of the threads.Quote:
Originally Posted by Keith_Dragoon
And in my question, I didn't mean you specifically either, I appologize for that mix up. You said "Something has to be done to help deter players away from just mindlessly throwing their lives away for no real reason other then "No hair off my back I'll just run back and do it again!", so I was refering to why is it bad for other players, not yourself.
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03-31-2011, 05:14 AMPennywisEShe has stated that she has recently lost people, broke up with her b/f and is currently suffering money problems. She decided to aired her dirty laundry in a public forum, thus forcing people to have an opinion. I don't believe her. That's my opinion.Quote:
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Secondly, where did I state she wasnt't entitled to her own opinion? Your clearly confused and I think your knickers may have gotten twisted while you rushed to adorn your white armour. -
03-31-2011, 05:20 AMKeith_DragoonIts good to actually have a disscussion with someone rather then being force fed other people's opinions.Quote:
Originally Posted by Chezen
I enjoy the fighting lots of mobs without dying too, it just (for me) enhances that feeling when I know dying would set me back a few kills. I mean in XI the penalty was never that bad, at the levels where you lost a ton of XP you had Raise 2-3 which pretty much halved - 90% the xp lost so 1-2 kills later you have back what you lost from dying.
Its not a gamebreaking addition to the game, its so minor nobody would notice unless they die alot and if thats the case its time to reevaluate the cause of the deaths and adjust it to remedy the issue. -
03-31-2011, 05:22 AMZaene
I believe you are in fact entitled to your opinion however when your opinion is virulent and hurtful you should be mindful of the fact that you may upset others. "Not believing" someone especially about important "dirty laundry" as you so eloquently put it seems like an extremely personal opinion and not at all warranted outside the confines of your mind.
Perhaps you did not in fact say she was not entitled to her opinion but your brash belittling of her opinion seems to speak that you do not hold it in high regard, perhaps so much so that it might not be such a logical leap to say you'd prefer she not had one at all.
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03-31-2011, 05:27 AMtrintaSo you're saying that she's entitled to her opinion, but others are not entitled to the opinion that said opinion is baseless and can be summarily dismissed?Quote:
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Everyone's entitled to think what they want, as long as you agree? -
03-31-2011, 05:33 AMZaene
Everyone is entitled to think what they want as long as they do so in a civil manner. Whether I agree or not is arbitrary. I believe it all stems down to agreeing to disagree and not resorting to ad hominem attacks. Those are childish and have no place in polite discussion.
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03-31-2011, 05:41 AMtrinta
I don't see where anyone made any ad hominem attacks on the fact that she has opinions.... So we don't seem to have any disagreements after all. I like it when everything works out.
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03-31-2011, 05:44 AMChezenI agree. :)Quote:
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03-31-2011, 05:50 AMKilta_Firelotus
all this cuz I was curious about why ppl were talking about death penalties.
>.> I didn't mean to air my dirty laundry It just happen.
I was with my b/f for 5 years we met on ffxi and was my LS leader. He taught me alot about the game. We started talking offline and became close. I ended up unable to pay for ffxi due to a bad bank's debit card. He started paying it for me. (didn't take no for an answer) he also bought me alot of stuff (ahain didn't take no for am answer)
and we just broke up last week. :/ we still friends or at least trying to be. And now he talking to a new girl all of a sudden. :(
I am not really a lier about that stuff. I'm a good person and I don;t need to do pitty tactics to make friends. I got to much pride amd irish stubborness. (runs in the family)
if ppl got to know me they know i;m a nice person. -
03-31-2011, 05:56 AMKilta_FirelotusI never touched the like button. I Don't do that type of stuff. And Like I said. In the 24 hour levequest I asked about my curiosity to something. I was told I was trolling. Again this is a different post topic.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jibe
Its not talking about the death penalty system
its ASKING WHY, people are talking about it.
Its a duscussion on why ppl are having a dicussion. I was curious. Idm if ppl talk about it. :)
Not trying to be mean but... thanks for assuming something and proving a point I made. You assumed I self like my own stuff. Which I don't. I haven't even used the feature. I don;t like vote or post rating just asking for trouble. -
03-31-2011, 05:59 AMPennywisE
Zaene, as already pointed out. Your retort is a all singing, all dancing contradiction.
Is it unreasonable to state she either has the worst luck or is a liar?
Aren't they the only options available? How can a statement of the possibilities be un-civil?
Anyway your valiant display of honour in the name of a fair maiden has at least given me a chuckle.
Good Day Sir! -
03-31-2011, 06:03 AMJibeMaybe I should start a new thread to have a discussion about why you started a new thread to have a discussion about a death penalty discussion.....Quote:
Originally Posted by Kilta_Firelotus
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03-31-2011, 06:04 AMMassacreMassacre
Ok, since everyone else is pretty much just bashing this girl, for posting multiple threads.... (Get over it, seriously)
Ill offer my opinion.
1. I think the Death penalty right now is fine, I think people want it to be like other games, which is stupid in my opinion, try something different for once.
2. Have a Chance of breaking gear? I think its a good idea, but would be rather pricey and frustrating after awhile, possibly like 20% to each piece of equipment? or certain pieces?
3. I have seen people would like to have an SP% taken off after death. I am for it as long as it is for a short period of time, nothing lengthy.
Overall: Who cares? Play the game and just enjoy it?
I could care less I have fun playing the game the way it is, and I am excited for more content to come out. -
03-31-2011, 06:07 AMShinChuckYou, apparently, hence the detailed, bullet-point filled post.Quote:
Originally Posted by MassacreMassacre
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03-31-2011, 06:09 AMKeith_DragoonAgain I am sorry to hear about the breakup and I can so see your "Irish stubburness" lolQuote:
Originally Posted by Kilta_Firelotus
/sadpanda :<Quote:
Originally Posted by Chezen
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03-31-2011, 06:13 AMShinChuckOhhh, you're witty. Sexist jokes, I can't top those.Quote:
Originally Posted by MassacreMassacre
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03-31-2011, 06:16 AMJibe
ShinChuck your sig pic gives me the creeps....
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03-31-2011, 06:23 AMMassacreMassacreOk? Nice comeback. How about just mind your business? and it wasnt a Sexist Joke, I thought you were a Female. My bad.Quote:
Originally Posted by ShinChuck
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03-31-2011, 06:26 AMKilta_Firelotussorry this was too funny :3Quote:
Originally Posted by MassacreMassacre
and jibe idm it will be a totally different topic. not 1 of many topics stating an idea on a system. But I did appologies for saying what I said. Any chance you mind stop holding a grudge?