When Will Forked Tower be Fixed for all?

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Originally Posted by Daralii

They never gave a hard confirmation on Magic having a normal mode. The exact quote from the digest:

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He actually did in his famitsu interview about a month ago now. "We've received feedback that players want multiple difficulty levels, so the development team is working hard to implement that at any cost."

He also didn't rule out revising the original in the same interview, but wanted to see how easing the entry requirements would affect participation first. I wouldn't expect a full rework, but if clear rates remain under where they want them to be, you can probably expect to read about mechanic nerfs/adjustments in the footnotes of future patches

You can read that all here: https://www.famitsu.com/article/202507/48601

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Originally Posted by Velthice

how easing the entry requirements would affect participation first

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It is still trash and lame as hell.

One entry 600 silver or 960 gold. Go grind fates for a while or do lamest brain damage inducing cannon gold farm. Or i almost forgot, win pot against people literally botting it for achievement (since it's max 20) and also win gold coffer and/or second chance.

After you enter oc that thing doesn't spawn immediately .... even if lets say everyone in group magically puts ciphers at the same time it still a lot of downtime just to enter raid ..... and you can't even press magic button to Q immediately and you can't even help people who sleep and forget to put cipher (there is no participant list).

what they need is to do simple trick:

Remove ciphers or make them drop from fates/coffers in OC.

Remove the need for OC instance, let people queue into tower once everyone in raid satisfy level 20.

And probably the most annoying part once you wipe because someone insta pulls first boss since they use autorotation plugin or they just want a missing afk friend into raid:

Remove xp penalty.


All friction i mentioned is pointless and just a waste of time for a content that comes with ruin debuffs and limited resses.

And this is me just writing about entering, raid itself is garbage it wants to be savage,yet most mechanics are floating around extreme oversized difficulty. But ofc they put tank mechanics for last fight so you can die as dps/healer on simple in/out for autos or people unable to do forked fury.

I will stop here probably, my blood is just boiling from this complete mismatch type of a content.

Calamity Unbound, as the final CE of the South Horn story*, should reward a cipher. Since it is impossible without a minimum number of people, it will need that kind of incentive after the second zone is added (not to mention years from now when this is old content).

*I almost feel bad calling what OC has a story, it has less story so far than Eureka

From what I'm gathering is its been pretty much impossible for even big groups to find enough people to fill the party for OC prog, and it is prog as you can't carry players through it.

I'm sure some more bandaids will come for it eventually but it seems like once again SE has decided they wanted to make content for no one with the shelf life of a week.

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Originally Posted by AmiableApkallu

This hasn't been a thing since 7.3 dropped. Every PF group (with 24+ people) gets their own, fresh instance, which is locked for 10min, enough time to enter Forked Tower without anyone else being able to interfere.

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Been in multiple instances when suddenly 48 people disappear and doing fates and the likes as 20-24 remaining is also ruining game time....

The thing is... the instance count those 48 people who is away doing forked tower as well, and that the need to use third party clients like discord to find players is ridiculous as well, the whole thing with FT more or less seem like it never passed the QA department and or QA department was ignored as the content then was rushed out.

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Originally Posted by Themarvin

Been in multiple instances when suddenly 48 people disappear and doing fates and the likes as 20-24 remaining is also ruining game time....

The thing is... the instance count those 48 people who is away doing forked tower as well, and that the need to use third party clients like discord to find players is ridiculous as well, the whole thing with FT more or less seem like it never passed the QA department and or QA department was ignored as the content then was rushed out.

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Fates scale to the number of people who did them the last time

CE’s scale to the number of people in them

Forked affects neither if you end up in an instance originally opened by a forked group

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Originally Posted by Supersnow845

Fates scale to the number of people who did them the last time

CE’s scale to the number of people in them

Forked affects neither if you end up in an instance originally opened by a forked group

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It get really hard and long... when you are the only WAR left in an CE because everyone else died...stop coming with bs.

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Originally Posted by Themarvin

It get really hard and long... when you are the only WAR left in an CE because everyone else died...stop coming with bs.

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This has absolutely nothing to do with the number of people in the instance, it has to do with the CE scaling to the number of people who joined at the start and most of them sucking and dying, if 20 join but 19 dies, then it's 1 person fighting an enemy with a HP value meant for 20 people, this has nothing to do with FT. If it is such a frequent problem, you can carry a number of Phoenix Down and rez people independent of your Job or Phantom Job in a pinch, just rez someone capable of rezzing and let the chain begin.

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Originally Posted by Stasya

what they need is to do simple trick:

Remove ciphers or make them drop from fates/coffers in OC.

Remove the need for OC instance, let people queue into tower once everyone in raid satisfy level 20.

And probably the most annoying part once you wipe because someone insta pulls first boss since they use autorotation plugin or they just want a missing afk friend into raid:

Remove xp penalty.

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Baldesion Arsenal and Delubrum Reginae Savage raiders have a reason to engage with the "base" zones of Eureka and Bozja, even if all they want to do is those raids: re-acquiring Lost Actions. Furthermore, that engagement can be indirect, because they can pay someone else gil to do the work.

Occult Crescent lacks all of that, because Phantom Jobs aren't consumables in the same way, let alone consumables that can be sold on the marketboard. Forked Tower's entry requirements and currency requirements are the only reason a Forked Tower raider has a reason to spend time in South Horn.

My guess is that that's what SE was thinking. This is one of those situations where they shaved off the (potential) annoyance of re-acquiring consumables but didn't fully think through the downstream consequences.

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Originally Posted by AmiableApkallu

Baldesion Arsenal and Delubrum Reginae Savage raiders have a reason to engage with the "base" zones of Eureka and Bozja, even if all they want to do is those raids: re-acquiring Lost Actions. Furthermore, that engagement can be indirect, because they can pay someone else gil to do the work.

Occult Crescent lacks all of that, because Phantom Jobs aren't consumables in the same way, let alone consumables that can be sold on the marketboard. Forked Tower's entry requirements and currency requirements are the only reason a Forked Tower raider has a reason to spend time in South Horn.

My guess is that that's what SE was thinking. This is one of those situations where they shaved off the (potential) annoyance of re-acquiring consumables but didn't fully think through the downstream consequences.

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This content already infested with bots ranging from very rare fate/atma grind (one example is dps waiting near fate for it to be pulled by anyone and said dps just does any range cast on repeat for credit), very rare coffer farmers (i saw one so far, poor thing broke over coffer but it was obvious pixel perfect on top of it) and probably the best reason for people to bot there - stupid pot achievement.

If they remove all these entrance/instance needed annoyances these "players" won't notice that. Square wants this content dead - they forgot to put light farming there.

I had more fun doing castrum/dalrada for mettle/xp with echo and small number of players recently than progging/reclearing forked tower.

And also also, no one will notice if they remove secret from forked tower. Support fate gives like negative amount of sanguinite for both overworld and raid for it to be worth to do every run.

But i guess the person behind secret room is so full of himself and proud of his work so it will be the reason for no fast q/cipher needed yadda yadda.

I will try to contain myself again, since i am stepping into territory of ridiculous silver grind for sets and even worse one - sanguinite ....

They already said they won't.

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Originally Posted by Pricia

They already said they won't.

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Well it isn't concrete but it is up in the air as told in the interview from a page ago. https://www.reddit.com/r/ffxivdiscus...lanned_for_7x/

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- The next raid after Forked Tower is being developed with the feedback from FT in mind, also, the devs are working on hard for it to have multiple difficulty levels. They are also discussing whether to make some adjustments to the mechanics of FT (he mentions there is more individual responsibility than originally planned - the original intention was that perhaps a group of 24 experienced players could bring 24 new players along and clear with them, along those lines).

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That being said, their original intent was a pipe-dream and asinine in thinking that could happen with the way the raid is.

At most we would most likely see the mechs of snowball,fireball, rune axe and holy lance being changed.

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Originally Posted by Maltothoris

Well it isn't concrete but it is up in the air as told in the interview from a page ago. https://www.reddit.com/r/ffxivdiscus...lanned_for_7x/


That being said, their original was a pipe-dream and asinine in thinking that could happen with the way the raid is.

At most we would most likely see the mechs of snowball,fireball, rune axe and holy lance being changed.

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24 man carrying 24 other doesn't fit with ranger throwing bird so entire one side dies on bridges too.

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Originally Posted by Stasya

24 man carrying 24 other doesn't fit with ranger throwing bird so entire one side dies on bridges too.

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Aglaia has AoE tank busters that can wipe the entire alliance. But no one complains about this. Because it's not the sort of thing that happens when people are actually paying attention and trying.

The same is true of badly aimed ranger birds. It happens, yes, but not with enough regularity to be worth complaining about. (And similarly for a lot of other mechanics in Forked Tower that can hypothetically end a run.)

On the other hand, "the mechs of snowball,fireball, rune axe and holy lance" that Maltothoris mentioned are actually the sort of things that people giving their all still fail at.

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Originally Posted by AmiableApkallu

Aglaia has AoE tank busters that can wipe the entire alliance. But no one complains about this. Because it's not the sort of thing that happens when people are actually paying attention and trying.

The same is true of badly aimed ranger birds. It happens, yes, but not with enough regularity to be worth complaining about. (And similarly for a lot of other mechanics in Forked Tower that can hypothetically end a run.)

On the other hand, "the mechs of snowball,fireball, rune axe and holy lance" that Maltothoris mentioned are actually the sort of things that people giving their all still fail at.

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Not sure why you compare normal alliance raid vs thing with limited entry and resses but ok.

My point still stands. Bridge just like other bosses is an encounter that doesn't fit the idea of carrying 24 people.

Just got my 100th clear last night, it was a wild ride. The early days were rough but now that you don't have to instance prog entrance into the duty is effortless. There's currently several Discords with every type of prog point runs happening very regularly, if not daily. Sometimes you need to buckle down and put your nose to the grindstone. Wipes happen. The difficulty is extreme at best. FTB has been out for what, five or six months? Complaining on the forums isn't going to do anything at this point, spend that effort actually learning the fights. If you wanted to do the content you'd do the content instead of saying how much you want to do the content but only if they change every aspect of the content.

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Originally Posted by HammAndCheese

Just got my 100th clear last night, it was a wild ride. The early days were rough but now that you don't have to instance prog entrance into the duty is effortless. There's currently several Discords with every type of prog point runs happening very regularly, if not daily. Sometimes you need to buckle down and put your nose to the grindstone. Wipes happen. The difficulty is extreme at best. FTB has been out for what, five or six months? Complaining on the forums isn't going to do anything at this point, spend that effort actually learning the fights. If you wanted to do the content you'd do the content instead of saying how much you want to do the content but only if they change every aspect of the content.

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Good for you. Unforunately, you seem to completely missing the entire point of this thread so not sure what your flexing here is meant to accomplish.
The reason that you need to join multiple different external discords to sign up for potentionally being picked for runs is exactly why this type of content was dead on arrival for the majority of players.
Square's learned nothing from BA and DR, implemented only the worst bits of both, and needed a shitstorm from the playerbase to even consider the FT fixes. People have a right to complain about it.

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Originally Posted by HammAndCheese

Just got my 100th clear last night, it was a wild ride. The early days were rough but now that you don't have to instance prog entrance into the duty is effortless. There's currently several Discords with every type of prog point runs happening very regularly, if not daily. Sometimes you need to buckle down and put your nose to the grindstone. Wipes happen. The difficulty is extreme at best. FTB has been out for what, five or six months? Complaining on the forums isn't going to do anything at this point, spend that effort actually learning the fights. If you wanted to do the content you'd do the content instead of saying how much you want to do the content but only if they change every aspect of the content.

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No one cares about your 100 clears and these 100 clears won't make forked tower magically better.

Just like some other person i saw on forums you come here to brag.

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Originally Posted by Stasya

No one cares about your 100 clears and these 100 clears won't make forked tower magically better.

Just like some other person i saw on forums you come here to brag.

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It's optional community driven content. It's not my fault people won't adapt to the way the community has decided to do said content. I personally think BA, DRS, and FTB is some of the best content in the game, which all three have created some of the best communities I've found in the game. I will concede that they should've given a "normal" mode but they didn't, personally I don't think every bit of content that gets released should be able to be mindlessly steamrolled, there needs to be some form of challenge, which FTB delivers on.

Also, the tower just got better for me because now I can focus more on helping in prog groups and helping to get others their clear.

The content was really rough in the beginning--I'm very happy with the changes made after initial critiques, they should add the PF listing for BA as well (when resources allow)--and I wish OC's schedule was more expedited because I feel like we should've had something more by now, but I feel like that's more of a critique of DT in general with how weirdly paced most content has been. I bet we'll probably get some kind of duty when the new Pjobs get added, sadly that won't be for several more months.

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Originally Posted by HammAndCheese

It's optional community driven content. It's not my fault people won't adapt to the way the community has decided to do said content. I personally think BA, DRS, and FTB is some of the best content in the game, which all three have created some of the best communities I've found in the game. I will concede that they should've given a "normal" mode but they didn't, personally I don't think every bit of content that gets released should be able to be mindlessly steamrolled, there needs to be some form of challenge, which FTB delivers on.

Also, the tower just got better for me because now I can focus more on helping in prog groups and helping to get others their clear.

The content was really rough in the beginning--I'm very happy with the changes made after initial critiques, they should add the PF listing for BA as well (when resources allow)--and I wish OC's schedule was more expedited because I feel like we should've had something more by now, but I feel like that's more of a critique of DT in general with how weirdly paced most content has been. I bet we'll probably get some kind of duty when the new Pjobs get added, sadly that won't be for several more months.

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You can yap all you want. I joined multiple discords and got clears, forked tower is bad content that needs more fixes like free entrance and even better: normal mode.

You with 100 clears probably now joined bots that do pots, not surprising to see infamy of blood people hanging around there only pulling one pack of mobs in specific location.

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Originally Posted by Stasya

You can yap all you want. I joined multiple discords and got clears, forked tower is bad content that needs more fixes like free entrance and even better: normal mode.

You with 100 clears probably now joined bots that do pots, not surprising to see infamy of blood people hanging around there only pulling one pack of mobs in specific location.

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Such an unpleasant response. Almost as unpleasant as doing pots. Go engage in bad faith conversations with someone else.

Again why do people argue in circles when the problem of forked is so damn obvious

The content can be good or it can be bad, it’s kinda irrelevant to the situation, the problem is the way the content simply breaks OC itself and that’s a wider issue than opinion on whether forked itself is good or not

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Originally Posted by Verty

Good for you. Unforunately, you seem to completely missing the entire point of this thread so not sure what your flexing here is meant to accomplish.
The reason that you need to join multiple different external discords to sign up for potentionally being picked for runs is exactly why this type of content was dead on arrival for the majority of players.
Square's learned nothing from BA and DR, implemented only the worst bits of both, and needed a shitstorm from the playerbase to even consider the FT fixes. People have a right to complain about it.

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I actually think they had the system working just fine for DR, but like a lot of Occult Crescent they decided to throw out a lot of the QOL changes made in Bozja in favor of just making something worse. The only complaint I have about DR is the arbitrary 10m wait time to queue which aged poorly into it becoming outdated content.

But then I've learned this developer absolutely despises patching old content, so I don't think thats getting removed any time soon, and I imagine Forked Tower has already been written off as failed/dead content like a lot of what came in Endwalker.

100 Completions of Forked Tower for a title. Do they play their own game or just slap random numbers in achievements? 7 years for levequests btw.

The 100 clears is actually perfectly fine, it keeps forked circling and because of the way zeninage works forked is a massive gold drain which is great for the economy

It’s just that forked itself and its interaction with OC is broke

Well that people come up with that it is ok that it should be heavy Discord based is a big part of the problem as well... something to think about, and hmm still on the first page, means there is something about it all.

There is nothing wrong for pointing out these problems, and it is important to come with critics, especially when it is small things that would make the experience better for all.

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Originally Posted by Supersnow845

The 100 clears is actually perfectly fine, it keeps forked circling and because of the way zeninage works forked is a massive gold drain which is great for the economy

It’s just that forked itself and its interaction with OC is broke

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Uhh i only buy Zeni coffers with gold or silver... its not a gil sink at all, the only thing that you HAVE to buy with gil is the Elixers for chemist

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Originally Posted by Raesha

Uhh i only buy Zeni coffers with gold or silver... its not a gil sink at all, the only thing that you HAVE to buy with gil is the Elixers for chemist

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I don’t know many people who buy zeninage coffers with gold and silver since the return is awful compared to Gil so the point still stands

Both are sinks for Gil which is good design

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Originally Posted by Deedlit

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you're completely detached from reality. Every night during reclears, for about a month, we'd have anywhere between 5-10 people get their clear. FT is easy.