Occult crescent feels safe and mid

Agreed, SE needs to add a BLP (Bad Luck Protection) bar like that to this step and the Atma and Luminous Crystal phases just to make sure progression is eventually guaranteed. When I bring this up with my static my MT says, "No, guaranteed drops leads to optimizations, and that leads to the content dieing in a month!" as if people won't be optimizing this already.

So far phantom jobs are underwhelming, it's nice to have more then just two added actions though.

I wish freelancer was able to take abilities/passives from your fully levelled phantom jobs so you could creatively mix your own build

Though im going off the wiki and what ive played so far so maybe it gets better.

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I did a few CEs and racked up 9 vuln stacks on a PLD+Knight and I took such little damage (unmitigated) that I could virtually handle another 10 or 20 stacks most likely. Even for a tank, 9 vulns is usually the breaking point but it's not in Occult.

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That strange, I was tanking a CE with WAR (using dps phantom job), the tank buster hit so hard popping only 1 def skill still take half my HP bar without any vulnerability. Popping 2 def CD to only reduce it to 1/3 of my HP taken away.
On a side noteatt one point rack up 4 stacks vulns and the mechanic took half my full HP bar

Repackaging/presenting the logograms/lost actions as "subjobs" makes them a little more exciting. It is neat that you can be a regular Samurai job main and whip out a flute and use regular Bard ability VFX. The flashiness of the abilities seems to vary. The level 1 Monk gap closer is kind of eh.

I am happy that you now have to physically run to the Critical Engagement location and be inside when the arena walls go up. I was asking for this after Bozja, and it makes the experience more coherent.

FATEs are also sparse and uncommon, so instead of just zerging FATEs to level up like in Bozja, it seems like the intended core gameplay loop is farming regular mobs to level up your knowledge level and Phantom Jobs. A FF11-esque party level sync system has been added, and EXPing by yourself seems to be very slow. It also appears that the current Knowledge level cap is 20, but mob levels go up to level 28, so it seems like you are intended to level up in a party fighting the highest level monsters you can. I find this preferable to solo FATE zergs. However, the moment-to-moment combat gameplay of FF14 is that you need to pressing an ability every second, so you do not have time to shoot the breeze in chat like you can while exp farming in FF11.

The perpetual war theming of the field operation is gone. We are once again back to being random adventures running around an overgrown island fighting random monsters, which fits better for content that you are supposed to be spending hundreds of hours in for years after it has released. It felt odd to return to Bozja last year to work on some more relics and spending dozens of hours fighting a war that canonically ended 5 years ago, and also to be doing all of these military operations that never actually cause the war on the map to end like in a GW2 meta event where you finally push all of the way to the evil dragon's citadel and have fully conquered the map and then the instances and closes and resets in 20 minutes.

I am disappointed that currently the first map looks to be another generic overgrown green island, which we have had before with the La Noscea maps in the base game of FF14 and the first map of Eureka, Anemos. I wish that the map was visually more novel. Most new zones that gets added in WoW or GW2 usually looks pretty novel and unlike what had come before, whereas FF14's new zones tend to feel more mundane and often like rehashes. It also does not help that Nym, Mhach, and Amdapor assets are copypasted here.

The magic pots that lead you to the treasure chests (like the bunnies in Eureka) only give you some materia and prisms. Not worth the time and effort.

The story so far has been so-so. The premise is a little interesting in that you are trying to chart a shorter straight line path from Limsa to Tuliyolal, which historical has been so treacherous that every ship that tried never returned, so currently all mercantile traffic has to go through a detour to the South. The ship finds an island and then gets magically sucked in and trapped there, and you find a couple shipwrecks of people who tried to leave. However, once you are actually on the island, the story becomes a little boring - mainly because you are spending hours running around doing field ops stuff, with very little tension in the few cutscenes that happen.

From my experience playing roughly 9-10 hours today on patch release the drop rate for the atma stones is really low it feels intentional but I assume this is just to keep people grinding when playing a MMO. I think I did around 20 fates on one map for a blue atma stone and not even 1 drop so I think it's around 5% chance if I had to guess. I kind of wished you could mix different phantom jobs skills as you leveled different ones but you can only use one phantom job skills which is a bummer. I missed experimenting back in Eureka the logograms felt better in my experience.

>lower the difficulty : complains
>revert back to the gud ol' grind : complains

the duality of the gcbtw

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>lower the difficulty : complains
>revert back to the gud ol' grind : complains

the duality of the gcbtw

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I think we have two major groups of players
One with many free time could grind from morning to late night in weekdays

The other barely hour/s to play weekday and some hours to grind in weekends

This time SE please the former, may be next expansion SE will try to please the latter

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>lower the difficulty : complains
>revert back to the gud ol' grind : complains

the duality of the gcbtw

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This is because not all grinds are equal.

Some grinds are grinds just purely by being an RNG-fest, e.g., you can spend an entire evening on something, following the exact method needed, to have made zero progress whatsoever. Conversely you could also spend an entire evening and make amazing progress. It's purely random.

Some grinds are grinds by virtue of items required, number of steps to complete with guaranteed item or reward at the end, or just by pure slow and steady progress. Regardless of it though you're always going to be at a progress gain at the end of that session.

Whilst both types of grinds may consume the same amount of time, e.g., average time taken to get reward. How you got there, and how satisfying it was, is going to differ massively. This is why you're having the 'duality'. Personally for me I would find a grind far more enjoyable when it is slow and steady progress-based, versus an equal or less grind that is just RNG-based.

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I think we have two major groups of players
One with many free time could grind from morning to late night in weekdays

The other barely hour/s to play weekday and some hours to grind in weekends

This time SE please the former, may be next expansion SE will try to please the latter

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Society Quests, Mandervillous relics, DoH/DoL stuff, Island Sanctuary, V&C Dungeons. Even Raid and Trials farm could easily fall in that category. Even Shared Fates don't take really that long.

There has always been plenty of casual grinds. If anything, casual grinds do seem to tend to get the bigger appeal when about the short life expentancy of the game's contents (which sounds exactly the opposite of what people who like long grinds want). Let those who like running the treadmill have their (optional btw) piece of the cake instead of pushing away other people's niche until they're back to only getting obscure achievements that come from even more repetitive tasks than Occult Crescent is.


And regarding Phantom Job's deal... Yeah, that's about as I expected. Some phantom actions seem interesting to use but, without the chance to customize the job actions, it's bound to get stale. But there is always the possibility that they bring that possibility with Phantom Mimic, though it would've been better by now, as it would further incentivize leveling up as many PJ's as possible.

I expect this content to die off quickly. The gear/rewards aren't all that great. The relic grind is absolutely abysmal due to the low low drop rate of atmas. Most casual players (like me) may dip in and out from to time to time, but this really seems like content designed for the weekday no-life players who are gonna lose themselves in it 7-10 hours per day.

I wouldn't be surprised if this becomes Discord-only content within a month or two. Good luck with getting full raids.

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Society Quests, Mandervillous relics, DoH/DoL stuff, Island Sanctuary, V&C Dungeons. Even Raid and Trials farm could easily fall in that category. Even Shared Fates don't take really that long.

There has always been plenty of casual grinds. If anything, casual grinds do seem to tend to get the bigger appeal when about the short life expentancy of the game's contents (which sounds exactly the opposite of what people who like long grinds want). Let those who like running the treadmill have their (optional btw) piece of the cake instead of pushing away other people's niche until they're back to only getting obscure achievements that come from even more repetitive tasks than Occult Crescent is.


And regarding Phantom Job's deal... Yeah, that's about as I expected. Some phantom actions seem interesting to use but, without the chance to customize the job actions, it's bound to get stale. But there is always the possibility that they bring that possibility with Phantom Mimic, though it would've been better by now, as it would further incentivize leveling up as many PJ's as possible.

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Overall I don’t mind the “ARR” pace of slow grind, but the RNG base. Some kind of “guarantee” would be great like EX farm, or at least the more FATE/CE and not getting a drop, the increase chance of drop (eventually 100%) and reset once a drop happen would be appreciated.

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Some kind of “guarantee” would be great like EX farm, or at least the more FATE/CE and not getting a drop, the increase chance of drop (eventually 100%) and reset once a drop happen would be appreciated.

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It's funny that you should mention EX farms, because they have no "guarantee" on release. If you want the mount on release, you roll the dice with RNG until you get it. If you're willing to wait, then you wait for a later patch where they increase the drop rate and/or add the token exchange.

It wouldn't surprise me if demiatma work out in similar fashion: If you want them now, then be prepared to put in some time. If you're willing to wait, then you wait for a later patch where SE, will, inevitably nerf the drop rate.

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Make people work for relics. .

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I don't want to work. I want to play a game.

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The drop rate is low because people wanted a grind. Not a tomestone relic.

If your life’s ambition is to grind tomestones there is literally nothing stopping you from doing that. That is just not what relics are

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That's interesting for sure. My friend can get all their atmas in a day while with my usual luck I'll draw the short straw and have to keep at it for weeks. I don't like this kind of design, some players are shafted by default and never asked for this (as if actual IRL life rng wasn't enough to deal with), and the irony is that the ones that might get lucky are the ones that actually asked for the grind... If that's not a joke I don't know what it is.

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It wouldn't surprise me if demiatma work out in similar fashion: If you want them now, then be prepared to put in some time. If you're willing to wait, then you wait for a later patch where SE, will, inevitably nerf the drop rate.

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Don’t think I have a choice, 4 hours grind in FATE without getting a single drop and my friend in FC even spend more than 6 hours without any luck. With this rate, I guess I won’t get it all done when next patch drop lol

Welcome back, XIV forum discourse over whether the new foray is good or not.

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Overall I don’t mind the “ARR” pace of slow grind, but the RNG base. Some kind of “guarantee” would be great like EX farm, or at least the more FATE/CE and not getting a drop, the increase chance of drop (eventually 100%) and reset once a drop happen would be appreciated.

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And how is a slow grind with a more reliable drop rate less of a thing for people with enough free time? You will still have to apply about the same time to grind the atmas, only in a more consistent manner.

If you want a more consistent grind, by all means, so do I. Feels better if you can measure the progress reliably and every bit contributes.

But stop pretending this is some way of SE ignoring the casual player when a large of the content caters specifically to them. Even if that content is just boring (which, frankly, it mostly is).

Not that the atmas came without warning and, even then, it's still far more lenient as the atma step is one and done that moves then to 1.5k tomestone buys (which is now very easy to repeatedly grind for).

Yeah, I’d also say mid. The relic grind isn’t much fun — it feels random and the drop rates are too low. Overall, it just feels really unrewarding.
I am also not a fand of how the weapons look.

The treasure chests feel like they just threw in the ones we used to hand over to an NPC to get what’s inside. Still mostly trash inside, qwq. (very unrewarding.)
The chests we have to actively search for are worse than before. The golden ones don’t give 100k anymore — now it’s just 30k. (Very, very unrewarding.)

But to be completely honest, my biggest complaint is the music. The Bozja theme was amazing — it really pulled me in and made me want to keep farming.
The music in the new zone is just... well, forgettable. I’ve already forgotten it, even though I spent hours farming there. D:
Isn’t it reused Eureka music? Or am I wrong?

I was also super frustrated when I heard that ONE theme during a quest at the beginning of the island. I don’t know its name, but my brain just switches off whenever it starts playing…
I seriously can’t listen to it anymore. It’s been around since ARR and they’ve used it way too often. For me, it completely ruins any dialogue it plays under.

Critical engagements spawn too often imo. And maybe it would have been better to allow flying than push people to overuse the return teleport. This feels very unimmersive.

So for me the new zone is mid.

Short form:
1. Grind with no flow
2. Rewards are meh
3. Chests are disappointing
4. Music is forgettable
5. Very little to discover, hardly any surprises

I also liked the fights in Bozia more. Can't say why. It's just how I feel about it.
Really feels like more of the same, but less.

I say this with all respect, but maybe it’s time for some fresh talent and new perspectives. The game feels like it’s stuck in a loop.

My 2 cents after second day:

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Good:

- Extra chests on the map are a nice touch. Loot has been okay-ish. I've looted mounts, glamour, materia. It’s fun spotting them occasionally.
- PJ buffs last 30 minutes and feel useful.
- Map design and exploration are great. The aesthetics are a step up.
- The story starts off like an adventure and grabbed my attention. Honestly, I expected something similar for DW into, but alas... lol
- The mount speed scroll is a great way to reach CEs faster. I can only recommend saving 3k tokens.
- Mounts and Aetherytes are not progression locked.

Neutral:

- Challenge log looks like a weekly, but it’s easy to forget.
- Why are the potions so expensive? You can find loot to sell for Gil, though you have to scavenge for chests first and be lucky.

Suggestions:

- CE's pop back to back and it can get exhausting. In Eureka, you'd trigger them by killing monsters and in Bozja you'd need to complete normal FATE's to trigger the CE.
- FATE's are badly optimized and sync to late. They're completed within seconds.
- There's nothing to do between CEs. Bunny/pot FATEs don’t really fill the gap. The fast CE spawns risk losing your pot.
- No daily or weekly quests tied to this content, which is a missed opportunity.
- Mob aggro range seems very short. Bug?
- Relic RNG isn’t the worst (personally), but it feels unrewarding for many. The quest design needs a serious refresh.
- Phantom skills aren’t customizable. Would love to pick my own roster like in Bozja. It would be a nice incentive to maximize all phantom job.
- Bring back solo CEs. They were fun to watch and do. No idea why they didn’t return.
- I’d love to see dynamic open field raids. Not FATEs per se, but a system akin FATEs that require coordination. Think multiple objectives across the map that need to be cleared simultaneously to weaken or unlock a main boss. GW2 handles this style really well.

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Lukewarm in comparison to Eureka and Bozja so far. These CEs though...i dont like a single one except RE4 merchant. This fight design is fucking ass.

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I just explored the entire zone and completed the map while level 1. While doing this, I aggro'd enemies TWICE, despite hugging enemies that were over 20 levels above me constantly. I was also mounted going at full mount speed. And exploring it was as if the enemies were not there. One of the enemies that went on me I could have avoided and kinda knew it would happen.

I did a few CEs and racked up 9 vuln stacks on a PLD+Knight and I took such little damage (unmitigated) that I could virtually handle another 10 or 20 stacks most likely. Even for a tank, 9 vulns is usually the breaking point but it's not in Occult.

All the aethernets can be got right away, which trivialized it a lot more.

I haven't tried fighting the enemies or using the jobs properly yet but I don't get the impression I even need all that stuff so far.

The story and CE battles themselves seemed OK so far though.

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Oh nice to know. I thought if enmities higher level than me will aggro from a further distance. I think l will get all the aertheryte tonight

The zone is heavy memberberry, but plain
The music is decent with remixes 100%
Fates are different but the same
Phantom jobs are different but the same
Currency, woooooo who would've thought
Bozja collection items, feeling bold aren't we?
The same blacksmith guy who knows how to craft everything in the world appears, because they can't even think of a new character and angle, why bother even hiring writers
Story might be interesting, but I just grinded my airship and got the f out of there.

A solid 6/10 but honestly should've come out earlier, its nothing new, its another flash without any substance.

DLL/Dalriada operations being gone is pretty wack. Duel encounters being gone and handed over to the crafters is shameful.

OC is fun but it is EXTREMELY safe, not capturing the best or most intriguing elements of either Bozja or Eureka at all.

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DLL/Dalriada operations being gone is pretty wack. Duel encounters being gone and handed over to the crafters is shameful.

OC is fun but it is EXTREMELY safe, not capturing the best or most intriguing elements of either Bozja or Eureka at all.

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The release cadence is also horrendous for not having some of the best parts of either of the previous field ops. There will be no new actual content until 7.5X, with 7.4X just being more phantom jobs and 7.3X being the unrelated deep dungeon. It took ~11 months to release Southern Horn, and now the second zone(Northern Horn?) won't be out for another 11 or so months. It's supposed to have a raid, but I'm expecting BA 3 and not CLL/Dalriada or DR.

If you don't like it dont do it. Some of us enjoy a nice grind.

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This can get in the bin, I never want to see tome weapons masquerading as relics ever again.

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Umm, I hate to break it to you but once you finish your first relic it becomes the exact same 1,500 tome system from EW.

Man Can't believe people complaining about grind in MMORPG.
And it is still First Patch, We all know the drop rate gonna increase like crazy after first patch.
And 2nd quest is just another 1500 tomestone.
Can't accept the grind or the content that for grinders? then just skip this patch and wait for next .

I think the worst thing about OC isn't that it's just the same ole safe slop we've been served over the years, it's that it took 10+ months into DT to get it. Almost a year wait, and we got...this.

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And how is a slow grind with a more reliable drop rate less of a thing for people with enough free time? You will still have to apply about the same time to grind the atmas, only in a more consistent manner.

If you want a more consistent grind, by all means, so do I. Feels better if you can measure the progress reliably and every bit contributes.

But stop pretending this is some way of SE ignoring the casual player when a large of the content caters specifically to them. Even if that content is just boring (which, frankly, it mostly is).

Not that the atmas came without warning and, even then, it's still far more lenient as the atma step is one and done that moves then to 1.5k tomestone buys (which is now very easy to repeatedly grind for).

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I am completely lose. I dont know how you get that "But stop pretending this is some way of SE ignoring the casual player when a large of the content caters specifically to them" notion from.

I was saying SE seem to go from one end to another end. ARR/HW grind was like this, pray the RNG god on your side. Then EW come that give out Relic from free.

I believe the best would be a middle ground. Keep the RNG if that's players want but have a "progress" on the RNG so the "unlucky" players at least know they will reach it at somepoint. Just like the EX trial mount drop, you either get lucky or you know every EX you beat you are one step closer to the goal.

Grind might still be long for unlucky one but having able to see a progress will always be less frustrating than praying RNG not knowing when it will happen

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I haven't got to play it yet. However...



Disagree, more of this please. Make people work for relics. They're meant to be a status symbol or can at least be revered as such by the playerbase.
The HW grind was one of the best for relics that we have ever had.

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Relics are not a status symbol by any means lmao. They are not hard to get just a timesink, should I be impressed you are unemployed with all the time in the world and get a relic before me cuz of it?

Relics ARE NOT like ultimate weapons or such which actually take effort and not just time to get.

Honestly I like it but it's weaker then bozja and Eureka.

My biggest gripe is how bad the phantom job system is, it's basically tacked on theirs no real way customize your job, bozja generally speaking had a better system, this could all be fixed if you allowed for us to pick abilities off other phantom jobs once fully levelled for freelancer.

I've been enjoying myself so far but I don't think this content will last as "long form" content if I'm going to be honest. After I do the relic and a few other things like instanced content and gold farming for glams I don't know what else I'd be invested in it for.

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Honestly I like it but it's weaker then bozja and Eureka.

My biggest gripe is how bad the phantom job system is, it's basically tacked on theirs no real way customize your job, bozja generally speaking had a better system, this could all be fixed if you allowed for us to pick abilities off other phantom jobs once fully levelled for freelancer.

I've been enjoying myself so far but I don't think this content will last as "long form" content if I'm going to be honest. After I do the relic and a few other things like instanced content and gold farming for glams I don't know what else I'd be invested in it for.

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Yeah, it is really a shame about the phantom jobs. It has potential. Finger crossed they upgrade it in next stage.

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Honestly I like it but it's weaker then bozja and Eureka.

My biggest gripe is how bad the phantom job system is, it's basically tacked on theirs no real way customize your job, bozja generally speaking had a better system, this could all be fixed if you allowed for us to pick abilities off other phantom jobs once fully levelled for freelancer.

I've been enjoying myself so far but I don't think this content will last as "long form" content if I'm going to be honest. After I do the relic and a few other things like instanced content and gold farming for glams I don't know what else I'd be invested in it for.

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By packaging the extra abilities into jobs with no customization, they can avoid needing to design and balance around potential edge cases.

It makes me so sad to say this. I really looked forward to the new field content. But their late timing was bad and the
content itself is for me personally much less fun than Eureka or Bozia was.
I already feel like I don't want to play much more in this content.
I loved field content so much, but this...

I mean..., it is literally just porting, running to the crit, then beat up an enemy and then port back and port somewhere
else and run there and beat up again and back again and so on, because the crits also spawn extremely quickly.

There is not even time to explore the map because it stresses me out so much how often something spawns and gives
the feeling that you miss something when you ignore it. For me it became very fast just stressfull in an unexciting way,
and extremly repetitiv. There is nothing really exciting between beginning and tower. And BA styled tower should have been an extra.
Special crits in Bozia that you could do without discord where a better choice.

Just my opinion, but Eureka and Bozia was muuuch better. I had so much more fun grinding there. And I did it a lot! xD
But OC..., I don't know... I am sad. :C

Phantom Jobs definitely felt a bit lackluster in customizability when compared to their predecessor. It does however felt comfy in a refreshing way that they are one-time instead of needing to be replenished. My current minor issue with that is, logograms and fragments were quite a lucrative market that drawn me to Eureka/Bozja previously even after I got everything that I wanted out of the contents, and so far in OC I haven’t seen anything that could be tossed to market while not crashing the value so severely. I guess they will refine it further in future patches but who knows?

I still have yet to join any Tower of Blood runs because it seemed to be a poor time investment for the moment & does not align with my current goals to max out all phantom jobs and acquire all base arcanaut’s gearsets, so I can’t say much on that front.

I like how CE/FATEs always spawns quickly because there’s always something to do even when you want to take a small break from the CE/FATE train, be it treasure hunting, killing helping the pots, or even /gpose (lol). Then, when I’m ready to jump back in, there’s always one to join right away.

Regarding the relic grind though, I feel like allowing us to trade in dupe demiatmas for the ones we need would be helpful. Say: trade 3 malachite demiatmas for 1 verdigris demiatma.

Occult already feels kinda stale, the critical engagement feel basic and already repetitive. Phantom jobs are not really exciting because SE tried to play it safe despite as the previous two field ops having shown that this is exactly the place for broken series staple spells like death, reflect, etc. I havent even gotten to caring about the relic, that stuff is by definition just a thing that's tacked on to something. I cant even level other jobs in there which is pretty disappointing.

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It makes me so sad to say this. I really looked forward to the new field content. But their late timing was bad and the
content itself is for me personally much less fun than Eureka or Bozia was.
I already feel like I don't want to play much more in this content.
I loved field content so much, but this...

I mean..., it is literally just porting, running to the crit, then beat up an enemy and then port back and port somewhere
else and run there and beat up again and back again and so on, because the crits also spawn extremely quickly.

There is not even time to explore the map because it stresses me out so much how often something spawns and gives
the feeling that you miss something when you ignore it. For me it became very fast just stressfull in an unexciting way,
and extremly repetitiv. There is nothing really exciting between beginning and tower. And BA styled tower should have been an extra.
Special crits in Bozia that you could do without discord where a better choice.

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It's been pretty much my experience so far. Everything spawns fast but not at the same time so everybody on the map gets to run between each spawn, resulting in hunt train gameplay where you spend your time running and porting, tapping a fate that will die under 5s anyway, then move to the next, with the occasional interrupt from a CE spawning as well.
The only different experience I have yet to go through is the gold farming which I assume is kinda zzZzZZz like it was in eureka, but at least doable in smaller groups that chill around.
I was definitely expecting the same kind of atrocious grindy boredom with zero gameplay intricacies whatsoever like eureka or bozja (although they even watered down the logogram/lost action system to make sure we don't have any fun with it), but they actually managed to make it feel like a rush.

Worse, there is literally nothing to work together for as a community in there.

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I mean..., it is literally just porting, running to the crit, then beat up an enemy and then port back and port somewhere else and run there and beat up again and back again and so on, because the crits also spawn extremely quickly.

There is not even time to explore the map because it stresses me out so much how often something spawns and gives the feeling that you miss something when you ignore it.

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If you want to explore the map, then just explore the map. The only thing stopping you is the person you see when you look in the mirror.

There is an infinite supply of FATEs and CEs. You're not missing anything. They'll be there, waiting for you, when you're ready, especially if they're popping as quickly as you make them out to be.

They really need to sit down and figure out how to fix FATE scaling. It almost never feels right and the bosses either die in 15 seconds or 5 minutes with basically no in-between. Whatever algorithm they're using right now is fcked up

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Disagree, more of this please. Make people work for relics. They're meant to be a status symbol or can at least be revered as such by the playerbase.
The HW grind was one of the best for relics that we have ever had.

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Respectfully disagree. What a "relic" is in an MMO has been watered down. Relics would last an entire expansion (at least) and be head and shoulders above everything else. They could be built upon from one expansion to the next. Or they had some use even outside the expansion they were earned in due to special effects (like the rez stick in EQ1 for clerics).

Relics in this game have always been...well... not relics. We shouldn't "earn" a relic just to have it gathering dust a month or so later.

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Respectfully disagree. What a "relic" is in an MMO has been watered down. Relics would last an entire expansion (at least) and be head and shoulders above everything else. They could be built upon from one expansion to the next. Or they had some use even outside the expansion they were earned in due to special effects (like the rez stick in EQ1 for clerics).

Relics in this game have always been...well... not relics. We shouldn't "earn" a relic just to have it gathering dust a month or so later.

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Relics have been reduced to another annoyance in an overloaded inventory system.