Genderlocked gear. Again.

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Originally Posted by Gemina

Where and when did they state this? Can you provide a source? And ppl are unhappy because they are entitled brats.


Why? Because reasons? Given that AF sets changing appearance based on gender is a trend that goes all the way back to ARR, why are you or anyone surprised/disappointed by this?

It is quite simple, really. The dev team are under no restrictions that prevent them from designing gear specific for males and females, or race as they see fit. Even if they did state that they would no longer lock gear behind gender, that does not apply in this case as the gear isn't technically gender locked. Understand that you or anyone who has a problem with this, that problem belongs to the person complaining. Not the game or the dev team.

I already know the argument of pig suits, tanking in a bikini, bunnies, and silliness are well on their way. Save them until I can grab my violin.

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They've been actively removing gender-locked gear in recent patches and making it accessible to everyone, look in the patch notes and it's right there. The annoyance comes from the differences only being for select classes. The fact that the crop-top picto look is the one they've been advertising since the job was revealed has only led to people feeling misled when the entire identity of the job seemed to be intentionally messy and mismatched (the undershirt breaks that flow). WAR gets a crop top for both genders, so the difference here is redundant and unnecessary. Just screams that women need to show skin and men can't, so it sends a bad message both ways :P

good i was not looking forward to men being cringe and wearing the picto af, i wish they never un gender locked female oufits like the bunnysuit any time men wear that its just gross.

As a DNC, I will continue to wear the same glam I created in Shadowbringers, I guess. That DNC AF gear is ugly. I've legit used the Tribal Warg Sarouel of Aiming for years. It just feels casual DNC for me and they've yet to release anything remotely close since.

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Originally Posted by tikiwiki

good i was not looking forward to men being cringe and wearing the picto af, i wish they never un gender locked female oufits like the bunnysuit any time men wear that its just gross.

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queerphobic alert

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Originally Posted by tikiwiki

good i was not looking forward to men being cringe and wearing the picto af, i wish they never un gender locked female oufits like the bunnysuit any time men wear that its just gross.

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And you play this game because? This community is all about being welcoming and making FF for everyone and freedom of expression is a huge part of that.

Yes we have two genders. Gear should be different.

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Originally Posted by Angelivia

If we're talking about artifact gear, it should be a realistic option for everyone, not favouring certain tastes gender-wise - design-wise is a different matter, of course. The former being more tricky than the latter, unfortunately.
But mic drop statements like these don't really help in a discussion where both sides should be taken into consideration. There's a not so novel concept of beneficial communication skills, to play your unnecessarily passive-aggressive comment back at you.

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It is a realistic option for everyone. Not everyone will enjoy every piece of gear, and that’s ok. That’s why there are many different sets in the game.

By not having the gear be the same across genders, the dev team is actively robbing people of choices. Let people wear what they want to wear.

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Originally Posted by LaylaTsarra

Yes we have two genders. Gear should be different.

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ah yes the two genders: skin or no skin.

Anyways, I have recently experienced the joy of dressing up my catboy in skirts and I LOVE feminine gear for him. He is flamboyant in style and I would have appreciated if I was given the option to put him in a croptop as I pick up PIC. I'm pretty disappointed that I will not have the option to do that.

side note: people who espouse rigid gender roles as being very important have probably never seen a bird before. We do not need a rigid gendered dress code in this game. Let men be flamboyant and show skin if they want to.

Oh i hate that male picto look. Makes my choice between switching to male or female viera a little bit easier though i guess lmao
Really don't understand why they did this

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Originally Posted by Alikyros

They've been actively removing gender-locked gear in recent patches and making it accessible to everyone, look in the patch notes and it's right there. The annoyance comes from the differences only being for select classes. The fact that the crop-top picto look is the one they've been advertising since the job was revealed has only led to people feeling misled when the entire identity of the job seemed to be intentionally messy and mismatched (the undershirt breaks that flow). WAR gets a crop top for both genders, so the difference here is redundant and unnecessary. Just screams that women need to show skin and men can't, so it sends a bad message both ways :P

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That's not the same as stating outright that they will no longer lock gear behind gender. Because they have made efforts to unlock/not lock gear behind gender does not prohibit them from doing it whenever they decide to make gear have an exclusive appearance in the future.

There is no bad message being sent. Only a false expectation being created based on non-existent principles that the dev team does not have to abide to.

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Originally Posted by Gemina

That's not the same as stating outright that they will no longer lock gear behind gender. Because they have made efforts to unlock/not lock gear behind gender does not prohibit them from doing it whenever they decide to make gear have an exclusive appearance in the future.

There is no bad message being sent. Only a false expectation being created based on non-existent principles that the dev team does not have to abide to.

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Oh, there's still a bad message being sent. It's that they don't care about the playerbase despite clearly knowing about the backlash against genderlocked gear and having previously addressed it in other sets.

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Originally Posted by Local_Custard

ah yes the two genders: skin or no skin.

Anyways, I have recently experienced the joy of dressing up my catboy in skirts and I LOVE feminine gear for him. He is flamboyant in style and I would have appreciated if I was given the option to put him in a croptop as I pick up PIC. I'm pretty disappointed that I will not have the option to do that.

side note: people who espouse rigid gender roles as being very important have probably never seen a bird before. We do not need a rigid gendered dress code in this game. Let men be flamboyant and show skin if they want to.

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Some claim there are more than two genders maybe we should have more than 2. I think gender identity is a good thing. You're entitled to your opinion and so am I.

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Originally Posted by LaylaTsarra

Some claim there are more than two genders maybe we should have more than 2. I think gender identity is a good thing. You're entitled to your opinion and so am I.

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Gender identity has nothing to do with gendered gear, which you would know if you weren't the sort of person to be posting transphobic dogwhistles about mmo fashion. Women being forced into bikinis, frills, and dresses with no alternative is misogyny, plain and simple.

I can kind of forgive them for the DNC top since they're making it revealing on two different body types, but I still think it would be nice to be able to choose or acquire both. The pictomancer one is way less understandable - it's not a redesign to compliment a masc body type they just slapped a lazy cover up on it for no reason other than "male navels are scaaaary" I guess? The pants/shorts thing is just exhausting to me - once again I'm getting slapped with another pair of plain pants to go with all my other pairs of plain pants when I'd rather have shorts and plenty of fem characters would rather have pants. If they're going to make two completely different pieces of gear then it needs to be a choice between them or a toggle.

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Originally Posted by LaylaTsarra

Some claim there are more than two genders maybe we should have more than 2. I think gender identity is a good thing. You're entitled to your opinion and so am I.

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Lmao I think men should be allowed to wear revealing outfits like bikinis. This is a video game where ostrich-like birds can fly, you can revive people with magic (and also can make an undead person), and fight gods. Is it really out of the ordinary when a man wears a skirt or shows some skin?
It's cloth. Cloth has no gender. There are men who want to show their belly and women who want to cover it. Let them choose.

Also, here are some birds. Thought you might want to see this.
https://thisismygarden.com/wp-conten...-in-winter.jpg
https://gray-weau-prod.cdn.arcpublis...900&smart=true

Love the sex locked gear and wish they would bring it back in full force

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Originally Posted by Azureskies01

Love the sex locked gear and wish they would bring it back in full force

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"I love it when women are locked into skirts! What is pants? They likely don't have pockets anyways!"

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Originally Posted by Local_Custard

"I love it when women are locked into skirts! What is pants anyways? They likely don't have pockets anyways!"

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*Cough*

https://media.discordapp.net/attachm...444&height=671

Sorry, skirt im wearing made me cough, in seriousness I can understand why people are upset over the Pictomancer one but the DNC one... cmon really...

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Originally Posted by Local_Custard

"I love it when women are locked into skirts! What is pants anyways? They likely don't have pockets anyways!"

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"I love it when people are upset over limitations in a game. I use the salt to flavour my popcorns." is what I read between the lines.

Don't mind me, just here to watch the thread burn. Anyone want popcorn?

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Originally Posted by LianaThorne

Don't mind me, just here to watch the thread burn. Anyone want popcorn?

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Me please, Salty with Choco mnm's mmmmmm.

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Originally Posted by LianaThorne

Don't mind me, just here to watch the thread burn. Anyone want popcorn?

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gladly.
I really hope the problem gets sorted out and people can pick between the gear styles. Not sure if it will happen but one can hope.

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Originally Posted by Rudje

Gender identity has nothing to do with gendered gear, which you would know if you weren't the sort of person to be posting transphobic dogwhistles about mmo fashion. Women being forced into bikinis, frills, and dresses with no alternative is misogyny, plain and simple.

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I'm not phobic of anything, I am intolerant. Get it right.

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Originally Posted by Kathryn

*Cough*

https://media.discordapp.net/attachm...444&height=671

Sorry, skirt im wearing made me cough, in seriousness I can understand why people are upset over the Pictomancer one but the DNC one... cmon really...

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Nice glam ya got there! :3
yeah I think it is egregious that people aren't being allowed to pick between the styles. Or like the fem picto style being the standard and the same for both (The dnc one should just be a two different outfits for every gender to pick between at this point).

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Originally Posted by Kathryn

*Cough*

https://media.discordapp.net/attachm...444&height=671

Sorry, skirt im wearing made me cough, in seriousness I can understand why people are upset over the Pictomancer one but the DNC one... cmon really...

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The fem DNC one has the same imbalance issues as the male picto, as well as the same "we made a really ugly edit to this model and called it a day bc we just have to make sure women show thigh". The lack of a vest breaks the visual lines caused by the "skirt" parts of the sash in an awkward way, and the female pants just actively look worse without the sheer portion on the dude model.

Also, like. You can accurately say some gear isn't gendered, but that doesn't eliminate that when it happens it always happens in the same way, and it always sucks.

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Originally Posted by Rudje

The fem DNC one has the same imbalance issues as the male picto, as well as the same "we made a really ugly edit to this model and called it a day bc we just have to make sure women show thigh". The lack of a vest breaks the visual lines caused by the "skirt" parts of the sash in an awkward way, and the female pants just actively look worse without the sheer portion on the dude model.

Also, like. You can accurately say some gear isn't gendered, but that doesn't eliminate that when it happens it always happens in the same way, and it always sucks.

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I liked the female DNC one but im female inrl and play female, if you like the fem ver just play a fem avatar, if you like male play male, you're getting at least 1 fantasia.

Picto no belly is super weird and the dancer color change is weird. I actually like the male vest better. I wish we'd gotten that with like a bra.

Personally I like the fem Dancer gear, but I acknowledge that's a preference thing. It doesn't change the fact that I want the option to use the male Dancer gear, too.

Of my personal opinions.
(Whether you care or not.)

I'm just not a fan of any changes in gear, PERIOD.

Just like some like the Caster Immortal Flames Gear, but don't cause the differences between the tops having a bra under or none under the male top.

Standards and expectations change.
That will forever be true.
While the Game is Rated T in the US, and Rated More or less in the same range in other nations.

It still is a grown game for more grown folks.
(Who Should be at an age to know better, if you can't take it, advocate for options or toggles to shut out what you don't want.

We have people who either seriously don't like people's glamour, or the concept of Unlocking All, or Practically All Glamours.

and those who just like to cause trouble who should be shown out the door.

PERMANENTLY, if you can't be reasonable enough to at least discuss options that allow you to play and experience the game as you wish, without interrupting others.)

<Been said elsewhere, those consumers are better off asking for a toggle to HideGlamour/Players. Show Only Gear/Force Expac AF based on the Zone.>
(The first, is cut and dry and fast, regardless of the jank. The other does the same, but the flip of it, makes it so for those in ARR they look like their ARR job or current gear. While HW is HW AF, SB is SB AF, Shb is Shb AF, EW is EW AF.)

one thing most here don't even think about is how the DT Blacksmith Gear will be changed in the top either.

Be it the Wrappings covering up to the breast/over the nonexistent nipple, or full coverage on the Female Gear. While the Male exists Unchanged(with the male Au Ra example.)

Perfectly fine^

But for some, we want to have both options if they exist.

or only one if it's only one.

<In my case, I'd prefer it to be a 1-1. Besides who cares if the Male Dancer Version would have a bra or wrap at all on the female version if they allowed us to wear it. we already got tops that are close enough. They could of treated it like the Dalmascan Drapped Top, and either made the space between the Vests sides closer together. or simply left it as is.>

The changes aren't as massive, and they'd be Close enough to each other.

<Even if left with such a massive gap, most players would of moved on.>

IF THE CHANGE IS SO SMALL/UNIMPORTANT WHY CARE.
IF THE CHANGE IS SO MEANINGLESS/POINTLESS WHY EVEN DO IT.

as for efforts on squares part, it just offers them changes in the future that they can play off as TaDah, We Listen and Provide.
<Thumbs Up>

(Which we all know is tiring, more so with how players reacted with the previous valention Male/Female Sets, which later got released/unrestricted. Regardless of the time, or care to adjust)

I don't think there's any point in talking to people who spout modern popular terms like "toxic", "misogynic", "transphobic" (and the list goes on and on) at every given opportunity - even if there's none - to show off their hollow and utterly misplaced moral superiority due to a lack of real arguments and healthy communication skills. And the amount of people liking these over-dramatic mic drop statements which rival any prepubertal teen and would-be edge lord/lady throwing a tantrum only - as well as sadly - proves the regression of common sense and basic decency.

Blindly attacking fellow players or - all the more insolent - the dev team with false and defamatory claims like they don't care even though they're clearly making an effort and going far out of their way to appease every little, most trivial whining is beyond ignorant and immature. That they're still listening to these people crying the loudest actually worries me and I WISH they would indeed care less.

Also, if they’re going to make it gender locked, please do more than put on a black shirt for males.

?? What else do you call blatant transphobia other than transphobia? Because there's been a lot of that in here (which, for the record, I've been reporting) in response to this thread. Literally all we're asking for is either unisex gear (with minor changes such as bras for female mmodels) or for the different designs to be available to both male and female models. People wanting their character to show more or less skin (or generally just preferring the other model's gear design) doesn't actually affect them.

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Originally Posted by Angelivia

And we can't demand a standard of two sets for each gender, either.

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Why not? If they're gonna make the two sets markedly different, it's only reasonable.

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Originally Posted by Merunari

?? What else do you call blatant transphobia other than transphobia? Because there's been a lot of that in here (which, for the record, I've been reporting) in response to this thread. Literally all we're asking for is either unisex gear (with minor changes such as bras for female mmodels) or for the different designs to be available to both male and female models. People wanting their character to show more or less skin (or generally just preferring the other model's gear design) doesn't actually affect them.

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Agreed, I've been doing the same, sending reports of users either "Blatantly Pestering Users" to a point where they aren't no longer discussing to the best this topic can be.

To blatantly focusing more on conflict and harassing them for their opinion on the gear.

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Please <users who are disrupting the thread, or linking rules to aid negative interactions> offer solutions that allow you to have what you desire without restricting others (that the development has shown to actually offer options on previous patches/adjustments.)

This is not a place to have these kinds of back and forth.

(You can't even blame the user entirely for their reactions to your comments.)

There are ways to have cake and eat it too.

And some of us have offered them, be it just visual adjustments between them.
Or Toggles.

Neither of the disruptive users have given any.

So please offer solutions/converse Respectfully.

Oh no..., again. That's so damn disappointing. We live in a weird century, where man are forbidden to look fancy, I guess.
Almost always less skin and long trousers..., and less interesting details :(
*sigh*

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Originally Posted by Heavenchild

Oh no..., again. That's so damn disappointing. Man are forbidden to look fancy I guess.
Almost always less skin and long trousers..., and less interesting details :(
*sigh*

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I feel that. Any gear that my characters (which are all guys) can look fancy I hold onto and rarely let go of. Want to know what my favorite pair of pants in the game is? Bard's tights. I love how colorful it is. I would also love if I had access to more skirts

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Originally Posted by Local_Custard

I feel that. Any gear that my characters (which are all guys) can look fancy I hold onto and rarely let go of. Want to know what my favorite pair of pants in the game is? Bard's tights. I love how colorful it is. I would also love if I had access to more skirts

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For you chic:
https://ffxiv.gamerescape.com/wiki/Collegiate_Skirt

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Originally Posted by Local_Custard

I feel that. Any gear that my characters (which are all guys) can look fancy I hold onto and rarely let go of. Want to know what my favorite pair of pants in the game is? Bard's tights. I love how colorful it is. I would also love if I had access to more skirts

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Just for clarification, are you using the word "fancy" as a synonym for "like a clown"?

well that's disappointing to know, i was really hoping that we'd get to show off our midriffs too :<

both sets of dancer gear look great, but it still makes me wish that it was available regardless of which model your character uses, like it was already mentioned before but obviously there'd sill have to be a slight difference for modesty

i think the best example of recent gear with subtle gender differences is the yakaku set
https://gearsets.eorzeacollection.co...male-front.pnghttps://gearsets.eorzeacollection.co...male-front.png
the only changes between these two are how much the bandages are covering up the model's chest as well as the tattoo placement so it doesn't get covered up by the bandages being higher

if we're looking at older gear, then we've got the uraeus set
https://gearsets.eorzeacollection.co...male-front.pnghttps://gearsets.eorzeacollection.co...male-front.png

you know this is making me wonder if the catboy this piece of official art was specifically posed like this because they didn't have to show his midriff off
https://lds-img.finalfantasyxiv.com/...sfpfUY7pcc.jpg
which kinda funny in a sad way, please stop making these differences, everyone should be able to show as much (or as little) skin as they like

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Originally Posted by dovalore

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This!! Exactly this. The Yakaku and Uraeus gear are perfect examples of what I mean by unisex gear with subtle differences. It's the exact same gear with a minor difference to cover the female model's breasts. That's essentially what I'd want if they were going to stick to a single design for gear. But even then, for the gear that is explicitly supposed to be gendered, there's no reason why both the male and female versions can't be available to both male and female models. Especially with artifact gear in particular.