Jobs feel pretty much complete with Dawntrail no?

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Originally Posted by HikariKurosawa

What else can they add aside from polishing up the animations or upgrading existing abilities like fire 3 into fire 4 and adding fire 5 if I use black mage as an example.

Maybe 8.0 will just be potency upgrades and final revisions to what we get in dawntrail, with a major focus on both new/old content and encounter design instead of job advancement? They could rework the entire low level experience to make the game much more fun at all levels.

It feels to me like if they just keep piling on new actions and every expansion after dawntrail that things are going to be too busy and it's just like, a waste of development budget?

We're staying at level 100 from now on so it makes sense that this is it more or less. I wonder how good encounters and the rest of the game's design could become if that was their primary or sole focus. To me, what I'm seeing feels like a really good time to put the jobs on the back burner and put all the budget into everything else. Still polish the jobs as they are, but I don't think it would be a problem at all to just keep them in this state. They just feel complete functionally.

There is a lot they can do without changing how they are currently function like what I described for black mage. For summoner as another example, they could make it so each demi summon has its own individual set of 3 eikons to go with it. Keep the flow of the rotation the same, but change up the power and aesthetic of the eikon phases.

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You will always get new classes and actions, because those go on the box to sell the game. Button bloat is a secondary concern.

I would also say that the jobs are not complete. SMN is 25%. Healers more or less spam 1 nuke for huge parts of fights. Most jobs feel awful below levels 50, 60, or 70. Etc.

In a perfect world, there would be an expansion with no new classes or actions and intense polishing of existing jobs.

Lots of negativity and discontent in this community, I can't really relate but it's interesting to see how everyone feels. Like I said before, if I am shutting down your ideas or not giving you consideration, it can't be helped. I just don't agree with what you're saying. Can't make something out of nothing.

Healer dps design is what it is for a reason, because they are healers. I don't understand why people want complex damage rotations or even interesting damage rotations on a healer. The whole point of it being so simple is because they only want us to be thinking of healing magic. Damage is literally filler on a healer and it should be as mindless as possible. It's already enough focus to just maintain a single dot for me personally. I'd rather get my healing kit even further developed, or get mobility spells than I would get any more damage. Looks like we're getting oGCD damage spells though so the people wanting for more damage won. It's just never going to be enough until you're doing something like a tank's rotation on top of having extremely overpowered healing spells that require zero thought and are all oGCD for some.

People who talk about how jobs are not being changed up significantly every expansion don't really understand how square enix has been approaching job design I guess. They want to build upon what they have already made, keep it the same but improved. There will likely rarely be significant reworks unless a job is completely broken like summoner was. Their goal is clearly to refine and polish what already is.

I'd prefer meaningful passive traits over skills if the skills amount to "another fireball, another dragon, another explosion, another oGCD heal". Jobs as a whole need to be restructured when it comes to playing in sub 50 content. Jobs are stunted when you play that content. It's so bad. They need to think about that instead of designing everything around level cap.

Really hope it isn't "your job all comes together at level 100" and "your job sucks to play at every level until you hit 96".

Complete isn't the word I would use.

I would use the word rigid, and that is not a good thing.

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Originally Posted by MagiusNecros

I'd prefer meaningful passive traits over skills if the skills amount to "another fireball, another dragon, another explosion, another oGCD heal". Jobs as a whole need to be restructured when it comes to playing in sub 50 content. Jobs are stunted when you play that content. It's so bad. They need to think about that instead of designing everything around level cap.

Really hope it isn't "your job all comes together at level 100" and "your job sucks to play at every level until you hit 96".

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I agree, I think the changes coming in dawntrail are a perfect moment for them to step back from the top end of job design and really focus on the early game experience for once. They have a great finished product, but the buildup to it is lacking and roulettes or other forms of synched content are a huge part of the game experience even for someone who is fully leveled.

This on top of what I said about shifting the focus to encounter design would make the game much better than putting so many resources into further developing and rebalancing the top end of job design. Lots of work goes into it and they have to be really considerate about game balance. If they stepped away from that who knows what they could do with the rest of the game and the new jobs that are sure to be added.

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Originally Posted by Kaurhz

Complete isn't the word I would use.

I would use the word rigid, and that is not a good thing.

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It's not a good thing in your opinion and that's fine. For everyone who wants non-standard rotations and flexibility there are tons of others who prefer working toward mastery of a rigid rotation. There is a huge part of the community that is a really big fan of how well designed the rotations are and how much goes into mastering the patterns that exist. It all goes together sensibly and that's pretty cool.

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Originally Posted by HikariKurosawa

Like I said before, if I am shutting down your ideas or not giving you consideration, it can't be helped. I just don't agree with what you're saying. Can't make something out of nothing.

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I'm sorry but it absolutely can be. You don't have to agree with anyone that you don't want to but you absolutely can respect others opinions without telling everyone to basically "deal with it" or resulting to borderline personal insults such as inferring people are crazy for thinking the way they do. That can be helped lol.

There are ways to have healthy debates and discussions and this isn't it. This is seeking an echo chamber.

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Originally Posted by HikariKurosawa

I agree, I think the changes coming in dawntrail are a perfect moment for them to step back from the top end of job design and really focus on the early game experience for once. They have a great finished product, but the buildup to it is lacking and roulettes or other forms of synched content are a huge part of the game experience even for someone who is fully leveled.

This on top of what I said about shifting the focus to encounter design would make the game much better than putting so many resources into further developing and rebalancing the top end of job design. Lots of work goes into it and they have to be really considerate about game balance. If they stepped away from that who knows what they could do with the rest of the game and the new jobs that are sure to be added.



It's not a good thing in your opinion and that's fine. For everyone who wants non-standard rotations and flexibility there are tons of others who prefer working toward mastery of a rigid rotation. There is a huge part of the community that is a really big fan of how well designed the rotations are and how much goes into mastering the patterns that exist. It all goes together sensibly and that's pretty cool.

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Judging from your replies, are you a fellow FFXII enjoyer by any chances?

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Originally Posted by Zadood

Judging from your replies, are you a fellow FFXII enjoyer by any chances?

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No I never played it past the very beginning. When it came out I was upset because it felt like the end of final fantasy JRPGs lol. I wanted menu based combat final fantasy like FFX and was pretty sad. FFX actually ended up being the last classic final fantasy too. FFXI was an mmo and I tried that too but didn't get beyond the intro either.

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I'm sorry but it absolutely can be. You don't have to agree with anyone that you don't want to but you absolutely can respect others opinions without telling everyone to basically "deal with it" or resulting to borderline personal insults such as inferring people are crazy for thinking the way they do. That can be helped lol.

There are ways to have healthy debates and discussions and this isn't it. This is seeking an echo chamber.

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You're free to express your own differing opinions but you can't really complain about me shutting them down as an individual. It's not my responsibility to give you validation when I feel you're posting invalid takes. There are plenty of other people who complain and echo your own takes. I'm not going to be one of them.

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Originally Posted by HikariKurosawa

I agree, I think the changes coming in dawntrail are a perfect moment for them to step back from the top end of job design and really focus on the early game experience for once. They have a great finished product, but the buildup to it is lacking and roulettes or other forms of synched content are a huge part of the game experience even for someone who is fully leveled.

This on top of what I said about shifting the focus to encounter design would make the game much better than putting so many resources into further developing and rebalancing the top end of job design. Lots of work goes into it and they have to be really considerate about game balance. If they stepped away from that who knows what they could do with the rest of the game and the new jobs that are sure to be added.

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Based on the info we have I don't think it's gonna happen Cap'n. Much like with the initial job reveals and the Picto/Viper demos they are sticking with the 2 minute meta and I'm not seeing much deviation from that. In addition to them making a series of role changes that further simplify combat as well as them saying they will focus on "Job Identity" in 8.0 when Identity has been an issue since Shadowbringers.

The whole "we hear you but aren't going to change anything for 3 years" just isn't a good answer.

But these are the devs that took 6 years to flip a switch on Living Dead so I don't have a lot of optimism on what they say.

I'm hoping we learn a little more when Media Tour ends.

I think players would be more agreeable if the devs were more transparent about combat encounters in the future(and please add midcore content/fights please) as well as where job design per each class is headed.

Communicating with your players is absolutely key in a MMO.

FFXIV took more risks during the HW/SB period. Starting with ShB things have been getting pretty bad with combat design.

I ran through the reworked Ascian Prime fight and it was just a Endwalker combat encounter reskin. More cinematic but less engaging. Seeing the same DPS check at the end of every new fight is a bit jarring.

I'm really hoping the writing for DT is better then EW. EW left a sour taste in my mouth.

But we will see.

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Originally Posted by Saraide

In theory yes. The issue that will come up with that lane however is that people who are less good at the game will be gatekept out by the massive increase in incoming damage that going harrowing hell at all levels would introduce. Whatever solution we look at should also apply to normal mode content, otherwise it's not really a solution at all. I'm fairly confident I could handle a massive increase in incoming damage in casual content. I'm also fairly confident that a lot of healers cant.

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I don't know, is this preventing the more casual playerbase to clear P10 normal?

Either way, I don't think all lanes are mutually exclusives.

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Originally Posted by MagiusNecros

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They do communicate lots though, and I personally see no problems with the 2 minute meta. Everyone is working toward playing in synch with each other it feels great when it goes right and it's a clearly defined tempo. The times between buff windows enable the encounters to be mechanic heavy in certain moments and give us time to pop off when our buffs are in alignment with the encounter's tempo.

I wouldn't want it any other way personally, but it's fair enough to not want it that way.

I don't really feel that they haven't been transparent about their game though. They do live letters all the time and communicate way more than they should be expected to. Look at how little the WoW team communicates at blizzard.

Taking risks isn't necessarily a good thing either. I think they know what they want to create at this point and they are just polishing it further and further. The people who are unhappy will likely continue to be unhappy because they want something different than what the devs want to create for themselves.

I like endwalker combat encounter design, and it makes sense that the new encounters are like that because it is what they have settled on as their game design. Why wouldn't it be consistent with what they've arrived at currently since it was produced at the same time period?

For me I loved the writing of endwalker MSQ but to each their own, it's another subjective matter.

We will see for sure, I just feel a lot of people want this game to be something that it isn't going to become and it's better to unsubscribe and move on if you're not happy with what the devs have created. Life is honestly too short for that behavior.

Longtime players except maybe the most loyal are just bored I would say.

New players are having loads of fun I'd imagine.

I an eagerly awaiting a tooltip blowout so I can see what actually changed. The wait is killing me.

Complete? No, absolutely not.

There are multiple routes the devs can take to improve the interactions within the kit and provide not only a smoother design but one that also allows for player expresion and skill ceilings, instead they decide add only finishers and skills that functionally change anything. If anything they feel stale, homogenized and too restrictive. Its as if the devs think that the casual player will quit the moment they are forced to learn the smallest bit of how to play the game and to avoid that they decide to make the game play by itself.

Personally I hope the 8.0 comment about focusing on job design/identity is true because the game now has quite a lot of issues and its obvious that even the devs see them.

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Originally Posted by HikariKurosawa

They do communicate lots though, and I personally see no problems with the 2 minute meta. Everyone is working toward playing in synch with each other it feels great when it goes right and it's a clearly defined tempo. The times between buff windows enable the encounters to be mechanic heavy in certain moments and give us time to pop off when our buffs are in alignment with the encounter's tempo.

I wouldn't want it any other way personally, but it's fair enough to not want it that way.

I don't really feel that they haven't been transparent about their game though. They do live letters all the time and communicate way more than they should be expected to. Look at how little the WoW team communicates at blizzard.

Taking risks isn't necessarily a good thing either. I think they know what they want to create at this point and they are just polishing it further and further. The people who are unhappy will likely continue to be unhappy because they want something different than what the devs want to create for themselves.

I like endwalker combat encounter design, and it makes sense that the new encounters are like that because it is what they have settled on as their game design. Why wouldn't it be consistent with what they've arrived at currently since it was produced at the same time period?

For me I loved the writing of endwalker MSQ but to each their own, it's another subjective matter.

We will see for sure, I just feel a lot of people want this game to be something that it isn't going to become and it's better to unsubscribe and move on if you're not happy with what the devs have created. Life is honestly too short for that behavior.

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Interesting take actually 2- let's look at this part "Taking risks isn't necessarily a good thing either. I think they know what they want to create at this point and they are just polishing it further and further. The people who are unhappy will likely continue to be unhappy because they want something different than what the devs want to create for themselves."

I would disagree, taking risks should be part of what Square does. That doesn't mean doing so blindly, without discussion or or some evaluation- however until the game is in our hands their decisions are going to involve risk. This goes to the second point - the "devs" are not creating the game for themselves, but for us. Sure, they should take pride in what they create, but they are not the intended audience- we are.

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Originally Posted by HikariKurosawa

Healer dps design is what it is for a reason, because they are healers. I don't understand why people want complex damage rotations or even interesting damage rotations on a healer. The whole point of it being so simple is because they only want us to be thinking of healing magic. Damage is literally filler on a healer and it should be as mindless as possible

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Since you don't get it , it's simple. There isn't enough outgoing damage to have to constantly heal! Some people did the math with DSR, which at times, does 25k-30k dtp. To make people want to think about healing spells, the damage literally have to be 50-60k to really tax people.

It also doesn't help that fights are scripted to the t, sometimes even to the e. Not just in the timeline of how mechanics happen, but also to the damage that happens to the party. It's why no healer clears are possible.

Edit: Before you say anything, I just want something, ANYTHING to do when there is downtime in damage to the party. Be it a slighty more involved dps rotation (5-6 buttons instead of the 3-4 we have more buttons on those spells instead of our filler), more involved party buffing, not something that's every 2 minutes, debuffs which we used to have, just something to do.

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Originally Posted by Maltothoris

Since you don't get it , it's simple. There isn't enough outgoing damage to have to constantly heal! Some people did the math with DSR, which at times, does 25k-30k dtp. To make people want to think about healing spells, the damage literally have to be 50-60k to really tax people.

It also doesn't help that fights are scripted to the t, sometimes even to the e. Not just in the timeline of how mechanics happen, but also to the damage that happens to the party. It's why no healer clears are possible.

Edit: Before you say anything, I just want something, ANYTHING to do when there is downtime in damage to the party. Be it a slighty more involved dps rotation (5-6 buttons instead of the 3-4 we have more buttons on those spells instead of our filler), more involved party buffing, not something that's every 2 minutes, debuffs which we used to have, just something to do.

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I didn't say constantly heal. Not even once. I said that they should be focused primarily or entirely on healing. The damage spells exist so that you're contributing while you are watching for healing moments, but you're still focused entirely on watching out for those healing moments.

If I wanted to play dps I would play dps.

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"This goes to the second point - the "devs" are not creating the game for themselves, but for us. Sure, they should take pride in what they create, but they are not the intended audience- we are."

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The "us" is people who want to play the game that the "devs" want to create. You're not part of the "us" if you don't fit into that demographic.

The thing is there are legit 40-60 seconds in between damage and not to mention there is such a thing as redundant healing spells (cure 1, benefic 1, medica, cure 2) and they for whatever reason will not remove healing spells to make room for more. This is savage also and it's even worse on the stuff that is lower in difficulty compared to it. I never once have to gcd heal as a sge when I do expert.

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Originally Posted by HikariKurosawa

I didn't say constantly heal. Not even once. I said that they should be focused primarily or entirely on healing. The damage spells exist so that you're contributing while you are watching for healing moments, but you're still focused entirely on watching out for those healing moments.

If I wanted to play dps I would play dps.



The "us" is people who want to play the game that the "devs" want to create. You're not part of the "us" if you don't fit into that demographic.

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The "devs'' will definitely have a game design in mind. However they typically don't get to indulge themselves for what they *want* to create but for what one or likely more market segments want.

They then pivot or adjust based upon how their customers react to their delivery- how they measure that is another topic, however I would say that Square targets multiple major segments by the content it consistently delivers. Whether it adjusts well enough can be debated. However the "us" is very inclusive.

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Originally Posted by HikariKurosawa

The damage spells exist so that you're contributing while you are watching for healing moments, but you're still focused entirely on watching out for those healing moments.

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Which is exactly what happens now, which is why people are complaining about glare spamming. Either they need to rework a large portion of content to make healers less of a dps and more of a healer or they add more interesting damage spells so that the gameplay is interesting while you are watching for healing moments.

I'm sure that there are people that pop Plenary Indulgence, Temperance and Lilybell on trash mobs in a dungeon that the entire party is over-geared for but I would think that is a tad overkill. Particularly when the tank is both mitigating and healing (which is the healers job as you mentioned).

Yoshi-P do not change a thing. Actually no, we need at least 3 more AoE healing abilities. I saw a DPS get a splinter and I was never the same afterwards.

“I’d like to get more healing spells”

Genuinely why?

Do people actually get enjoyment out of pressing a shiny new healing spell that just replaces the shiny new healing spell they got last expansion because no matter how much they up the healing they never up the damage. Like am I supposed to put lilybell down and just admire it while the WAR heals themself

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Originally Posted by Valence

I don't know, is this preventing the more casual playerbase to clear P10 normal?

Either way, I don't think all lanes are mutually exclusives.

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Well, how do you think it would go down in MSQ dungeons?

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Originally Posted by Supersnow845

Like am I supposed to put lilybell down and just admire it while the WAR heals themself

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I will never understand how they just let Warrior become a Tank/Healer/DPS all in one package. Warrior soloing Pandemonium 1 at launch was some of the funniest crap. I think they can carry dungeons if they wanted to as well.

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Originally Posted by MagiusNecros

I will never understand how they just let Warrior become a Tank/Healer/DPS all in one package. Warrior soloing Pandemonium 1 at launch was some of the funniest crap. I think they can carry dungeons if they wanted to as well.

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War, pld and gnb did p1n solo, I think pld and maybe war did p2n solo too but it’s been a while.

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Originally Posted by fulminating

War, pld and gnb did p1n solo, I think pld and maybe war did p2n solo too but it’s been a while.

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Oh it's very possible now. WAR could do it out the gate. But it took 1 hour. And it was also because the fight had forgivable mechanics and the outgoing damage was very weak.

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Originally Posted by MagiusNecros

Oh it's very possible now. WAR could do it out the gate. But it took 1 hour. And it was also because the fight had forgivable mechanics and the outgoing damage was very weak.

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Yeah nah this was at around the same time, fairly sure savage wasn’t out yet

I expect 8.0 to be a bigger shake up on the jobs sort of how they shifted monk playstyle around between expansions shb>EW. Keep the flavour of the job but change up the gameplay. I look forward to it but that's miles away and for DT I look forward to the changes we are getting. Expansion soon guys! Hype!

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Originally Posted by MagiusNecros

I will never understand how they just let Warrior become a Tank/Healer/DPS all in one package. Warrior soloing Pandemonium 1 at launch was some of the funniest crap. I think they can carry dungeons if they wanted to as well.

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Warrior's job identity has done somewhat right, but Warrior's role as tank has done terribly wrong which is Warrior literally a job that too angry to die due to having a boat load of self heals, fitting to the job identity, albeit at cost of importance of healer role

And then you have Dark Knight, a job whose job identity has done terribly wrong, but Dark Knight's role as tank has done somewhat right which is Dark Knight has some degree of sustain but not too much to totally dismiss healer role.

Pretty funny and ironic now that I think about it.

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Originally Posted by Zadood

Warrior's job identity has done somewhat right, but Warrior's role as tank has done terribly wrong which is Warrior literally a job that too angry to die due to having a boat load of self heals, fitting to the job identity, albeit at cost of importance of healer role

And then you have Dark Knight, a job whose job identity has done terribly wrong, but Dark Knight's role as tank has done somewhat right which is Dark Knight has some degree of sustain but not too much to totally dismiss healer role.

Pretty funny and ironic now that I think about it.

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Yeah when I think “too angry to die” I definitely think of incredibly powerful AOE shields and 1 to 1 healing of party allies with no downside

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Originally Posted by HikariKurosawa

You're free to express your own differing opinions but you can't really complain about me shutting them down as an individual. It's not my responsibility to give you validation when I feel you're posting invalid takes. There are plenty of other people who complain and echo your own takes. I'm not going to be one of them.

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You're missing my point if your takeaway from that is that I want you to validate people.

There's a difference between agreement/validation and acceptance/respect:

- Agreement/validation is, for example, giving your consent that a line of thinking is indeed a correct one. <--- This is not what I was suggesting.
- Acceptance/respect is looking at something for what it is and only for what it is, without adding any meaning, interpretations, commentaries, judgements, etc. <--- This is what I was suggesting.

It isn't validation to respect another's opinion even if you disagree with it. You can have healthy debates based around disagreeing with someone but still treat their own viewpoints with the same respect you'd want for your own. I promise, it is entirely possible to have discussions and debates without throwing around that people's thoughts have no basis in reality:

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That's not even remotely true though. I don't want to be hostile or anything but if those are your complaints they have no basis in reality. Look at the job actions added in the past two expansions and the next one.

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Yea the shield on Shake It Off and Nansent Flash's heal aren't entirely fitting for WAR, but generally the identity is less negating and more just regenerating faster than the boss can do damage.

And if they cared, they could make fights where that would be more useful than just negating one tank buster every few minutes.

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Originally Posted by Supersnow845

Yeah when I think “too angry to die” I definitely think of incredibly powerful AOE shields and 1 to 1 healing of party allies with no downside

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Ah my bad, I always kinda mixed up PLD's team shield with WAR's team shield.

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Originally Posted by Saraide

Well, how do you think it would go down in MSQ dungeons?

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idk, probably like it used to go in dungeons before ShB.

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Originally Posted by Valence

idk, probably like it used to go in dungeons before ShB.

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Before shb healers had a lot more damage complexity. That's not the harrowing hell lane, that's the opposite.

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Which is exactly what happens now, which is why people are complaining about glare spamming. Either they need to rework a large portion of content to make healers less of a dps and more of a healer or they add more interesting damage spells so that the gameplay is interesting while you are watching for healing moments.

I'm sure that there are people that pop Plenary Indulgence, Temperance and Lilybell on trash mobs in a dungeon that the entire party is over-geared for but I would think that is a tad overkill. Particularly when the tank is both mitigating and healing (which is the healers job as you mentioned).

Yoshi-P do not change a thing. Actually no, we need at least 3 more AoE healing abilities. I saw a DPS get a splinter and I was never the same afterwards.

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So what are you doing instead of that? Spamming medica 2 or cure 3 because you don't think it's worth using oGCD cooldowns? Personally I use cooldowns every pull liberally so I can spam as much holy as possible and minimize my time spent casting heals. I often go entire dungeons without casting a single GCD heal and that feels optimal because it is optimal. What's wrong with having strong healing? Healing has a very very low skill floor, but also the difference between a healer that is doing the bare minimum and a healer that goes above and beyond is huge. The bar for success is an inch off the ground, but the skill ceiling is extremely high. What's wrong with that? A great healer makes runs way more efficient, probably moreso than any other role in the game. Tanks either tank effectively as possible, tank less than optimal, or fail at their job. Dps do their rotation right or they play poorly or anything in between, the run never really hinges on dps. A great healer changes the entire game for everyone.

Just because you can get by as an underachiever doesn't mean you shouldn't try to do as much as possible. The difference between a healer going above and beyond and a healer doing what it takes to succeed while they suck their thumb watching netflix on a second monitor is huge. If you want to have fun as a healer, try actually utilizing the power you have to the fullest. Then maybe you'll understand why the damage kit is so limited.

They also had tanks to heal through and resources to manage. The whole point is that both the damage complexity lane and the healing complexity lane existed already and people were doing just fine.

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They also had tanks to heal through and resources to manage. The whole point is that both the damage complexity lane and the healing complexity lane existed already and people were doing just fine.

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Well yea if you argue for a return to SB job design then you'll probably not find the healer mains disagreeing. I wouldnt call that the harrowing hell lane however because the way I understand that phrase is to go all in on the current healer job design and then up the damage output from enemies to a level where healers actually do need to burn through your resources just for the party to barely survive.

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So what are you doing instead of that? Spamming medica 2 or cure 3 because you don't think it's worth using oGCD cooldowns? Personally I use cooldowns every pull liberally so I can spam as much holy as possible and minimize my time spent casting heals. I often go entire dungeons without casting a single GCD heal and that feels optimal because it is optimal. What's wrong with having strong healing? Healing has a very very low skill floor, but also the difference between a healer that is doing the bare minimum and a healer that goes above and beyond is huge. The bar for success is an inch off the ground, but the skill ceiling is extremely high. What's wrong with that? A great healer makes runs way more efficient, probably moreso than any other role in the game. Tanks either tank effectively as possible, tank less than optimal, or fail at their job. Dps do their rotation right or they play poorly or anything in between, the run never really hinges on dps. A great healer changes the entire game for everyone.

Just because you can get by as an underachiever doesn't mean you shouldn't try to do as much as possible. The difference between a healer going above and beyond and a healer doing what it takes to succeed while they suck their thumb watching netflix on a second monitor is huge. If you want to have fun as a healer, try actually utilizing the power you have to the fullest. Then maybe you'll understand why the damage kit is so limited.

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I think they are arguing the reverse

Healing is easy you can be half asleep and still maximise your potential

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Originally Posted by Supersnow845

I think they are arguing the reverse

Healing is easy you can be half asleep and still maximise your potential

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We have very different ideas of maximizing your potential I guess. The more I read posts in this forums the more I understand why people complain so much. The problem is that instead of taking accountability you choose to point the finger at the devs.

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Originally Posted by HikariKurosawa

We have very different ideas of maximizing your potential I guess. The more I read posts in this forums the more I understand why people complain so much. The problem is that instead of taking accountability you choose to point the finger at the devs.

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That last line is unintentionally funny. While the forum can be a mix of useful and less useful pots, you either haven't read some of the constructive forum posts, or you have a really strange idea of who is accountable, the consumer or the person who delivers a product.

It's like blaming someone who orders a meal in a restaurant and gets the wrong meal and gets told "deal with it" when they ask to get what they ordered.

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Originally Posted by IDontPetLalas

That last line is unintentionally funny. While the forum can be a mix of useful and less useful pots, you either haven't read some of the constructive forum posts, or you have a really strange idea of who is accountable, the consumer or the person who delivers a product.

It's like blaming someone who orders a meal in a restaurant and gets the wrong meal and gets told "deal with it" when they ask to get what they ordered.

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This is the entitlement I am talking about. I've read plenty of constructive posts and I'm not referring to them. Most of the people complaining are either in the wrong restaurant or fully accountable for their bad experience.

To use your restaurant analogy, it's like someone goes into a sushi restaurant, orders a big mac, and just won't leave. Keeps complaining and blaming the chef, but won't go to the mcdonalds next door. "I like the feeling of this restaurant but I want a big mac! I am really attached to the seat I got and I had to wait a month for reservations!"