Welp, the Xbox version is dead in the water. What were they thinking?

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I mean they aren't wrong, Prior and as of this new CEO taking over XIV has become more predatory. The company has become more predatory lmao. Like we have FF7R, and them holding story behind gatcha games, XIV Putting way more content on the cash shop over just letting us earn it in game. The NFT and Crypto focus the CEO himself has. Not to mention SE losing 2 billion. So while it's not solely FFXIV, SE isn't doing great and charging us more money as a result.

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It's still conjecture in regards to 14. To be fair, 14 has always had tons of cash shop items and fomo, etc. At least to me, nothing has changed on that end.

But back on topic, we were told one thing, and we got another one is about the only solid thing we know, and even then, it could be false. Or the noise between now and whenever the official Xbox version might change it to being free. And that we do have evidence of back when Microsoft tried to hike the rate of Xbox Live. The community said absolutely not loud enough, and Microsoft caved and didn't raise the price. They might've later. I honestly don't care about Microsoft outside of Windows on my PC, but still. Now is the time. Speak with your wallet and shout from the rooftops. Otherwise, pay up. And when they get away with PSN, they will follow as they did with the original Xbox Live.

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It's still conjecture in regards to 14. To be fair, 14 has always had tons of cash shop items and fomo, etc. At least to me, nothing has changed on that end.

But back on topic, we were told one thing, and we got another one is about the only solid thing we know, and even then, it could be false. Or the noise between now and whenever the official Xbox version might change it to being free. And that we do have evidence of back when Microsoft tried to hike the rate of Xbox Live. The community said absolutely not loud enough, and Microsoft caved and didn't raise the price. They might've later. I honestly don't care about Microsoft outside of Windows on my PC, but still. Now is the time. Speak with your wallet and shout from the rooftops. Otherwise, it will just die.

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FFXIV's xbox playerbase will literally be such a tiny tiny minority of people it doesnt even matter, if you think they care you are so wrong, nor are you going to get a "massive uproar" considering it'll make like 0.5% of the game population if even that much. You can speak with your wallet all you want, it wont change the outcome, it's the way it's going to be.

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I think this was the same case when they had FFXI on the 360. You had to have XBL Gold on top of the FFXI sub in order to play it on that console

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I don't remember. I try to forget that game as much as I can.

So I looked it up, and it did not have two subscriptions. Which makes sense. I didn't enjoy what I played, but I definitely wouldn't have paid two subscriptions for it.

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It's still conjecture in regards to 14. To be fair, 14 has always had tons of cash shop items and fomo, etc. At least to me, nothing has changed on that end.

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no, thats conjecture. because youre speaking as if your personal experience is THE experience, and anybody saying otherwise is wrong because you dont notice it. and you dont allow people to come in with examples either you just dismiss it and block. and you did so assuming i was refering to cashshop and the fomo, which isnt even the case or full extent of the issue!

also your comment was unusually hostile and dismissive to myself, but not another person making the exact same claim. i just find that wierd and had to point it out

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It's still conjecture in regards to 14. To be fair, 14 has always had tons of cash shop items and fomo, etc. At least to me, nothing has changed on that end.

But back on topic, we were told one thing, and we got another one is about the only solid thing we know, and even then, it could be false. Or the noise between now and whenever the official Xbox version might change it to being free. And that we do have evidence of back when Microsoft tried to hike the rate of Xbox Live. The community said absolutely not loud enough, and Microsoft caved and didn't raise the price. They might've later. I honestly don't care about Microsoft outside of Windows on my PC, but still. Now is the time. Speak with your wallet and shout from the rooftops. Otherwise, pay up. And when they get away with PSN, they will follow as they did with the original Xbox Live.

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You realize that because you didn't notice the changes, that means they did a good enough job of hiding them right? Like SE is most likely getting paid more money if they are gonna charge ya'll more money, thats how these deals work lmfao.

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I already said it multiple times on this forum and got laughed at for it, the xbox release isnt going to bring that many players to the game, honestly, i'd say compared to the entire playerbase, it'll be barely anything, the people that wanted to play FFXIV for the past few years invested in either a PS4/5 or on a low cost PC (or a decent PC), they had ample time to find a console or PC that works with FFXIV, this xbox release will do nothing to the sub numbers or barely nothing, certain people pretended that "xbox is going to make dynamis be a good dc and bring it to life !!"

let me laugh lol

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I mean Dynamis might get a bit of burst from some free trials from it. It's not going to be anything crazy though.

If anything, it's just going to be a lot of people without keyboards that you'll struggle to guide through dungeons. It'll really just cement our DC as the place you don't want to be if you're serious about doing content, even if it's casual content.

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im curious what ffxiv devs/ yoshi P will say about this, if anything. i have a sad feeling he couldnt stop this going ahead, cemeneted even more by the ceo being at fanfest and shaking his hand while yoshiP smiled uncomfortably. ffxiv becomming squares best selling game was ironically the worst thing to ever happen to it. i want to hope the devs are internally unhappy about these changes being made to the game, and that they dont support them

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Yeah that just seemed so awkward for Yoshi. I know MS really wanted XIV on the platform, but it has always been on their own terms.

I know Yoshi doesn't really have much of an idea of what happens in the game or how the community works outside of JP, but he's still more attuned to it than the rest of SE. It would've been best for them to work with him, rather than pressure him into a deal that put him at the mercy of another big corporation.

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I think this was the same case when they had FFXI on the 360. You had to have XBL Gold on top of the FFXI sub in order to play it on that console

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Actually FFXI on 360 was the only game to somehow dodge needing Xbox Live Gold for online, just a standard Xbox Live Silver account which was every account.

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I mean Dynamis might get a bit of burst from some free trials from it. It's not going to be anything crazy though.

If anything, it's just going to be a lot of people without keyboards that you'll struggle to guide through dungeons. It'll really just cement our DC as the place you don't want to be if you're serious about doing content, even if it's casual content.



Yeah that just seemed so awkward for Yoshi. I know MS really wanted XIV on the platform, but it has always been on their own terms.

I know Yoshi doesn't really have much of an idea of what happens in the game or how the community works outside of JP, but he's still more attuned to it than the rest of SE. It would've been best for them to work with him, rather than pressure him into a deal that put him at the mercy of another big corporation.

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in the end all we can do is let this run its course, let them continue to make bad changes to the game, and then maybe finally when theres hardly anybody left, theyll back off and give it back to yoshiP without the need to peer over it like a hawk. ofcourse, this is all just assumptions that yoshiP isnt okay with all of this, for all we know. he doesnt mind. but. i find that hard to belive given his love for gaming

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You realize that because you didn't notice the changes, that means they did a good enough job of hiding them right? Like SE is most likely getting paid more money if they are gonna charge ya'll more money, thats how these deals work lmfao.

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No, that stuff has been there for years. People were complaining about that new outfit when the Cid outfit had been there for about 5 years, and it's a worse item overall. Abusive Fomo and pay to convince retainers. You act like this is new.

Of course they're a business and it's money.

I feel like you just want to argue, so I'm blocking you as well.

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its honestly a shame. the have some really talented industry giants working there. (nomura, sakaguchi, yokotaro, matsuno, akira toriyama) why not invest in another big franchise instead of these easy cash grabs

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While I agree with you, I think you already answered your own question, my friend. Unfortunately.

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No, that stuff has been there for years. People were complaining about that new outfit when the Cid outfit had been there for about 5 years, and it's a worse item overall. Abusive Fomo and pay to convince retainers. You act like this is new.

Of course they're a business and it's money.

I feel like you just want to argue, so I'm blocking you as well.

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Lmfao, You're being dismissive of us agreeing with you and showing the issues with how SE works, ok my guy

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Lmfao, You're being dismissive of us agreeing with you and showing the issues with how SE works, ok my guy

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What does this have to do with Xbox players having to pay two subscriptions outside of one or both of the companies involved being greedy?

That is why I'm blocking you.

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What does this have to do with Xbox players having to pay two subscriptions outside of one or both of the companies involved being greedy?

That is why I'm blocking you.

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You're on a feed back thread where people can now expose the hipocrisy with how SE has been running and this will be seen by said company. The things bought up are adjacent to SE gouging players for more money, all these things can possibly be fixed if people make a big enough stink, but since you wanna be extra about it have a nice one.

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A friend of mine who's addicted to Gatchas literally doesn't touch SE gatcha games because they die within 2 years.

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Good. I really do wish that predatory nonsense would fall off a cliff and never come back. I left an MMO I'd played for 11 years due to said game committing itself to trying to emulate a smartphone game business model - namely gamble boxes and big-ticket (£300) item bundles.

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Did people actually believe that Xbox was going to be able to pull in a good amount of players?

Pretty sure this was predicted. Apparently the last time they tried to negotiate for XIV on Xbox there were a lot of awkward demands, like MS wanted XIV players on their platform to have their own servers.

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There was at least one person on here insisting FF still had a market on Xbox consoles. But there's really no incentive for PC/PS users to switch to Xbox, especially since you have to repurchase the game. So that cuts out a lot of people.

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Good. I really do wish that predatory nonsense would fall off a cliff and never come back. I left an MMO I'd played for 11 years due to said game committing itself to trying to emulate a smartphone game business model - namely gamble boxes and big-ticket (£300) item bundles.

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what mmo if i may ask ?

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There was at least one person on here insisting FF still had a market on Xbox consoles. But there's really no incentive for PC/PS users to switch to Xbox, especially since you have to repurchase the game. So that cuts out a lot of people.

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there are plenty of xbox people who wanted this game, now ill be surprised if any do

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What does this have to do with Xbox players having to pay two subscriptions outside of one or both of the companies involved being greedy?

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but.. thats.. https://i.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/...93/875/084.png

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You don't know that.

You're spreading misinformation.

Also, fix your captials, spelling, and your punctuation. I hate to be the grammar cop since my grammar isn't the best, but damn. You didn't even try to troll.

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what a goofy goober

I wouldn't even put this wholly on SE, and would put it more on Microsoft.

I can't, and wouldn't expect SE bend the knee and negate subscription cost because it also requires Game Pass, especially when it is their game and especially when Game Pass offers benefits outside of XIV.

Would also go on and say that short of declining the launch on Xbox, then there isn't much that they could do to make Microsoft bend the knee to putting exemption on Game Pass.

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That is really dropping the ball. Especially since Playstation does not need + to play.

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PSN is not free btw...you NEED PlayStation Plus to play online games. I think I pay around $80 a year for PSN Essential. This is choice I make due to how much I play online games with my friends. Plus the 3 free games a month are enough cost justification for me to keep it going as well. I removed PlayStation Deluxe from my subscription, as I had it for a year...the cost just didn't justify the investment. Most of the games on there I already own physically. I still play my PS2 and PS3, and having most of those games physically meant having PS+ Deluxe was kind of pointless. I downgraded before my annual charge and I don't regret it. Maybe if they expand it later I'll look back into it.

FFXIV I pay $19.99 a month and have done so for over 10 years now ($20 when I added more retainers). I enjoy the game and have many friends that still play it. I easily put in around 150 hours a year on this game, and is my only subscription based game.

FFXIV does NOT require you to have a PS+ paid subscription which can be misleading. When PSN goes down...I can't play FFXIV. So that doesn't make sense. Which is something I believe SE has decided possibly with Sony to attract more customers by not having to pay for PS+, but FFXIV needs a PSN Network check prior to playing? Who knows..... Obviously there is some handshake between my PS5 and PSN Network to the FFXIV servers. When PSN goes down or the PSN server farts during login...I can't play.

The Game Pass issue imo is probably due to Microsoft wanting customers on their console side of gaming and in addition to fork over that cold hard cash . I'll never understand Microsofts' business model in gaming. They will come at you clean dressed, with Car Salesmen lingo, and act like your friend in order to give the "look" that they can be trusted in selling "products". They tout how amazing XBOX is, but yet offer only XBOX game pass as the premier thing to have if you want fully enjoy their gaming experience. Which is where the problem lies. I haven't enjoyed an XBOX exclusive title since maybe Gears of War 2 and Halo 3. After that I can just get it on PC. I ditched Microsoft after the 360 era when I saw how AWFUL the XBOX 1 was going to turn out to be with that infamous E3....to which Microsoft did a LITERAL about face on ALL of what the XBOX 1 was saying is "the right direction for the gamer"...the gamer in me saw through that bullshit IMMEDIATLY. What did it for me was the DRM and needing to stay connected to the internet to even play OFFLINE games....so no more sharing with my friends...ok. Then Sony comes out with a HAYMAKER of an ad...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kWSIFh8ICaA

This single handedly SUNK XBOX for me....and pretty much made my decision to get a PS4 at launch and NOT an XBOX 1. Phil Spencer in all of his wisdom had but one choice to keep XBOX alive...focus on backwards compatibility...then that morphed into Game Pass...and now it's all XBOX has....until they expanded Game Pass to PC....This was the final nail in the coffin for XBOX imo.

I actually got an XBOX One S as a promotion when I bought my wife some jewelry at Kay's Jewelry for Christmas one year. They literally through it in with a $500 purchase, and I was kind of confused about it, but I took it home anyway. Set it up...found my old XBOX live account, and got game pass...I think I had the 1 S for maybe....a year? Sold it to a guy on Facebook that wanted to game but lost his job and sold everything to pay bills, so I gave it to him for like $100. The smile on the guys face brought me more enjoyment then the XBOX ever could, he even game me a hug...a total stranger. That's how much a FREE XBOX meant to me...granted it was an S...but still...I had a PC and PS4, Switch at the time.

Game Pass is also on PC, but yet MOST PC gamers (myself included) have steam...Steam costs NOTHING to use. It's just a video game hub/shop, but I get to CHOOSE what I want. Game Pass decides for you with a collection of games and I would say 40% of what I had on Game Pass...was garbage...Sony isn't immune to this either to some extent.

So if Microsoft wants to expand their gaming on XBOX and get some SERIOUS numbers...they need to make Game Pass more like Steam and ditch the cost attached. A Game Hub where I can purchase PC/XBOX games at the crazy steam discounts we are used to. This way I can play online...collect my games...play on PC or XBOX whichever I choose....and build my library of games I want. I buy it on PC...play it there....or XBOX...doesn't matter. I don't need 100 titles where maybe 1/2 of those are good. I didn't like Game Pass when I had it, and I don't miss my XBOX at all. PC, PS5, and Switch pretty much let me play everything on the market. Microsofts XBOX division has no idea how to sell an XBOX to people that already have a PC. If you have a PC...you pretty much have and XBOX...don't waste $500...if you don't have a PC...then maybe. But if Microsoft wants to sell more XBOX's...then they need to GET IN GEAR if they want to be competitive with market share. The XBOX series X/S is shaping up to be one of the WORST generations for XBOX.

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what mmo if i may ask ?

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A terrible one

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There are plenty of xbox people who wanted this game, now ill be surprised if any do

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It'll be interesting to see how hard they press the advertising for this, because - as things stand (and assuming there isn't something in the small print) - it's hard to see how they could put much of a positive spin on something like this.

So, some information that might have already been said (apologies, didn’t read every page). Hopefully this will help frame why it is the way it is.


1) There is a lot of power-playing/posturing in place between companies.
While I can’t speak to details, there is a good chance SE negotiated w/ Sony to get no additional fees in exchange for exclusive titles/delayed release on non-PlayStation platforms.

In a real world example, Fortnite users don’t need a Switch online sub to play it because Nintendo really really wanted it on their system, enough that Fortnite was able to deny Nintendo rights to a percent of micro transaction sales outright (indeed, you can’t even purchase vbucks on switch; or at least you couldn't..I haven't really kept up with Epic vs Nintendo).

2) Xbox just isn’t a thing in Japan, really.
Outside of major major cities (like Tokyo), electronics stores don’t even sell xbox games or accessories. Switch and PS all day long, including off the wall crazy stuff. I don’t even remember the last time I saw an xbox and I’m in the equivalent of like.. Boston or Austin in USA (aka big but not NYC or LA).

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Star Trek online


It'll be interesting to see how hard they press the advertising for this, because - as things stand (and assuming there isn't something in the small print) - it's hard to see how they could put much of a positive spin on something like this.

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lodestone post sevral weeks from now saying it was a communication error. or.. lodestone post sevral weeks from now doubling down

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Game Pass is also on PC, but yet MOST PC gamers (myself included) have steam...Steam costs NOTHING to use. It's just a video game hub/shop, but I get to CHOOSE what I want. Game Pass decides for you with a collection of games and I would say 40% of what I had on Game Pass...was garbage...Sony isn't immune to this either to some extent.

So if Microsoft wants to expand their gaming on XBOX and get some SERIOUS numbers...they need to make Game Pass more like Steam and ditch the cost attached. A Game Hub where I can purchase PC/XBOX games at the crazy steam discounts we are used to. This way I can play online...collect my games...play on PC or XBOX whichever I choose....and build my library of games I want. I buy it on PC...play it there....or XBOX...doesn't matter. I don't need 100 titles where maybe 1/2 of those are good. I didn't like Game Pass when I had it, and I don't miss my XBOX at all. PC, PS5, and Switch pretty much let me play everything on the market. Microsofts XBOX division has no idea how to sell an XBOX to people that already don't have a PC. If you have a PC...you pretty much have and XBOX...don't waste $500...if you don't have a PC...then maybe.

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Two things: From what I've read Game Pass has been very successful for Microsoft from the financial documents they published they raked in $2b back in 2021 from GP alone. 2. Literally every Microsoft game is on Steam, You can buy it there instead of ranting about Game Pass on a Japanese Video game forum. They get to have their cake and eat it.

I am with holding judgement until after the beta. They got the beta restricted to trials and new accounts. So in a way they are testing the waters with the game pass knowledge now out. Seeing how many people are going to jump on board before the ship sets sail. If the numbers dont look promising MS may drop the gamepass entirely.

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I am with holding judgement until after the beta. They got the beta restricted to trials and new accounts. So in a way they are testing the waters with the game pass knowledge now out. Seeing how many people are going to jump on board before the ship sets sail. If the numbers dont look promising MS may drop the gamepass entirely.

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People are also missing the point that Game Pass already has a fairly large install base with Xbox players who use online services.

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its honestly a shame. they have some really talented industry giants working there. (nomura, sakaguchi, yokotaro, matsuno, akira toriyama) why not invest in another big franchise instead of these easy cash grabs

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Sakaguchi, Yoko Taro, Matsuno and Akira Toriyama aren't SE employees. Sakaguchi has his own studio and hasn't worked with SE since Mistwalker was founded. Yoko Taro and Matsuno are freelancers. Akira Toriyama only works with Armor Project.

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Two things: From what I've read Game Pass has been very successful for Microsoft from the financial documents they published they raked in $2b back in 2021 from GP alone. 2. Literally every Microsoft game is on Steam, You can buy it there instead of ranting about Game Pass on a Japanese Video game forum. They get to have their cake and eat it.

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Yes I agree...I was pointing out the fact of why need an XBOX at all if you have a PC.

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Yes I agree...I was pointing out the fact of why need an XBOX at all if you have a PC.

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Cheaper price of entry and it's a lot more plug-and-play than a PC.

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Sakaguchi, Yoko Taro, Matsuno and Akira Toriyama aren't SE employees. Sakaguchi has his own studio and hasn't worked with SE since Mistwalker was founded. Yoko Taro and Matsuno are freelancers. Akira Toriyama only works with Armor Project.

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People are also missing the point that Game Pass already has a fairly large install base with Xbox players who use online services.

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But how many are willing to pay for a second service just to play a MMO? Playstation players and PC are not double dipping to play FF.

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I wouldn't even put this wholly on SE, and would put it more on Microsoft.

I can't, and wouldn't expect SE bend the knee and negate subscription cost because it also requires Game Pass, especially when it is their game and especially when Game Pass offers benefits outside of XIV.

Would also go on and say that short of declining the launch on Xbox, then there isn't much that they could do to make Microsoft bend the knee to putting exemption on Game Pass.

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I'm sure Microsoft told SE they won't allow it on their console unless Gamepass is mandatory, yeah. But they should've just not released it then. I'm really disappointed in SE and YoshiP both.

My PC can't run XIV particularly well and I was worried the graphics update would make it borderline unplayable, so I got an Xbox during a black friday sale thinking, "200 dollars for a console thats more powerful than my PC isn't bad!" Now i don't know if i'll even get the game on xbox at all. I can't afford a better PC right now and likely won't be able to until after DT launches. But gamepass being mandatory actively makes me not want to buy it there.

Funny enough? I do pay for Game Pass right now. there's a lot of games on there i've always wanted to try as someone who didn't grow up with an xbox. the series S is my first ever microsoft console. Maybe when I've exhausted the games I wanted to try i will cancel it, since cloud saves are free on xbox. But just the fact I'd NEED GP to play is completely ridiculous. Unless they do something crazy like making the game free to play on Xbox if you have a GP subscription, the whole "DT on Xbox" plan is cancelled on my end. Thanks SE.

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But how many are willing to pay for a second service just to play a MMO? Playstation players and PC are not double dipping to play FF.

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I wouldn't even put this wholly on SE, and would put it more on Microsoft.

I can't, and wouldn't expect SE bend the knee and negate subscription cost because it also requires Game Pass, especially when it is their game and especially when Game Pass offers benefits outside of XIV.

Would also go on and say that short of declining the launch on Xbox, then there isn't much that they could do to make Microsoft bend the knee to putting exemption on Game Pass.

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But they have bended knee on multiple times to Nintendo's and SOny's whims just like this in the past. This is very much how SE has always handled their relationships with console companies. It's why for so long the SE Sony exclusivity deal was such a huge deal, it's why it was constantly talked about. SE has had multiple devs say they wanna do games for other consoles and to reach more fans only to have a console deal be the main reason why that doesnt happen.

Now keep in Mind SE has lost 2 billion in Value, it only makes sense to play ball and make money on the main thing keeping your companies lights on, and to take the deal.

https://i.imgur.com/7zebjgJ.png

I assume this is trying to say "The beta won't let you log in to your regular account, so if you have an account and try to play you'll screw up your Mircrosoft account to be forever unlinkable to your main FFXIV account"?

I bet there's going to be more people that accidentally screw up their account forever than there are people who have never played the game and play it for the first time on Xbox.

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I'm sure Microsoft told SE they won't allow it on their console unless Gamepass is mandatory, yeah. But they should've just not released it then. I'm really disappointed in SE and YoshiP both.

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Not releasing it because of Microsoft insisting on Game Pass would accomplish what for SE?

Nothing. No one is going to praise them for sticking to a principle that almost no one cares about in this age of multiple subscription services for entertainment.

There are over 30 million Xbox owners subscribed to Game Pass according to end of 2023 reports. It's hard for a Triple A game developer to pass up such a large number.

If there's going to be any backlash from Xbox players, it's going to be at Xbox and not SE. They're the ones requiring the additional fee on top of what SE charges all its players. SE isn't the one forcing it. Players still have the option of playing through PS4/5 or PC/Mac if they don't want to have to pay the Game Pass fee.

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You can't even really say that SE cares at this point. PC doesn't require any sub to play online. PlayStation made a deal where they didn't have to have PlayStation plus to play xiv. How is this different? If SE cared then Microsoft players wouldnt be having to double dip just to play. The "beta" servers are going to be the live servers of the game. Not some exclusive Xbox beta servers. So if people without gamepass can play a trial then they could easily have people play the full game just the same. It's not some infrastructure or spaghetti code thing on Microsofts end either. It's just greedy. And SE is just as responsible for allowing it to happen this way.

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I think you might be missing a bit of history based on your comments.

Square didn't make a deal with Sony to bypass PlayStation+ to play online because it never had to, it made it just under the wire dodging this. ARR launched on in summer 2013 for PS3, Sony didn't start requiring you to pay for PS+ to play online until it's PS4 generation came out, and Square didn't support PS4 play until Heavensward (and didn't make PS4 required to play the game until 2017 with Stormblood)

FFXIV was basically enabled to be grandfathered into Sony's old system of doing things where you didn't have to pay to access online games since it was running on PS3 rules for the first four years of its existence. Sony might have been able to try to force Square's hand in the years since, but Square really does have the upper hand here where they could tell Sony they'd just refuse to publish games on their platform if they pull this move... and since Square was one of the big developers that made Sony what is is, Sony is likely to give Square what they want.

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Not releasing it because of Microsoft insisting on Game Pass would accomplish what for SE?

Nothing. No one is going to praise them for sticking to a principle that almost no one cares about in this age of multiple subscription services for entertainment.

There are over 30 million Xbox owners subscribed to Game Pass according to end of 2023 reports. It's hard for a Triple A game developer to pass up such a large number.

If there's going to be any backlash from Xbox players, it's going to be at Xbox and not SE. They're the ones requiring the additional fee on top of what SE charges all its players. SE isn't the one forcing it. Players still have the option of playing through PS4/5 or PC/Mac if they don't want to have to pay the Game Pass fee.

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I understand what you mean. I don't think it's accurate to say "no one" would though. People always cited that very reason for it not being on Xbox yet. And people are upset about it now. But you're right, SE is a business, and as transparent as YoshiP tries to be he is still a business man. This only benefits SE and Microsoft both. It just sucks it is the way it is.

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Originally Posted by Ardeth

"The Free Trial version, including the open beta test, will not require an Xbox Game Pass (Core or Ultimate) plan to play. However, the full Xbox Series X|S version will require an Xbox Game Pass (Core or Ultimate) plan to play."

This bothers me. I lost my linked PSN account. Unfortunately, ticket after ticket won't let me recover it. I've made peace with that. Luckily, I also have an Xbox. Now I don't care. Good job messing that up. Now, two subscriptions are required to play on the Xbox unless you're on the Free Trial...

You really messed up on this one. I wouldn't be surprised if this is discontinued after a time.

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For many years, they didn't make an Xbox version because it would require a Game pass or a subscription like a PS+, only for the game to be released with it

Well done YoshiP.

For those blaming Yoshi....he does have a boss you know someone with more power and say then Yoshi himself. Could be his boss made the call and not Yoshi.

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Originally Posted by NanaWiloh

For those blaming Yoshi....he does have a boss you know someone with more power and say then Yoshi himself. Could be his boss made the call and not Yoshi.

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The reason why it usually goes to Yoshida is because of his board position. But this was most likely a talking point for the board and they most likely all agreed even if he didn't since majority rules in these types of cases. Yoshida is also on record not wanting to be on the board anymore for SE so.