Okay they weren't lying about the relic

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Originally Posted by Bonoki

Or we're just being realistic that this doesn't happen a lot. I asked 5 of my discord friends and they each said they have never made friends from a roulette. Its one if those sounds nice on paper but doesn't happen a lot situations.

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I don't believe they said it happens a lot, they said THEY do it. Haven't seen the reason for saying it doesn't happen/happen often. Let's debate about things that were actually said.

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Originally Posted by Stormpeaks

yeah let me just be done with my roulette on sargatanas and then go over to adamantoise to send a message to this random person from a roulette, that's totally normal behavior

seriously ? lmao

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How is it not normal? Uncommon? Rare? Totally agree. Not normal? Weird? Creepy? That perspective is on you unfortunately.

How do you make friends in real life? Striking up conversations with a random person more often than not.

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Originally Posted by Bonoki

Ill try this tonight when I get home and see how it goes

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tbf even if it does go well, it doesnt matter to me, I aint gonna hunt people down after roulettes to pretend that they are a social experience, it's a speedrun with literally 0 difficulty, these people are actually not right in their minds to think it's okay, it's creep behavior and it just shows how desensitized people are in this community

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Originally Posted by SilverObi

I don't believe they said it happens a lot, they said THEY do it. Haven't seen the reason for saying it doesn't happen/happen often. Let's debate about things that were actually said.



How is it not normal? Uncommon? Rare? Totally agree. Not normal? Weird? Creepy? That perspective is on you unfortunately.

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As someone who was stalked and harassed on EU for over a year and a half, yeah that aint right, sorry not sorry.

If after roulette I get a dm from some random person from the roulette, I'll question why they are in my private messages, and rightfully so

if you want engaging content, go play ultimates

Watching the Fanfest in Japan earlier this month, Yoshi-P stated the team really enjoyed working on the Hildibrand content (and that it ate up a large chunk of the cutscene budget, which is not surprising, haha)- he said the team still wants to keep doing hildibrand for the foreseeable future - but at the same time, it also sounded like that was the end of doing Relics that way as well- because they brought up the topic of how people really wanted content like Eureka and Save The Queen field operations to return; so he said they'll be bringing that type of content back.

So there is some hope for Relics going back to that happy medium that we saw in Eureka and Save The Queen.

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Originally Posted by Arlythe

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When I want mindless grinding, I might as well play WoW

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You realize that regardless of how you farm tomes, it's most likely mindless grinding right?

Grinding is the act of doing something over and over again. Spamming roulettes for tomes? Grinding. Spamming any tome dungeon/trial? Grinding. The list pretty much goes on and on.

Don't lie about the status of the content, just admit you have preferences.

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Originally Posted by Stormpeaks

As someone who was stalked and harassed on EU for over a year and a half, yeah that aint right, sorry not sorry.

If after roulette I get a dm from some random person from the roulette, I'll question why they are in my private messages, and rightfully so

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Your personal experience, while regrettable, isn't the sole outcome possible of talking to randos after doing stuff in a video game. Don't paint your perspective as the only way things work and laugh at others who have different positive experiences.

You all play nice and try not to quibble over technicalities instead of focusing on actual points, got errands to run. Have fun~

They turned the relic into Tome Weapon v2. Seriously, if you didn't like the relic in previous expansions, you did not have to do it. People that enjoyed the grind from previous iterations should not have the content stripped away just because you want to get your relic by doing dailies inbetween your erp sessions :(.

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Originally Posted by TomsYoungerBro

They turned the relic into Tome Weapon v2. Seriously, if you didn't like the relic in previous expansions, you did not have to do it. People that enjoyed the grind from previous iterations should not have the content stripped away just because you want to get your relic by doing dailies inbetween your erp sessions :(.

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But you can do Bozja
You can do Eureka
Deep dungeons, Island Sanctuary, etc etc, all still in the game.

The content is not removed from the game. We have plenty of other stuff you can play, there are other rewards you can get from these things besides relic weapons. So again, please explain what is lost? To say they're hard is not very true, they just require more time. To say this time proves something it really doesn't. Nothing is lost, nothing is even really gained at all.

At this point it just feels like complaining for the sake of something to complain.

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Originally Posted by DisasterGayofCrisis

But you can do Bozja
You can do Eureka
Deep dungeons, Island Sanctuary, etc etc, all still in the game.

The content is not removed from the game. We have plenty of other stuff you can play, there are other rewards you can get from these things besides relic weapons. So again, please explain what is lost? To say they're hard is not very true, they just require more time. To say this time proves something it really doesn't. Nothing is lost, nothing is even really gained at all.

At this point it just feels like complaining for the sake of something to complain.

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You mean just like you didn't have to do relics if you didn't want to do the content ?

Sounds about right.

Oh but when it's in a way that benefits what you want it's okay but not the other, makes sense.

Just like you say people can do Eureka or bozja if they want, you could just..... not do the content if you didn't like it.

Crazy I know.

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Originally Posted by DisasterGayofCrisis

But you can do Bozja
You can do Eureka
Deep dungeons, Island Sanctuary, etc etc, all still in the game.

The content is not removed from the game. We have plenty of other stuff you can play, there are other rewards you can get from these things besides relic weapons. So again, please explain what is lost? To say they're hard is not very true, they just require more time. To say this time proves something it really doesn't. Nothing is lost, nothing is even really gained at all.

At this point it just feels like complaining for the sake of something to complain.

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This is 100% disingenuous or willful ignorance. What was lost was content like Eureka and Bozja that wasn't implemented this expansion. You also fail to comprehend that players making this complaint were looking forward to new content to grind because they have already completed the relic grinds from the previous expansions, but instead, they just handed in the 1,500 tomes they already had rotting in their inventory and will now have nothing to do for 6 months in the game unless they missed doing something in previous expansions that did actually give more content to players they want to go finish.

At this point, it just feels like you're gaslighting others.

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Originally Posted by Stormpeaks

You mean just like you didn't have to do relics if you didn't want to do the content ?

Sounds about right.

Oh but when it's in a way that benefits what you want it's okay but not the other, makes sense.

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Please don't try to gaslight me. I even said, in this very thread, I enjoyed what I've done with Eureka and various other side content, I enjoy doing dungeons so even the ARR relic quests weren't a big deal. Again, I am still waiting to hear what is lost by not tying one specific thing to exploratory zones when there are still a ton of other rewards and reasons to play in these zones, so again what is lost? Why is the longer timesink the more reasonable choice for relics as opposed to just doing roulettes? Because again, the content isn't harder or more demanding in the way ultimates are, they're just more of a time sink.

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Originally Posted by Ath192

This is 100% disingenuous or willful ignorance. What was lost was content like Eureka and Bozja that wasn't implemented this expansion. You also fail to comprehend that players making this complaint were looking forward to new content to grind because they have already completed the relic grinds from the previous expansions, but instead, they just handed in the 1,500 tomes they already had rotting in their inventory and will now have nothing to do for 6 months in the game unless they missed doing something in previous expansions that did actually give more content to players they want to go finish.

At this point, it just feels like you're gaslighting others.

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Thank you, actually losing hope here lol

Relic was easier to get than the actual tome weapons baring the Exquisite versions

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Originally Posted by DisasterGayofCrisis

But you can do Bozja
You can do Eureka
Deep dungeons, Island Sanctuary, etc etc, all still in the game.

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Thats good news!

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The content is not removed from the game. We have plenty of other stuff you can play, there are other rewards you can get from these things besides relic weapons. So again, please explain what is lost?

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What is lost is the additional relic reward from doing them...? That's like saying they can remove tome rewards from dungeons because you get gear drops from them!! >.>. Also IIRC we did not get an exploratory zone this expac that was tied to the relic story. Instead, the relic story was tied to a short-film.

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To say they're hard is not very true, they just require more time. To say this time proves something it really doesn't. Nothing is lost, nothing is even really gained at all.

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didn't say they were hard or proved anything, so I agree I guess? To say nothing was lost though is just false.

All of this is irrelevant since I'm pretty sure they already said we're getting a new explo zone in DT which the relic (if we follow patterns) should be tied behind.

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Originally Posted by DisasterGayofCrisis

Please don't try to gaslight me. I even said, in this very thread, I enjoyed what I've done with Eureka and various other side content, I enjoy doing dungeons so even the ARR relic quests weren't a big deal. Again, I am still waiting to hear what is lost by not tying one specific thing to exploratory zones when there are still a ton of other rewards and reasons to play in these zones, so again what is lost? Why is the longer timesink the more reasonable choice for relics as opposed to just doing roulettes? Because again, the content isn't harder or more demanding in the way ultimates are, they're just more of a time sink.

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Relics were meant to be timesinks and grindy from the start. It was always this way until EW. You can argue whatever you want but that is what they were meant to be.
In EW the devs decided to unmake the game from every last bit of mmorpg and dregs of previous designs to suit the zoomer mindset of 0 commitment and instant reward.
Will they do it again? Most likely because you can't go back now that they have done it once because the metrics are all that matters now and good and interesting design is not allowed

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Originally Posted by Ath192

This is 100% disingenuous or willful ignorance. What was lost was content like Eureka and Bozja that wasn't implemented this expansion. You also fail to comprehend that players making this complaint were looking forward to new content to grind because they have already completed the relic grinds from the previous expansions, but instead, they just handed in the 1,500 tomes they already had rotting in their inventory and will now have nothing to do for 6 months in the game unless they missed doing something in previous expansions that did actually give more content to players they want to go finish.

At this point, it just feels like you're gaslighting others.

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We have Variant Dungeons, we have Island Sanctuary, we have so much content still in the game so again what's lost? Just because we didn't another Eureka or Bozja doesn't mean anything, especially when they did not promise that Eureka and Bozja were the new standards for post-expansion content. This is once more not specifying a reason for why one time sink is more important than a precieved other one. If I saw arguments for relics being assigned to island sanctuary sure, I could understand since it wouldn't make sense but again, no content has been removed, no real difficulty altered, it's literally just moving something from a time sink to something most players do on a daily to weekly basis already.

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Originally Posted by Solakor

Relics were meant to be timesinks and grindy from the start. It was always this way until EW. You can argue whatever you want but that is what they were meant to be.
In EW the devs decided to unmake the game from every last bit of mmorpg and dregs of previous designs to suit the zoomer mindset of 0 commitment and instant reward.
Will they do it again? Most likely because you can't go back now that they have done it once because the metrics are all that matters now and good and interesting design is not allowed

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There is a whole game of hundreds of hours worth of playtime to do between past and new content. Removing relics from a timesink really doesn't make the game worse nor does it really remove the need to commit to something. There are still other things to commit to in the game. Mounts, minions, titles, etc etc. We have plenty of content in the game and moving relics from something doesn't effect it.

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Originally Posted by LianaThorne

All of this is irrelevant since I'm pretty sure they already said we're getting a new explo zone in DT which the relic (if we follow patterns) should be tied behind.

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Well you know sometimes it's good to just really drive home the point this sucked in a major way so they never think of doing this again. They may as well remove the relics all together because as stated above, the tome weapons were already harder to get anyways.

Heck, progging Alo Alo to augment the tome weapon may as well be the real relic in Endwalker.

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Originally Posted by DisasterGayofCrisis

We have Variant Dungeons, we have Island Sanctuary, we have so much content still in the game so again what's lost? Just because we didn't another Eureka or Bozja doesn't mean anything, especially when they did not promise that Eureka and Bozja were the new standards for post-expansion content. This is once more not specifying a reason for why one time sink is more important than a precieved other one. If I saw arguments for relics being assigned to island sanctuary sure, I could understand since it wouldn't make sense but again, no content has been removed, no real difficulty altered, it's literally just moving something from a time sink to something most players do on a daily to weekly basis already.

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Yeah... you are never going to understand then. Good chatting with ya! I'm glad you think nothings wrong.

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Originally Posted by LianaThorne

All of this is irrelevant since I'm pretty sure they already said we're getting a new explo zone in DT which the relic (if we follow patterns) should be tied behind.

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They said we're getting new field operations but they haven't wither or not relic will be attached. It very well could be operations with another round of tome relics.

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Originally Posted by DisasterGayofCrisis

We have Variant Dungeons, we have Island Sanctuary, we have so much content still in the game so again what's lost? Just because we didn't another Eureka or Bozja doesn't mean anything, especially when they did not promise that Eureka and Bozja were the new standards for post-expansion content. This is once more not specifying a reason for why one time sink is more important than a precieved other one. If I saw arguments for relics being assigned to island sanctuary sure, I could understand since it wouldn't make sense but again, no content has been removed, no real difficulty altered, it's literally just moving something from a time sink to something most players do on a daily to weekly basis already.

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Honestly you are right. Everyone, its time to remove achievements from the game. The content is already there, so who cares if you do 50,000 ocean fishings? Just give me the rewards while i do dailies :P.


What was lost was the Relic journey. The grind that the playerbase as a whole was doing while progressing what will eventually be the best weapon from the expansion. Even before exploration zones there were groups doing light/anima farms for their weapons and whatnot. I still remember in shb people had those parties up on a once-off occassion. Now we just login on patch day, turn in our 1500 tomes that we already have, and logout :(.

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Originally Posted by DisasterGayofCrisis

We have Variant Dungeons, we have Island Sanctuary, we have so much content still in the game so again what's lost? Just because we didn't another Eureka or Bozja doesn't mean anything, especially when they did not promise that Eureka and Bozja were the new standards for post-expansion content. This is once more not specifying a reason for why one time sink is more important than a precieved other one. If I saw arguments for relics being assigned to island sanctuary sure, I could understand since it wouldn't make sense but again, no content has been removed, no real difficulty altered, it's literally just moving something from a time sink to something most players do on a daily to weekly basis already.



There is a whole game of hundreds of hours worth of playtime to do between past and new content. Removing relics from a timesink really doesn't make the game worse nor does it really remove the need to commit to something. There are still other things to commit to in the game. Mounts, minions, titles, etc etc. We have plenty of content in the game and moving relics from something doesn't effect it.

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I'm assuming you didn't see my post but this is going to be a thing in DT probably so might want to make peace with the grind.

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Originally Posted by Eisi

I only care about the glamour, is there a matte version?

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no, there isnt

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Originally Posted by Bonoki

They said we're getting new field operations but they haven't wither or not relic will be attached. It very well could be operations with another round of tome relics.

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I wouldn't see the point of that since Eureka and Bozja have both been hubs for relic. I think Square makes some weird choices but I don't think they would throw in an explo zone without a relic...otherwise we could have just gotten that with Endwalker and had some form of Eureka gear in there without the weapon/a zone purely used for leveling from 80-90.

Lmao we are literally talking to a void. Disaster doesn't care about what we are trying to say. All they want is the relic for free and are trying to veil it behind these weird mind games

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Originally Posted by Ath192

Yeah... you are never going to understand then. Good chatting with ya! I'm glad you think nothings wrong.

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They never do, it's why I respond once then never again. These people won't stop until everything is brought down to their negative skill level.

I think the graphical update is to blame. it's their priority and contents are neglected because of it.

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Originally Posted by Banriikku

With this argument Ultimats should not have their own rewards or PVP or anything. With this logic i should be able to play triple triad to get Ultimate weapons and majong for Savage gear and chocobo races for pvp rewards. Thats not how this is working... at all. Content has rewards and you need to play said content to get them. If you dont like/want content then NO REWARD from said content. Example: I dont play ultimates so i dont get those weapons. I play Ultimates i get the weapons.

Next is Bojza is not mindless. If you dont like it its one thing but calling it mindless is personal BS nothing more. I like Eureka and Bozja but dislike Gold Saucer all together. Does this mean Goldsaucer is bad ? No, i just dislike this kind of content.. for that matter the Fall Guys Event was not fun for me. I think the quality was/is (there will be another one right aka Fall Guys comes back?) was good dispite the fact that i dislike the game-mode and the promoted game.

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I'll have to kindly disagree.
You can't compare the farming of the same mobs over and over and over again with ultimate content, which actually involves skill, investment, a well adjusted group, communication and discipline.

I find it discouraging when all I have to show for 200+ hours of grinding non challenging stuff is a weapon that is 5 levels higher than my previous one.

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Originally Posted by Yuella

I think the graphical update is to blame. it's their priority and contents are neglected because of it.

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They can hire more developers but as that would take money away from one Square Enix failure after another, it's easy to see why they won't.

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Originally Posted by SerephinaBlossom

Should of made the relic 660 ilvl and make people actually do savage content better yet make the high end raiders feel rewarded rather then wait to have it replaced,
Do savage or spend 6000 tomes, a massive slap in the face to all people who did the tier. Be proud casual Players you don't deserve it.

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Welcome to every relic since 2013.


Slap in the face lmao.

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Originally Posted by Arlythe

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When I want mindless grinding, I might as well play WoW

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You mean the MMO with a solid raid tier, great replayable content, and meaninful ways to earn gear while keeping your work schedule in mind and not making your play all day long to just feel rewarded. That was XIV two expansions ago. Now XIV is just FF16 with weaker graphics lmao

In my whole time playing XIV(2-3 years now) i've only added one person after a roulette, and that was because we both would grind mentor and find each other more often than not, and when it did it pretty much meant a fast dungeon, along both sharing solo DD title so that would add quite the conversation

Now while talking about said social aspect Eureka and Bozja are if not better the best place in this game to work along community

In Eureka having to constantly move around, people calling elementals, fates with/or fate trains, forcefully doing groups, resurrection missions to avoid people loosing levels with the cherry on top being Baldesion arsenal, an instance that requires communication, guidance and work of over 48 people
I could tell about that one time on a rez mission like 4 of us ended up dying on the Pagos cliff, how me and another guy almost didn't make it after a dragon on Pyros and only because a lala that was highly underleved for the area we were SLEPT IT or that one time we killed Luigi with mere 3 seconds on the clock

Bozja? Hell even more

Forced again to constantly do parties for the bosses, people farming clusters together, the duels with always a great audience cheering the one dueling (before cheesing was a thing ofc) with but a reward for everyone if the duel is won
And of course again, both Dalriada and Castrum, with ONCE AGAIN having to make parties, mantaining a constant communication between the two sides on the bosses health, again communication for the rescues, the switches with the lasers while 3 parties have to be split

From here i'll just put a single story of how (again) a lala on Zadnor, area 1, had no one helping him to spawn fates for it because everyone just goes to area 3, so i just helped him tirelessly
I'm proud to say he's a person that now really looks foward to me and him reaching the point of going from semi-casual to an ultimate raider is a thing i can say

Exploratory zones are more than just relics, it groups the community together

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Originally Posted by Reap00

I look forward to an ultra grindy Dawntrail relic so I can watch these forums erupt into tears all day and night. Yoshi hears your feedback. Enjoy what is coming.

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I'm ready and I'm waiting for it

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Originally Posted by Yuella

I think the graphical update is to blame. it's their priority and contents are neglected because of it.

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Possibly, as criticizable Endwalker is,I do hope it was just a push for Dawntrail. A transition from what happened before and what will happen next.

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Originally Posted by Reap00

I look forward to an ultra grindy Dawntrail relic so I can watch these forums erupt into tears all day and night. Yoshi hears your feedback. Enjoy what is coming.

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If they played as hard as they cried, they would have all the relics from every expansion and ARR by now.

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Originally Posted by Yuella

I think the graphical update is to blame. it's their priority and contents are neglected because of it.

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This is the one good decision they made recently, and the only reason why a ton of people are not unsubbing if I had to guess. I am one of them. If I wasn't curious how much better this game is going to look going forward I'd be hanging up my weapons. It's not like a new bozja would be reason enough to stay for another expansion. Let's be honest.

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Originally Posted by strawberrycake

You mean the MMO with a solid raid tier, great replayable content, and meaninful ways to earn gear while keeping your work schedule in mind and not making your play all day long to just feel rewarded. That was XIV two expansions ago. Now XIV is just FF16 with weaker graphics lmao

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Solid raid tier, yes. Replayable content, yes, until they patch it out of the game like mage tower, certain raid achievements and timed events, or they keep it in and remove the reward from it like the title you earned for achieving green fire as a lock. Meaningful ways to earn gear how? Crafting is, at least up until dragonflight, a joke. As a PVP player more often than bit you were forced to play PVE for BiS items. M+ chest can be nice, until you pull the same shoulder pads for the fifth week in a row (actually happened to me). It might have improved in DF, I haven't played that.

But saying it's keeping work scheduled in mind, that just tells me you haven't played it.
There's so many things in wow that just keeps you busy just for the sake of it.

Wanna traverse? Finish the campaign first or no flight for you. Run on a ground mount, get dazed, get mounted off, you have to kill a mob and spend your time fighting. Wanna pick a node, clear the mob first. Almost killed the mob? Oh look, it runs off and aggros his friends. Wanna raid? Here's 20 mob packs to clear before you can even try that boss. And the best is, it respawns after 5 trys \o/
Wanna do questing? An estimated 80% of quests involve, you guessed it, fighting mobs that pose no threat to you other steal your time, often involved with low quest item drop chances so you can fight even more mobs. Hell, even quests that just need you to pick up certain items have roaming, fast respawning mobs that take even more off your time. Same applied to dailies.
And on top of that they even cap every single thing in the game so you don't overgrind. And if you dare to take off a month or two, you're miles behind in terms of artifact power/soul ash/whatever token.

I don't mind grinding, but it should be in a way that makes it interesting. Gimme small rewards inbetween. Gimmicks, Emotes, Glam, whatever. But to me, a relic weapon should be easily accessible and usable. Lock certain glams for it behind achievements or something, but the item itself shouldn't be hidden behind a grind of the Bozja magnitude.

But hey, I know i'm probably alone with this sentiment.

I just started getting the remaining ARR relics I don't have yet and it's so nice to be doing a relic quest again. The now nerfed ARR quest has a perfect balance of providing something to do but not too much grinding. To bad I can't get one for half the existing jobs because the devs never bothered adding older relic weapons for them.

The manderville relic is not even in my mind anymore. I just dump my tomes and buy some rocks when I'm about to hit cap. It's also hard to get excited about the DT relic knowing that we're not getting a proper relic quest like in ARR/HW.

Crying about grind in an MMO is like crying about the first person perspective in a FPS. Oh well, no subscription left behind and all that, lmao.

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Originally Posted by SerephinaBlossom

Should of made the relic 660 ilvl and make people actually do savage content better yet make the high end raiders feel rewarded rather then wait to have it replaced,
Do savage or spend 6000 tomes, a massive slap in the face to all people who did the tier. Be proud casual Players you don't deserve it.

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Several things:
did you do savage only for the gear upgrade?
do you think a 5 ilvl reduction would matter?
are you aware ~7months have passed since the last savage tier came out?

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Originally Posted by EgilTheStressedMage

If they played as hard as they cried, they would have all the relics from every expansion and ARR by now.

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Guess it wouldn't shock you to know that as someone who started in ShB and is playing catch up, I'm working on that.

Have all ARR relics, all HW relics, putting Eureka off for now(have completed the storyline though and will grind eventually), and am currently 3/17 Bozja relics.

All while most likely touching more grass/snow than you do since when I log in because I actually play the game instead of staring at my screen drooling.