Housing needs to be account based

I do. You're conflating work with opportunity. These are not the same.

I agree with Stormpeaks on this one. You have no idea what you're talking about.

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Originally Posted by Karious

I agree with Stormpeaks on this one. You have no idea what you're talking about.

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Thank you, I really wish people like that at least got informed a little bit on the subject before they talk nonsense.

I am aware of the logistics involved with becoming a "multi owner." I am aware of the financial investment and the fact that the person doing so has to bid on each plot they obtain. I am also aware of the fact that this is only possible during certain windows of time when plots are first released and then over longer periods of time when they appear. The former is an opportunity that very few players will have access to, especially not new players, and the latter is still one person who already has their plot taking the opportunity to win plots from the thousands of players who would love to own just one. Anyone with access to these resources and these opportunities could be a multi owner, it's not representative of hard work. If you really believe that anyone with that opportunity would just wave it off because they didn't feel like doing the work you're out of your mind.

ugh my brain keeps want to reading the title of the thread as "Housing needs to be account bias" lol

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I am aware of the logistics involved with becoming a "multi owner." I am aware of the financial investment and the fact that the person doing so has to bid on each plot they obtain. I am also aware of the fact that this is only possible during certain windows of time when plots are first released and then over longer periods of time when they appear. The former is an opportunity that very few players will have access to, especially not new players, and the latter is still one person who already has their plot taking the opportunity to win plots from the thousands of players who would love to own just one. Anyone with access to these resources and these opportunities could be a multi owner, it's not representative of hard work. If you really believe that anyone with that opportunity would just wave it off because they didn't feel like doing the work you're out of your mind.

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bro is on dynamis and is still here talking about multiowners taking people's plots when there's literally thousands of plots that no one wants

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bro is on dynamis and is still here talking about multiowners taking people's plots when there's literally thousands of plots that no one wants

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There is like 6+ mediums open here on Lamia at least there was last night. And there is a truck load of smalls open enough I have not bothered to even count them.

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I am aware of the logistics involved with becoming a "multi owner." I am aware of the financial investment and the fact that the person doing so has to bid on each plot they obtain. I am also aware of the fact that this is only possible during certain windows of time when plots are first released and then over longer periods of time when they appear. The former is an opportunity that very few players will have access to, especially not new players, and the latter is still one person who already has their plot taking the opportunity to win plots from the thousands of players who would love to own just one. Anyone with access to these resources and these opportunities could be a multi owner, it's not representative of hard work. If you really believe that anyone with that opportunity would just wave it off because they didn't feel like doing the work you're out of your mind.

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And there are thousands of available plots for those thousands of players trying to get their first house.

The problem is that those houses are not located on worlds where the house hunters exist and the house hunters aren't interested in moving.

That's how the multi-owners are enabled. In most cases, they're buying the houses that other players weren't willing to purchase. If other players had been actively trying to purchase those houses, the multi-owners wouldn't have been able to acquire most of them.

I understand your feeling about wanting available houses reserved for future players but that's in SE's hands. They're capable of doing it. They've already done it on the worlds added to the game since the start of 2022. They all have 6 wards in each housing district that are not available to buyers at this time. That's another 23,000+ plots in addition to all the other plots still available. It's up to SE to decide it's time to make those houses available (which will probably be after the Xbox beta starts depending on how many players it attracts).

It's still not going to do anything unless players who want a house to go the worlds with the available plots instead of staying on the overcrowded worlds where everything has been purchased so buyers are limited to the occasional abandoned plot.

You act as though Dynamis is going to be a ghost town forever. People will eventually populate the server, and the problem will perpetuate because the houses they as individuals could have bid on are now instead being overtaken by shell FCs created by entitled cringelords. You can't pretend that this isn't the end result of your mentality.

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You act as though Dynamis is going to be a ghost town forever. People will eventually populate the server, and the problem will perpetuate because the houses they as individuals could have bid on are now instead being overtaken by shell FCs created by entitled cringelords. You can't pretend that this isn't the end result of your mentality.

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This kind of behavior isn't exactly against the rule nowaday.

They make account for this, they have to create a Lvl 6 FC with at least 30 days old. And they have to make the money to get a house. But even before all those restriction, that mean Millions and Millions of gils to reach something like this.

Is it against the rule ? No. Cause now, player who try to do the same will have to pay One account for at least 2 house. So for 30 house, you have to pay 15 accounts. Which will easily go over 100$ (I'm sorry, I'm not in the US, so I don't know how much it is for you, but in € it will be something like 150€ per month, just to keep up all those house.)

Is it morally correct to do that ? Probably not. Because you are bound to make a whole bunch of player angry.

It's a matter of fact that once you have your "Third" house, you may have an advantage on the crops you try grow against other player who own house from "regular" mean

To put it simply, let's admit that you have 2 Large House (One of your FC, and one on your own). You have 6 farms which contains 8 plots each, for a total of 48 crops. (Counting like this : 8 for Small house, 16 for Medium and 24 for Large).

Now let's take the "worst" case, a player who own every 30 house of a sector, this means, that player will have something like : 20 Small, 6 Medium, 3 Large. For a total of 41 farm, which goes up to 328 Crops available.

A player like that can produce 280 Crops more than you will do everyday (Let's assume you make the same crops).

In your eyes, and pretty much the rest of the community, this will be unfair. But the player who bought all those house will say "I did a whole bunch of effort to get there", and won't see that as a problem.

Again, those guys didn't cheat (Or at least, we have to prove it, so Innocent until proven Guilty). That's sad, but that's how it is. And unless Square Enix is really going to track all of those player down and compensate for their loss, nothing will change. (I'm pretty sure they won't do it anyway.)

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You act as though Dynamis is going to be a ghost town forever. People will eventually populate the server, and the problem will perpetuate because the houses they as individuals could have bid on are now instead being overtaken by shell FCs created by entitled cringelords. You can't pretend that this isn't the end result of your mentality.

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I'm looking back at when SE added other new worlds in the past. They don't become populated overnight. By the time they do become populated, SE may have added new wards to all worlds.

Or maybe SE will break down and finally give us the instanced housing system we need (and which is not the one we already have - apartments). If that happens, it won't matter how many houses a player owns because all other players will be able to do the same if they choose while no one is blocked from getting a house.

It's not my mentality creating the problem. It's SE's poor housing design that has.

Detach workshops and gardens from housing and you've removed 80% of the reason to be a multi-house owner. Use a proper instanced housing system instead of the static ward mess and you've removed another 15% (profit through reselling disappears, avoiding Paissa houses and other eyesores erected by neighbors is easily accomplished). There will still be those that want multiple because they love to decorate and redecorate but that would no longer impact the ability of others to get a house.

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Originally Posted by TabrisOmbrelame

This kind of behavior isn't exactly against the rule nowaday.

They make account for this, they have to create a Lvl 6 FC with at least 30 days old. And they have to make the money to get a house. But even before all those restriction, that mean Millions and Millions of gils to reach something like this.

Is it against the rule ? No. Cause now, player who try to do the same will have to pay One account for at least 2 house. So for 30 house, you have to pay 15 accounts. Which will easily go over 100$ (I'm sorry, I'm not in the US, so I don't know how much it is for you, but in € it will be something like 150€ per month, just to keep up all those house.)

Is it morally correct to do that ? Probably not. Because you are bound to make a whole bunch of player angry.

It's a matter of fact that once you have your "Third" house, you may have an advantage on the crops you try grow against other player who own house from "regular" mean

To put it simply, let's admit that you have 2 Large House (One of your FC, and one on your own). You have 6 farms which contains 8 plots each, for a total of 48 crops. (Counting like this : 8 for Small house, 16 for Medium and 24 for Large).

Now let's take the "worst" case, a player who own every 30 house of a sector, this means, that player will have something like : 20 Small, 6 Medium, 3 Large. For a total of 41 farm, which goes up to 328 Crops available.

A player like that can produce 280 Crops more than you will do everyday (Let's assume you make the same crops).

In your eyes, and pretty much the rest of the community, this will be unfair. But the player who bought all those house will say "I did a whole bunch of effort to get there", and won't see that as a problem.

Again, those guys didn't cheat (Or at least, we have to prove it, so Innocent until proven Guilty). That's sad, but that's how it is. And unless Square Enix is really going to track all of those player down and compensate for their loss, nothing will change. (I'm pretty sure they won't do it anyway.)

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Certainly it's not against the ToS. I'm not a lawyer, I'm not interested in whether this is against the rules or not, and I am aware of the logistics of being a multi owner. I find the behavior reprehensible, selfish, and I advocate for a system to remove this behavior. It's as simple as that.

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Originally Posted by NekoMataMata

I don't agree with your methods, but it is an issue. People who think being able to own multiple personals across their account(s) are insane. The game wasn't made for that. The devs didn't intend that.

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I know everyone has to start posting somewhere, but it reflects poorly when you literally made an account to insult someone's posts and ideas, especially when said person isn't a troll or bad actor.

Yeah, they're not the greatest ideas, I don't like half of them either, but you don't see me letting the OP live in my head rent free and posting purely to insult them.

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Re-read and saw this. I understand the issue as I failed to quote. My grievance isn't with OP, it was with Stormpeaks. I have little interest in being diplomatic with them here.

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Re-read and saw this. I understand the issue as I failed to quote. My grievance isn't with OP, it was with Stormpeaks. I have little interest in being diplomatic with them here.

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Likewise buddy, dont you worry I'm good with my houses while you're out here complaining.

But thank you for your opinion bud

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I find the behavior reprehensible, selfish, and I advocate for a system to remove this behavior. It's as simple as that.

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Reprehensible : If it's not in the ToS, then it's not. This cannot be reprehensible by any sanction. It sure isn't ethic, but since it isn't against the rule, you can't do anything about it.
Selfish : Yes, completely. Doing this render unable several player to own a house. On the entire playerbase it doesn't amount at "much" but it's still selfish towards potential owners which can be counted in the two or three digit in total.

All of this housing stuff is so poorly made that everyone is technically right on their own. I'm going to stay into a neutral aspect for this subject tho.

Again, It's Selfish, but not against the rules.

Agreed, this would also slow down sub farm RMTers

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You act as though Dynamis is going to be a ghost town forever. People will eventually populate the server, and the problem will perpetuate because the houses they as individuals could have bid on are now instead being overtaken by shell FCs created by entitled cringelords. You can't pretend that this isn't the end result of your mentality.

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What are you talking about lol? Omega server was added in 2017 and it has 800+ houses available, in line with the oldest EU servers. Spriggan was added in 2019 and it has 1300+ houses. Phantom, added in 2022, has 3800+ houses. That means it takes roughly 6 years for a server to be as populated as the other servers in the same region.

If you want an NA example, your server Maduin was added in 2022 and it has 3600+ plots available, similar to Phantom. It's going to take multiple years before the population will rival that of the oldest NA servers, especially now that people are moving away from Dynamis. Moreover, Dynamis has another 4 new servers planned.

You want those empty plots to sit unused for 3 expansions? Come on.

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Originally Posted by Stormpeaks

Likewise buddy, dont you worry I'm good with my houses while you're out here complaining.

But thank you for your opinion bud

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Barf. I'm more than happy with my one large, and I'd like OP to be able to get one as well.

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Originally Posted by Stormpeaks

Exactly this lol.

There's no problem, if you care about housing dynamis is open, if you don't want to sacrifice the convenience of your own world then you'll have to bid like everyone else., said bluntly, get in line.

Dc travel exists, there's no reason not to move if you really want a house.

This "I dont have it so take it away from everyone else" attitude needs to stop

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There is a problem. Just because YOU say there isn't one doesn't mean there isn't one. It just means you don't care, and of course you don't care because it'd impact the housing monopoly you have. It's only natural you'd in bad faith claim there isn't a problem because you are apart of the problem.
Whenever a housing thread is made, you are there, every single time, to pretend there isn't a problem because you don't want SE taking what you got going back.

:confused: I have 1 personal 1 FC house...I dont get why someone would want more then that number on one world. I guess I am not getting the allure of owning mulitple homes on a single world.

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There is a problem. Just because YOU say there isn't one doesn't mean there isn't one. It just means you don't care, and of course you don't care because it'd impact the housing monopoly you have. It's only natural you'd in bad faith claim there isn't a problem because you are apart of the problem.
Whenever a housing thread is made, you are there, every single time, to pretend there isn't a problem because you don't want SE taking what you got going back.

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Weird how I changed from EU to NA and managed to get multiple houses from scratch.

It's almost like anybody can do it. So much for a "big problem"

Also I ain't scared of losing what I have, I won it fair and square, I have nothing to be scared of

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Originally Posted by Stormpeaks

Weird how I changed from EU to NA and managed to get multiple houses from scratch.

It's almost like anybody can do it. So much for a "big problem"

Also I ain't scared of losing what I have, I won it fair and square, I have nothing to be scared of

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One house on one account of how many characters you own? But please go on about your amazing bravery. It will surely set this amazing standard you very much believe in.

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Originally Posted by Bonoki

There is a problem. Just because YOU say there isn't one doesn't mean there isn't one. It just means you don't care, and of course you don't care because it'd impact the housing monopoly you have. It's only natural you'd in bad faith claim there isn't a problem because you are apart of the problem.
Whenever a housing thread is made, you are there, every single time, to pretend there isn't a problem because you don't want SE taking what you got going back.

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Based. Glad someone else finally said it.

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One house on one account of how many characters you own? But please go on about your amazing bravery. It will surely set this amazing standard you very much believe in.

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Who said one house ?

Also there are no "standards", I play for my own fun, and I do what I have fun doing. It's okay to disagree though.

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Who said one house ?

Also there are no "standards", I play for my own fun, and I do what I have fun doing. It's okay to disagree though.

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"I eat every slice of cake that was laid out for everyone at the function. There will theoretically be more cake somewhere else and I *can* eat it all so I'm going to because that's what I think is fun. It's okay to disagree though."

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Based. Glad someone else finally said it.

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Other people have been saying it, but certain individuals like to cover their ears and pretend it's closeted jealousy than acknowledging that some people possess the capacity to see beyond their own nose. It's a hilariously selfish attitude to have, and it's inevitably the same people every time.

I don't care if people have a ton of houses, but I do care that individuals are able to horde many houses with a single account, when houses are a limited resource.

However, I can't blame the players for this, it would be trivial to stop, but SE obviously doesn't care enough to stop it. I'm not convinced they think there's anything wrong with the system. It's easy to blame people like Stormy, but she's supporting the game more than I do with her accounts, and she's not breaking any rules by doing what she does.

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I don't care if people have a ton of houses, but I do care that individuals are able to horde many houses with a single account, when houses are a limited resource.

However, I can't blame the players for this, it would be trivial to stop, but SE obviously doesn't care enough to stop it. I'm not convinced they think there's anything wrong with the system. It's easy to blame people like Stormy, but she's supporting the game more than I do with her accounts, and she's not breaking any rules by doing what she does.

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Two things can be true at the same time. I dislike this take as it dissolves player's responsibility for their actions. We don't know what SE can or can't do about this situation clearly, we just know whatever it is they haven't done it. Yet.

What we *can* know is that players like Stormy are taking advantage of the situation to the detriment of others, and that is 100% their fault for doing so. Doubly so when they actively advocate for this status quo in every single housing thread. A bad actor is not somehow less responsible for their actions by the presence of an enabler.

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Two things can be true at the same time. I dislike this take as it dissolves player's responsibility for their actions. We don't know what SE can or can't do about this situation clearly, we just know whatever it is they haven't done it. Yet.

What we *can* know is that players like Stormy are taking advantage of the situation to the detriment of others, and that is 100% their fault for doing so. Doubly so when they actively advocate for this status quo in every single housing thread. A bad actor is not somehow less responsible for their actions by the presence of an enabler.

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I really wonder if you and I speak the same language.

I will repeat it one more time.

There are multiple thousands plots open on Dynamis as of today. I can't "take advantage" of something that people don't want. There is no such thing.

And as Boblawblah mentioned, I have a lot of accounts that I pay for to get what I have, the more effort and investment you put in something, the more results you get, that's life.

But you can't come out here and start telling me I am taking the opportunity of getting a house away from people while there's multiple thousands of open plots, you just can't at least not without some massive bad faith (and also a big touch of jealousy)

If I was on older NA worlds I would agree, but considering I am on Dynamis, yall are arguing on a non issue. With thousands of plots open, there is no harm done, but feel free to pretend it's doing harm if it makes you feel better because the "big bad multiowners" are taking the small houses that no one wants because they are not in the best locations and are still sitting empty every week with 0 bids.

Yall are literally using me to target your hate of multiowners which is actually laughable considering this is my hobby in this game and also my main activity, I dont just leave my houses empty, I decorate every single one of them (inside and out) with different themes and make them look as good as I can so they fit the neighborhood, unlike other multiowners who leave the house completely empty and don't even bother to decorate anything so it just sits there.

But please by all means, do continue and attack one of the only good ones that actually cares about housing and not only the Gil side of it, ill just tell you one thing
it doesnt make you the "good person" you think you are.

That was my last response to you two attacking me, I ain't gonna tolerate anymore disrespect and then try and be nice responding and giving my stance defending it to then get attacked even more. Yall don't like it ? Take it to SE. I am sure they will feel really bad about the almost 200€ per month I pay for this game with my subscriptions.

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I really wonder if you and I speak the same language.

I will repeat it one more time.

There are multiple thousands plots open on Dynamis as of today. I can't "take advantage" of something that people don't want. There is no such thing.

And as Boblawblah mentioned, I have a lot of accounts that I pay for to get what I have, the more effort and investment you put in something, the more results you get, that's life.

But you can't come out here and start telling me I am taking the opportunity of getting a house away from people while there's multiple thousands of open plots, you just can't at least not without some massive bad faith (and also a big touch of jealousy)

If I was on older NA worlds I would agree, but considering I am on Dynamis, yall are arguing on a non issue. With thousands of plots open, there is no harm done, but feel free to pretend it's doing harm if it makes you feel better because the "big bad multiowners" are taking the small houses that no one wants because they are not in the best locations and are still sitting empty every week with 0 bids.

Yall are literally using me to target your hate of multiowners which is actually laughable considering this is my hobby in this game and also my main activity, I dont just leave my houses empty, I decorate every single one of them (inside and out) with different themes and make them look as good as I can so they fit the neighborhood, unlike other multiowners who leave the house completely empty and don't even bother to decorate anything so it just sits there.

But please by all means, do continue and attack one of the only good ones that actually cares about housing and not only the Gil side of it, ill just tell you one thing
it doesnt make you the "good person" you think you are.

That was my last response to you two attacking me, I ain't gonna tolerate anymore disrespect and then try and be nice responding and giving my stance defending it to then get attacked even more. Yall don't like it ? Take it to SE. I am sure they will feel really bad about the almost 200€ per month I pay for this game with my subscriptions.

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*disrespects u*

Bro really got all his friends in here to back him up lmao. There's no issue with housing. It works as intended, even if that intention is to work poorly. I've got three houses on Balmung and that's no small feat. Us folks that own multiple houses aren't worried about them getting taken away because we're grandfathered in. I worked my butt off to earn these three homes, and I'm finally at the point where I've been making money off submarines. People who want submarines detached from FC houses have no idea the effort that goes into acquiring everything necessary to get submarines profitable. Every time there's a housing thread its always people jealous and angry at those who have what they don't have so they cope and create mental gymnastics as to why people like me shouldn't be allowed to have what I worked for.

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Bro really got all his friends in here to back him up lmao. There's no issue with housing. It works as intended, even if that intention is to work poorly. I've got three houses on Balmung and that's no small feat. Us folks that own multiple houses aren't worried about them getting taken away because we're grandfathered in. I worked my butt off to earn these three homes, and I'm finally at the point where I've been making money off submarines. People who want submarines detached from FC houses have no idea the effort that goes into acquiring everything necessary to get submarines profitable. Every time there's a housing thread its always people jealous and angry at those who have what they don't have so they cope and create mental gymnastics as to why people like me shouldn't be allowed to have what I worked for.

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Basically yeah, that's why I actually stopped responding to them, it aint worth it

I'll say this in a childish way because it applies very well to them

I'll keep having fun with my houses, decorate them, make a nice gil bank while they sit there complaining without a house or with one house only, maybe 2 at most.

The more effort you put in, the more you get, that's the principle of life, because this is a video game doesnt change anything to that.

Spend the 3 entire days like I did just to level the characters to 25 to make FCs, then spend another multiple days to just level up the rank on all of them, then wait the one month to bid, then wait 4 months of DAILY submarines to level them to 85 so you can finally make gil out of them, and dont forget that making new fcs is monthly, once one goes, it's time for a new one, its a constant workflow if you want to have a decent income, there's no breaks, and you have to keep investing gil, investing gil, investing gil, and investing more gil, before you even get a single cent out of it.

Oh and also, pay the almost 200€ I pay in subs.

Any volunteers ?

Didnt think so

but those facts aside thank you Karious, I actually mean it, the constant attacking was actually out of hands lol.

are you the one that owns 100+ of FC's?

I think the general complaint of people without houses is that compared to old players, their sub's worth of money is not worth the same same opportunities as old players or multiowners.
If you want M or L, you will have to pay 200 milion gil or more. And we know how little self control gamers have, they resort to RMT to finally obtain house to finally fit into the crowd.

your argument is fair, as it probably takes money, time and effort to actually get to some results.
what I don't agree with, is putting equation between life and games with "that's life" excuse.

If we take the example into the extreme, (maybe it was not far from truth back then before adding new worlds), someone paying sub fee he had no opportunity to participate in housing at all because people that pay the same fee owned hundreds of houses.

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Basically yeah, that's why I actually stopped responding to them, it aint worth it

I'll say this in a childish way because it applies very well to them

I'll keep having fun with my houses, decorate them, make a nice gil bank while they sit there complaining without a house or with one house only, maybe 2 at most.

The more effort you put in, the more you get, that's the principle of life, because this is a video game doesnt change anything to that.

Spend the 3 entire days like I did just to level the characters to 25 to make FCs, then spend another multiple days to just level up the rank on all of them, then wait the one month to bid, then wait 4 months of DAILY submarines to level them to 85 so you can finally make gil out of them, and dont forget that making new fcs is monthly, once one goes, it's time for a new one, its a constant workflow if you want to have a decent income, there's no breaks, and you have to keep investing gil, investing gil, investing gil, and investing more gil, before you even get a single cent out of it.

Oh and also, pay the almost 200€ I pay in subs.

Any volunteers ?

Didnt think so

but those facts aside thank you Karious, I actually mean it, the constant attacking was actually out of hands lol.

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Cute lil echochamber you've got going there. Reality check: a monumental effort and financial investment to do something selfish to the detriment of others doesn't make it any less crap of you to do. It reflects even worse on your character for being so invested in doing that thing and by no means justifies your actions. I could never be jealous of someone like you, "multi-owners" are so delusional despite being such a reviled portion of the community that many go as far as to conceal their identities just to avoid the well-deserved backlash their actions result in.

Also, you just backpedaled in your previous post and admitted that you recognize this is a problem with the older NA servers, only to double back and commiserate with someone who owns multiple houses on Balmung. Yeah, you're not inconsistent at all lmao.

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are you the one that owns 100+ of FC's?

I think the general complaint of people without houses is that compared to old players, their sub's worth of money is not worth the same same opportunities as old players or multiowners.
If you want M or L, you will have to pay 200 milion gil or more. And we know how little self control gamers have, they resort to RMT to finally obtain house to finally fit into the crowd.

your argument is fair, as it probably takes money, time and effort to actually get to some results.
what I don't agree with, is putting equation between life and games with "that's life" excuse.

If we take the example into the extreme, (maybe it was not far from truth back then before adding new worlds), someone paying sub fee he had no opportunity to participate in housing at all because people that pay the same fee owned hundreds of houses.

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Except those people are rare on old worlds, yall really need to stop pretending there's a million multiowners lol, there aren't hundreds of multiowners on balmung for example or on Mateus, there might be a few yeah but even they can't get much because in the end their bid is worth the same as anyone else's, that's why multiowners moved to Dynamis. And even with those big bad multiowners, there's still thousands of plots open, so obviously on dynamis it's a non issue. And tbf on old worlds as well, if it wasn't a multiowner owning that house, big chance it wouldn't be the person complaining either considering the amount of bidders even on small plots.

More effort -> more investment -> more results.

That simple.

Also let's not forget that 99% of multiowners are using fc plots, not personal plots, so it has no impact on personal buyers, or at least used to until SE decided it was a good idea to create unrestricted wards for both personal and fc. That one is on SE, it was a terrible idea.

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Also let's not forget that 99% of multiowners are using fc plots, not personal plots, so it has no impact on personal buyers, or at least used to until SE decided it was a good idea to create unrestricted wards for both personal and fc. That one is on SE, it was a terrible idea.

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That's right, just keep shifting the responsibility of your actions to your enabler. :^)

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If you want M or L, you will have to pay 200 milion gil or more. And we know how little self control gamers have, they resort to RMT to finally obtain house to finally fit into the crowd.

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You really don't have to. You can wait for the next housing release like most old timers did. Most of us had a small house for years and we had to be patient too. If new players are looking for an instant L mansion, then they are expecting more for their subscription than old players got.

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Originally Posted by Reinha

You really don't have to. You can wait for the next housing release like most old timers did. Most of us had a small house for years and we had to be patient too. If new players are looking for an instant L mansion, then they are expecting more for their subscription than old players got.

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"I suffered in the past so I want future generations to suffer so I'm gonna hoard their opportunities with my generational wealth."

Ok boomer

Honestly the only reason why I would want an account based housing is because I'd like to have FULL access to my main's one and only private estate via all my created alts within the same DC.

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Originally Posted by Karious

Bro really got all his friends in here to back him up lmao. There's no issue with housing. It works as intended, even if that intention is to work poorly. I've got three houses on Balmung and that's no small feat. Us folks that own multiple houses aren't worried about them getting taken away because we're grandfathered in. I worked my butt off to earn these three homes, and I'm finally at the point where I've been making money off submarines. People who want submarines detached from FC houses have no idea the effort that goes into acquiring everything necessary to get submarines profitable. Every time there's a housing thread its always people jealous and angry at those who have what they don't have so they cope and create mental gymnastics as to why people like me shouldn't be allowed to have what I worked for.

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How do you know it's working as intended? Has YoshiP or any of the other developers issued a statement describing what their expectations for the system are?

That the lottery and other changes have been made is a very good sign that the system is not working as intended because players are using the system in ways they didn't expect.

I know how much effort it takes to get subs bringing in gil. I've been doing it for various FCs my characters belong to since mid Stormblood when one of my alts become a FC leader after everyone else had stopped playing.

Detaching workshops from housing doesn't mean you have to lose your workshop progress any more than FC members still lose their FC rooms if the FC wants to change the location of the FC house. All it would mean would be entering the workshop through a location other than the FC house and that FCs could have their workshops without having to purchase a house first. FCs currently lack a meaningful way to make gil to even purchase their house. Getting the initial start on a workshop costs much less than even a small house (500k for the workshop plus another couple of hundred thousand to make the first vessel depending on what materials FC members choose to gather/craft on their own and donate.

That you're trying to turn it into a big deal shows you're engaging in some mental gymnastics yourself.

I wonder how you got those 3 houses on Balmung. Did you win each legitimately through the lottery or were you buying FC houses up for sale to the highest bidder? Perhaps you inherited one like my alt did or you might have been one of the prolific click bot users that acquired those houses through botting before the lottery went into effect.

It seems like every time there's a housing thread, some abusing the system outside of the spirit of the rules get upset and angry that others would like to see a system implemented that allowed every player to own multiple houses and workshops just like you currently do. The current system doesn't allow that.

What happens in the future is up to SE. All players can do is to state their desires and wait.